Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Is there a low cost cell phone base station for asterisk ?

2007-01-10 Thread Eric \"ManxPower\" Wieling

M.Hockings wrote:

Dumpolid Exeplish wrote:

It is true what Eric and Steve have said, you do need a licensed GSM
frequency to operate and sell GSM services (even for rural areas).
however, this link might be of interest to you

http://rfdesign.com/mag/radio_field_trials_allsoftware/



That is more what I was thinking of but it is still a cell provider type 
of hardware.  In my mind I was thinking of something very low powered 
and turning off the roaming, etc on the phone so they only work with the 
one base.   Think single cell base-station transceiver that can talk to 
a cell phone and turn it into a sip conversation to Asterisk.  Here in 
Canada, and back years ago, when I worked with radio I think the law was 
something like less than 100mw of input power didn't require a license. 
 However, with the advent of cell phones that could very well not be the 
case in those bands.  But one never knows...


In any case I'll probably lean towards something like the Engenius 
wireless phones.


http://www.engeniustech.com/telecom/products/details.aspx?id=107


Those things are somewhere around US$500

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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Is there a low cost cell phone base station for asterisk ?

2007-01-10 Thread Time Bandit

The phone in question just prepended 010whatever to ALL phone numbers
dialled, which makes it pretty crappy to use with a line that does not
allow for network selection codes, or on lines that need a "0" for a
POTS line.

You could use it as an extension on Asterisk and strip that pre-pended
number from your dialed number.

Nice way to screw their attempt to screw you :)
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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Is there a low cost cell phone base station for asterisk ?

2007-01-10 Thread Anselm Martin Hoffmeister
Am Mittwoch, den 10.01.2007, 18:44 -0500 schrieb cb:
> On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:33 PM, M.Hockings wrote:

> But as far as I can tell, there is nothing requiring you to use the  
> service, if you choose not to, they work just like a normal cordless  
> phone.

There was a similar business model here in Germany: Cordless Phones for
near-to-nothing. The catch was they had a fixed prefix code.

As explanation: You can choose one of about 100 or so network operators
to put your call through by pre-pending 010xx or 0100xx to the regular
phone number.

The phone in question just prepended 010whatever to ALL phone numbers
dialled, which makes it pretty crappy to use with a line that does not
allow for network selection codes, or on lines that need a "0" for a
POTS line.

Besides, you were fixed to their per-minute prices, instead of being
able to choose other providers with up to 70% lower prices.

I was not too sad when the base station power adaptor deceaded... :)

Regards
Anselm

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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Is there a low cost cell phone base station for asterisk ?

2007-01-10 Thread cb

On Jan 10, 2007, at 6:33 PM, M.Hockings wrote:

But it would have been slick to be able to use the old analogue  
cell phones as we have several unused here and I am sure they would  
be cheap or free to pick up more.


I don't know about in Canada, but around here (NJ, USA), there has  
been a company selling cordless phones for next to nothing recently.  
I think the company was ATS or something like that. They appear to be  
fairly standard 2 GHz cordless phones that are meant to be plugged  
into a traditional POTS line. They have been available anywhere from  
free after rebates to as low as just a few dollars at the register.


I think the catch with them is, they all have a speed dial button  
that activates some cheap prepaid calling service. So the company is  
pushing the phones out as cheap as possible in order to get them into  
people's hands, with the hopes that they will then use the prepaid  
calling service that is built into them.


But as far as I can tell, there is nothing requiring you to use the  
service, if you choose not to, they work just like a normal cordless  
phone.



Could be an easy way to pick up a few cheap phones as long as you  
have some kind of FXS device to connect them to Asterisk (and that  
also assumes you can get them at all in Canada).


-chris



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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Is there a low cost cell phone base station for asterisk ?

2007-01-10 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 06:33:05PM -0500, M.Hockings wrote:

> That is more what I was thinking of but it is still a cell provider type 
> of hardware.  In my mind I was thinking of something very low powered 
> and turning off the roaming, etc on the phone so they only work with the 
> one base.   Think single cell base-station transceiver that can talk to 
> a cell phone and turn it into a sip conversation to Asterisk.  Here in 
> Canada, and back years ago, when I worked with radio I think the law was 
> something like less than 100mw of input power didn't require a license. 
>  However, with the advent of cell phones that could very well not be 
> the case in those bands.  But one never knows...

PicoCell have a reference design for a pico GSM basestation, but any
country allowing cell phones will require licensing (even for low
power).

You'd have to pick frequencies not used by any network and that may be
problematic.


Steve

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[asterisk-users] Re: Is there a low cost cell phone base station for asterisk ?

2007-01-10 Thread M.Hockings

Dumpolid Exeplish wrote:

It is true what Eric and Steve have said, you do need a licensed GSM
frequency to operate and sell GSM services (even for rural areas).
however, this link might be of interest to you

http://rfdesign.com/mag/radio_field_trials_allsoftware/



That is more what I was thinking of but it is still a cell provider type 
of hardware.  In my mind I was thinking of something very low powered 
and turning off the roaming, etc on the phone so they only work with the 
one base.   Think single cell base-station transceiver that can talk to 
a cell phone and turn it into a sip conversation to Asterisk.  Here in 
Canada, and back years ago, when I worked with radio I think the law was 
something like less than 100mw of input power didn't require a license. 
 However, with the advent of cell phones that could very well not be 
the case in those bands.  But one never knows...


In any case I'll probably lean towards something like the Engenius 
wireless phones.


http://www.engeniustech.com/telecom/products/details.aspx?id=107

But it would have been slick to be able to use the old analogue cell 
phones as we have several unused here and I am sure they would be cheap 
or free to pick up more.


Thanks to all for your input

Mike

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