Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
I hope no one will frown on my post here as our product is commercial. I just wanted to let you know that you can use Thirdlane PBX Manager to create complex dialplans. The way it works is that you can create scripts - equivalent of Asterisk macros with some extras and no limitation on what asterisk dialplan code you put there, which plug into the GUI, so other people (who may not be able to write or understand your scripts) may still use them through the gui by attaching them to user or special extensions. Thanks, Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hales Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:48 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 14:53 -0700, shadowym wrote: Ok Thanks, I guess I'll have to give it a shot. I just assumed it would be more work than 30minutes (after the initial learning curve) for a moderately complex dialplan.. The other issue that arrives is that a complex dialplan can't be created/managed via a gui... So for an easy dialplan - both a gui and conf files are going to work out fairly quickly. With something more complicated, you end up having to edit the files. So it's worth knowing how to do that. PaulH ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
Well, most of the configuration (but the dialplan) can be kicked up pretty fast by preparing a block (eg for a SIP extension) and then pasting it over with minor modifications. I usually keep the original demo config files around, that already include most options, and use them as a starting point. About the dialplan, I have a few templates around and usually use them as a starting point for more complex things. Easy things come usually easily and usually work the first time I try them. Some of them I posted to astrecipes.net or voip-info as well so I have them handy all of the time. OK, I'm on this list since 2004 so maybe I'm a bit biased, but it really works fine for me. l. On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:23:14 +0200, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That seems quite fast actually. I still have a hard time believing it is that easy. I look as relatively straight forward configurations that do call queues, voicemail to email, followme, ivr and various other things that most companies want and your looking at hundreds of lines a lot of which are not redundant with just extensions etc. changed. I just don't see how anyone could set that all up in 30 minutes. Unless of course your cut and pasting templates. Something nobody seems to claim they use. -- Loway Research - Home of QueueMetrics http://queuemetrics.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
I used DEC's EDT for almost 20 years on PDP-11 and find jed with the EDT interface useful! You can't teach an old dog new tricks! Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shadowym Sent: 16 October 2007 17:10 To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? So nano just makes things too easy for you? -Original Message- From: Paul Hales [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:02 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? I use vi. Not sure if it has a web interface yet. PaulH On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 00:51 +0200, Dovid B wrote: None. Asterisk vanilla is the best IMHO. - Original Message - From: Anciso, Roy To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else have any suggestions. Thanks Roy Anciso Director of Technology Manistee Intermediate School District 1710 Merkey Road Manistee, MI 49660 Ph: 231-723-4264 Fx: 231-723-1690 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
Ok so you use templates. I understand that. The problem is some people on here seem to be claiming they type it all in from scratch in like 3 minutes. -Original Message- From: Lenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:27 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? Well, most of the configuration (but the dialplan) can be kicked up pretty fast by preparing a block (eg for a SIP extension) and then pasting it over with minor modifications. I usually keep the original demo config files around, that already include most options, and use them as a starting point. About the dialplan, I have a few templates around and usually use them as a starting point for more complex things. Easy things come usually easily and usually work the first time I try them. Some of them I posted to astrecipes.net or voip-info as well so I have them handy all of the time. OK, I'm on this list since 2004 so maybe I'm a bit biased, but it really works fine for me. l. On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:23:14 +0200, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That seems quite fast actually. I still have a hard time believing it is that easy. I look as relatively straight forward configurations that do call queues, voicemail to email, followme, ivr and various other things that most companies want and your looking at hundreds of lines a lot of which are not redundant with just extensions etc. changed. I just don't see how anyone could set that all up in 30 minutes. Unless of course your cut and pasting templates. Something nobody seems to claim they use. -- Loway Research - Home of QueueMetrics http://queuemetrics.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
On 10/17/07, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok so you use templates. I understand that. The problem is some people on here seem to be claiming they type it all in from scratch in like 3 minutes. Just call me out if you feel the need to. Please don't try and hide behind the some people on here type of comments. Call me out directly if you feel the need. I can take it :-) So...I don't feel the need to prove myself to you. I have a fairly good grasp on the conf file syntax, and with a well-thought out and well documented goal, it's not unreasonable for me to say that I can type out a config from scratch in 30 minutes. After working in vim for as long as I have, you learn to use the many shortcuts that it provides for text manipulation, copy buffers, moving blocks of code around, etc. I also use a syntax highlighting rule file for asterisk configs, so any typos I make are immediately evident. It's really remarkable how this discussion has turned into a pissing match. I could really care less if you have a hard time believing my statements. I'm not trying to push CLI on you or anyone. Yes - I recommend that people give it a try before going to a GUI, but I fully recognize that vanilla asterisk text configuration isn't for everyone. -Erik P.S. By the way - don't misquote me. I said nothing about laying down a config in 3 minutes. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
Ok Thanks, I guess I'll have to give it a shot. I just assumed it would be more work than 30minutes (after the initial learning curve) for a moderately complex dialplan.. -Original Message- From: Erik Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:49 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? On 10/17/07, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok so you use templates. I understand that. The problem is some people on here seem to be claiming they type it all in from scratch in like 3 minutes. Just call me out if you feel the need to. Please don't try and hide behind the some people on here type of comments. Call me out directly if you feel the need. I can take it :-) So...I don't feel the need to prove myself to you. I have a fairly good grasp on the conf file syntax, and with a well-thought out and well documented goal, it's not unreasonable for me to say that I can type out a config from scratch in 30 minutes. After working in vim for as long as I have, you learn to use the many shortcuts that it provides for text manipulation, copy buffers, moving blocks of code around, etc. I also use a syntax highlighting rule file for asterisk configs, so any typos I make are immediately evident. It's really remarkable how this discussion has turned into a pissing match. I could really care less if you have a hard time believing my statements. I'm not trying to push CLI on you or anyone. Yes - I recommend that people give it a try before going to a GUI, but I fully recognize that vanilla asterisk text configuration isn't for everyone. -Erik P.S. By the way - don't misquote me. I said nothing about laying down a config in 3 minutes. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 14:53 -0700, shadowym wrote: Ok Thanks, I guess I'll have to give it a shot. I just assumed it would be more work than 30minutes (after the initial learning curve) for a moderately complex dialplan.. The other issue that arrives is that a complex dialplan can't be created/managed via a gui... So for an easy dialplan - both a gui and conf files are going to work out fairly quickly. With something more complicated, you end up having to edit the files. So it's worth knowing how to do that. PaulH ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
I use vi. Not sure if it has a web interface yet. PaulH On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 00:51 +0200, Dovid B wrote: None. Asterisk vanilla is the best IMHO. - Original Message - From: Anciso, Roy To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else have any suggestions. Thanks Roy Anciso Director of Technology Manistee Intermediate School District 1710 Merkey Road Manistee, MI 49660 Ph: 231-723-4264 Fx: 231-723-1690 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
If what I see actually deployed is what people are happy with, I'd say the lion's share surely goes to FreePBX. Another GUI that lots of people like when they try it is Voiceroute Druid, but it's a commercial product. Of course, no GUI gives you the amount of flexibility that a text editor buys you, provided you know what you're doing. :) l. On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:28:48 +0200, Anciso, Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else have any suggestions. Thanks Roy Anciso Director of Technology Manistee Intermediate School District 1710 Merkey Road Manistee, MI 49660 Ph: 231-723-4264 Fx: 231-723-1690 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Loway Research - Home of QueueMetrics http://queuemetrics.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
Paul, You just made my day ;) - Original Message - From: Paul Hales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? I use vi. Not sure if it has a web interface yet. PaulH On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 00:51 +0200, Dovid B wrote: None. Asterisk vanilla is the best IMHO. - Original Message - From: Anciso, Roy To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else have any suggestions. Thanks Roy Anciso Director of Technology Manistee Intermediate School District 1710 Merkey Road Manistee, MI 49660 Ph: 231-723-4264 Fx: 231-723-1690 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
So nano just makes things too easy for you? -Original Message- From: Paul Hales [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:02 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? I use vi. Not sure if it has a web interface yet. PaulH On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 00:51 +0200, Dovid B wrote: None. Asterisk vanilla is the best IMHO. - Original Message - From: Anciso, Roy To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else have any suggestions. Thanks Roy Anciso Director of Technology Manistee Intermediate School District 1710 Merkey Road Manistee, MI 49660 Ph: 231-723-4264 Fx: 231-723-1690 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 09:10:14AM -0700, shadowym wrote: So nano just makes things too easy for you? nano is not included in busybox. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
I don't do text editing so please indulge me. Why would someone want to do
that when a GUI makes life so much easier?
On a practical note, If someone was deploying 2 or 3 of these a week, most
of which have 5-10+ extensions doing all kinds of fancy things like call
queues, parking, forwarding, followme, voicemail to email etc. etc. how
practical is it to type all this in by hand making sure to get ever single
space, ., ,, {}, [] etc. exactly right which NEVER happens. So then
you have to spend more time debugging the conf files.
Even with a bunch of pre-made templates it seems like an awful lot of
unnecessary heavy lifting when a GUI can make it so much easier and
efficient.
-Original Message-
From: Lenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:31 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
If what I see actually deployed is what people are happy with, I'd say the
lion's share surely goes to FreePBX. Another GUI that lots of people like
when they try it is Voiceroute Druid, but it's a commercial product. Of
course, no GUI gives you the amount of flexibility that a text editor buys
you, provided you know what you're doing. :)
l.
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:28:48 +0200, Anciso, Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed
asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI
for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else
have any suggestions.
Thanks
Roy Anciso
Director of Technology
Manistee Intermediate School District
1710 Merkey Road
Manistee, MI 49660
Ph: 231-723-4264
Fx: 231-723-1690
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
On 10/16/07, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't do text editing so please indulge me. Why would someone want to do
that when a GUI makes life so much easier?
On a practical note, If someone was deploying 2 or 3 of these a week, most
of which have 5-10+ extensions doing all kinds of fancy things like call
queues, parking, forwarding, followme, voicemail to email etc. etc. how
practical is it to type all this in by hand making sure to get ever single
space, ., ,, {}, [] etc. exactly right which NEVER happens. So then
you have to spend more time debugging the conf files.
Even with a bunch of pre-made templates it seems like an awful lot of
unnecessary heavy lifting when a GUI can make it so much easier and
efficient.
This is *very* much a to each their own issue. You say that a web
GUI is more efficient - I say that vi is more effecient. You say that
using a text editor is more error-prone - I say that a web GUI is more
likely to mess things up in a difficult way to troubleshoot.
Use what works for you and don't worry about it.
:-)
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Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
On 10/16/07, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't do text editing so please indulge me. Why would someone want to
do
that when a GUI makes life so much easier?
On a practical note, If someone was deploying 2 or 3 of these a week, most
of which have 5-10+ extensions doing all kinds of fancy things like call
queues, parking, forwarding, followme, voicemail to email etc. etc. how
practical is it to type all this in by hand making sure to get ever single
space, ., ,, {}, [] etc. exactly right which NEVER happens. So
then
you have to spend more time debugging the conf files.
Even with a bunch of pre-made templates it seems like an awful lot of
unnecessary heavy lifting when a GUI can make it so much easier and
efficient.
You're welcome to do it however you like. But please don't suggest that
using a GUI will make things more efficient. Someone with experience
scripting can easily write a system to generate a well-formed, valid .conf
file, with appropriate comments. I, for one, have done this.
The reason many seasoned Asterisk admins prefer using the .conf files
instead of using a GUI is that no GUI can possibly conceive of every way to
do something. So, at some point, if your PBX does anything interesting,
you're going to have to integrate your changes with what the GUI generated.
And not let the GUI stomp on the changes. But make sure everything will be
in contexts that can access what it should, and not access what it
shouldn't.
Now, as far as how practical it is to create the dialplan by hand, I can
tell you that it only takes about 2-3 minutes to full configure such a
simple PBX as you described. Most GUI systems take far longer than that to
install, much less configure. Also, I can more easily manage systems
remotely via SSH than through many of the GUIs out there.
So, as I said before, do whatever works best for you. But please don't
insinuate that editing configuration files cannot be a good idea.
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Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
Very often an experienced sysadmin/programmer will find that editing text
files is handier and produces a cleaner result. Of course you cannot
expect to have a guru always on call, so a GUI comes in handy if you have
people with various experience that is supposed to work on the system and
configure it, like adding extensions, changing day/night hours and such
small things.
l.
In data Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:17:41 +0200, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ha scritto:
I don't do text editing so please indulge me. Why would someone want to
do
that when a GUI makes life so much easier?
On a practical note, If someone was deploying 2 or 3 of these a week,
most
of which have 5-10+ extensions doing all kinds of fancy things like call
queues, parking, forwarding, followme, voicemail to email etc. etc. how
practical is it to type all this in by hand making sure to get ever
single
space, ., ,, {}, [] etc. exactly right which NEVER happens. So
then
you have to spend more time debugging the conf files.
Even with a bunch of pre-made templates it seems like an awful lot of
unnecessary heavy lifting when a GUI can make it so much easier and
efficient.
-Original Message-
From: Lenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:31 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
If what I see actually deployed is what people are happy with, I'd say
the
lion's share surely goes to FreePBX. Another GUI that lots of people like
when they try it is Voiceroute Druid, but it's a commercial product. Of
course, no GUI gives you the amount of flexibility that a text editor
buys
you, provided you know what you're doing. :)
l.
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:28:48 +0200, Anciso, Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed
asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI
for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else
have any suggestions.
Thanks
Roy Anciso
Director of Technology
Manistee Intermediate School District
1710 Merkey Road
Manistee, MI 49660
Ph: 231-723-4264
Fx: 231-723-1690
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
So how long would it take you to vi a 20 extension office with custom
dialplan involving a medium level of complexity? Including time to debug
etc.
-Original Message-
From: Erik Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:30 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
On 10/16/07, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't do text editing so please indulge me. Why would someone want to
do
that when a GUI makes life so much easier?
On a practical note, If someone was deploying 2 or 3 of these a week, most
of which have 5-10+ extensions doing all kinds of fancy things like call
queues, parking, forwarding, followme, voicemail to email etc. etc. how
practical is it to type all this in by hand making sure to get ever single
space, ., ,, {}, [] etc. exactly right which NEVER happens. So
then
you have to spend more time debugging the conf files.
Even with a bunch of pre-made templates it seems like an awful lot of
unnecessary heavy lifting when a GUI can make it so much easier and
efficient.
This is *very* much a to each their own issue. You say that a web
GUI is more efficient - I say that vi is more effecient. You say that
using a text editor is more error-prone - I say that a web GUI is more
likely to mess things up in a difficult way to troubleshoot.
Use what works for you and don't worry about it.
:-)
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Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
I agree that a GUI can never be as flexible and efficient as raw script.
That is not my point. My point is that the more complex things get the more
an abstraction layer of some sort makes sense. It's the same reason people
use C code instead of doing everything in assembly language. Not as
efficient but much less work.
I fail to see how anyone can write all configuration scripts for even a
relatively simple dialplan for an Asterisk server in 3 minutes! You must be
talking about using templates yes?
From: David Gomillion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:37 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
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On 10/16/07, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't do text editing so please indulge me. Why would someone want to do
that when a GUI makes life so much easier?
On a practical note, If someone was deploying 2 or 3 of these a week, most
of which have 5-10+ extensions doing all kinds of fancy things like call
queues, parking, forwarding, followme, voicemail to email etc. etc. how
practical is it to type all this in by hand making sure to get ever single
space, ., ,, {}, [] etc. exactly right which NEVER happens. So then
you have to spend more time debugging the conf files.
Even with a bunch of pre-made templates it seems like an awful lot of
unnecessary heavy lifting when a GUI can make it so much easier and
efficient.
You're welcome to do it however you like. But please don't suggest that
using a GUI will make things more efficient. Someone with experience
scripting can easily write a system to generate a well-formed, valid .conf
file, with appropriate comments. I, for one, have done this.
The reason many seasoned Asterisk admins prefer using the .conf files
instead of using a GUI is that no GUI can possibly conceive of every way to
do something. So, at some point, if your PBX does anything interesting,
you're going to have to integrate your changes with what the GUI generated.
And not let the GUI stomp on the changes. But make sure everything will be
in contexts that can access what it should, and not access what it
shouldn't.
Now, as far as how practical it is to create the dialplan by hand, I can
tell you that it only takes about 2-3 minutes to full configure such a
simple PBX as you described. Most GUI systems take far longer than that to
install, much less configure. Also, I can more easily manage systems
remotely via SSH than through many of the GUIs out there.
So, as I said before, do whatever works best for you. But please don't
insinuate that editing configuration files cannot be a good idea.
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Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
On 10/16/07, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how long would it take you to vi a 20 extension office with custom dialplan involving a medium level of complexity? Including time to debug etc. Well - there's a large amount of subjectivity in your question, but perhaps I'll answer with not long. I don't know - 20 sip extensions, maybe 5 minutes. Probably another 30 for the dialplan and debugging. My point still stands - use what you're comfortable with. I spend the vast amount of my day working through an SSH console into various linux servers, so it would only make sense that for me (and many other CLI geeks), it doesn't make sense to use a GUI. I actually get a little put out when I have to switch over to my browser or another GUI tool to get things done. So - the CLI is what works for me. I'm not going to push that on you or anyone as the definitive best management tool for asterisk. -erik ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
I've been recently playing with Askozia, which is an embedded Asterisk on FreeBSD distro that's based upon the m0n0wall GUI framwork. It's still a work in progess but it looks suitable for a home/home office scenario. I've used m0n0wall for years so the GUI is very familiar to me. Michael On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:31:06 +0200, Lenz wrote: If what I see actually deployed is what people are happy with, I'd say the lion's share surely goes to FreePBX. Another GUI that lots of people like when they try it is Voiceroute Druid, but it's a commercial product. Of course, no GUI gives you the amount of flexibility that a text editor buys you, provided you know what you're doing. :) l. On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:28:48 +0200, Anciso, Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else have any suggestions. Thanks Roy Anciso Director of Technology Manistee Intermediate School District 1710 Merkey Road Manistee, MI 49660 Ph: 231-723-4264 Fx: 231-723-1690 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Loway Research - Home of QueueMetrics http://queuemetrics.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Michael Graves mgravesatmstvp.com o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mjgraves fwd 54245 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
Paul Hales wrote: I use vi. Not sure if it has a web interface yet. vi is great, but our clients don't know how to use it. They also don't want to have to call us every time they want to make a change -- so for them, FreePBX it is. I make its limitations very clear to them. The other problem with vi is that there's no native version for Xbox. -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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That seems quite fast actually. I still have a hard time believing it is that easy. I look as relatively straight forward configurations that do call queues, voicemail to email, followme, ivr and various other things that most companies want and your looking at hundreds of lines a lot of which are not redundant with just extensions etc. changed. I just don't see how anyone could set that all up in 30 minutes. Unless of course your cut and pasting templates. Something nobody seems to claim they use. I don't see how using SSH console with something like PuTTY can influence the decision. I access all my GUI's through SSH port 22 using PuTTY tunnel which takes 30 seconds to configure for port 80 and 4445. -Original Message- From: Erik Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:24 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? On 10/16/07, shadowym [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how long would it take you to vi a 20 extension office with custom dialplan involving a medium level of complexity? Including time to debug etc. Well - there's a large amount of subjectivity in your question, but perhaps I'll answer with not long. I don't know - 20 sip extensions, maybe 5 minutes. Probably another 30 for the dialplan and debugging. My point still stands - use what you're comfortable with. I spend the vast amount of my day working through an SSH console into various linux servers, so it would only make sense that for me (and many other CLI geeks), it doesn't make sense to use a GUI. I actually get a little put out when I have to switch over to my browser or another GUI tool to get things done. So - the CLI is what works for me. I'm not going to push that on you or anyone as the definitive best management tool for asterisk. -erik ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else have any suggestions. Thanks Roy Anciso Director of Technology Manistee Intermediate School District 1710 Merkey Road Manistee, MI 49660 Ph: 231-723-4264 Fx: 231-723-1690 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
Anciso, Roy wrote: Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else have any suggestions. Thanks **Roy Anciso** Director of Technology Manistee Intermediate School District 1710 Merkey Road Manistee, MI 49660 Ph: 231-723-4264 Fx: 231-723-1690 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users I recommend Thirdlanes PBX manager. We have several installations of it and it seems to work very well. The best thing about it is the end user portal. I believe there is a demo at thirdlane.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
Anciso, Roy wrote: Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else have any suggestions. Thanks Why don't you just install the Asterisk GUI? Get it from SVN: svn co http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk-gui/trunk asterisk-gui Instructions to build are in the latest TFOT book. But FWIW, I had a quick look but decided against it. And other GUIs too. My installation is quite small, admittedly, but I really want to understand how and why my system is configured the way it is. The only way to truly get that is to do it by hand... You only need Vi :-) Alan -- The way out is open! http://www.theopensourcerer.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
Thanks for your suggestion, I saw mention of the asterisk-gui in a previous post but didn't see much response on it. As I mentioned in my original message I have installed Asterisk from source and I also have a good understanding of how and why asterisk works. However I would like to make it simple for some of our sysadmins who are not comfortable with CLI to make simple changes hence the web gui. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Lord Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:16 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? Anciso, Roy wrote: Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else have any suggestions. Thanks Why don't you just install the Asterisk GUI? Get it from SVN: svn co http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk-gui/trunk asterisk-gui Instructions to build are in the latest TFOT book. But FWIW, I had a quick look but decided against it. And other GUIs too. My installation is quite small, admittedly, but I really want to understand how and why my system is configured the way it is. The only way to truly get that is to do it by hand... You only need Vi :-) Alan -- The way out is open! http://www.theopensourcerer.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with?
None. Asterisk vanilla is the best IMHO. - Original Message - From: Anciso, Roy To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: [asterisk-users] What web GUI are people happy with? Just wondering what web GUI people like for asterisk. I installed asterisk from source and I was looking at possibly installing web GUI for system management. So far freepbx.org looks promising anybody else have any suggestions. Thanks Roy Anciso Director of Technology Manistee Intermediate School District 1710 Merkey Road Manistee, MI 49660 Ph: 231-723-4264 Fx: 231-723-1690 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
