Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
On 28 Mar 2007, at 21:51, Matt Gorecki wrote: I'm also in the market for a wi-fi phone. My boss currently has a cordless phone and wants to keep the same functionality. We have a robust wireless network in the office and the phone will be staying here, so roaming is not really an issue. Everybody in the office is still going to get wired phones regardless. I got a couple of nokia e60's and despite being a _royal_pain_ to configure I'm pretty happy with them. Don't give one to anyone who can't program their own VCR, the interface is a bit daunting at first. It's a delight to have your cell phone be your officephone the moment you step into the wifi pool :-) Tim Panton www.mexuar.net www.westhawk.co.uk/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Hi Tobias and the list, Yes, I have, I use and sell them to integrators ;-) But only the 600v3 family, not the older ISND or analog versions, and the current DECT handsets 40XX. Any Digium interfaces run well with them as any SIP IP-Phone, of course. The sound quality is GREAT and the infrastructure deployment possibilities wonderfull and scalable ! But, you must run a training with the company to well understand the how to do and capture the knowledge. I must also say that I am a radio guru and it's certainly easyer for me to understand this kind of equipments and how to avoid the deployment traps that an engineer who doesn't know what are radiocommunications but only VoIP. I have run them behind all current Asterisk versions, including the ASteriskNOW. Check about your codecs as usual. The last firmware from this last week suppresses few minor buggs occured during roaming in few previous cases. Best Regards, Francois BERGERET, France. -Message d'origine- De : Tobias Wolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 29 mars 2007 16:23 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: RE : [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi the list, Think Kirk solution ;-) www.kirktelecom.com Do you have this working in you enviroment ? Currently I have some test devices from Kirk (KIRK Wireless Server 600/3 with SIP protocoll and a couple of handsets). But i am not able to get audio between the handset and the destination then i call a zap channel. Calling another Kirk handset or another SIP phone (Snom) works quite well, then i dont put any options in the Dial Command. Otherwise i dont't get any audio also. Signalling a call is no problem. It would be great to hear from you if your setup work perfectly and what your enviroment is (Asterisk Version, type of Kirk Server). Thanks in advance, Tobias Wolf ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
Am Mittwoch, den 28.03.2007, 12:32 -0400 schrieb Brian Capouch:
Jordan Novak wrote:
Okay, I get it. I still have a problem though. I have no way to wire 30%
of these end-points. P{hysically impossible. They do have cat3 twisted
pair to each phone. But of course they want IP. Are there any adpaters
that will give me just enough bandwidth to get it done. The computer
network is all wireless so the phones would have all the bandwidth.
Some of the Wifi phones--at least under the relatively stable conditions
I have here--work very reliably.
I have 3 Starcom F1000s, and a) if they don't have to roam and b) they
don't have to connect dynamically to different servers, work just fine.
FYI. YMMV.
I still have problems with mine, in a non-roaming, fixed-server setup. I
cannot recommend using them in an office environment.
Depending on the cabling, 10MBit should do for VoIP. As an alternative,
you could still use analogue phones with a FXO/FXS card (sorry I use to
mixup those, I don't have too much analogue phone hardware anymore). Of
course this would give you the full market bandwidth of available
analogue phones.
BR
Anselm
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RE: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
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Novak
Okay, I get it. I still have a problem though. I have no way to wire
30%
of these end-points. P{hysically impossible. They do have cat3 twisted
pair to
each phone. But of course they want IP.
What phones do 'they' currently have on the end of this car3 twisted
pair? Could you use a phone adapter to reuse the phones and wiring?
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I am looking for completly wireless desktop phones. Until I realized we needed wireless i was going to use polycom soundpoint 501's. Any suggestions on a comparable wireless phone? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
Yeh Jordan, my suggestion is don't. If you read this list you'll find plenty of people complaining about wireless functionality, the hardware/technology just isn't there yet. Stick with wired phones and one or two wireless for particular people for now, maybe in 12-18 month things might change. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Novak Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2007 8:19 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones I am looking for completly wireless desktop phones. Until I realized we needed wireless i was going to use polycom soundpoint 501's. Any suggestions on a comparable wireless phone? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
Any comments on an ATA and an analog wireless? I've been doing it that way and it works well... Todd On Mar 28, 2007, at 8:31 AM, Dean Collins wrote: Yeh Jordan, my suggestion is don’t. If you read this list you’ll find plenty of people complaining about wireless functionality, the hardware/technology just isn’t there yet. Stick with wired phones and one or two wireless for particular people for now, maybe in 12-18 month things might change. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Dean Collins wrote: Yeh Jordan, my suggestion is don't. If you read this list you'll find plenty of people complaining about wireless functionality, the hardware/technology just isn't there yet. Stick with wired phones and one or two wireless for particular people for now, maybe in 12-18 month things might change. I would add to this by saying the same... (Assuming you're talking about Wi-Fi) The technology is there, but I'm not convinced it's robust enough - yet. I'm sure it will get there though. Wi-Fi has many issues - including performance - with many subscribers to a single base-station you'll experience drop-outs, packet loss, etc. However, if you're looking for wireless, then you might want to look at some of the DECT solutions - either by connecting analuge base stations to a TDM card, or using a SIP compatable base station. I've just deployed a pair of Siemens CP460IP's and just ordered a couple more. So-far so good. They aren't perfect - check the WiKi for some details though. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Siemens+Gigaset+C450IP And if you need to extend range, there are relay units avalable, although I've found coverage to be better than other DECT systems I've used. The down-side is that you can only (I think) have 6 base stations in any one area, so if you're looking to give everyone their own wireless phone, it may prove to be problematic - however I've not got the hard facts on number of DECT basestations, so I could be wrong here. On the WiFi side, the only phone I've played iwth is the UT Starcom F1000G, and while it works, most of the time, it's a bit too geeky for general use - it didn't pass the wife test... Good luck Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Novak Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2007 8:19 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones I am looking for completly wireless desktop phones. Until I realized we needed wireless i was going to use polycom soundpoint 501's. Any suggestions on a comparable wireless phone? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
Aastra has some new products coming that combine DECT with SIP, and look promising. Linksys also makes an 802.11G WIFI dongle that can be mated with their SPA-9XX series phones to untether them from your wired LAN, and have no direct feedback on these in a commercial deployment however. Cory Andrews From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd H Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:47 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones Any comments on an ATA and an analog wireless? I've been doing it that way and it works well... Todd On Mar 28, 2007, at 8:31 AM, Dean Collins wrote: Yeh Jordan, my suggestion is don't. If you read this list you'll find plenty of people complaining about wireless functionality, the hardware/technology just isn't there yet. Stick with wired phones and one or two wireless for particular people for now, maybe in 12-18 month things might change. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Okay, I get it. I still have a problem though. I have no way to wire 30%
of these end-points. P{hysically impossible. They do have cat3 twisted
pair to each phone. But of course they want IP. Are there any adpaters
that will give me just enough bandwidth to get it done. The computer
network is all wireless so the phones would have all the bandwidth.
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RE: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Henderson Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2007 8:53 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Dean Collins wrote: Yeh Jordan, my suggestion is don't. If you read this list you'll find plenty of people complaining about wireless functionality, the hardware/technology just isn't there yet. Stick with wired phones and one or two wireless for particular people for now, maybe in 12-18 month things might change. I would add to this by saying the same... (Assuming you're talking about Wi-Fi) The technology is there, but I'm not convinced it's robust enough - yet. I'm sure it will get there though. Wi-Fi has many issues - including performance - with many subscribers to a single base-station you'll experience drop-outs, packet loss, etc. However, if you're looking for wireless, then you might want to look at some of the DECT solutions - either by connecting analuge base stations to a TDM card, or using a SIP compatable base station. I've just deployed a pair of Siemens CP460IP's and just ordered a couple more. So-far so good. They aren't perfect - check the WiKi for some details though. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Siemens+Gigaset+C450IP And if you need to extend range, there are relay units avalable, although I've found coverage to be better than other DECT systems I've used. The down-side is that you can only (I think) have 6 base stations in any one area, so if you're looking to give everyone their own wireless phone, it may prove to be problematic - however I've not got the hard facts on number of DECT basestations, so I could be wrong here. On the WiFi side, the only phone I've played iwth is the UT Starcom F1000G, and while it works, most of the time, it's a bit too geeky for general use - it didn't pass the wife test... Good luck Gordon, If you need to have high density DECT then it's very easily achievable but like all things you need to move to a commercial situation rather than a domestic style gigaset. I used to sell commercial DECT solutions (eg starting at $40k+ - my largest individual site was a 250K solution). I've even seen an ericsson md110 with nothing but high density dect cards supporting a multi acre military facility. My point is you can have more than 6 handsets in a single 'zone'. To answer Jordan's original question - why do you want wifi? Do these people have desks? Monitors? Pc's connected to cables? Then don't be silly and try to give them wifi when the technology is too immature. If you ARE working in a trading situation where people don't have desks and are totally mobile then you need to use commercial DECT. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
Jordan Novak wrote: I am looking for completly wireless desktop phones. Until I realized we needed wireless i was going to use polycom soundpoint 501's. Any suggestions on a comparable I've been looking at 802.11g wireless 8 port switches. I have run into a few hits on Google, that may help. http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=434sec=0 Doug -- Ben Franklin quote: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
Jordan Novak wrote:
Okay, I get it. I still have a problem though. I have no way to wire
30% of these end-points. P{hysically impossible. They do have cat3
twisted pair to each phone. But of course they want IP. Are there any
adpaters that will give me just enough bandwidth to get it done. The
computer network is all wireless so the phones would have all the
bandwidth.
You should be able to use 10baseT over Cat 3 cables.
A half decent manageable 10/100 switch will be able to lock the ports to
10Mb. 10 megabits is plenty for voice.
Depending on the quality of the wiring, your mileage may vary. Take care
to use proper structured wiring techniques. Put Cat5 sockets on the desk
end and a patch panel in the closet. DO NOT crimp RJ45 connectors onto
building wiring. They are not meant for this type of cable and THEY WILL
NOT BE RELIABLE.
regards,
Drew
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RE: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
Aastra just released a DECT SIP solution. Supposedly they are the first to do so but who knows. I'm not affiliated with them so it's not a plug or anything. http://www.aastra.com/cps/rde/xchg/SID-3D8CCB73-12C98649/04/hs.xsl/21410.htm -Original Message- From: Gordon Henderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:53 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Dean Collins wrote: Yeh Jordan, my suggestion is don't. If you read this list you'll find plenty of people complaining about wireless functionality, the hardware/technology just isn't there yet. Stick with wired phones and one or two wireless for particular people for now, maybe in 12-18 month things might change. I would add to this by saying the same... (Assuming you're talking about Wi-Fi) The technology is there, but I'm not convinced it's robust enough - yet. I'm sure it will get there though. Wi-Fi has many issues - including performance - with many subscribers to a single base-station you'll experience drop-outs, packet loss, etc. However, if you're looking for wireless, then you might want to look at some of the DECT solutions - either by connecting analuge base stations to a TDM card, or using a SIP compatable base station. I've just deployed a pair of Siemens CP460IP's and just ordered a couple more. So-far so good. They aren't perfect - check the WiKi for some details though. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Siemens+Gigaset+C450IP And if you need to extend range, there are relay units avalable, although I've found coverage to be better than other DECT systems I've used. The down-side is that you can only (I think) have 6 base stations in any one area, so if you're looking to give everyone their own wireless phone, it may prove to be problematic - however I've not got the hard facts on number of DECT basestations, so I could be wrong here. On the WiFi side, the only phone I've played iwth is the UT Starcom F1000G, and while it works, most of the time, it's a bit too geeky for general use - it didn't pass the wife test... Good luck Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Novak Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2007 8:19 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones I am looking for completly wireless desktop phones. Until I realized we needed wireless i was going to use polycom soundpoint 501's. Any suggestions on a comparable wireless phone? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
Jordan Novak wrote:
Okay, I get it. I still have a problem though. I have no way to wire 30%
of these end-points. P{hysically impossible. They do have cat3 twisted
pair to each phone. But of course they want IP. Are there any adpaters
that will give me just enough bandwidth to get it done. The computer
network is all wireless so the phones would have all the bandwidth.
Some of the Wifi phones--at least under the relatively stable conditions
I have here--work very reliably.
I have 3 Starcom F1000s, and a) if they don't have to roam and b) they
don't have to connect dynamically to different servers, work just fine.
FYI. YMMV.
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Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
The RFP 32 access point that comes with Aastra solution reminds a product sold by DeTeWe, a company Aastra bought months ago. At that time, I thought it was a Kirk OEM but I've got no elements proving it (just by looking at both products). Cheers ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
Jordan Novak wrote: I am looking for completly wireless desktop phones. Until I realized we needed wireless i was going to use polycom soundpoint 501's. Any suggestions on a comparable wireless phone? If you enjoy being miserable and having your phones not work, by all means, use a wi-fi phone. Frankly, it's worth the extra coin to get a cable run done to wherever you need it. -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Jordan Novak wrote:
Okay, I get it. I still have a problem though. I have no way to wire 30%
of these end-points. P{hysically impossible. They do have cat3 twisted
pair to each phone.
If they have Cat 3 to each phone, how can it be physically impossible?
Is it *physically* impossible, or is the client emotionally unready for
the implications?
If they are going to VoIP, it is time to do proper cabling and put in
Cat 5e or Cat 6 cable, and do multiple runs per workstation. Diddling
around is for the radio club.
(Another poster pointed out that Cat3 can do 10BaseT, but most Cat3
installations are so old that I wouldn't place my trust in them for
anything requiring the level of reliability people expect of their voice
equipment.)
Voice equipment should work well and all the time -- five 9's
reliability. You're only going to get that by being rigorous.
-Stephen-
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Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
I'm also in the market for a wi-fi phone. My boss currently has a cordless phone and wants to keep the same functionality. We have a robust wireless network in the office and the phone will be staying here, so roaming is not really an issue. Everybody in the office is still going to get wired phones regardless. Matt Gorecki Tempest Technologies http://www.tempesttech.com Stephen Bosch wrote: Jordan Novak wrote: I am looking for completly wireless desktop phones. Until I realized we needed wireless i was going to use polycom soundpoint 501's. Any suggestions on a comparable wireless phone? If you enjoy being miserable and having your phones not work, by all means, use a wi-fi phone. Frankly, it's worth the extra coin to get a cable run done to wherever you need it. -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus provided by Tempest Technologies, LLC] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE : [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
Hi the list, Think Kirk solution ;-) www.kirktelecom.com This is an DECT/GAP infrastructure solution, and the bases can be seen as something like SIP/DECT gateways. Each wireless phone is like a separate IP phone from Asterisk side. You can use several bases and repeaters (only radio link, no Ethernet cable) to extend the range and have a global coverage into customers buildings. Very incredible, powerfull and scalable solution ! I think it's probably the only one with such a class and commercial grade. Best Regards, Francois BERGERET, France. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Just be careful with any multi vendor GAP solution (GAP is Generic Access Profile - which means you are supposed to be able to take a handset from any vendor and match it with a base station from any vendor) Basically it's like any standardsure you get basic functionality but you'll often find advanced features are outside the defined spec. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2007 5:32 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE : [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones Hi the list, Think Kirk solution ;-) www.kirktelecom.com This is an DECT/GAP infrastructure solution, and the bases can be seen as something like SIP/DECT gateways. Each wireless phone is like a separate IP phone from Asterisk side. You can use several bases and repeaters (only radio link, no Ethernet cable) to extend the range and have a global coverage into customers buildings. Very incredible, powerfull and scalable solution ! I think it's probably the only one with such a class and commercial grade. Best Regards, Francois BERGERET, France. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones
In that respect I'd rather recommend the Linksys WIP300. After initial
frustration it does work great. Roaming actually works pretty well
with perhaps 250ms of silence and or distortion if you have really
good overlapping coverage. People like to blame WiFi for poor
scalability. No doubt it's a challenge.The operators of mobile
networks spend how much planning on cell sites in addition to being
licensed frequencies? You can achieve the same high-quality coverage
with WiFi if you put as much planning and engineering into it. But in
that case you'd probably run Avaya, perhaps Cisco Call Manager and
Spectralink.
On 3/28/07, Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jordan Novak wrote:
Okay, I get it. I still have a problem though. I have no way to wire 30%
of these end-points. P{hysically impossible. They do have cat3 twisted
pair to each phone. But of course they want IP. Are there any ad
What I would like to know, and do not understand, is the relationship
between the code in chan_skinny.c which sets up the softkeys which are
implimented and the actual key positions on the phone. With this info,
I can hack the code to impliment other of the keys (ie. speed dial,
etc.).paters
that will give me just enough bandwidth to get it done. The computer
network is all wireless so the phones would have all the bandwidth.
Some of the Wifi phones--at least under the relatively stable conditions
I have here--work very reliably.
I have 3 Starcom F1000s, and a) if they don't have to roam and b) they
don't have to connect dynamically to different servers, work just fine.
FYI. YMMV.
B.
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