Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-14 Thread Andreas van dem Helge
I want to 3rd this. They admitted some of their hardware runs GPL code
(Linux, IPTables, wget and more) yet refuse to provide the source code
or evidence of an alternate license agreement with the authors of the
software (which I doubt they did I just like to give people that
benefit of the doubt). But I do think their engineering is excellent.
What a waste.


On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Al lists wrote:

   Bad memories from AudioCodec :)

  Por que?  I'm curious.



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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-14 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 07:13:30PM -0400, Andreas van dem Helge wrote:
 I want to 3rd this. They admitted some of their hardware runs GPL code
 (Linux, IPTables, wget and more) yet refuse to provide the source code
 or evidence of an alternate license agreement with the authors of the
 software (which I doubt they did I just like to give people that
 benefit of the doubt). But I do think their engineering is excellent.
 What a waste.

Somebody call Eben Moglen.

He's *itching* to take this to court, instead of having everyone settle
out from under him; I know he is.  :-)

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-11 Thread Al lists
I just wanted to check one more thing,
system is connected to PSTN via SIP trunk ( No echo) , and terminates to
customer analog phone's via Adit 600 fxs.
I do not see any need for echo cancellation in this setup.
There is no far end hybrid source,
Any other thoughts?



On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Darren Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've used Adit600's almost exclusively for my installs.   All have worked
 great for me.

 -D


 

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 Just Google Quintum Tenor AX.  Well worth the money.

 Thanks,
 Steve Totaro

 On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Al lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Im guessing T1cas not PRI,just because its giving 24 fxs per T1.
   Steve, what are my options for SIP to fxs?
   thank you!
 
 
 
   On 3/31/08, Doug Lytle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don Pobanz wrote:
 Doug Lytle wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 5:40 PM



 This does not sound right. If it is 2 PRIs then it should be 46
 channels


   
I may have the terminology incorrect. I don't have a D channel, so I
guess this would be called a T1 then?
   
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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-03 Thread Jerry Jones

On Apr 2, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Al lists wrote:

 Bad memories from AudioCodec :)



Second this.

My favorite is Vega, but they have terrible support in US.

Have many Adit600 connected via Digium T1 - work great. Even FAX if  
PSTN PRI connected to same card.

And no the Adit600 is not a switch, hence it does not support PRI  
signalling, it will pass it through and perform DACS functions very  
well. You can also buy their CMG card and turn into a gateway, but it  
will be MGCP not SIP. If using as a channel bank I strongly recommend  
their newer FXS-C cards, they support line testing and are the only  
diagnostics available for the FXS ports.

Also I hear Carrier Access is now Turin Networks.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-03 Thread Darren Wright
I've used Adit600's almost exclusively for my installs.   All have worked great 
for me.
 
-D
 



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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.



Just Google Quintum Tenor AX.  Well worth the money.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Al lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Im guessing T1cas not PRI,just because its giving 24 fxs per T1.
  Steve, what are my options for SIP to fxs?
  thank you!



  On 3/31/08, Doug Lytle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Don Pobanz wrote:
Doug Lytle wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 5:40 PM
   
   
   
This does not sound right. If it is 2 PRIs then it should be 46 channels
   
   
  
   I may have the terminology incorrect. I don't have a D channel, so I
   guess this would be called a T1 then?
  
   Doug
  
  
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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Totaro
Just Google Quintum Tenor AX.  Well worth the money.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Al lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Im guessing T1cas not PRI,just because its giving 24 fxs per T1.
  Steve, what are my options for SIP to fxs?
  thank you!



  On 3/31/08, Doug Lytle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Don Pobanz wrote:
Doug Lytle wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 5:40 PM
   
   
   
This does not sound right. If it is 2 PRIs then it should be 46 channels
   
   
  
   I may have the terminology incorrect. I don't have a D channel, so I
   guess this would be called a T1 then?
  
   Doug
  
  
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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-03 Thread Steve Totaro
I am sure they have until you for whatever business reason, you needed
to move 24 or 48 phones to a distant campus.

There is very little flexibility with T1 Adit solution.  Yes it works
well, no it is not flexible, no you you will never even close to what
the Quintum Tenor AX offers as far as features.

I think using SIP (or whatever protocol) over a voice T1 is kind of
the whole point of this VoIP Revolution.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Darren Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've used Adit600's almost exclusively for my installs.   All have worked 
 great for me.

  -D


  

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  Just Google Quintum Tenor AX.  Well worth the money.

  Thanks,
  Steve Totaro

  On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Al lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Im guessing T1cas not PRI,just because its giving 24 fxs per T1.
Steve, what are my options for SIP to fxs?
thank you!
  
  
  
On 3/31/08, Doug Lytle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Don Pobanz wrote:
  Doug Lytle wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 5:40 PM
 
 
 
  This does not sound right. If it is 2 PRIs then it should be 46 
 channels
 
 

 I may have the terminology incorrect. I don't have a D channel, so I
 guess this would be called a T1 then?

 Doug


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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-03 Thread Al lists
Darren and Jerry,
is it possible to post your config if its different than:
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+hardware+channel+bank+check

thank you!


On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Darren Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've used Adit600's almost exclusively for my installs.   All have worked
 great for me.

 -D


 

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 Sent: Thu 4/3/2008 10:01 AM
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 Just Google Quintum Tenor AX.  Well worth the money.

 Thanks,
 Steve Totaro

 On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Al lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Im guessing T1cas not PRI,just because its giving 24 fxs per T1.
   Steve, what are my options for SIP to fxs?
   thank you!
 
 
 
   On 3/31/08, Doug Lytle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don Pobanz wrote:
 Doug Lytle wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 5:40 PM



 This does not sound right. If it is 2 PRIs then it should be 46
 channels


   
I may have the terminology incorrect. I don't have a D channel, so I
guess this would be called a T1 then?
   
Doug
   
   
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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-02 Thread Andrew Latham
Here I will say it http://xorcom.com



On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Al lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm looking to install a system with 80 FXS analog phones.
 At this time the only cost effective solution is using a 4 port T1 card and
 addit 600 channel bank.
 Has anyone tried this solution? any good documents beside
 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+hardware+channel+bank+check
  as far as i know, addit 600 T1 interface is not PRI (please correct me if
 i'm wrong) its CAS robbed bit, will that work with new Digium quad T1 like
 TE410P ?( I prefer to use Digium if possible)
 The system is connected to the Telco through SIP trunk so all we have in
 terms of analog is local loop, Do we need to have echo cancel in this
 scenario ?
  Thanks!



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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-02 Thread Al lists
Its Nice, i agree, but we are looking at $4k to $5k with this.


On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Andrew Latham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here I will say it http://xorcom.com



 On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Al lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm looking to install a system with 80 FXS analog phones.
  At this time the only cost effective solution is using a 4 port T1 card
 and
  addit 600 channel bank.
  Has anyone tried this solution? any good documents beside
 
 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+hardware+channel+bank+check
   as far as i know, addit 600 T1 interface is not PRI (please correct me
 if
  i'm wrong) its CAS robbed bit, will that work with new Digium quad T1
 like
  TE410P ?( I prefer to use Digium if possible)
  The system is connected to the Telco through SIP trunk so all we have in
  terms of analog is local loop, Do we need to have echo cancel in this
  scenario ?
   Thanks!
 
 
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-02 Thread Alex Balashov
Yes, the Digium cards should support T1 CAS.

Andrew Latham wrote:
 Here I will say it http://xorcom.com
 
 
 
 On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Al lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm looking to install a system with 80 FXS analog phones.
 At this time the only cost effective solution is using a 4 port T1 card and
 addit 600 channel bank.
 Has anyone tried this solution? any good documents beside
 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+hardware+channel+bank+check
  as far as i know, addit 600 T1 interface is not PRI (please correct me if
 i'm wrong) its CAS robbed bit, will that work with new Digium quad T1 like
 TE410P ?( I prefer to use Digium if possible)
 The system is connected to the Telco through SIP trunk so all we have in
 terms of analog is local loop, Do we need to have echo cancel in this
 scenario ?
  Thanks!



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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-02 Thread Edwin Lam
Andrew Latham wrote:
 Here I will say it http://xorcom.com

alternatively:
http://www.audiocodes.com/objects/30010_DS_MP-11X,%20MP-124D.pdf

 On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Al lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm looking to install a system with 80 FXS analog phones.
 At this time the only cost effective solution is using a 4 port T1 card and
 addit 600 channel bank.
 Has anyone tried this solution? any good documents beside
 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+hardware+channel+bank+check
  as far as i know, addit 600 T1 interface is not PRI (please correct me if
 i'm wrong) its CAS robbed bit, will that work with new Digium quad T1 like
 TE410P ?( I prefer to use Digium if possible)
 The system is connected to the Telco through SIP trunk so all we have in
 terms of analog is local loop, Do we need to have echo cancel in this
 scenario ?


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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-02 Thread Al lists
Bad memories from AudioCodec :)


On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Edwin Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Andrew Latham wrote:
  Here I will say it http://xorcom.com

 alternatively:
 http://www.audiocodes.com/objects/30010_DS_MP-11X,%20MP-124D.pdf

  On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Al lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm looking to install a system with 80 FXS analog phones.
  At this time the only cost effective solution is using a 4 port T1 card
 and
  addit 600 channel bank.
  Has anyone tried this solution? any good documents beside
 
 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+hardware+channel+bank+check
   as far as i know, addit 600 T1 interface is not PRI (please correct me
 if
  i'm wrong) its CAS robbed bit, will that work with new Digium quad T1
 like
  TE410P ?( I prefer to use Digium if possible)
  The system is connected to the Telco through SIP trunk so all we have
 in
  terms of analog is local loop, Do we need to have echo cancel in this
  scenario ?


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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-04-02 Thread Alex Balashov
Al lists wrote:

 Bad memories from AudioCodec :)

Por que?  I'm curious.


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[asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-03-31 Thread Al lists
I'm looking to install a system with 80 FXS analog phones.
At this time the only cost effective solution is using a 4 port T1 card and
addit 600 channel bank.
Has anyone tried this solution? any good documents beside
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+hardware+channel+bank+check
as far as i know, addit 600 T1 interface is not PRI (please correct me if
i'm wrong) its CAS robbed bit, will that work with new Digium quad T1 like
TE410P ?( I prefer to use Digium if possible)
The system is connected to the Telco through SIP trunk so all we have in
terms of analog is local loop, Do we need to have echo cancel in this
scenario ?
Thanks!
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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-03-31 Thread Doug Lytle
Al lists wrote:
 I'm looking to install a system with 80 FXS analog phones.

Each channel bank can handle 48 analog channels, 2 PRIs per box.


 as far as i know, addit 600 T1 interface is not PRI (please correct me 
 if i'm wrong) its CAS robbed bit, will that work with new Digium quad 
 T1 like TE410P ?( I prefer to use Digium if possible)

This is incorrect.  I've got ours setup at a PRI.  esf, b8zs.


 The system is connected to the Telco through SIP trunk so all we have 
 in terms of analog is local loop, Do we need to have echo cancel in 
 this scenario ?


I'd say anything with analog will need EC.  If you can afford it on a 
quad card, I would.

Doug


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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-03-31 Thread Don Pobanz
Doug Lytle wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 5:40 PM
 Al lists wrote:
 I'm looking to install a system with 80 FXS analog phones.
 
 Each channel bank can handle 48 analog channels, 2 PRIs per box.
 
 as far as i know, addit 600 T1 interface is not PRI (please 
 correct me 
 if i'm wrong) its CAS robbed bit, will that work with new 
 Digium quad 
 T1 like TE410P ?( I prefer to use Digium if possible)
 
 This is incorrect.  I've got ours setup at a PRI.  esf, b8zs.
 

This does not sound right. If it is 2 PRIs then it should be 46 channels
(or 47 channels if sharing a D channel). A quick google search indicates
that these channel banks can deal with PRI in a drop and insert mode
only, not for termination. (I use Adtran channel banks which are not PRI
so I may be confused here). 

Don Pobanz

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-03-31 Thread Steve Totaro
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Al lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm looking to install a system with 80 FXS analog phones.
 At this time the only cost effective solution is using a 4 port T1 card and
 addit 600 channel bank.
 Has anyone tried this solution? any good documents beside
 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+hardware+channel+bank+check
  as far as i know, addit 600 T1 interface is not PRI (please correct me if
 i'm wrong) its CAS robbed bit, will that work with new Digium quad T1 like
 TE410P ?( I prefer to use Digium if possible)
 The system is connected to the Telco through SIP trunk so all we have in
 terms of analog is local loop, Do we need to have echo cancel in this
 scenario ?
  Thanks!


I am not sure of your budget but I would go with a SIP to FXS gateway
such as the Quintum Tenor AX.  If you consider the amount you would be
paying for the T1 card and the Adits, it may not be that big of a
difference and certainly more simple.

Disclaimer, I have not done a price comparison or done the channel
bank solution on that scale (only 24 ports for me) but the SIP-FXS is
so much better in my opinion.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-03-31 Thread Doug Lytle
Don Pobanz wrote:
 Doug Lytle wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 5:40 PM
   
 

 This does not sound right. If it is 2 PRIs then it should be 46 channels

   

I may have the terminology incorrect.  I don't have a D channel, so I 
guess this would be called a T1 then?

Doug


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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-03-31 Thread Lyle Giese
Doug Lytle wrote:
 Don Pobanz wrote:
   
 Doug Lytle wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 5:40 PM
   
 
 
   
 This does not sound right. If it is 2 PRIs then it should be 46 channels

   
 

 I may have the terminology incorrect.  I don't have a D channel, so I 
 guess this would be called a T1 then?

 Doug


   
A channel bank does not do ISDN. You will be using what is called a
channelized T1. You will probably set it up as 24 voice channels useing
ESF  B8ZS.

When you use a channelized T1, each channel carries it's own signaling
state and called number info is sent over the voice path(unless you have
rotatory phones). Caller ID is also sent out via the voice channel.

ISDN puts all the signaling on a single data stream called the D channel
and you need to have two phone switches that talk to each other over the
D channel. The signaling channel carries the calling and called number
as well as the busy/idle state for each of the voice channels.
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Re: [asterisk-users] Need some input for Quad T1 and channel banks.

2008-03-31 Thread Al lists
Im guessing T1cas not PRI,just because its giving 24 fxs per T1.
Steve, what are my options for SIP to fxs?
thank you!

On 3/31/08, Doug Lytle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Don Pobanz wrote:
  Doug Lytle wrote on Monday, March 31, 2008 5:40 PM
 
 
 
  This does not sound right. If it is 2 PRIs then it should be 46 channels
 
 

 I may have the terminology incorrect. I don't have a D channel, so I
 guess this would be called a T1 then?

 Doug


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