Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On 11/20/08, Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 08:25:54AM +0100, Olivier wrote: 2008/11/17 Philipp Kempgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tilghman Lesher schrieb: On Thursday 13 November 2008 08:16:42 Klaus Darilion wrote: Is there somewhere a statement from Digium how long they will support Asterisk 1.4? 0 There is no statement, because we haven't even discussed when the EOL for 1.4 will be reached. Certainly that means it won't happen for at least the next 60 days, but beyond that, I really don't know. For the average non-techie user who does not want to compile themselves that may sound funny (if not scary). When Debian Lenny (featuring Asterisk 1.4) is finally going to be released that version might not even be supported any more. I think to a large extend, Asterisk is not to be considered as binary distributed at all, as many hardware it supports is not directly managed by kernel team. Interesting consideration. Debian Etch and RHEL5 are based on kernel 2.6.18, but support quite a few hardware devices not included in that kernel. If this issue bothers you, please help test the alternative timing mechanism support now included in trunk. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir I still compile and install 1.2 for the most part, for call centers and large systems. The few 1.4 installs that I have done have been for medium sized PBXs, say 50-70 phones/users and they have been trouble free for the most part. Safe_asterisk may make some troubles transparent. I am not really sure what 1.4 has over 1.2 for the average PBX installation. Then you have the OpenPBX guys who forked 1.2, I know they have added functionality to 1.2, but the following puts me off. Perhaps vaporware, perhaps not, it all relies on the devs. You also have people like Matt Florell who have continued to add functionality to 1.2 but since Digium won't take them, or the dev doesn't want to sign over their first born, they are hard to come by but certainly out there. 1.4 may follow the same path, being forked. 1.6 is not on my radar. -- Thanks, Steve Totaro +18887771888 (Toll Free) +12409381212 (Cell) +12024369784 (Skype) Hello, We really just maintain a set of patches for 1.2 (just updated waitforsilence a couple weeks ago in fact) and we regularly install 1.2.30.2 in call center setups. It is rock solid and extremely proven in high-call-volume situations. We have started installing 1.4.21.2 on some systems that are not high load as well (1.4.22 has some strange issues with it we have noticed) because we do have clients requesting to use 1.4 for some of the nicer PBX functionality that it has as well as better SIP support. We test 1.6 periodically and we are very much looking forward to some of the great new features of it, but it crashes very quickly when trying to use it in call center situations. just keep in mind that in my opinion the 1.4 tree did not become usable until 1.4.18 when most of the major bugs were finally fixed. MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On Friday 21 November 2008 09:42:12 Matt Florell wrote: On 11/20/08, Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You also have people like Matt Florell who have continued to add functionality to 1.2 but since Digium won't take them, or the dev doesn't want to sign over their first born, they are hard to come by but certainly out there. We really just maintain a set of patches for 1.2 (just updated waitforsilence a couple weeks ago in fact) and we regularly install 1.2.30.2 in call center setups. It is rock solid and extremely proven in high-call-volume situations. We have started installing 1.4.21.2 on some systems that are not high load as well (1.4.22 has some strange issues with it we have noticed) because we do have clients requesting to use 1.4 for some of the nicer PBX functionality that it has as well as better SIP support. We test 1.6 periodically and we are very much looking forward to some of the great new features of it, but it crashes very quickly when trying to use it in call center situations. just keep in mind that in my opinion the 1.4 tree did not become usable until 1.4.18 when most of the major bugs were finally fixed. Are you reporting these crashes in 1.6? I'd like to know where they are, so we can track them down and fix them. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On 11/21/08, Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 21 November 2008 09:42:12 Matt Florell wrote: On 11/20/08, Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You also have people like Matt Florell who have continued to add functionality to 1.2 but since Digium won't take them, or the dev doesn't want to sign over their first born, they are hard to come by but certainly out there. We really just maintain a set of patches for 1.2 (just updated waitforsilence a couple weeks ago in fact) and we regularly install 1.2.30.2 in call center setups. It is rock solid and extremely proven in high-call-volume situations. We have started installing 1.4.21.2 on some systems that are not high load as well (1.4.22 has some strange issues with it we have noticed) because we do have clients requesting to use 1.4 for some of the nicer PBX functionality that it has as well as better SIP support. We test 1.6 periodically and we are very much looking forward to some of the great new features of it, but it crashes very quickly when trying to use it in call center situations. just keep in mind that in my opinion the 1.4 tree did not become usable until 1.4.18 when most of the major bugs were finally fixed. Are you reporting these crashes in 1.6? I'd like to know where they are, so we can track them down and fix them. By the time we get around to testing for any length of time there is always another version released(including RCs and betas), we haven't tested on the most recent 1.6 release and we don't really have the resources to do intense debugging and bug reporting on 1.6 anytime in the near future. We have tested two of the original beta releases as well as the first 1.6.0.1 RC and they all had crash problems. We have also had issues adjusting to using Dahdi on 1.6 since it is manditory and you cannot use zaptel as you can with 1.4. I am hoping to set up a system over the Holidays that I will only put 1.6 on that I will be able to do bug testing on, but from our experience it is not easy to move from 1.2/1.4 over to 1.6 and back again in a timely manner because of all of the major changes made to Asterisk between 1.4 and 1.6. MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/20/08, Steve Totaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 08:25:54AM +0100, Olivier wrote: 2008/11/17 Philipp Kempgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tilghman Lesher schrieb: On Thursday 13 November 2008 08:16:42 Klaus Darilion wrote: Is there somewhere a statement from Digium how long they will support Asterisk 1.4? 0 There is no statement, because we haven't even discussed when the EOL for 1.4 will be reached. Certainly that means it won't happen for at least the next 60 days, but beyond that, I really don't know. For the average non-techie user who does not want to compile themselves that may sound funny (if not scary). When Debian Lenny (featuring Asterisk 1.4) is finally going to be released that version might not even be supported any more. I think to a large extend, Asterisk is not to be considered as binary distributed at all, as many hardware it supports is not directly managed by kernel team. Interesting consideration. Debian Etch and RHEL5 are based on kernel 2.6.18, but support quite a few hardware devices not included in that kernel. If this issue bothers you, please help test the alternative timing mechanism support now included in trunk. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir I still compile and install 1.2 for the most part, for call centers and large systems. The few 1.4 installs that I have done have been for medium sized PBXs, say 50-70 phones/users and they have been trouble free for the most part. Safe_asterisk may make some troubles transparent. I am not really sure what 1.4 has over 1.2 for the average PBX installation. Then you have the OpenPBX guys who forked 1.2, I know they have added functionality to 1.2, but the following puts me off. Perhaps vaporware, perhaps not, it all relies on the devs. You also have people like Matt Florell who have continued to add functionality to 1.2 but since Digium won't take them, or the dev doesn't want to sign over their first born, they are hard to come by but certainly out there. 1.4 may follow the same path, being forked. 1.6 is not on my radar. -- Thanks, Steve Totaro +18887771888 (Toll Free) +12409381212 (Cell) +12024369784 (Skype) Hello, We really just maintain a set of patches for 1.2 (just updated waitforsilence a couple weeks ago in fact) and we regularly install 1.2.30.2 in call center setups. It is rock solid and extremely proven in high-call-volume situations. We have started installing 1.4.21.2 on some systems that are not high load as well (1.4.22 has some strange issues with it we have noticed) because we do have clients requesting to use 1.4 for some of the nicer PBX functionality that it has as well as better SIP support. We test 1.6 periodically and we are very much looking forward to some of the great new features of it, but it crashes very quickly when trying to use it in call center situations. just keep in mind that in my opinion the 1.4 tree did not become usable until 1.4.18 when most of the major bugs were finally fixed. MATT--- As a fellow call center engineerimplementer I completely agree with Matt's opinion. -- Thanks, Steve Totaro +18887771888 (Toll Free) +12409381212 (Cell) +12024369784 (Skype) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just keep in mind that in my opinion the 1.4 tree did not become usable until 1.4.18 when most of the major bugs were finally fixed. The longer you drag out the adoption curve, the longer it will take for 1.6 to catch up to that state. -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On 11/21/08, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Matt Florell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just keep in mind that in my opinion the 1.4 tree did not become usable until 1.4.18 when most of the major bugs were finally fixed. The longer you drag out the adoption curve, the longer it will take for 1.6 to catch up to that state. Alex Balashov We tried using 1.4 many times, and posted many bugs to the tracker. Some of those bugs were ignored because I was told that I posted too much information. We tried using most of the 1.4 releases and we did post our results, even going as far as posting on the dev list and in IRC, and I was always ignored or not gotten back to. I even offered several times to donate my time to set up a system at Digium to reproduce these bugs on demand and still had noone would take up my offer. I talked to several VPs at Digium in-person and even Mark and was always referred to someone else and nothing was ever done about it. Then after 1.4.17 was released is when bug fixing became a higher priority and they started implementing the release-cantidate process, and myself and many others participated in that process and 1.4.18 went through several RCs with many many bug fixes and a lot of testing, and 1.4.18 was the first fully tested release of the 1.4 tree. As for 1.6, we haven't had anywhere near the time we did with 1.4 to try to get it working for us, and there is a much steeper upgrade path from 1.4 to 1.6 than there was between 1.4 and 1.6 which causes a lot of other small issues in testing and implementation. Hopefully in the next month or so we will have the time to spend on this. MATT--- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 08:25:54AM +0100, Olivier wrote: 2008/11/17 Philipp Kempgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tilghman Lesher schrieb: On Thursday 13 November 2008 08:16:42 Klaus Darilion wrote: Is there somewhere a statement from Digium how long they will support Asterisk 1.4? There is no statement, because we haven't even discussed when the EOL for 1.4 will be reached. Certainly that means it won't happen for at least the next 60 days, but beyond that, I really don't know. For the average non-techie user who does not want to compile themselves that may sound funny (if not scary). When Debian Lenny (featuring Asterisk 1.4) is finally going to be released that version might not even be supported any more. I think to a large extend, Asterisk is not to be considered as binary distributed at all, as many hardware it supports is not directly managed by kernel team. Interesting consideration. Debian Etch and RHEL5 are based on kernel 2.6.18, but support quite a few hardware devices not included in that kernel. If this issue bothers you, please help test the alternative timing mechanism support now included in trunk. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 08:25:54AM +0100, Olivier wrote: 2008/11/17 Philipp Kempgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tilghman Lesher schrieb: On Thursday 13 November 2008 08:16:42 Klaus Darilion wrote: Is there somewhere a statement from Digium how long they will support Asterisk 1.4? 0 There is no statement, because we haven't even discussed when the EOL for 1.4 will be reached. Certainly that means it won't happen for at least the next 60 days, but beyond that, I really don't know. For the average non-techie user who does not want to compile themselves that may sound funny (if not scary). When Debian Lenny (featuring Asterisk 1.4) is finally going to be released that version might not even be supported any more. I think to a large extend, Asterisk is not to be considered as binary distributed at all, as many hardware it supports is not directly managed by kernel team. Interesting consideration. Debian Etch and RHEL5 are based on kernel 2.6.18, but support quite a few hardware devices not included in that kernel. If this issue bothers you, please help test the alternative timing mechanism support now included in trunk. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir I still compile and install 1.2 for the most part, for call centers and large systems. The few 1.4 installs that I have done have been for medium sized PBXs, say 50-70 phones/users and they have been trouble free for the most part. Safe_asterisk may make some troubles transparent. I am not really sure what 1.4 has over 1.2 for the average PBX installation. Then you have the OpenPBX guys who forked 1.2, I know they have added functionality to 1.2, but the following puts me off. Perhaps vaporware, perhaps not, it all relies on the devs. You also have people like Matt Florell who have continued to add functionality to 1.2 but since Digium won't take them, or the dev doesn't want to sign over their first born, they are hard to come by but certainly out there. 1.4 may follow the same path, being forked. 1.6 is not on my radar. -- Thanks, Steve Totaro +18887771888 (Toll Free) +12409381212 (Cell) +12024369784 (Skype) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
2008/11/17 Philipp Kempgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tilghman Lesher schrieb: On Thursday 13 November 2008 08:16:42 Klaus Darilion wrote: Is there somewhere a statement from Digium how long they will support Asterisk 1.4? There is no statement, because we haven't even discussed when the EOL for 1.4 will be reached. Certainly that means it won't happen for at least the next 60 days, but beyond that, I really don't know. For the average non-techie user who does not want to compile themselves that may sound funny (if not scary). When Debian Lenny (featuring Asterisk 1.4) is finally going to be released that version might not even be supported any more. I think to a large extend, Asterisk is not to be considered as binary distributed at all, as many hardware it supports is not directly managed by kernel team. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 07:46:10PM +0100, Philipp Kempgen wrote: Tilghman Lesher schrieb: On Thursday 13 November 2008 08:16:42 Klaus Darilion wrote: Is there somewhere a statement from Digium how long they will support Asterisk 1.4? There is no statement, because we haven't even discussed when the EOL for 1.4 will be reached. Certainly that means it won't happen for at least the next 60 days, but beyond that, I really don't know. For the average non-techie user who does not want to compile themselves that may sound funny (if not scary). When Debian Lenny (featuring Asterisk 1.4) is finally going to be released that version might not even be supported any more. Debian Lenny was frozen at July, and thus had 1.4.21.2 . Does that indicate Debian (don't really know about other distros) is too slow? Debian freezes Asterisk for 1.5-2 years. Does it mean the development goes too fast? When you install a PBX, do you keep it up-to-date with latest version of Asterisk? OR do you freeze it at some point? Is it a problem with VoIP in general? Does it mean there is no point for a distro to provide VoIP packages because if you want roughly the version everybody else is using you will have to compile it anyway? We're already working on 1.6 packages (they're basically working, but I have to figure out a saner way with the configuration files). One potential way is to use backports. We try to make sure that the Asterisk packages are at always buildable on the Stable platform (through the backport script). This is far from providing QA, but at least it reduces the barrier of participation for others. I don't have good answers here. It's also not clear to me how things will work out with the 1.6.x branches. Those seem to be modeled after the kernel, but that model of the Linux kernel works well because most people use distor kernel (which means that the distros do most of the QA), and those distributions actively participate in the development process and push fixes upstream. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
Tilghman Lesher schrieb: On Thursday 13 November 2008 08:16:42 Klaus Darilion wrote: Is there somewhere a statement from Digium how long they will support Asterisk 1.4? There is no statement, because we haven't even discussed when the EOL for 1.4 will be reached. Certainly that means it won't happen for at least the next 60 days, but beyond that, I really don't know. For the average non-techie user who does not want to compile themselves that may sound funny (if not scary). When Debian Lenny (featuring Asterisk 1.4) is finally going to be released that version might not even be supported any more. Does that indicate Debian (don't really know about other distros) is too slow? Does it mean the development goes too fast? Is it a problem with VoIP in general? Does it mean there is no point for a distro to provide VoIP packages because if you want roughly the version everybody else is using you will have to compile it anyway? Philipp Kempgen -- http://www.das-asterisk-buch.de - http://www.the-asterisk-book.com Amooma GmbH - Bachstr. 126 - 56566 Neuwied - http://www.amooma.de Geschäftsführer: Stefan Wintermeyer, Handelsregister: Neuwied B14998 -- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On Monday 17 November 2008 12:46:10 pm Philipp Kempgen wrote: Tilghman Lesher schrieb: On Thursday 13 November 2008 08:16:42 Klaus Darilion wrote: Is there somewhere a statement from Digium how long they will support Asterisk 1.4? There is no statement, because we haven't even discussed when the EOL for 1.4 will be reached. Certainly that means it won't happen for at least the next 60 days, but beyond that, I really don't know. For the average non-techie user who does not want to compile themselves that may sound funny (if not scary). When Debian Lenny (featuring Asterisk 1.4) is finally going to be released that version might not even be supported any more. Do you have a firm release date for Debian Lenny? I sure don't. Do you have a guarantee from Debian that Lenny will even be released? No, you don't have that, either. With a little bit of spin, you can make Debian's release policy sound really, really awful. That said, I'm sure Debian will release Lenny when it's ready, which is exactly the same policy that we have for new Asterisk releases. We release when it's ready; doesn't sound so bad, now, does it? Similarly, we will probably end-of-life 1.4 when a majority of users make the jump to 1.6. I can't really say for sure, though, as again, that decision has not yet been made. Does that indicate Debian (don't really know about other distros) is too slow? Does it mean the development goes too fast? Is it a problem with VoIP in general? Does it mean there is no point for a distro to provide VoIP packages because if you want roughly the version everybody else is using you will have to compile it anyway? I'm in Engineering not Marketing, so I'm going to tell you the way it is, not a fluff paragraph that means pretty much nothing. I find it interesting that dropped my qualifying statement in your reply, which was: I think we will certainly invite input from the community before we decide upon a firm date, however. Keep in mind that Asterisk 1.2 is still receiving security updates as they occur to the broader Asterisk spectrum, so even though it's not receiving bugfixes, it is still somewhat supported, in that respect. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
How do you go about determining this has happened? Tilghman Lesher wrote: Similarly, we will probably end-of-life 1.4 when a majority of users make the jump to 1.6. -- Thank you and have any kind of day you want, Anthony Francis Rockynet VOIP ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On Monday 17 November 2008 04:50:43 pm Anthony Francis wrote: How do you go about determining this has happened? Tilghman Lesher wrote: Similarly, we will probably end-of-life 1.4 when a majority of users make the jump to 1.6. There are various measures, such as the questions people ask. Also, the comparative numbers of unique IPs downloading 1.4 releases, as opposed to 1.6 releases. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
Tilghman Lesher schrieb: On Monday 17 November 2008 12:46:10 pm Philipp Kempgen wrote: Tilghman Lesher schrieb: On Thursday 13 November 2008 08:16:42 Klaus Darilion wrote: Is there somewhere a statement from Digium how long they will support Asterisk 1.4? There is no statement, because we haven't even discussed when the EOL for 1.4 will be reached. Certainly that means it won't happen for at least the next 60 days, but beyond that, I really don't know. For the average non-techie user who does not want to compile themselves that may sound funny (if not scary). When Debian Lenny (featuring Asterisk 1.4) is finally going to be released that version might not even be supported any more. Do you have a firm release date for Debian Lenny? I sure don't. Do you have a guarantee from Debian that Lenny will even be released? No, you don't have that, either. With a little bit of spin, you can make Debian's release policy sound really, really awful. That said, I'm sure Debian will release Lenny when it's ready, which is exactly the same policy that we have for new Asterisk releases. We release when it's ready; doesn't sound so bad, now, does it? No, doesn't sound bad. But what's your point here? Does that indicate Debian (don't really know about other distros) is too slow? Does it mean the development goes too fast? Is it a problem with VoIP in general? Does it mean there is no point for a distro to provide VoIP packages because if you want roughly the version everybody else is using you will have to compile it anyway? I'm in Engineering not Marketing, so I'm going to tell you the way it is, not a fluff paragraph that means pretty much nothing. Thank you. I find it interesting that dropped my qualifying statement in your reply, which was: I think we will certainly invite input from the community before we decide upon a firm date, however. Keep in mind that Asterisk 1.2 is still receiving security updates as they occur to the broader Asterisk spectrum, so even though it's not receiving bugfixes, it is still somewhat supported, in that respect. As I didn't mean to complain about Asterisk release policy or anything I dropped that part because it wasn't relevant for my reply. My questions were more on a philosophical level and might as well have been posted on pkg-voip-maintainers or be discussed with any other maintainer of VoIP packages. Philipp Kempgen -- http://www.das-asterisk-buch.de - http://www.the-asterisk-book.com Amooma GmbH - Bachstr. 126 - 56566 Neuwied - http://www.amooma.de Geschäftsführer: Stefan Wintermeyer, Handelsregister: Neuwied B14998 -- ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 17 November 2008 04:50:43 pm Anthony Francis wrote: How do you go about determining this has happened? Tilghman Lesher wrote: Similarly, we will probably end-of-life 1.4 when a majority of users make the jump to 1.6. There are various measures, such as the questions people ask. Also, the comparative numbers of unique IPs downloading 1.4 releases, as opposed to 1.6 releases. Do you also count SVN checkouts, because that's what i usually do. And then there's also SVN switch, to update to other tag (for example 1.4.19 to 1.4.22) Regards, Atis -- Atis Lezdins, VoIP Project Manager / Developer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: atis.lezdins Cell Phone: +371 28806004 Cell Phone: +1 800 7300689 Work phone: +1 800 7502835 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On Monday 17 November 2008 07:03:52 pm Atis Lezdins wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 17 November 2008 04:50:43 pm Anthony Francis wrote: How do you go about determining this has happened? Tilghman Lesher wrote: Similarly, we will probably end-of-life 1.4 when a majority of users make the jump to 1.6. There are various measures, such as the questions people ask. Also, the comparative numbers of unique IPs downloading 1.4 releases, as opposed to 1.6 releases. Do you also count SVN checkouts, because that's what i usually do. And then there's also SVN switch, to update to other tag (for example 1.4.19 to 1.4.22) I don't believe we do, currently, but that's another option. Another thing I hadn't mentioned is that if a group of people decided they wanted to continue to maintain 1.4 beyond the point where we stopped, that's an option that we've considered giving. No idea if anybody capable of maintaining the branch would want to, but it's a possibility. Once again, I want to reiterate that no such decision to discontinue 1.4 has been made. For the foreseeable future, 1.4 will continue to be maintained as an open release branch that will continue to have bugfixes and releases. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
Hi! Is there somewhere a statement from Digium how long they will support Asterisk 1.4? thanks klaus ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How long will Asterisk 1.4.x supported/maintained
On Thursday 13 November 2008 08:16:42 Klaus Darilion wrote: Is there somewhere a statement from Digium how long they will support Asterisk 1.4? There is no statement, because we haven't even discussed when the EOL for 1.4 will be reached. Certainly that means it won't happen for at least the next 60 days, but beyond that, I really don't know. I think we will certainly invite input from the community before we decide upon a firm date, however. Keep in mind that Asterisk 1.2 is still receiving security updates as they occur to the broader Asterisk spectrum, so even though it's not receiving bugfixes, it is still somewhat supported, in that respect. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
