Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?

2009-06-17 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 04:09:46PM -0700, Darryl Dunkin wrote:
> hardhdlc is for a BRI, use dchan=24 instead to set the d-channel.

hardhdlc is *NOT* BRI-specific.

In ISDN (BRI/PRI) messages on the D channel are encoded in HDLC:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDLC

Zaptel originally decoded the HDLC stream in software. The D channel can
be any channel. And Zaptel is responsible for decoding its bits.

Some BRI- and E1/T1-handling chips already handle the HDLC decoding on
their own. With the Cologne HFC-* chips it is actually the only
practical way to work, IIRC. The chips used by Digium and Sangoma
E1/J1/T1 adapters also support it as an optional mode.

The bristuff patch thus added an extra code path to pass the D channel
information as if it were a standard PCM channel. Sangoma had their own
patch that added a hook from the driver in almost the same place (by
ugly means of an ioctl, to reduce the size of the patch).

As of Zaptel 1.4 Zaptel added support for "hardhdlc", which is really
"allow the driver to pass the D channel on it own". The driver provides
its own callbacks to handle the D channel.


So in short: hardhdlc is practically required on HFC-based BRI drivers.
Some drivers don't use it but fake it (the bri_dchan patch, originally
from bristuff). For Digium E1/J1/T1 drivers it seems to be optional.
Likewise for Sangoma (but the default). But you must not get it wrong.

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Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?

2009-06-17 Thread Jim Dickenson
Changing to dchan=24 and rebooting the system caused the inability to make a
call and this error
WARNING[3978]: app_dial.c:1468 dial_exec_full: Unable to create channel of
type 'Dahdi' (cause 34 - Circuit/channel congestion)

Changing it back and rebooting allow me to place calls again.
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> From: Darryl Dunkin 
> Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> 
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:09:46 -0700
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> 
> Conversation: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
> 
> hardhdlc is for a BRI, use dchan=24 instead to set the d-channel.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Dickenson
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 16:04
> To: Asterisk User MailList
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
> 
> /etc/dahdi/system.conf has this:
> loadzone=us
> defaultzone=us
> #Sangoma A102 port 1 [slot:4 bus:7 span:1] 
> span=1,0,0,esf,b8zs
> bchan=1-23
> hardhdlc=24
> 
> 
> /etc/wanpipe/wanpipe1.conf has this:
> [devices]
> wanpipe1 = WAN_AFT_TE1, Comment
> [interfaces]
> w1g1 = wanpipe1, , TDM_VOICE, Comment
> [wanpipe1]
> CARD_TYPE = AFT
> S514CPU = A
> CommPort = PRI
> AUTO_PCISLOT = NO
> PCISLOT = 4
> PCIBUS  = 7
> FE_MEDIA= T1
> FE_LCODE= B8ZS
> FE_FRAME= ESF
> FE_LINE= 1
> TE_CLOCK = NORMAL
> TE_REF_CLOCK= 0
> TE_HIGHIMPEDANCE= NO
> LBO = 0DB
> FE_TXTRISTATE= NO
> MTU = 1500
> UDPPORT = 9000
> TTL= 255
> IGNORE_FRONT_END = NO
> TDMV_SPAN= 1
> TDMV_DCHAN= 24
> TDMV_HW_DTMF= YES
> [w1g1]
> ACTIVE_CH= ALL
> TDMV_ECHO_OFF= NO
> TDMV_HWEC= YES
> 
> 
> /etc/asterisk/chan_dahdi.conf has this:
> [trunkgroups]
> 
> [channels]
> language=en
> usecallerid=yes
> hidecallerid=no
> callwaiting=no
> usecallingpres=yes
> callwaitingcallerid=yes
> threewaycalling=no
> transfer=yes
> canpark=yes
> cancallforward=yes
> callreturn=no
> echocancel=yes
> ;echocancelwhenbridged=yes
> relaxdtmf=yes
> rxgain=0.0   
> txgain=0.0
> group=1   
> callgroup=1
> pickupgroup=1  
> immediate = no
> busydetect=yes
> usesmdi=no  
> 
> ;Sangoma A102 port 1 [slot:4 bus:7 span:1] 
> group=1
> context=
> switchtype=national
> echocancel=no
> signalling=pri_cpe
> channel =>1-23
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim Dickenson
> mailto:dicken...@cfmc.com
> 
> CfMC
> http://www.cfmc.com/
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Darryl Dunkin 
>> Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>> 
>> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:56:31 -0700
>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>> 
>> Conversation: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
>> 
>> Do you have an example of your configuration?
>> 
>> I haven't converted my gateways to dahdi yet, but my configuration is,
>> in this order:
>> span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
>> bchan=1-23
>> dchan=24
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
>> [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Dickenson
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 15:49
>> To: Asterisk User MailList
>> Subject: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
>> 
>> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.294] WARNING[6971] chan_dahdi.c: No D-channels
>> available!  Using Primary channel 24 as D-channel anyway!
>> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.295] VERBOSE[6971] logger.c: [2009-05-27
>> 02:06:16.295]
>> == Primary D-Channel on span 1 up
>> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.301] ERROR[6971] chan_dahdi.c: !! Got a UA, but
> i'm
>> in
>> state 7
>> 
>> 
>> I noticed the above error many days after this at around 2AM.
>> 
>> 
>> This morning starting at about 2AM I got an endless stream of these
>> errors
>> until I restarted Asterisk.
>> 
>> [2009-06-17 02:18:05.503] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
>> scheduler
>> [2009-06-17 02:18:05.504] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: Asked to delete
>> sched
>> id -1???
>> [2009-06-17 02:18:05.504] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
>> scheduler
>> [2009-06-17 02:18:07.103] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
>> scheduler
>> [2009-06-17 

Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?

2009-06-17 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 17:48:37 Jim Dickenson wrote:
> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.294] WARNING[6971] chan_dahdi.c: No D-channels
> available!  Using Primary channel 24 as D-channel anyway!
> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.295] VERBOSE[6971] logger.c: [2009-05-27 02:06:16.295]
> == Primary D-Channel on span 1 up
> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.301] ERROR[6971] chan_dahdi.c: !! Got a UA, but i'm in
> state 7
>
>
> I noticed the above error many days after this at around 2AM.

This generally indicates noise on your T1.  Call your telco and ask that they
stop testing connectivity on your line at 2AM.  If they deny that they're
doing anything of the sort (and they usually do), ask to speak to the switch
tech.  They can disable these tests fairly quickly.  Analog line users also
occasionally see these tests, with a typical symptom being a phantom
ring.

-- 
Tilghman

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Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?

2009-06-17 Thread Darryl Dunkin
hardhdlc is for a BRI, use dchan=24 instead to set the d-channel.

-Original Message-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dickenson
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 16:04
To: Asterisk User MailList
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?

/etc/dahdi/system.conf has this:
loadzone=us
defaultzone=us
#Sangoma A102 port 1 [slot:4 bus:7 span:1] 
span=1,0,0,esf,b8zs
bchan=1-23
hardhdlc=24


/etc/wanpipe/wanpipe1.conf has this:
[devices]
wanpipe1 = WAN_AFT_TE1, Comment
[interfaces]
w1g1 = wanpipe1, , TDM_VOICE, Comment
[wanpipe1]
CARD_TYPE = AFT
S514CPU = A
CommPort = PRI
AUTO_PCISLOT = NO
PCISLOT = 4
PCIBUS  = 7
FE_MEDIA= T1
FE_LCODE= B8ZS
FE_FRAME= ESF
FE_LINE= 1
TE_CLOCK = NORMAL
TE_REF_CLOCK= 0
TE_HIGHIMPEDANCE= NO
LBO = 0DB
FE_TXTRISTATE= NO
MTU = 1500
UDPPORT = 9000
TTL= 255
IGNORE_FRONT_END = NO
TDMV_SPAN= 1
TDMV_DCHAN= 24
TDMV_HW_DTMF= YES
[w1g1]
ACTIVE_CH= ALL
TDMV_ECHO_OFF= NO
TDMV_HWEC= YES


/etc/asterisk/chan_dahdi.conf has this:
[trunkgroups]

[channels]
language=en
usecallerid=yes
hidecallerid=no
callwaiting=no
usecallingpres=yes
callwaitingcallerid=yes
threewaycalling=no
transfer=yes
canpark=yes
cancallforward=yes
callreturn=no
echocancel=yes
;echocancelwhenbridged=yes
relaxdtmf=yes
rxgain=0.0   
txgain=0.0
group=1   
callgroup=1
pickupgroup=1  
immediate = no
busydetect=yes
usesmdi=no  

;Sangoma A102 port 1 [slot:4 bus:7 span:1] 
group=1
context=
switchtype=national
echocancel=no
signalling=pri_cpe
channel =>1-23




-- 
Jim Dickenson
mailto:dicken...@cfmc.com

CfMC
http://www.cfmc.com/



> From: Darryl Dunkin 
> Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> 
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:56:31 -0700
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> 
> Conversation: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
> 
> Do you have an example of your configuration?
> 
> I haven't converted my gateways to dahdi yet, but my configuration is,
> in this order:
> span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
> bchan=1-23
> dchan=24
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Dickenson
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 15:49
> To: Asterisk User MailList
> Subject: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
> 
> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.294] WARNING[6971] chan_dahdi.c: No D-channels
> available!  Using Primary channel 24 as D-channel anyway!
> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.295] VERBOSE[6971] logger.c: [2009-05-27
> 02:06:16.295]
> == Primary D-Channel on span 1 up
> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.301] ERROR[6971] chan_dahdi.c: !! Got a UA, but
i'm
> in
> state 7
> 
> 
> I noticed the above error many days after this at around 2AM.
> 
> 
> This morning starting at about 2AM I got an endless stream of these
> errors
> until I restarted Asterisk.
> 
> [2009-06-17 02:18:05.503] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
> scheduler
> [2009-06-17 02:18:05.504] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: Asked to delete
> sched
> id -1???
> [2009-06-17 02:18:05.504] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
> scheduler
> [2009-06-17 02:18:07.103] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
> scheduler
> [2009-06-17 02:18:07.103] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: Asked to delete
> sched
> id -1???
> 
> 
> There are no messages in the full log file before these line since
21:43
> on
> 6/16/2009.
> 
> I am running asterisk 1.6.0.9, dahdi-linux-2.1.0.4,
dahdi-tools-2.1.0.2,
> libpri-1.4.10 and wanpipe-3.5.2.
> 
> The PRI line is plugged in to a Sangoma A102de.
> 
> Any hints would be appreciated.
> -- 
> Jim Dickenson
> mailto:dicken...@cfmc.com
> 
> CfMC
> http://www.cfmc.com/
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?

2009-06-17 Thread Jim Dickenson
/etc/dahdi/system.conf has this:
loadzone=us
defaultzone=us
#Sangoma A102 port 1 [slot:4 bus:7 span:1] 
span=1,0,0,esf,b8zs
bchan=1-23
hardhdlc=24


/etc/wanpipe/wanpipe1.conf has this:
[devices]
wanpipe1 = WAN_AFT_TE1, Comment
[interfaces]
w1g1 = wanpipe1, , TDM_VOICE, Comment
[wanpipe1]
CARD_TYPE = AFT
S514CPU = A
CommPort = PRI
AUTO_PCISLOT = NO
PCISLOT = 4
PCIBUS  = 7
FE_MEDIA= T1
FE_LCODE= B8ZS
FE_FRAME= ESF
FE_LINE= 1
TE_CLOCK = NORMAL
TE_REF_CLOCK= 0
TE_HIGHIMPEDANCE= NO
LBO = 0DB
FE_TXTRISTATE= NO
MTU = 1500
UDPPORT = 9000
TTL= 255
IGNORE_FRONT_END = NO
TDMV_SPAN= 1
TDMV_DCHAN= 24
TDMV_HW_DTMF= YES
[w1g1]
ACTIVE_CH= ALL
TDMV_ECHO_OFF= NO
TDMV_HWEC= YES


/etc/asterisk/chan_dahdi.conf has this:
[trunkgroups]

[channels]
language=en
usecallerid=yes
hidecallerid=no
callwaiting=no
usecallingpres=yes
callwaitingcallerid=yes
threewaycalling=no
transfer=yes
canpark=yes
cancallforward=yes
callreturn=no
echocancel=yes
;echocancelwhenbridged=yes
relaxdtmf=yes
rxgain=0.0   
txgain=0.0
group=1   
callgroup=1
pickupgroup=1  
immediate = no
busydetect=yes
usesmdi=no  

;Sangoma A102 port 1 [slot:4 bus:7 span:1] 
group=1
context=
switchtype=national
echocancel=no
signalling=pri_cpe
channel =>1-23




-- 
Jim Dickenson
mailto:dicken...@cfmc.com

CfMC
http://www.cfmc.com/



> From: Darryl Dunkin 
> Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> 
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:56:31 -0700
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> 
> Conversation: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
> 
> Do you have an example of your configuration?
> 
> I haven't converted my gateways to dahdi yet, but my configuration is,
> in this order:
> span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
> bchan=1-23
> dchan=24
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Dickenson
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 15:49
> To: Asterisk User MailList
> Subject: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?
> 
> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.294] WARNING[6971] chan_dahdi.c: No D-channels
> available!  Using Primary channel 24 as D-channel anyway!
> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.295] VERBOSE[6971] logger.c: [2009-05-27
> 02:06:16.295]
> == Primary D-Channel on span 1 up
> [2009-05-27 02:06:16.301] ERROR[6971] chan_dahdi.c: !! Got a UA, but i'm
> in
> state 7
> 
> 
> I noticed the above error many days after this at around 2AM.
> 
> 
> This morning starting at about 2AM I got an endless stream of these
> errors
> until I restarted Asterisk.
> 
> [2009-06-17 02:18:05.503] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
> scheduler
> [2009-06-17 02:18:05.504] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: Asked to delete
> sched
> id -1???
> [2009-06-17 02:18:05.504] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
> scheduler
> [2009-06-17 02:18:07.103] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
> scheduler
> [2009-06-17 02:18:07.103] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: Asked to delete
> sched
> id -1???
> 
> 
> There are no messages in the full log file before these line since 21:43
> on
> 6/16/2009.
> 
> I am running asterisk 1.6.0.9, dahdi-linux-2.1.0.4, dahdi-tools-2.1.0.2,
> libpri-1.4.10 and wanpipe-3.5.2.
> 
> The PRI line is plugged in to a Sangoma A102de.
> 
> Any hints would be appreciated.
> -- 
> Jim Dickenson
> mailto:dicken...@cfmc.com
> 
> CfMC
> http://www.cfmc.com/
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?

2009-06-17 Thread Darryl Dunkin
Do you have an example of your configuration?

I haven't converted my gateways to dahdi yet, but my configuration is,
in this order:
span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs
bchan=1-23
dchan=24

-Original Message-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Dickenson
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 15:49
To: Asterisk User MailList
Subject: [asterisk-users] What causes this error?

[2009-05-27 02:06:16.294] WARNING[6971] chan_dahdi.c: No D-channels
available!  Using Primary channel 24 as D-channel anyway!
[2009-05-27 02:06:16.295] VERBOSE[6971] logger.c: [2009-05-27
02:06:16.295]
== Primary D-Channel on span 1 up
[2009-05-27 02:06:16.301] ERROR[6971] chan_dahdi.c: !! Got a UA, but i'm
in
state 7


I noticed the above error many days after this at around 2AM.


This morning starting at about 2AM I got an endless stream of these
errors
until I restarted Asterisk.

[2009-06-17 02:18:05.503] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
scheduler
[2009-06-17 02:18:05.504] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: Asked to delete
sched
id -1???
[2009-06-17 02:18:05.504] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
scheduler
[2009-06-17 02:18:07.103] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
scheduler
[2009-06-17 02:18:07.103] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: Asked to delete
sched
id -1???


There are no messages in the full log file before these line since 21:43
on
6/16/2009.

I am running asterisk 1.6.0.9, dahdi-linux-2.1.0.4, dahdi-tools-2.1.0.2,
libpri-1.4.10 and wanpipe-3.5.2.

The PRI line is plugged in to a Sangoma A102de.

Any hints would be appreciated.
-- 
Jim Dickenson
mailto:dicken...@cfmc.com

CfMC
http://www.cfmc.com/




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[asterisk-users] What causes this error?

2009-06-17 Thread Jim Dickenson
[2009-05-27 02:06:16.294] WARNING[6971] chan_dahdi.c: No D-channels
available!  Using Primary channel 24 as D-channel anyway!
[2009-05-27 02:06:16.295] VERBOSE[6971] logger.c: [2009-05-27 02:06:16.295]
== Primary D-Channel on span 1 up
[2009-05-27 02:06:16.301] ERROR[6971] chan_dahdi.c: !! Got a UA, but i'm in
state 7


I noticed the above error many days after this at around 2AM.


This morning starting at about 2AM I got an endless stream of these errors
until I restarted Asterisk.

[2009-06-17 02:18:05.503] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
scheduler
[2009-06-17 02:18:05.504] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: Asked to delete sched
id -1???
[2009-06-17 02:18:05.504] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
scheduler
[2009-06-17 02:18:07.103] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: No more room in
scheduler
[2009-06-17 02:18:07.103] ERROR[30465] chan_dahdi.c: Asked to delete sched
id -1???


There are no messages in the full log file before these line since 21:43 on
6/16/2009.

I am running asterisk 1.6.0.9, dahdi-linux-2.1.0.4, dahdi-tools-2.1.0.2,
libpri-1.4.10 and wanpipe-3.5.2.

The PRI line is plugged in to a Sangoma A102de.

Any hints would be appreciated.
-- 
Jim Dickenson
mailto:dicken...@cfmc.com

CfMC
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[asterisk-users] What causes this?

2008-02-05 Thread Michael Munger
I have found several references to this problem, but never a solution. I
have fixed it before, but it was always by accident...

 

Feb  5 13:27:39 NOTICE[12924]: channel.c:1904 ast_read: Dropping
incompatible voice frame on Local/[EMAIL PROTECTED],2 of
format ulaw since our native format has changed to slin

Feb  5 13:27:39 NOTICE[12924]: channel.c:1904 ast_read: Dropping
incompatible voice frame on Local/[EMAIL PROTECTED],2 of
format ulaw since our native format has changed to slin

Feb  5 13:27:39 NOTICE[12924]: channel.c:1904 ast_read: Dropping
incompatible voice frame on Local/[EMAIL PROTECTED],2 of
format ulaw since our native format has changed to slin

Feb  5 13:27:39 NOTICE[12924]: channel.c:1904 ast_read: Dropping
incompatible voice frame on Local/[EMAIL PROTECTED],2 of
format ulaw since our native format has changed to slin

Feb  5 13:27:39 NOTICE[12924]: channel.c:1904 ast_read: Dropping
incompatible voice frame on Local/[EMAIL PROTECTED],2 of
format ulaw since our native format has changed to slin

 

Obviously, I have obfuscated the real number with "#"...

 

Yours,

Michael Munger, dCAP

404-438-2128

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

 

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] What causes this changethread error message?

2005-03-18 Thread David Brodbeck
> -Original Message-
> From: David Brodbeck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> I'm running Asterisk HEAD from March 4.  I've Googled a bit 
> but I can't
> figure out what causes this error:
> 
> app_queue.c:374 in changethread: Can't change device 
> '**Unknown**' with no
> technology!
> 
> It doesn't seem to be causing any problems, but I'm curious 
> what causes it.

Never mind.  It was from something I was doing with an external script.
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[Asterisk-Users] What causes this changethread error message?

2005-03-17 Thread David Brodbeck
I'm running Asterisk HEAD from March 4.  I've Googled a bit but I can't
figure out what causes this error:

app_queue.c:374 in changethread: Can't change device '**Unknown**' with no
technology!

It doesn't seem to be causing any problems, but I'm curious what causes it.
I did a few Google searches and found a lot of people asking about it, but
no real answers.
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