Re: [asterisk-users] phone as control interface (was99bottlesof beer)

2007-10-16 Thread John Faubion
 has anyone actually been satisfied with the performance of these
 powerline signalling devices ?

Universal Powerline Bus is a vast improvement over the original X10. I
believe the X10 devices used a 4V signal during the zero crossing point of
the AC voltage to transmit 1 bit. Needless to say this made X10 slow,
susceptible to line noise and not very reliable. IIRC X10 is only 75%
reliable. By contrast, UPB is 20-40 times faster, it uses a higher signaling
voltage so line noise isn't a big factor any more and has the advantage of
controlling 250 times more devices than X10. This will help to prevent stray
signals from the neighbors controller from accidentally controlling your
devices. UPB is supposed to be 99.9% reliable with a latency of less than
100 milliseconds. Granted that still leaves a tenth of a percent of
uncertainly. However that is without resorting to filters, couplers and the
like.

 Granted in an existing situation there may not be a way to run more
 wires, but I evaluated them a while back and decided to stay away.

You may want to take another look at them. Just like Asterisk has made great
strides since the release of 0.7, UPB has brought the quality level way up.
Of course this higher quality also has a higher price.

John


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Re: [asterisk-users] phone as control interface (was99bottlesof beer)

2007-10-16 Thread Dovid B

- Original Message - 
From: John Faubion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] phone as control interface (was99bottlesof 
beer)


 Does anyone know of such a  device that I can use over a network? It 
 would
 be a pain to run a USB cable. I am thinking of devices that are like:

 I think your missing the key feature of these devices, UPB/X10. UPB and 
 X10
 are communication protocols that runs across the electrical wiring in the
 home. The 1132 box can be programmed using a USB cable to your computer 
 but
 it doesn't have to remain connected via USB to control the lights and
 outlets using X10. Additionally you only have to connect one PC-UPB/X10
 controller to control the other UPB/X10 devices. You will have to install
 more devices to make it all work but the commands come across the house
 wiring.

 John

John,
Thanks for the clarification. I understood it that every device needed to be 
connected via USB. I would still want to use a product that worked over 
Ethernet so that I can use my asterisk server that is in a colo center and 
control multiple locations. 



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Re: [asterisk-users] phone as control interface(was99bottlesof beer)

2007-10-16 Thread Dovid B

- Original Message - 
From: John Faubion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] phone as control interface(was99bottlesof 
beer)


 has anyone actually been satisfied with the performance of these
 powerline signalling devices ?

 Universal Powerline Bus is a vast improvement over the original X10. I
 believe the X10 devices used a 4V signal during the zero crossing point of
 the AC voltage to transmit 1 bit. Needless to say this made X10 slow,
 susceptible to line noise and not very reliable. IIRC X10 is only 75%
 reliable. By contrast, UPB is 20-40 times faster, it uses a higher 
 signaling
 voltage so line noise isn't a big factor any more and has the advantage of
 controlling 250 times more devices than X10. This will help to prevent 
 stray
 signals from the neighbors controller from accidentally controlling your
 devices. UPB is supposed to be 99.9% reliable with a latency of less than
 100 milliseconds. Granted that still leaves a tenth of a percent of
 uncertainly. However that is without resorting to filters, couplers and 
 the
 like.

 Granted in an existing situation there may not be a way to run more
 wires, but I evaluated them a while back and decided to stay away.

 You may want to take another look at them. Just like Asterisk has made 
 great
 strides since the release of 0.7, UPB has brought the quality level way 
 up.
 Of course this higher quality also has a higher price.

 John


Anyone on the list interested on working on a project where we can create 
devices that work over Ethernet  ? 



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