Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
It is a good resource for neck tie non-geeks in small offices and will hopefully evangelize many of the uhh, it's open source and it is for free = so this could not be good heathens. Michael On Jul 8, 2004, at 11:19 PM, usedcanon wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harold Workman Sent: 08 July 2004 20:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. what does that have to do with an overpriced book? and i agree with Joe. With this book sourcing most of the documentation directly from wiki, why pay for something thats free? Id rather donate $49 to keeping wiki free to the enviroment. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 22:02, Kevin Walsh wrote: In my experience, the royalty is 10 to 15% of the *wholesale* price, which means it's more like two to three bucks a book. Trust me, unless you're Stephen King, John Grisham, or someone like that, you don't make all that much writing books (at least directly). All the more reason for the author to consider OpenDoc publishing. At the time I started the first book (which technically, someone else started, I ended up taking over), I don't think that was an option. By the second book (which was just an update of the first), I couldn't do OpenDoc because I was basically under contract with the publisher. Authors of technical books tend to make more money out of consulting anyway, as they're seen as an expert in their field. That assumes, of course, the author still wants to work in that field by the time the book is published. :) -- PhoneBoy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
On 08/07/2004 at 22:19 usedcanon wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harold Workman Sent: 08 July 2004 20:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. what does that have to do with an overpriced book? and i agree with Joe. With this book sourcing most of the documentation directly from wiki, why pay for something thats free? Id rather donate $49 to keeping wiki free to the enviroment. I second that, I think a more reasonably priced book in PDF fromat would have been better. Umar. Late last year I was approached by a publisher asking if I would be interested in writing an asterisk book. I said a polite no (after some discussion) for a number of reasons: 1. Precisely what the author of this book is experiencing. Being bitchslapped by the asterisk community, for no apparent good reason. Since very few of the people on this list have actually read the book this early critism and mud slinging appears unfounded. Let's face it - the biggest failing of asterisk is it's lack of documentation. Sure there are guides, documentation projects.. but all of these rely on people giving up their free time... and since we don't have much of that, progress is slow. Anything that helps document asterisk and how to get it set up can't be all that bad. 2. I hand't heard of the publisher before, and a google search didn't turn up the most favourable links. 3. Asterisk changes day by day.. If I'd gone with it the book would have been out by now and (aside from being bitchslapped) I'd probably immediately have had to start a 2nd edition.. I'm not a writer... I can't even spell properly. I don't know what the author was offered, but if it was just 15% then perhaps the deal I was offered wasn't as bad as I thought... At $49 it is quite expensive, however, when funds allow I'll more than likely buy a copy out of interest - I consider myself fairly a well seasoned asterisk person, but hey it might teach me something too... I'm prepared to give it a chance. All IMHO of course... Andy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
--- Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/07/2004 at 22:19 usedcanon wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harold Workman Sent: 08 July 2004 20:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. what does that have to do with an overpriced book? and i agree with Joe. With this book sourcing most of the documentation directly from wiki, why pay for something thats free? Id rather donate $49 to keeping wiki free to the enviroment. I second that, I think a more reasonably priced book in PDF fromat would have been better. Umar. Late last year I was approached by a publisher asking if I would be interested in writing an asterisk book. I said a polite no (after some discussion) for a number of reasons: 1. Precisely what the author of this book is experiencing. Being bitchslapped by the asterisk community, for no apparent good reason. Since very few of the people on this list have actually read the book this early critism and mud slinging appears unfounded. Let's face it - the biggest failing of asterisk is it's lack of documentation. Sure there are guides, documentation projects.. but all of these rely on people giving up their free time... and since we don't have much of that, progress is slow. Anything that helps document asterisk and how to get it set up can't be all that bad. 2. I hand't heard of the publisher before, and a google search didn't turn up the most favourable links. 3. Asterisk changes day by day.. If I'd gone with it the book would have been out by now and (aside from being bitchslapped) I'd probably immediately have had to start a 2nd edition.. I'm not a writer... I can't even spell properly. I don't know what the author was offered, but if it was just 15% then perhaps the deal I was offered wasn't as bad as I thought... At $49 it is quite expensive, however, when funds allow I'll more than likely buy a copy out of interest - I consider myself fairly a well seasoned asterisk person, but hey it might teach me something too... I'm prepared to give it a chance. All IMHO of course... Andy You make some very valid points. And to be honest I applaud the authors effort in documentation. However, the price etc I think is a bit on the high side. For something that with the best effort is not going to be complete, simply due to the fluid nature of asterisk, I think it would have been better to have had a PDF offering with a promise of updates for a certain period. Same as you, all of course IMHO ... On a separate note, I would like to see those criticising (myself included) to make an effort and write a book themselves. Umar. ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
William, I guess it was a bad idea to have on the website one of the examples stating Much of the information in the book came from the Asterisk Wiki pages. Which is the sole reason for my bashing on the book. I can see having a book like this will ease others concerns on running a free open source pbx that are not familiar with Asterisk. There can never be too much documentation. What are the signate's thoughts on having a lower cost PDF file for download? --- Harold Workman CCNA, CCNP Cytel Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph. 281-449-4000 x3098 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of William Boehlke Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. As an interested party to the Mahler book VoIP Telephony with Asterisk, I would like to clarify a point about it. We encourage anyone who is not an Asterisk beginner to send $50 to the Wiki instead of buying the book, and we acknowledge the Wiki (that's where the confusion began) as a source of some material. That acknowledgement is in one of the sample pages on our site, which probably began the confusion. But the book is the 320 page product of nine months of independent work. We built a dozen systems during the course of writing it to test and implement features and options. Mark Spencer and the Digium technical staff contributed information, advice and equipment. Eight competent engineers, some of them active here every day, gave it a technical review. As a former beginner, in my opinion the index alone is worth the price compared to the time it took me to locate information. Thanks for listening. William Boehlke Signate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of usedcanon Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harold Workman Sent: 08 July 2004 20:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. what does that have to do with an overpriced book? and i agree with Joe. With this book sourcing most of the documentation directly from wiki, why pay for something thats free? Id rather donate $49 to keeping wiki free to the enviroment. I second that, I think a more reasonably priced book in PDF fromat would have been better. Umar. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
I have to agree with andy's comments the lack of documentation is * biggest downfall. Andy gave me a lot of help getting * up and running, without much of the help I probably would have not been able to see the full potention of *. Kind Regards, Chris Bond Late last year I was approached by a publisher asking if I would be interested in writing an asterisk book. I said a polite no (after some discussion) for a number of reasons: ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
You're so right Harold. :-) We have a lot on our plate right now, but plan to place information into pdf form over time. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harold Workman Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 6:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. William, I guess it was a bad idea to have on the website one of the examples stating Much of the information in the book came from the Asterisk Wiki pages. Which is the sole reason for my bashing on the book. I can see having a book like this will ease others concerns on running a free open source pbx that are not familiar with Asterisk. There can never be too much documentation. What are the signate's thoughts on having a lower cost PDF file for download? --- Harold Workman CCNA, CCNP Cytel Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph. 281-449-4000 x3098 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of William Boehlke Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. As an interested party to the Mahler book VoIP Telephony with Asterisk, I would like to clarify a point about it. We encourage anyone who is not an Asterisk beginner to send $50 to the Wiki instead of buying the book, and we acknowledge the Wiki (that's where the confusion began) as a source of some material. That acknowledgement is in one of the sample pages on our site, which probably began the confusion. But the book is the 320 page product of nine months of independent work. We built a dozen systems during the course of writing it to test and implement features and options. Mark Spencer and the Digium technical staff contributed information, advice and equipment. Eight competent engineers, some of them active here every day, gave it a technical review. As a former beginner, in my opinion the index alone is worth the price compared to the time it took me to locate information. Thanks for listening. William Boehlke Signate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of usedcanon Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harold Workman Sent: 08 July 2004 20:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. what does that have to do with an overpriced book? and i agree with Joe. With this book sourcing most of the documentation directly from wiki, why pay for something thats free? Id rather donate $49 to keeping wiki free to the enviroment. I second that, I think a more reasonably priced book in PDF fromat would have been better. Umar. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
Dameon D. Welch-Abernathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my experience, the royalty is 10 to 15% of the *wholesale* price, which means it's more like two to three bucks a book. Trust me, unless you're Stephen King, John Grisham, or someone like that, you don't make all that much writing books (at least directly). All the more reason for the author to consider OpenDoc publishing. At the time I started the first book (which technically, someone else started, I ended up taking over), I don't think that was an option. By the second book (which was just an update of the first), I couldn't do OpenDoc because I was basically under contract with the publisher. That's fair enough. I thought I'd point it out because a lot of people are not aware of OpenDoc publishing. Future authors (those not under contract) should take a serious look. -- _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ K e v i n W a l s h _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
Joe Babstock wrote: There is finally an introductory book about Asterisk! It looks like Paul Mahler at www.signate.com wrote it with a lot of help from Digium. I looked at the sample pages, it looks great. And how do you know it's a good book? I wouldn't mind a review and I may purchase the book (I doubt I qualify as a reviewer as I haven't yet figured this VoIP stuff out yet). I'm not really sure a few pages qualifies for a review. BTW, please excuse me if Paul is a frequent contributor to the mail list. I just found the method of announcement a bit suspect (I'm not say Paul posted this either). -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
we should buy it and encourage everyone to do so, that will support whoever took the initiative to write a book on Asterisk, which has been long overdue. DH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. I think I will pass. $49 for something free on the wiki seems too expensive. A cheaper PDF would would save a tree and probably be more reasonable in cost. - Original Message - From: Joe Babstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. There is finally an introductory book about Asterisk! It looks like Paul Mahler at www.signate.com wrote it with a lot of help from Digium. I looked at the sample pages, it looks great. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
This is true but school cost money -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. I think I will pass. $49 for something free on the wiki seems too expensive. A cheaper PDF would would save a tree and probably be more reasonable in cost. - Original Message - From: Joe Babstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. There is finally an introductory book about Asterisk! It looks like Paul Mahler at www.signate.com wrote it with a lot of help from Digium. I looked at the sample pages, it looks great. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
Hello, I was a reviewer of the book, and it is a good beginner book. At over 260 pages it isn't exactly small and it does contain a lot of information that is not in the wiki, especially on telco topics and a very in-depth overview of Cisco IP phones. It does a good job of going over the basics of Asterisk, which in itself is a difficult task as some of the basics of Asterisk change rather frequently. It is a beginner book and doesn't cover some more advanced and more specialized topics, but it would be a good way for someone who had no understanding of the telco/VOIP world to get into Asterisk and set up their first test system. $50 is a bit steep for a book, but I can tell you that they did put a lot of effort into creating a comprehensive intro to Asterisk with a great deal of the material being written by the authors from scratch, and Asterisk is still quite a niche market relative to other cheaper technology books out there justifying the cost a bit more. MATT--- -Original Message- From: Neil Cherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. Joe Babstock wrote: There is finally an introductory book about Asterisk! It looks like Paul Mahler at www.signate.com wrote it with a lot of help from Digium. I looked at the sample pages, it looks great. And how do you know it's a good book? I wouldn't mind a review and I may purchase the book (I doubt I qualify as a reviewer as I haven't yet figured this VoIP stuff out yet). I'm not really sure a few pages qualifies for a review. BTW, please excuse me if Paul is a frequent contributor to the mail list. I just found the method of announcement a bit suspect (I'm not say Paul posted this either). -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
what does that have to do with an overpriced book? and i agree with Joe. With this book sourcing most of the documentation directly from wiki, why pay for something thats free? Id rather donate $49 to keeping wiki free to the enviroment. --- Harold Workman CCNA, CCNP Cytel Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph. 281-449-4000 x3098 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Kenney Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 12:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. This is true but school cost money -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. I think I will pass. $49 for something free on the wiki seems too expensive. A cheaper PDF would would save a tree and probably be more reasonable in cost. - Original Message - From: Joe Babstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. There is finally an introductory book about Asterisk! It looks like Paul Mahler at www.signate.com wrote it with a lot of help from Digium. I looked at the sample pages, it looks great. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
When it shows up on Amazon.com, I may pick one up, but I don't see it there yet. Doug Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-07-08 09:12:56 -0700]: we should buy it and encourage everyone to do so, that will support whoever took the initiative to write a book on Asterisk, which has been long overdue. DH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. I think I will pass. $49 for something free on the wiki seems too expensive. A cheaper PDF would would save a tree and probably be more reasonable in cost. - Original Message - From: Joe Babstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. There is finally an introductory book about Asterisk! It looks like Paul Mahler at www.signate.com wrote it with a lot of help from Digium. I looked at the sample pages, it looks great. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harold Workman Sent: 08 July 2004 20:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. what does that have to do with an overpriced book? and i agree with Joe. With this book sourcing most of the documentation directly from wiki, why pay for something thats free? Id rather donate $49 to keeping wiki free to the enviroment. I second that, I think a more reasonably priced book in PDF fromat would have been better. Umar. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
also, PDFs are nice and searchable. I am sure the motive behind a paper book is to limit people sharing it or it ending up on Limewire or something. - Original Message - From: Brian Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. When it shows up on Amazon.com, I may pick one up, but I don't see it there yet. Doug Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-07-08 09:12:56 -0700]: we should buy it and encourage everyone to do so, that will support whoever took the initiative to write a book on Asterisk, which has been long overdue. DH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Totaro Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. I think I will pass. $49 for something free on the wiki seems too expensive. A cheaper PDF would would save a tree and probably be more reasonable in cost. - Original Message - From: Joe Babstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. There is finally an introductory book about Asterisk! It looks like Paul Mahler at www.signate.com wrote it with a lot of help from Digium. I looked at the sample pages, it looks great. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
I've been reading drafts of this book for at least nine months and can assure you that its content is very different than what is available on the Wiki. The book is an excellent introduction to VOIP in general, and offers sufficient information for the novice to configure a basic Asterisk system. Advanced Asterisk users will still need the Wiki and mailing list archives. Perhaps a future edition of the book might cover more advanced topics, but the first edition is intended for beginners. Perhaps the most important thing that this book will accomplsih is to increase general awareness about Asterisk being a very reliable, full-featured PBX. Harold Workman wrote: what does that have to do with an overpriced book? and i agree with Joe. With this book sourcing most of the documentation directly from wiki, why pay for something thats free? Id rather donate $49 to keeping wiki free to the enviroment. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
As an interested party to the Mahler book VoIP Telephony with Asterisk, I would like to clarify a point about it. We encourage anyone who is not an Asterisk beginner to send $50 to the Wiki instead of buying the book, and we acknowledge the Wiki (that's where the confusion began) as a source of some material. That acknowledgement is in one of the sample pages on our site, which probably began the confusion. But the book is the 320 page product of nine months of independent work. We built a dozen systems during the course of writing it to test and implement features and options. Mark Spencer and the Digium technical staff contributed information, advice and equipment. Eight competent engineers, some of them active here every day, gave it a technical review. As a former beginner, in my opinion the index alone is worth the price compared to the time it took me to locate information. Thanks for listening. William Boehlke Signate -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of usedcanon Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harold Workman Sent: 08 July 2004 20:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. what does that have to do with an overpriced book? and i agree with Joe. With this book sourcing most of the documentation directly from wiki, why pay for something thats free? Id rather donate $49 to keeping wiki free to the enviroment. I second that, I think a more reasonably priced book in PDF fromat would have been better. Umar. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
$50 is a bit steep for a book Usually author of a book makes 10 to 15 percent of the cover price. So whoever who wrote this book will get 5 bucks a book. Unlike a book widely used, for an example PHP or MySQl, which will sell lot more copies, a book on * will have a narrower readership. Therefore I think price has to be set bit higher than a programming book. It may not be helpful for most of us, but I guess the effort is praiseworthy, knowing that he can't make a fortune out of it. SW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mattf Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:47 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. Hello, I was a reviewer of the book, and it is a good beginner book. At over 260 pages it isn't exactly small and it does contain a lot of information that is not in the wiki, especially on telco topics and a very in-depth overview of Cisco IP phones. It does a good job of going over the basics of Asterisk, which in itself is a difficult task as some of the basics of Asterisk change rather frequently. It is a beginner book and doesn't cover some more advanced and more specialized topics, but it would be a good way for someone who had no understanding of the telco/VOIP world to get into Asterisk and set up their first test system. $50 is a bit steep for a book, but I can tell you that they did put a lot of effort into creating a comprehensive intro to Asterisk with a great deal of the material being written by the authors from scratch, and Asterisk is still quite a niche market relative to other cheaper technology books out there justifying the cost a bit more. MATT--- -Original Message- From: Neil Cherry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk. Joe Babstock wrote: There is finally an introductory book about Asterisk! It looks like Paul Mahler at www.signate.com wrote it with a lot of help from Digium. I looked at the sample pages, it looks great. And how do you know it's a good book? I wouldn't mind a review and I may purchase the book (I doubt I qualify as a reviewer as I haven't yet figured this VoIP stuff out yet). I'm not really sure a few pages qualifies for a review. BTW, please excuse me if Paul is a frequent contributor to the mail list. I just found the method of announcement a bit suspect (I'm not say Paul posted this either). -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
From: William Boehlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] We encourage anyone who is not an Asterisk beginner to send $50 to the Wiki instead of buying the book, Nice suggestion. The Wiki is not really in need of donations at the moment. It is being fully sponsored by www.commpartners.us So I would encourage you instead of sending money, to spend some time adding or updating content on the Wiki (www.voip-info.org) I'd also like to acknowledge all of the many contributors that have made the Wiki into a useful resource. Thanks. Jim James H. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
Wow, I admire you James, that was a a gesture. Thanks to the good people at commpartners.com. Thanks for wiki, probably saved my job and a big headache a couple of times. Nevertheless i plan to buy the book. PEOPLE TOMORROW NINTH WE SHALL ALL DRINK A BEER AT 10:00 ON BEHALF OF THE WIKI. nah, i don't want all your wife's to come after me after you tell them that i said you must do this. So just go on with your lifes. also I'm nobody to suggest something like this :-P But thanks people @ voip-info.com and people that write to voip-info.com On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 20:56, James H. Thompson wrote: From: William Boehlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] We encourage anyone who is not an Asterisk beginner to send $50 to the Wiki instead of buying the book, Nice suggestion. The Wiki is not really in need of donations at the moment. It is being fully sponsored by www.commpartners.us So I would encourage you instead of sending money, to spend some time adding or updating content on the Wiki (www.voip-info.org) I'd also like to acknowledge all of the many contributors that have made the Wiki into a useful resource. Thanks. Jim James H. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
REDHAT linux is charging for redhat certifications :P HAHAHA. NOW we need digium to start training and certify in asterisk. (* itselft is more complicated than linux as an OS, so it makes more sence than redhat training) Just though of it. POWER TO THE * On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 20:56, James H. Thompson wrote: From: William Boehlke [EMAIL PROTECTED] We encourage anyone who is not an Asterisk beginner to send $50 to the Wiki instead of buying the book, Nice suggestion. The Wiki is not really in need of donations at the moment. It is being fully sponsored by www.commpartners.us So I would encourage you instead of sending money, to spend some time adding or updating content on the Wiki (www.voip-info.org) I'd also like to acknowledge all of the many contributors that have made the Wiki into a useful resource. Thanks. Jim James H. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 16:44, Sathya wrote: $50 is a bit steep for a book Usually author of a book makes 10 to 15 percent of the cover price. So whoever who wrote this book will get 5 bucks a book. In my experience, the royalty is 10 to 15% of the *wholesale* price, which means it's more like two to three bucks a book. Trust me, unless you're Stephen King, John Grisham, or someone like that, you don't make all that much writing books (at least directly). -- PhoneBoy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] FINALLY! a good book about Asterisk.
Dameon D. Welch-Abernathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-07-08 at 16:44, Sathya wrote: $50 is a bit steep for a book Usually author of a book makes 10 to 15 percent of the cover price. So whoever who wrote this book will get 5 bucks a book. In my experience, the royalty is 10 to 15% of the *wholesale* price, which means it's more like two to three bucks a book. Trust me, unless you're Stephen King, John Grisham, or someone like that, you don't make all that much writing books (at least directly). All the more reason for the author to consider OpenDoc publishing. Authors of technical books tend to make more money out of consulting anyway, as they're seen as an expert in their field. -- _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ K e v i n W a l s h _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
