Re: [asterisk-users] can anybody tell me how Magic jack can be so cheap ????

2009-02-08 Thread andrej 
I can see another way of getting this done. If memory serves me right, there 
was a company in the name like “sunrocket”, or “skyrocket” or whatever. They 
used to offer service for $100/year unlimited as well. Then about 2 years down 
the road, they went under. And that was the real deal for them. The price for 
the dead company was much higher than for the alive company. Because all of the 
VoIP companies like Vonage, etc, was literally fighting for the customer lists. 
I think, this might be a possibility too… remember me, what was the company and 
who was the founder? Yeah that was SunRocket and been founded by Joyce Dorris 
and Paul Erickson.

 

But the MagicJack has a great deal of connections with XO, ComCast, talk4free, 
Ymax communications.

 

Talk4free.com does not have any presence beyond the NS servers for the YMax 
communications. Entire YMAX IP range /20 is managed by ComCast, and the 
webserver for the management console is on the XO network. The XO has a PBX’es 
available for businesses, and they do offer unlimited free local calling, and 
free site-to-site. As a result, you actually can get free local calls when you 
have enough POP (as a Ymax ,founded by the same guy as a magicjack, does). And 
if you get their international rates, you will understand, that these rates are 
quite expensive – at least 15%-25% even over the VoipJet. So when you put all 
these pieces of the puzzle together + advertisement during the call + 
datamining possibility from the calls, this company has created an enormous 
asset.

The idea is actually extremely brilliant. I’m just not sure how legal it is to 
“snoop” on the call, even if it’s in the agreement. I think, the law will 
prevail over any agreement, furthermore in their agreement, not only you wave 
the rights for the legal option, but you also set the statue bar for 1 year. 
And, forget the privacy of the call, here is something  more: “By installing 
the magicJack Software, you hereby agree to allow magicJack the option to 
automatically provide Updates from magicJack and/or its partners' servers.”

 

And as usual, the “normal use” clause: “If magicJack sees excessive use, 
including but not limited to, a customer whose usage is twenty (20) times more 
than the average magicJack's customers usage… all sorts of bad things may 
happen….”.

 

Besides their EULA only says about free calls in US, nothing about Canada…

 

Free cheese is only in traps and only for the second mouse.

 

--A.

 

 

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the ads will start once there is critical mass.  the following are the 
scenarios for ads:
1. when you dial a number, before hearing the ringing, you have to listen to an 
ad.  the length of the ad would be proportional to the intensity of your 
usage... the more you use, the longer the ads.
2. when the caller answers, they will first hear magic jack promo, then they 
will hear your voice.
3. the call in interrupted every few minutes to play an ad to both parties.
4. they will give an ad free service if you pay a higher charge.

I just hope I am not giving the people at magicjack any ideas, but if I am, I 
would sure appreciate if they pay me!!



On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM, k4...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Never seen any ads except for them.  Actually the thing sits on a server down 
in the garage so I don't see anything!  Darn thing just works!  I bought it as 
a second line when the wife is using the copper line to work.


Ronny K4RJJ

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 Or more accurately, they believe they can follow the NetZero or Juno 
 model (Free in exchange for ads being pushed to you). 
 
 -forrest 
 
 C F wrote: 
  They believe they have advertisement revenues. 
  

  On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Ignacio Ortega A. wrote: 
  
  How Magic Jack can only charge $20 per year? 
  
  do they have a call limit? 
  do they have a call duration limit or limit of minutes per day?, 
  
  
  Thanks 
  
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2009-02-07 Thread Ignacio Ortega A. 
How Magic Jack can only charge $20 per year?

do they have a call limit?
do they have a call duration limit or limit of minutes per day?,


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Re: [asterisk-users] can anybody tell me how Magic jack can be so cheap ????

2009-02-07 Thread C F 
They believe they have advertisement revenues.

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Ignacio Ortega A. nachom...@gmail.com wrote:
 How Magic Jack can only charge $20 per year?

 do they have a call limit?
 do they have a call duration limit or limit of minutes per day?,


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Re: [asterisk-users] can anybody tell me how Magic jack can be so cheap ????

2009-02-07 Thread Forrest W Christian 
Or more accurately, they believe they can follow the NetZero or Juno 
model (Free in exchange for ads being pushed to you).

-forrest

C F wrote:
 They believe they have advertisement revenues.

 On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Ignacio Ortega A. nachom...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 How Magic Jack can only charge $20 per year?

 do they have a call limit?
 do they have a call duration limit or limit of minutes per day?,


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Re: [asterisk-users] can anybody tell me how Magic jack can be so cheap ????

2009-02-07 Thread k4rjj 







 

Never seen any ads except for them. Actually the thing sits on a server down in the garage so I don't see anything! Darn thing just works! I bought it as a second line when the wife is using the copper line to work.Ronny K4RJJ

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 Or more accurately, they believe they can follow the NetZero or Juno 
 model (Free in exchange for ads being pushed to you).
 
 -forrest
 
 C F wrote:
  They believe they have advertisement revenues.
 
  On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Ignacio Ortega A.  wrote:

  How Magic Jack can only charge $20 per year?
 
  do they have a call limit?
  do they have a call duration limit or limit of minutes per day?,
 
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] can anybody tell me how Magic jack can be so cheap ????

2009-02-07 Thread Sam 
k4...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
  Never seen any ads except for them.  Actually the thing sits on a 
 server down in the garage so I don't see anything!  Darn thing just 
 works!  I bought it as a second line when the wife is using the copper 
 line to work.
 
 
 Ronny K4RJJ
 


The way most people interpret the eula is that magic jack can actually 
listen in on your calls and send you customized ads based on what you 
talk about.  How you get these ads I don't know.  I am also too lazy to 
read the eula myself, and I don't use the service anyway. 
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/04/14/magicjacks-eula-says.html

Sam

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Re: [asterisk-users] can anybody tell me how Magic jack can be so cheap ????

2009-02-07 Thread Kinjal Dixit 
the ads will start once there is critical mass.  the following are the
scenarios for ads:
1. when you dial a number, before hearing the ringing, you have to listen to
an ad.  the length of the ad would be proportional to the intensity of your
usage... the more you use, the longer the ads.
2. when the caller answers, they will first hear magic jack promo, then they
will hear your voice.
3. the call in interrupted every few minutes to play an ad to both parties.
4. they will give an ad free service if you pay a higher charge.

I just hope I am not giving the people at magicjack any ideas, but if I am,
I would sure appreciate if they pay me!!


On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM, k4...@bellsouth.net wrote:

   Never seen any ads except for them.  Actually the thing sits on a server
 down in the garage so I don't see anything!  Darn thing just works!  I
 bought it as a second line when the wife is using the copper line to work.


 Ronny K4RJJ

 -- Original message from Forrest W Christian f...@mt.net:
 --


  Or more accurately, they believe they can follow the NetZero or Juno
  model (Free in exchange for ads being pushed to you).
 
  -forrest
 
  C F wrote:
   They believe they have advertisement revenues.
  
   On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Ignacio Ortega A. wrote:
  
   How Magic Jack can only charge $20 per year?
  
   do they have a call limit?
   do they have a call duration limit or limit of minutes per day?,
  
  
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