Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
You're using phones that draw 15Watts?!?! Let me know what brand this is so I can stay away from them. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, David Gibbons d...@videon-central.comwrote: There is no such device -- it's outside of the POE spec. Class 3 devices are allowed to consume at max 15.4W. Most phones are class 3 devices. The math just doesn't work out. Even if you used the draft standard for class 4 (~30W), you could still power max 2 devices at 15W/ea. -Dave On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Matt mhop...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an interesting situation where I have one cable run from the feed area to the service area. I have three devices that I need to power at the service area. Is anyone aware of a device that will take the POE from the cable run and then allow me to split it to two or three devices at the service end? When I search for splitter all I get are the injectors, but I figure someone has to make something I realize I'll need a power adapter with enough amps to power the full load at the end. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
It's not necessarily this simple. There is an approximately 50-75foot cable run through ceilings and walls (CAT5) to the location where the phones will be. At the phone location there is no power. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:33 PM, David Backeberg dbackeb...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Matt mhop...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an interesting situation where I have one cable run from the feed area to the service area. I have three devices that I need to power at the service area. Is anyone aware of a device that will take the POE from the cable run and then allow me to split it to two or three devices at the service end? The obvious answer is don't do that. *buy DC power bricks for the phones / devices *buy a small PoE switch for the area, plugged into the single ethernet cable as a trunk *pull more cable from the original endpoint Any of those three will be more reliable and predictable when debugging than inventing your own PoE solution. I've tried to invent my own PoE solution using a soldering iron and bulk ethernet cable. Take it from me, don't go down that road. Yes, you will learn all manner of interesting things about DC voltage loss over distance, blah, blah, blah. Your time is almost undoubtedly worth more money than you'll save by pursuing the 'conventional approaches'. Just don't do it. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
On 07/23/2010 02:46 PM, Matt wrote: It's not necessarily this simple. There is an approximately 50-75foot cable run through ceilings and walls (CAT5) to the location where the phones will be. At the phone location there is no power. I thought it was fairly obvious, but search for PoE extractor. Here's an example: http://www.shireeninc.com/poe-extractor.html -- Kevin P. Fleming Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA skype: kpfleming | jabber: kflem...@digium.com Check us out at www.digium.com www.asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Matt mhop...@gmail.com wrote: It's not necessarily this simple. There is an approximately 50-75foot cable run through ceilings and walls (CAT5) to the location where the phones will be. At the phone location there is no power. You always have options. You just have to decide what is more difficult: * moving the phone/devices somewhere else. Easiest solution. * having an electrician pull AC power to the location, then use DC power bricks or PoE switch * having a data cable person pull more ethernet to the location If you already have one ethernet cable that managed to make that 50-75 foot run, then clearly it can be done, and a professional could even use that cable to yank three more along the same run, and then you're all set. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
You can also use Ethernet Over Power Lines solution or wireless :-) On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:55 AM, David Backeberg dbackeb...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Matt mhop...@gmail.com wrote: It's not necessarily this simple. There is an approximately 50-75foot cable run through ceilings and walls (CAT5) to the location where the phones will be. At the phone location there is no power. You always have options. You just have to decide what is more difficult: * moving the phone/devices somewhere else. Easiest solution. * having an electrician pull AC power to the location, then use DC power bricks or PoE switch * having a data cable person pull more ethernet to the location If you already have one ethernet cable that managed to make that 50-75 foot run, then clearly it can be done, and a professional could even use that cable to yank three more along the same run, and then you're all set. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
On 07/23/2010 04:40 PM, bruce bruce wrote: You can also use Ethernet Over Power Lines solution or wireless :-) His issue wasn't getting the network connection delivered, it was the power :-) -- Kevin P. Fleming Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA skype: kpfleming | jabber: kflem...@digium.com Check us out at www.digium.com www.asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010, Matt wrote: It's not necessarily this simple. There is an approximately 50-75foot cable run through ceilings and walls (CAT5) to the location where the phones will be. At the phone location there is no power. Why not use analogue phones? Get some nice ones with caller ID display and use a multi-port ATA. I did that for a site recently - they had power, but the cable run was 175m. One cat-5 = 4 pairs = 4 phones. How many do you need? Gordon -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 17:41 -0500, Karl Fife wrote: enough amps to power the full load at the end. You could do someting with passive POE--in other words not 802.2af POE, but rather the 'dumb' kind of POE which just injects power on the unused pairs. Passive POE (being passive) does not have a hard wattage limit per drop limitation imposed by 802.2af. On the far end, you could split out the power to run a 4-port 802.11af POE switch. Passive POE would preclude GigE, but at least you wouldn't have to add ethernet drops. In theory you could preserve GigE by looking for a IEEE 802.3at [sic] switch. IEEE 802.3at allows 36 watts per port, but good luck finding (or affording) a 802.3at-powered 3-port 802.2af POE switch even if all 3 downstream devices don't draw the maximum wattage simultaneously :-) afaicr there are not a lot of hard phones doing 1Gb, And POE-switches that can do 1Gb resembles a jumbo-jet compares to other planes; Both in price an amount of noise... -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
Sounds like a great ear warmer!!! Hell, you can probably grill a panini with it if you're patient. On 7/23/10 6:39 AM, Matt wrote: You're using phones that draw 15Watts?!?! Let me know what brand this is so I can stay away from them. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, David Gibbons d...@videon-central.com mailto:d...@videon-central.com wrote: There is no such device -- it's outside of the POE spec. Class 3 devices are allowed to consume at max 15.4W. Most phones are class 3 devices. The math just doesn't work out. Even if you used the draft standard for class 4 (~30W), you could still power max 2 devices at 15W/ea. -Dave On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Matt mhop...@gmail.com mailto:mhop...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an interesting situation where I have one cable run from the feed area to the service area. I have three devices that I need to power at the service area. Is anyone aware of a device that will take the POE from the cable run and then allow me to split it to two or three devices at the service end? When I search for splitter all I get are the injectors, but I figure someone has to make something I realize I'll need a power adapter with enough amps to power the full load at the end. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] POE Splitters
I've got an interesting situation where I have one cable run from the feed area to the service area. I have three devices that I need to power at the service area. Is anyone aware of a device that will take the POE from the cable run and then allow me to split it to two or three devices at the service end? When I search for splitter all I get are the injectors, but I figure someone has to make something I realize I'll need a power adapter with enough amps to power the full load at the end. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
There is no such device -- it's outside of the POE spec. Class 3 devices are allowed to consume at max 15.4W. Most phones are class 3 devices. The math just doesn't work out. Even if you used the draft standard for class 4 (~30W), you could still power max 2 devices at 15W/ea. -Dave On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Matt mhop...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an interesting situation where I have one cable run from the feed area to the service area. I have three devices that I need to power at the service area. Is anyone aware of a device that will take the POE from the cable run and then allow me to split it to two or three devices at the service end? When I search for splitter all I get are the injectors, but I figure someone has to make something I realize I'll need a power adapter with enough amps to power the full load at the end. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
Will your single POE port even supply enough power to three devices without complaining? Plus, what about the data? Sounds as if you will need a smaller switch in the service area to supply power and data John Novack Matt wrote: I've got an interesting situation where I have one cable run from the feed area to the service area. I have three devices that I need to power at the service area. Is anyone aware of a device that will take the POE from the cable run and then allow me to split it to two or three devices at the service end? When I search for splitter all I get are the injectors, but I figure someone has to make something I realize I'll need a power adapter with enough amps to power the full load at the end. -- Dog is my Co-pilot -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
The Snom 360 phone in front of me draws 4w... ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com * Learn more about OSS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software * Learn more about Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux * Learn more about Tux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, David Gibbons d...@videon-central.com wrote: There is no such device -- it's outside of the POE spec. Class 3 devices are allowed to consume at max 15.4W. Most phones are class 3 devices. The math just doesn't work out. Even if you used the draft standard for class 4 (~30W), you could still power max 2 devices at 15W/ea. -Dave On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Matt mhop...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an interesting situation where I have one cable run from the feed area to the service area. I have three devices that I need to power at the service area. Is anyone aware of a device that will take the POE from the cable run and then allow me to split it to two or three devices at the service end? When I search for splitter all I get are the injectors, but I figure someone has to make something I realize I'll need a power adapter with enough amps to power the full load at the end. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
- Original Message - From: David Gibbons d...@videon-central.com To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters There is no such device -- it's outside of the POE spec. Class 3 devices are allowed to consume at max 15.4W. Most phones are class 3 devices. The math just doesn't work out. Even if you used the draft standard for class 4 (~30W), you could still power max 2 devices at 15W/ea. -Dave On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Matt mhop...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an interesting situation where I have one cable run from the feed area to the service area. I have three devices that I need to power at the service area. Is anyone aware of a device that will take the POE from the cable run and then allow me to split it to two or three devices at the service end? When I search for splitter all I get are the injectors, but I figure someone has to make something I realize I'll need a power adapter with enough amps to power the full load at the end. You could do someting with passive POE--in other words not 802.2af POE, but rather the 'dumb' kind of POE which just injects power on the unused pairs. Passive POE (being passive) does not have a hard wattage limit per drop limitation imposed by 802.2af. On the far end, you could split out the power to run a 4-port 802.11af POE switch. Passive POE would preclude GigE, but at least you wouldn't have to add ethernet drops. In theory you could preserve GigE by looking for a IEEE 802.3at [sic] switch. IEEE 802.3at allows 36 watts per port, but good luck finding (or affording) a 802.3at-powered 3-port 802.2af POE switch even if all 3 downstream devices don't draw the maximum wattage simultaneously :-) -Karl -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
The Aastra 53i draws only 2 Watts from a Linksys 24 port POE switch. 25 phones is around 55 Watts. -Bruce On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.com wrote: The Snom 360 phone in front of me draws 4w... ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com * Learn more about OSS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software * Learn more about Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux * Learn more about Tux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, David Gibbons d...@videon-central.com wrote: There is no such device -- it's outside of the POE spec. Class 3 devices are allowed to consume at max 15.4W. Most phones are class 3 devices. The math just doesn't work out. Even if you used the draft standard for class 4 (~30W), you could still power max 2 devices at 15W/ea. -Dave On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Matt mhop...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an interesting situation where I have one cable run from the feed area to the service area. I have three devices that I need to power at the service area. Is anyone aware of a device that will take the POE from the cable run and then allow me to split it to two or three devices at the service end? When I search for splitter all I get are the injectors, but I figure someone has to make something I realize I'll need a power adapter with enough amps to power the full load at the end. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
Sometimes it doesn't matter what the device actually draws as much as what it declares itself to be to the upstream switch. For example, most polycom phones draw under 9 watts but in practice they declare themselves to the switch as requiring the full 15.4 watts allowed by 802.11af class 1. I've seen but never used the 3Com Netjacks, which seem like a possibly nice solution to this kind of problem. They not only accept inbound POE, but can have their own power supply and provide POE to several downstream devices. Michael --Original Message Text--- From: bruce bruce Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:09:07 -0400 The Aastra 53i draws only 2 Watts from a Linksys 24 port POE switch. 25 phones is around 55 Watts. -Bruce On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.com wrote: The Snom 360 phone in front of me draws 4w... ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com * Learn more about OSS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software * Learn more about Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux * Learn more about Tux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:58 PM, David Gibbons d...@videon-central.com wrote: There is no such device -- it's outside of the POE spec. Class 3 devices are allowed to consume at max 15.4W. Most phones are class 3 devices. The math just doesn't work out. Even if you used the draft standard for class 4 (~30W), you could still power max 2 devices at 15W/ea. -Dave On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Matt mhop...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an interesting situation where I have one cable run from the feed area to the service area. I have three devices that I need to power at the service area. Is anyone aware of a device that will take the POE from the cable run and then allow me to split it to two or three devices at the service end? When I search for splitter all I get are the injectors, but I figure someone has to make something I realize I'll need a power adapter with enough amps to power the full load at the end. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Michael Graves mgravesatmstvp.com http://www.mgraves.org o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:mgra...@mstvp.onsip.com skype mjgraves Twitter mjgraves -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] POE Splitters
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Matt mhop...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an interesting situation where I have one cable run from the feed area to the service area. I have three devices that I need to power at the service area. Is anyone aware of a device that will take the POE from the cable run and then allow me to split it to two or three devices at the service end? The obvious answer is don't do that. *buy DC power bricks for the phones / devices *buy a small PoE switch for the area, plugged into the single ethernet cable as a trunk *pull more cable from the original endpoint Any of those three will be more reliable and predictable when debugging than inventing your own PoE solution. I've tried to invent my own PoE solution using a soldering iron and bulk ethernet cable. Take it from me, don't go down that road. Yes, you will learn all manner of interesting things about DC voltage loss over distance, blah, blah, blah. Your time is almost undoubtedly worth more money than you'll save by pursuing the 'conventional approaches'. Just don't do it. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
