Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
This arrived today: July 16th. (but I also receive older messages; oldest is from july 4th) Looking at the headers of the messages it always appears to be the last step that is delayed. (that is the delivery to my local mail server). Example below: Received: from viadoos.rzuiderven.nl ([unix socket]) by viadoos.rzuiderven.nl (Cyrus v2.1.18-IPv6-Debian-2.1.18-5.1) with LMTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:14:06 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from lists.digium.com (lists.digium.com [216.207.245.17]) by viadoos.rzuiderven.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5538685766 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=INXS.digium.internal) by lists.digium.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1I8Ywl-0006nM-E0; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:57:23 -0500 I did look in the mail log files to see if I could find indications where delivery was delayed too much. Either it is not logged, or there is no local problem (or I don't know what I am looking for). I will try to increase the logging level of Postfix (I trust that that is possible). I am located in the Netherlands. Hans Feringa On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:37:29 +0200, Christian Victor wrote I have the same problem. My mail sent yesterday around 20:00h and it still not arrived at the list. Sent from germany by the way. Christian email delays here are about 8 days. I don't expect to see this until 19th July -- Bill Maidment Maidment Enterprises Pty Ltd www.maidment.vu ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:57:05 +1000, Bill Maidment wrote On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:37:29 +0200, Christian Victor wrote I have the same problem. My mail sent yesterday around 20:00h and it still not arrived at the list. Sent from germany by the way. Christian email delays here are about 8 days. I don't expect to see this until 19th July -- Bill Maidment Maidment Enterprises Pty Ltd www.maidment.vu ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Finally received it (a litle earlier than I'd anticipated). Please note I'm located in Sydney, Australia so the time here is UTC+10.00 Here are the headers From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul 11 19:57:05 2007 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mail2.maidment.vu (mail2.maidment.vu [192.168.2.6]) by mail1.maidment.vu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6FIWYjN013962 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:32:34 +1000 Received: from lists.digium.com (lists.digium.com [216.207.245.17]) by mail2.maidment.vu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6FIWMYl019169 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:32:29 +1000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=INXS.digium.internal) by lists.digium.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1I8Ywl-0006nM-E0; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:57:23 -0500 Received: from exprod8mx66.postini.com ([64.18.3.166] helo=psmtp.com) by lists.digium.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1I8Ywd-0006nG-8i for asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:57:15 -0500 Received: from source ([150.101.116.251]) by exprod8mx66.postini.com ([64.18.7.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:57:13 PDT Received: from mail1.maidment.vu (mail1.maidment.vu [192.168.2.8]) by mail2.maidment.vu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6B9v8M8007038 for asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:57:08 +1000 Received: from mail1.maidment.vu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.maidment.vu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6B9v5km020073 for asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:57:05 +1000 From: Bill Maidment [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:57:05 +1000 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060502 X-OriginatingIP: 192.168.2.119 (bill) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 () BAYES_00 from 192.168.2.8 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 () BAYES_00 from 192.168.2.6 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 from 192.168.2.6 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 () ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 from 192.168.2.8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 192.168.2.8 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 150.101.116.251 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 192.168.2.6 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 192.168.2.8 X-pstn-neptune: 0/0/0.00/0 X-pstn-levels: (S:66.28460/99.9 FC:95.5390 LC:95.5390 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 ) X-pstn-settings: 3 (1.:1.) s fc lc gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [db-null] Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] List delays X-BeenThere: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com List-Id: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users.lists.digium.com List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users List-Post: mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Status: R -- Bill Maidment Maidment Enterprises Pty Ltd www.maidment.vu ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
We haven't taken a poll, so I can't say that most users are having no trouble, but I do know that several users have expressed concern about delayed messages. Although Dimitri's plea to the 'Admin' may not have been carefully worded, it would be nice to have some feedback on this issue. As far as I can tell, there has been no response by moderators/admin to the messages regarding list delays, including messages that I have sent directly to those identified as list managers. I've pasted the header for the message that I'm replying to. Although I'm not qualified to interpret the header, it appears to have taken a couple days from the time digium received it until digium sent it. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 5230 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2007 14:59:41 - Received: from lists.digium.com (216.207.245.17) by lmerc.org with (AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 12 Jul 2007 14:59:41 - Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=INXS.digium.internal) by lists.digium.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1I893a-0004UJ-BE; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:18:42 -0500 Received: from exprod8mx6.postini.com ([64.18.3.106] helo=psmtp.com) by lists.digium.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1I893R-0004Tz-9n for asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:18:33 -0500 Received: from source ([206.168.222.161]) by exprod8mx6.postini.com ([64.18.7.10]) with SMTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:18:32 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:18:32 -0600 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Anthony Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com X-Mailer: IMail v8.15 X-pstn-neptune: 0/0/0.00/0 X-pstn-levels: (S:66.50580/99.9 FC:95.5390 LC:95.5390 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 ) X-pstn-settings: 3 (1.:1.) s fc lc gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [db-null] Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] List delays X-BeenThere: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com List-Id: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users.lists.digium.com List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users List-Post: mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Don Don Kelly PCF Corp Real Support for your Virtual Office 651 842-1000 888 Don Kell(y) 651 842-1001 fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Francis Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:19 AM To: Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] List delays Most of the users using this list do not experience the issue you are having, rather than insult the admins, please trouble shoot and if you cannot, at least post headers so others can. -- Original Message -- From: Dimitri Volski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussionasterisk-users@lists.digium.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:32:49 +1000 There is definitely something wrong with this list. I have my emails sorted by date, and every day, the emails do not just come on top, but get slotted in. Today (10 July 2007), I received about 6 emails from 29th of June, couple from 30th, up until the 5th of July, nothing of today's, or, well, for the last 5 days. Admin, get your act together ! ;) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Mail Call antivirus software, and is believed to be clean. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Don Kelly wrote: Although Dimitri's plea to the 'Admin' may not have been carefully worded, it would be nice to have some feedback on this issue. As far as I can tell, there has been no response by moderators/admin to the messages regarding list delays, including messages that I have sent directly to those identified as list managers. We have been working on this issue as much as possible, and in fact the list server was shut down intentionally yesterday (for nearly 24 hours) in an attempt to clear the backlog of undelivered messages. There is still more work to be done, and we haven't yet found the root cause of the delays, but it does appear to be a large number of subscriber addresses that fail to resolve via DNS (but 'soft failures' (timeouts), not hard failures). As we get through the backlog of queued messages and the mail server rejects these addresses, Mailman will unsubscribe those users and the problem will begin to clear up, but I expect it will take a few days before things have returned to any sort of normalcy. -- Kevin P. Fleming Director of Software Technologies Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 09:34:51AM -0600, Stephen Bosch said: Walt Reed wrote: No, as I explained before with the reasons why, please don't post them here. Send them DIRECTLY to the list admins. It is 100% off topic to keep discussing a list administration / mail delivery problem here. List USERS can not help you. Considering that the vast majority of users do not experience such delays, and that it's HIGHLY unlikely that Digium maintains a list of who to delay mail for, the problem is 99% likely to be something wrong with the recipient's system. It could be DNS, routing problems, anti-spam mechanisms (greylisting, active sender verification, dspam, SA, etc.) or timeouts caused by slow responses due to said anti-spam mechanisms, etc. I don't buy this. This problem did not appear until Digium changed list servers. So you don't believe that the new servers may have shorter timeouts than the old and that recipient configuration has no impact? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Kevin P. Fleming on 12 July 2007 19:52 wrote: 8 SNIP! 8- we haven't yet found the root cause of the delays, but it does appear to be a large number of subscriber addresses that fail to resolve via DNS (but 'soft failures' (timeouts), not hard failures). As we get through the backlog of queued messages and the mail server rejects these addresses, Mailman will unsubscribe those users and the problem will begin to clear up 8 SNIP! 8- Are you saying that that if your mailman server fails to deliver to a 'subscribers' email addy for whatever reason (i.e. googlemail throws a spanner for a couple of seconds), those 'subscribers' will be permanently unsubscribed from the list? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Walt Reed wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 09:34:51AM -0600, Stephen Bosch said: Walt Reed wrote: No, as I explained before with the reasons why, please don't post them here. Send them DIRECTLY to the list admins. It is 100% off topic to keep discussing a list administration / mail delivery problem here. List USERS can not help you. Considering that the vast majority of users do not experience such delays, and that it's HIGHLY unlikely that Digium maintains a list of who to delay mail for, the problem is 99% likely to be something wrong with the recipient's system. It could be DNS, routing problems, anti-spam mechanisms (greylisting, active sender verification, dspam, SA, etc.) or timeouts caused by slow responses due to said anti-spam mechanisms, etc. I don't buy this. This problem did not appear until Digium changed list servers. So you don't believe that the new servers may have shorter timeouts than the old and that recipient configuration has no impact? The delivery delay is demonstrably in Digium's network, so no, I don't. Recipient configurations have no impact on that. The new servers may indeed have shorter DNS timeouts, but again -- that's a list server administration issue. -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Most of the users using this list do not experience the issue you are having, rather than insult the admins, please trouble shoot and if you cannot, at least post headers so others can. Received: from lists.digium.com ([216.207.245.17]) by nlpiport01.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:12:49 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=INXS.digium.internal) by lists.digium.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1I893a-0004UJ-BE; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:18:42 -0500 Received: from exprod8mx6.postini.com ([64.18.3.106] helo=psmtp.com) by lists.digium.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1I893R-0004Tz-9nfor asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:18:33 -0500 Received: from source ([206.168.222.161]) by exprod8mx6.postini.com ([64.18.7.10]) with SMTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:18:32 -0600 No mail system guru here, but it would seem lists.digium.com is indeed holding on to email for 2 days. It looks like those of us that are not in the U.S. seem to have a problem with delays. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:37:29 +0200, Christian Victor wrote I have the same problem. My mail sent yesterday around 20:00h and it still not arrived at the list. Sent from germany by the way. Christian email delays here are about 8 days. I don't expect to see this until 19th July -- Bill Maidment Maidment Enterprises Pty Ltd www.maidment.vu ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
On 7/11/07, Bill Maidment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: email delays here are about 8 days. I don't expect to see this until 19th July When you do get the message, please reply with the email headers, so we have some chance of tracking down the problem. For example, below are the headers from your post as the message came to me. If my math is right, it shows about a sixteen minute delay from the time you send the message to the list to the time I got it. Without seeing the headers though, it's going to be difficult (if not impossible) for the Digium IT team to be able to see if the problem is on their end, or somewhere else in between. -Jared Received: from lists.digium.com (lists.digium.com [216.207.245.17]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si30015978agb.2007.07.11.03.14.08; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of [EMAIL PROTECTED] designates 216.207.245.17 as permitted sender) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=INXS.digium.internal) by lists.digium.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1I8Ywh-0006nM-CV; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:57:19 -0500 Received: from exprod8mx66.postini.com ([64.18.3.166] helo=psmtp.com) by lists.digium.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1I8Ywd-0006nG-8i for asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:57:15 -0500 Received: from source ([150.101.116.251]) by exprod8mx66.postini.com ([64.18.7.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:57:13 PDT Received: from mail1.maidment.vu (mail1.maidment.vu [192.168.2.8]) by mail2.maidment.vu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6B9v8M8007038 for asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:57:08 +1000 Received: from mail1.maidment.vu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.maidment.vu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l6B9v5km020073 for asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:57:05 +1000 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
No, as I explained before with the reasons why, please don't post them here. Send them DIRECTLY to the list admins. It is 100% off topic to keep discussing a list administration / mail delivery problem here. List USERS can not help you. Considering that the vast majority of users do not experience such delays, and that it's HIGHLY unlikely that Digium maintains a list of who to delay mail for, the problem is 99% likely to be something wrong with the recipient's system. It could be DNS, routing problems, anti-spam mechanisms (greylisting, active sender verification, dspam, SA, etc.) or timeouts caused by slow responses due to said anti-spam mechanisms, etc. Many people fail to realize that high-volume mail servers (especially for large mailing lists) don't have long timeouts and therefore can't tolerate slow recipient servers. It takes too many resources. Make sure that you whitelist list mail at all phases of your protection systems. Make sure you are NOT doing sender callouts, running every message through spamassassin, greylistging, etc. for list mail. Lastly, there is nothing Digium is going to be able to do if your DNS servers are flakey, or route path is. Headers just tell you that there is a delay. We already know this. Only the sending AND receiving server logs can tell you WHY, and then you may only know if the session was run in debugging mode. On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 07:33:43AM -0400, Jared Smith said: On 7/11/07, Bill Maidment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: email delays here are about 8 days. I don't expect to see this until 19th July When you do get the message, please reply with the email headers, so we have some chance of tracking down the problem. For example, below ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Walter, I know you just said that list users can not help with this problem, however I must beg to differ with you. The information that you just provided is a big help, if people take your advice about the configuration of their internal systems. So in one way it is off the topic of Asterisk, but is on target for helping people solve their issues if they interact more efficiently with the list and the resources that it provides. IMHO, Dave On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 08:47 -0400, Walt Reed wrote: No, as I explained before with the reasons why, please don't post them here. Send them DIRECTLY to the list admins. It is 100% off topic to keep discussing a list administration / mail delivery problem here. List USERS can not help you. Considering that the vast majority of users do not experience such delays, and that it's HIGHLY unlikely that Digium maintains a list of who to delay mail for, the problem is 99% likely to be something wrong with the recipient's system. It could be DNS, routing problems, anti-spam mechanisms (greylisting, active sender verification, dspam, SA, etc.) or timeouts caused by slow responses due to said anti-spam mechanisms, etc. Many people fail to realize that high-volume mail servers (especially for large mailing lists) don't have long timeouts and therefore can't tolerate slow recipient servers. It takes too many resources. Make sure that you whitelist list mail at all phases of your protection systems. Make sure you are NOT doing sender callouts, running every message through spamassassin, greylistging, etc. for list mail. Lastly, there is nothing Digium is going to be able to do if your DNS servers are flakey, or route path is. Headers just tell you that there is a delay. We already know this. Only the sending AND receiving server logs can tell you WHY, and then you may only know if the session was run in debugging mode. On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 07:33:43AM -0400, Jared Smith said: On 7/11/07, Bill Maidment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: email delays here are about 8 days. I don't expect to see this until 19th July When you do get the message, please reply with the email headers, so we have some chance of tracking down the problem. For example, below ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Walt Reed wrote: No, as I explained before with the reasons why, please don't post them here. Send them DIRECTLY to the list admins. It is 100% off topic to keep discussing a list administration / mail delivery problem here. List USERS can not help you. Considering that the vast majority of users do not experience such delays, and that it's HIGHLY unlikely that Digium maintains a list of who to delay mail for, the problem is 99% likely to be something wrong with the recipient's system. It could be DNS, routing problems, anti-spam mechanisms (greylisting, active sender verification, dspam, SA, etc.) or timeouts caused by slow responses due to said anti-spam mechanisms, etc. I don't buy this. This problem did not appear until Digium changed list servers. If there's a DNS problem, it's probably with the list server configuration. -Stephen- PS: Did they name the Army Medical Center after you? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Most of the users using this list do not experience the issue you are having, rather than insult the admins, please trouble shoot and if you cannot, at least post headers so others can. -- Original Message -- From: Dimitri Volski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussionasterisk-users@lists.digium.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:32:49 +1000 There is definitely something wrong with this list. I have my emails sorted by date, and every day, the emails do not just come on top, but get slotted in. Today (10 July 2007), I received about 6 emails from 29th of June, couple from 30th, up until the 5th of July, nothing of today's, or, well, for the last 5 days. Admin, get your act together ! ;) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Mail Call antivirus software, and is believed to be clean. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
No, please don't post headers. Headers tell us nothing. They don't tell us such things such as DNS resolution problems, routing problems, if the recipient's server is tempfailing, etc. The ONLY thing really useful are the mail logs from the list server. The only people that have access are Digium employees. I encourage everyone who is having delays to visit http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users and look at the bottom of the page. The link to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the other two addresses listed are the ONLY addresses that should be notified of list problems / delivery issues. Considering that so Very Very few subscribers are having delays, there is a 99% chance that you have something messed up on your side - DNS reliability, your network, one or more of your MX servers, some goofy anti-spam scheme, etc. In this case: dig mx mailcall.com.au ;; ANSWER SECTION: mailcall.com.au.60 IN MX 100 mx2.zoneedit.com. mailcall.com.au.60 IN MX 0 email.mailcall.com.au. Connection attempts to mx2.zoneedit.com were taking well over a minute to get the 220 mx2.zoneedit.com ESMTP Postfix response. Most high-volume list servers won't wait that long. I strongly suggest you find a better backup mail relay service, or don't even list a second MX. Once ALL your MX servers (no matter what priority they are listed at) are working quickly and correctly, THEN contact the list admins for further help. On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 12:18:32AM -0600, Anthony Francis said: Most of the users using this list do not experience the issue you are having, rather than insult the admins, please trouble shoot and if you cannot, at least post headers so others can. -- Original Message -- From: Dimitri Volski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussionasterisk-users@lists.digium.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:32:49 +1000 There is definitely something wrong with this list. I have my emails sorted by date, and every day, the emails do not just come on top, but get slotted in. Today (10 July 2007), I received about 6 emails from 29th of June, couple from 30th, up until the 5th of July, nothing of today's, or, well, for the last 5 days. Admin, get your act together ! ;) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Mail Call antivirus software, and is believed to be clean. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com Sent via the WebMail system at rockynet.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 11:32:49AM +1000, Dimitri Volski wrote: There is definitely something wrong with this list. I have my emails sorted by date, and every day, the emails do not just come on top, but get slotted in. Today (10 July 2007), I received about 6 emails from 29th of June, couple from 30th, up until the 5th of July, nothing of today's, or, well, for the last 5 days. Admin, get your act together ! http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users shows: asterisk-users list run by malcolmd at digium.com, kpfleming at digium.com . I saw a comment on #asterisk (from russelb?) that the problem is basically known and is being tracked or whatever. So Admin: what kind of information would you find useful from those users who notice a delayed delivery? -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
At 02:22 AM 7/10/2007, you wrote: Considering that so Very Very few subscribers are having delays, there is a 99% chance that you have something messed up on your side - DNS reliability, your network, one or more of your MX servers, some goofy anti-spam scheme, etc. Or maybe it's just a VERY VERY few who are complaining. I posted a message on the 6th that I'm still waiting to see, but others show up in minutes. Ira ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
John Faubion wrote: Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev I've seen several people mention it taking a few days to send messages. I've usually seen mine in a few minutes. We'll see about this one... sent July 4th at 09:54 CDT (15:54 UTC) Received July 9th, 11:01 EST Doug -- Ben Franklin quote: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
I received your message just a few minutes after you sent it; however, it sometimes takes 3-4 days before I see messages I post coming back to me on the list. --Don Don Kelly PCF Corp Real Support for your Virtual Office 651 842-1000 888 Don Kell(y) 651 842-1001 fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Faubion Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:58 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] List delays Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev I've seen several people mention it taking a few days to send messages. I've usually seen mine in a few minutes. We'll see about this one... sent July 4th at 09:54 CDT (15:54 UTC) John ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 09:57 -0500, John Faubion wrote: Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev I've seen several people mention it taking a few days to send messages. I've usually seen mine in a few minutes. We'll see about this one... sent July 4th at 09:54 CDT (15:54 UTC) John Received july the nineth! (unlike msg's from the suse-lists or aurora-lists, that do arive within minutes...) hw -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
There is definitely something wrong with this list. I have my emails sorted by date, and every day, the emails do not just come on top, but get slotted in. Today (10 July 2007), I received about 6 emails from 29th of June, couple from 30th, up until the 5th of July, nothing of today's, or, well, for the last 5 days. Admin, get your act together ! ;) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Mail Call antivirus software, and is believed to be clean. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Am Mittwoch, den 04.07.2007, 11:00 -0400 schrieb Noah Miller: Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev list seems fine! I'm getting new messages within a matter of minutes. I dunno. As this topic is mentioned, I have similar problems. I often get messages in the wrong order, like this one: I got the reply (from Noah), but the original message will probably arrive tomorrow or so, if at all. No, it is not my spamassassin eating those - that will be invoked _after_ asterisk-users mails already sorted into the proper folder for the rest of incoming mails. This is extremely annoying when discussion thread view stops working. With a volume like that of asterisk-users, discussion threading is a feature worth using, but it breaks when the original message comes long after the reply to it. For some reasons, two mails I sent seem not to have gone through. Or will do so some day now... BR Anselm ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] List delays
Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev list seems fine! Doug -- Ben Franklin quote: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev list seems fine! I'm getting new messages within a matter of minutes. I dunno. - Noah ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
I have the same problem. My mail sent yesterday around 20:00h and it still not arrived at the list. Sent from germany by the way. Christian ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev I've seen several people mention it taking a few days to send messages. I've usually seen mine in a few minutes. We'll see about this one... sent July 4th at 09:54 CDT (15:54 UTC) John ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Doug Lytle wrote: Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev list seems fine! Mine arrive instantly. -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev I've seen several people mention it taking a few days to send messages. I've usually seen mine in a few minutes. We'll see about this one... sent July 4th at 09:54 CDT (15:54 UTC) And received at 10:58 CDT (16:58 UTC)... May have more to do with where it is sent from than the list itself. John ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
John Faubion wrote: Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev I've seen several people mention it taking a few days to send messages. I've usually seen mine in a few minutes. We'll see about this one... sent July 4th at 09:54 CDT (15:54 UTC) And received at 10:58 CDT (16:58 UTC)... May have more to do with where it is sent from than the list itself. If you view the full headers, it shows the time received at each hop from original sender, through the mailing list to the recipient (you). This should help figure out where the delay is. regards, Drew -- Drew Gibson Systems Administrator OANDA Corporation www.oanda.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] List delays
Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev list seems fine! Interesting, since I am only able to see the replies from the archives, I took note of the headers as Drew Gibson suggested. Looks like mail is getting held up between INXS.digium.internal and lists.digium.com INXS.digium.internal received it the first of July, lists.digium.com received it on the 4th. drdos.info (ME) received it from lists.digium.com on that same day (Today). Attached: From - Wed Jul 04 14:19:03 2007 X-Account-Key: account2 X-UIDL: 86007 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: X-Mozilla-Keys: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.digium.com ([192.168.145.1]) by drdos.info with hMailServer ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:11:14 -0400 Received: from lists.digium.com ([216.207.245.17] helo=lists.digium.com) by ASSP-nospam; 4 Jul 2007 14:12:33 -0301 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=INXS.digium.internal) by lists.digium.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1I53rV-0005GQ-A7; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:09:29 -0500 Received: from exprod8mx6.postini.com ([64.18.3.106] helo=psmtp.com) by lists.digium.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1I53rM-0005Fx-Sc for asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:09:21 -0500 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
John Faubion wrote: Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev I've seen several people mention it taking a few days to send messages. I've usually seen mine in a few minutes. We'll see about this one... sent July 4th at 09:54 CDT (15:54 UTC) Read the message headers. They tell you exactly what time and by what host the message was received at. There is no mystery here, it is all in the message headers. If your e-mail program does not allow you to view the headers then get an e-mail client that does not suck. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] List delays
Eric ManxPower Wieling wrote: John Faubion wrote: Is it just me? After the mail list server upgrade, the average delivery time for messages to the users list is between 4 and 5 days. The Dev I've seen several people mention it taking a few days to send messages. I've usually seen mine in a few minutes. We'll see about this one... sent July 4th at 09:54 CDT (15:54 UTC) Read the message headers. They tell you exactly what time and by what host the message was received at. There is no mystery here, it is all in the message headers. If your e-mail program does not allow you to view the headers then get an e-mail client that does not suck. APPLAUSE -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
