Re: [asterisk-users] New Tutorial: Asterisk on EPIA VIA C3
Darrick Hartman (lists) wrote: snip / I didn't find it too much trouble in a Via C700N system. But I wouldn't use one of the mainstream distros for the OS. They chew up system resources just trying to accommodate any hardware. The solution is to roll-your-own. See this series of articles on my blog... http://www.theopensourcerer.com/tag/asterisk/ The C7 supports full i686 features. The C3 is an older chip that is fully i586 and partially i686 compatible. If you have a distribution that is compiled with i586 optimizations, you won't have problems. Darrick Yeah, hi Darrick. I sort of realised after my post what the issue was with the C3. Although my point about not using a regular distro still stands. If you roll your own, all the features of the host hardware can be used - perhaps more importantly, *only* those features - and your kernel and compiler appropriately optimised. Regular distros are great (I use Ubuntu on my desktop pc) but they do have to try and be all things to all men and suck up cycles and ram like the latest Dyson ;-) But for a low power 24/7 server that I won't be playing much with; a custom build is just fine. Consider that I have running concurrently on my little C7 with 1G of RAM (That I have *down-clocked* to 1Ghz): * Asterisk, * Samba, * Java/Tomcat: *Cosmo Calendar Server *ConcursiveSuiteCRM *Alfresco *OpenBravo * PostgreSQL, * MySQL, * Exim, * Apache, * Vtiger, SugarCRM, A few Joomla! instances, * Subversion Server * sshd, * ntpd, And some other stuff that I can't recall. I don't think that's too bad ;-) When I get some more free time, I'm planning to build Untangle too. Cheers Al -- The way out is open! http://www.theopensourcerer.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] New Tutorial: Asterisk on EPIA VIA C3
Apart from the tutorial itself, what I wanted to point out was that the way asterisk, zaptel and libpri are to be built is different for each project, and this is sub-optimal; and that by building Asterisk as required, you get a linkage error. l. On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:03:59 +0100, Alan Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lenz wrote: Hello list, after spending the best part of an afternoon trying to build Asterisk on an old EPIA VIA C3, I thought that writing a tutorial would make life easier for future compilers: http://astrecipes.net/index.php?n=356 I had never compiled Asterisk for a different architecture, and I'm pretty disappointed at how complex it is - building Zaptel, Libpri and Asterisk requires discovering three different procedures, and even passing the required architecture to the autoconfig module was not enough for a clean build - libpthread and libresolv would not link, so you have to add them manually. Aybody got an idea of who should be notified of this immediate problem, apart for the time-wasteful general compilation procedure? Thanks l. Hi there, I didn't find it too much trouble in a Via C700N system. But I wouldn't use one of the mainstream distros for the OS. They chew up system resources just trying to accommodate any hardware. The solution is to roll-your-own. See this series of articles on my blog... http://www.theopensourcerer.com/tag/asterisk/ Cheers Al -- Loway Research - Home of QueueMetrics http://queuemetrics.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] New Tutorial: Asterisk on EPIA VIA C3
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 09:11:00AM +0100, Alan Lord wrote: Darrick Hartman (lists) wrote: snip / I didn't find it too much trouble in a Via C700N system. But I wouldn't use one of the mainstream distros for the OS. They chew up system resources just trying to accommodate any hardware. The solution is to roll-your-own. See this series of articles on my blog... http://www.theopensourcerer.com/tag/asterisk/ The C7 supports full i686 features. The C3 is an older chip that is fully i586 and partially i686 compatible. If you have a distribution that is compiled with i586 optimizations, you won't have problems. Darrick Yeah, hi Darrick. I sort of realised after my post what the issue was with the C3. Although my point about not using a regular distro still stands. If you roll your own, all the features of the host hardware can be used - perhaps more importantly, *only* those features - and your kernel and compiler appropriately optimised. Regular distros are great (I use Ubuntu on my desktop pc) but they do have to try and be all things to all men and suck up cycles and ram like the latest Dyson ;-) But for a low power 24/7 server that I won't be playing much with; a custom build is just fine. You can easily take a standard distro and remove all the services you don't really need. Consider that I have running concurrently on my little C7 with 1G of RAM (That I have *down-clocked* to 1Ghz): One major point: one of the cool advantages of the VIA CPUs is that it can be run fanless. In your setup you couple it with a large HD, and hence your system has moving parts. * Asterisk, * Samba, * Java/Tomcat: *Cosmo Calendar Server *ConcursiveSuiteCRM *Alfresco *OpenBravo * PostgreSQL, * MySQL, * Exim, * Apache, * Vtiger, SugarCRM, A few Joomla! instances, * Subversion Server * sshd, * ntpd, Now, why would you run all of those things on the same system? Asterisk needs a responsive system. It will not play along well if you add heavy-duty file serving to the system, as the system will spend too much time serving files (in kernel space). There's a limit to what you can optimize away with real-time kernel features. Oh, and practically all of those can be installed as standard Debian packages, without a need for such a lengthy installation manual. I bet that in 1/2 a year after you install it, you'll end up with a system with quite a few known security holes. But you'll never bother fixing them. Xandros is one such vendor that never bothered following up on security fixes. Hence the eeepc was an easy target for exploiters. Need I say that I will not advise anyone to use software from Xandros? -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] New Tutorial: Asterisk on EPIA VIA C3
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: snip / You can easily take a standard distro and remove all the services you don't really need. Yes, but you can't easily change the way the apps are built or setup, e.g. compiler optimisations, use of initrd when not necessary, kernel bloat just to accommodate any host. Consider that I have running concurrently on my little C7 with 1G of RAM (That I have *down-clocked* to 1Ghz): One major point: one of the cool advantages of the VIA CPUs is that it can be run fanless. In your setup you couple it with a large HD, and hence your system has moving parts. No. Fanless is useful, but it is power consumption I am more interested in. A typical AMD/Intel desktop processor will now chew upwards of 100W. That's without the mobo and external components. Also, can you find 300Gb of solid state storage for about £30. ;-) * Asterisk, * Samba, * Java/Tomcat: *Cosmo Calendar Server *ConcursiveSuiteCRM *Alfresco *OpenBravo * PostgreSQL, * MySQL, * Exim, * Apache, * Vtiger, SugarCRM, A few Joomla! instances, * Subversion Server * sshd, * ntpd, Now, why would you run all of those things on the same system? Because it is for home use where there is low, but relatively constant load (my wife and I both have home offices). Some of the apps are for testing/evaluation so do not get used heavily and will not last very long. I just wanted to show what is possible with a sub £100 7Watt piece of hardware. Asterisk needs a responsive system. It will not play along well if you add heavy-duty file serving to the system, as the system will spend too much time serving files (in kernel space). I have not experienced *any* performance issues - so far. And uptime is permanent - until I reboot as I've installed a new kernel or something. Oh, and practically all of those can be installed as standard Debian packages, without a need for such a lengthy installation manual. Yes, they can. But I might not like where and how Debian (for example) decides how and where they install and setup those apps. They also do not use the most up-to-date versions and you are in their hands about when and how to upgrade. I bet that in 1/2 a year after you install it, you'll end up with a system with quite a few known security holes. But you'll never bother fixing them. How much ;-) Seriously, if I find or notice for a major bug/hole it is trivial to update. I keep all my installation procedures noted (or scripted) so it is pretty easy just to a CMMI with a new version. I wouldn't recommend this route for everyone. But being a control freak I know what and where *everything* is on my server... I don't have that level of control when using a mainstream distro. Sudo apt-get install is nice, but you are totally ignorant about what's going on under the hood... Hey that sounds just like Windows! lol. Cheers Al -- The way out is open! http://www.theopensourcerer.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] New Tutorial: Asterisk on EPIA VIA C3
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Alan Lord wrote: Also, can you find 300Gb of solid state storage for about £30. ;-) Where?? Gordon___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] New Tutorial: Asterisk on EPIA VIA C3
Gordon Henderson wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Alan Lord wrote: Also, can you find 300Gb of solid state storage for about £30. ;-) Where?? Gordon Sorry my bad. It was a question... Al -- The way out is open! http://www.theopensourcerer.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] New Tutorial: Asterisk on EPIA VIA C3
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Alan Lord wrote: Gordon Henderson wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Alan Lord wrote: Also, can you find 300Gb of solid state storage for about £30. ;-) Where?? Gordon Sorry my bad. It was a question... Ah, Doh... I mis-read it all.. Curse my dyslexia! However I've moved my own workstations and dev. servers over to running Debian in a 4GB device with /home mounted on a similar spec. server as yours (1GHz Via C3 - same platform as my PBXs) which also boots off flash with a pair of low-power WD SATA drives in it ... Seems to work just fine! Gordon___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] New Tutorial: Asterisk on EPIA VIA C3
Alan Lord wrote: Lenz wrote: Hello list, after spending the best part of an afternoon trying to build Asterisk on an old EPIA VIA C3, I thought that writing a tutorial would make life easier for future compilers: http://astrecipes.net/index.php?n=356 I had never compiled Asterisk for a different architecture, and I'm pretty disappointed at how complex it is - building Zaptel, Libpri and Asterisk requires discovering three different procedures, and even passing the required architecture to the autoconfig module was not enough for a clean build - libpthread and libresolv would not link, so you have to add them manually. Aybody got an idea of who should be notified of this immediate problem, apart for the time-wasteful general compilation procedure? Thanks l. Hi there, I didn't find it too much trouble in a Via C700N system. But I wouldn't use one of the mainstream distros for the OS. They chew up system resources just trying to accommodate any hardware. The solution is to roll-your-own. See this series of articles on my blog... http://www.theopensourcerer.com/tag/asterisk/ The C7 supports full i686 features. The C3 is an older chip that is fully i586 and partially i686 compatible. If you have a distribution that is compiled with i586 optimizations, you won't have problems. Darrick -- Darrick Hartman DJH Solutions, LLC http://www.djhsolutions.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] New Tutorial: Asterisk on EPIA VIA C3
Lenz wrote: Hello list, after spending the best part of an afternoon trying to build Asterisk on an old EPIA VIA C3, I thought that writing a tutorial would make life easier for future compilers: http://astrecipes.net/index.php?n=356 I had never compiled Asterisk for a different architecture, and I'm pretty disappointed at how complex it is - building Zaptel, Libpri and Asterisk requires discovering three different procedures, and even passing the required architecture to the autoconfig module was not enough for a clean build - libpthread and libresolv would not link, so you have to add them manually. Aybody got an idea of who should be notified of this immediate problem, apart for the time-wasteful general compilation procedure? Thanks l. Hi there, I didn't find it too much trouble in a Via C700N system. But I wouldn't use one of the mainstream distros for the OS. They chew up system resources just trying to accommodate any hardware. The solution is to roll-your-own. See this series of articles on my blog... http://www.theopensourcerer.com/tag/asterisk/ Cheers Al -- The way out is open! http://www.theopensourcerer.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] New Tutorial: Asterisk on EPIA VIA C3
Hello list, after spending the best part of an afternoon trying to build Asterisk on an old EPIA VIA C3, I thought that writing a tutorial would make life easier for future compilers: http://astrecipes.net/index.php?n=356 I had never compiled Asterisk for a different architecture, and I'm pretty disappointed at how complex it is - building Zaptel, Libpri and Asterisk requires discovering three different procedures, and even passing the required architecture to the autoconfig module was not enough for a clean build - libpthread and libresolv would not link, so you have to add them manually. Aybody got an idea of who should be notified of this immediate problem, apart for the time-wasteful general compilation procedure? Thanks l. -- Loway Research - Home of QueueMetrics http://queuemetrics.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
