RE: [asterisk-users] Load balenced (ADSL) network connections, is it possible?

2006-07-24 Thread James Harper
 Is it possible to somehow have multiple NICs in the server each with a
 different IP address pointing to a different default gateway (router).
But
 then some how load balanced into a virtual network connection?
 
 Any ideas or solutions would be appreciated - just in case I have gone
off
 at a wild tangent.

I have successfully tested a MultiLink PPPoE connection with DSL tails.
If your ISP supports this then that would be the best way to do it. If
they can supply a 512/512 DSL connection then just aggregate these
together until you have the required amount of bandwidth.

James
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[asterisk-users] Load balenced (ADSL) network connections, is it possible?

2006-07-20 Thread Chris Blunt








Hi List, 



I need to put an Asterisk server in a remote office where
only ADSL is available. Maximum of 8meg downstream 646k upstream.



I need to handle 20 concurrent calls over IAX preferably
uLaw, so 64k per channel. 



Is it possible to somehow have multiple NICs in the server
each with a different IP address pointing to a different default gateway
(router). But then some how load balanced into a virtual network connection?



Any ideas or solutions would be appreciated  just in
case I have gone off at a wild tangent.



Thanks 



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Entropy IT Ltd








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Re: [asterisk-users] Load balenced (ADSL) network connections, is it possible?

2006-07-20 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Chris Blunt wrote:

 Hi List,

 I need to put an Asterisk server in a remote office where only ADSL is
 available. Maximum of 8meg downstream 646k upstream.

 I need to handle 20 concurrent calls over IAX preferably uLaw, so 64k
 per channel.

 Is it possible to somehow have multiple NICs in the server each with a
 different IP address pointing to a different default gateway (router).
 But then some how load balanced into a virtual network connection?

 Any ideas or solutions would be appreciated – just in case I have gone
 off at a wild tangent.

 Thanks

Well, for 20 channels over trunked IAX, you will need roughly 1300Kbps
up and downstream using G.711u (over 1500Kbps if not trunked).
With a pair of ADSL connections, with QoS, you still don't really have
anough bandwidth.
Are you sure using G.729 or G.723.1 (or even G.726) wouldn't be allowed?

Also, it's worth finding out if the local exchange is ADSL 2+ enabled
with any operator (16Mb/1Mb).

Also worth noting, that if you sign up to an 8Mbit service, and your
ADSL modem manages to sync at that speed (never seen it, but it's not
impossible). Your actual throughput will only be 7150Kbps (also upstream
will be less than stated by the sync rate). This is before you lower
these even more through use of QoS.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Load balenced (ADSL) network connections, is it possible?

2006-07-20 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday 20 July 2006 15:10, Chris Blunt wrote:

 I need to handle 20 concurrent calls over IAX preferably uLaw,
 so 64k per channel.

Now that Thomas has handled your current bandwidth limitations, 
I'll take a look at what you are trying to achieve...

 Is it possible to somehow have multiple NICs in the server
 each with a different IP address pointing to a different
 default gateway (router).



With routers to handle all your routing requirements, I haven't 
looked at pointing my default to more than one router. However, 
looking at http://www.clintoneast.com/articles/multihomed.php 
makes it seem like it can work.

Googl'ing 'linux multiple default routes' also turns up some 
interesting results. You might also look at running a routing 
protocols on the box.


 But then some how load balanced into 
 a virtual network connection?

Can you explain further - do you mean the single same connection 
coming through the single same router?

Mark.


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RE: [asterisk-users] Load balenced (ADSL) network connections, is it possible?

2006-07-20 Thread jacobso1








Unless my brain did melt down under the
high heat here, there are a few things I would share :



-
1 channel u-law uses at least 80k because of encapsulation

So,
think about compression

-
You can never use 100% of a bandwidth. (80% is a good max)

-
The values given are maximum values, far from the guaranteed values

-




Instead of adsl, I would go for sdsl (symmetrical)

Where adsl is possible, sdsl is normally
also possible

Sdsl is more expensive but you can demand
sla, higher guaranteed bandwidth (up to 50 or 100%)



Never forget that the guaranteed bandwidth
is between your router and the first equipment of your provider. 

You get NO warranty you have that
bandwidth further away even on your isp backbone.



Isp sales men always forget to talk about
that

If they say you get 100% to use all the
time, sign immediately IF they put that WRITTEN alongside financial
compensation if they fail.

Dear mister sales man, you do not have to
worry about compensation since you guaranteed it would not happen ;-)





Other problems you will face with several IPs
:



Even if you can manage several IPs
for the outgoing traffic, you cannot for incoming traffic as those are unaware
of your situation

Or they need to put multiple entries for
you asterisk and try those sequentially

Or you could go up for incoming calls and
down for outgoing calls

That is a simple solution, that will
statistically work but NO warranty

NOT really a telco way 



Routing problems might occur









Regards,



T. Jacobson 
















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Re: [asterisk-users] Load balenced (ADSL) network connections, is it possible?

2006-07-20 Thread phil . dawson
Have you considered SDSL for higher bandwidth?  Also, a dual wan router
would help with your load balancing problem?  Just google'd and spotted one
that seems to be voip friendly.  For incoming calls you could ask your ISP
to bind your ADSL/SDSL feeds.

Hypothetical offcourse :-)


http://www.peplink.com/productsFeatures.php?productName=balance


Phil.


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Hi List,

I need to put an Asterisk server in a remote office where only ADSL is
available.  Maximum of 8meg downstream 646k upstream.

I need to handle 20 concurrent calls over IAX preferably uLaw, so 64k per
channel.

Is it possible to somehow have multiple NICs in the server each with a
different IP address pointing to a different default gateway (router). But
then some how load balanced into a virtual network connection?

Any ideas or solutions would be appreciated – just in case I have gone off
at a wild tangent.

Thanks

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Re: [asterisk-users] Load balenced (ADSL) network connections, is it possible?

2006-07-20 Thread Alex Robar
Have you checked out pfSense? It's based on the BSD firewall m0n0wall, supports multiple WAN links and load balancing between them. Seems like it might do the trick for you. Philip Mullis will be giving a talk regarding how to get it all setup at the next Toronto Asterisk User's Group meeting, if you're local to Toronto too.
AlexOn 7/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:Have you considered SDSL for higher bandwidth?Also, a dual wan router
would help with your load balancing problem?Just google'd and spotted onethat seems to be voip friendly.For incoming calls you could ask your ISPto bind your ADSL/SDSL feeds.Hypothetical offcourse :-)
http://www.peplink.com/productsFeatures.php?productName=balancePhil.- Message from Chris Blunt 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 20Jul 2006 14:10:37 +0100 -To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
 Subject: [asterisk-users] Load balenced (ADSL) network connections, is itpossible?Hi List,I need to put an Asterisk server in a remote office where only ADSL isavailable.Maximum of 8meg downstream 646k upstream.
I need to handle 20 concurrent calls over IAX preferably uLaw, so 64k perchannel.Is it possible to somehow have multiple NICs in the server each with adifferent IP address pointing to a different default gateway (router). But
then some how load balanced into a virtual network connection?Any ideas or solutions would be appreciated – just in case I have gone offat a wild tangent.Thanks--Chris BluntEntropy IT Ltd
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Re: [asterisk-users] Load balenced (ADSL) network connections, is it possible?

2006-07-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Have you checked out pfSense? It's based on the BSD firewall m0n0wall,
 supports multiple WAN links and load balancing between them. 

Has anyone gotten this to work with Asterisk? I've got a couple of clients 
who've tried it but they couldn't get it to work, and I've not been given the 
opportunity to try it myself.

-SKM

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Re: [asterisk-users] Load balenced (ADSL) network connections, is it possible?

2006-07-20 Thread Alex Robar
Phillip's Talk will be recorded for the TAUG podcast if you're interested. AlexOn 7/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have you checked out pfSense? It's based on the BSD firewall m0n0wall, supports multiple WAN links and load balancing between them.Has anyone gotten this to work with Asterisk? I've got a couple of clients
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Re: [asterisk-users] Load balenced (ADSL) network connections, is it possible?

2006-07-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's fantastic, thanks! 

On Thursday 20 July 2006 4:47 pm, Alex Robar wrote:
 Phillip's Talk will be recorded for the TAUG podcast if you're interested.

 Alex

 On 7/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Have you checked out pfSense? It's based on the BSD firewall
   m0n0wall, supports multiple WAN links and load balancing between
   them.
 
  Has anyone gotten this to work with Asterisk? I've got a couple of
  clients who've tried it but they couldn't get it to work, and I've not
  been given the
  opportunity to try it myself.
 
  -SKM
 
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