Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 21:48, Nicolas Bougues wrote: This last hop may be the source of your problem. Since I believe it's not a trans-continent link, it's either : - a very congestioned link - a router with serious problems at hop 13 (or maybe 12). You should contact whoever manages westloc.com We are aware of the problem. It is indeed a router problem and we are working on fixing it - main headache is as with all strange problems when I think I'm getting close to the cure, the problem disappears :( If it affected only one IP address (or subnet) I'd stand a chance - but the problem seems to move around our subnets appearingly at random. I'm taking delivery of a new set of routers so I can just replace both in one hit and then fault find in the lab :) Jon westloc.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
Hi, I have recently used the service from Magrathea, a UK IAX provider. So far Voice quality is perfect. You can mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Azher --- http://www.consulttech.com.pk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tmpm Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider Yeah, primarily fired at them from large telcos with infinite bandwidth... At 11:01 4/21/2004, you wrote: Wait till DDOS/extortion scams start hitting voip providers! Panny ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:24:06PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote: Currently using voiptalk.org and the quality is getting really bad. I would like a second provider preferably in UK, anyone got any suggestions? That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet. Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS across their network for VoIP traffic. Or find someone with infinite bandwidth. Steve -- NetTek Ltd Phone/Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 SMS steve-epage (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
Yes, but, I am talking about this world. Ive got 2mb up/down with qos, just need another (good) provider. If I can try a few and see which is best. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Kennedy Sent: 21 April 2004 15:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:24:06PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote: Currently using voiptalk.org and the quality is getting really bad. I would like a second provider preferably in UK, anyone got any suggestions? That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet. Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS across their network for VoIP traffic. Or find someone with infinite bandwidth. Steve -- NetTek Ltd Phone/Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 SMS steve-epage (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 09:32, Steve Kennedy wrote: That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet. Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS across their network for VoIP traffic. LOL! I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved enough money at them. -- Eric Wieling * BTEL Consulting * 504-899-1387 x2111 In a related story, the IRS has recently ruled that the cost of Windows upgrades can NOT be deducted as a gambling loss. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
Craig, 2mb up/down with QoS doesn't mean anything, especially when you hit the Internet. What is better is to look at the exact route of your calls and then determine whether maybe there are some other issues. For instance, we had a customer with Ciscos who was reporting choppy audio. However, this was down to a bug in asterisk (http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001374) and cvs updating fixed the problem. Tan Telappliant.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Waddington Sent: 21 April 2004 15:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider Yes, but, I am talking about this world. Ive got 2mb up/down with qos, just need another (good) provider. If I can try a few and see which is best. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Kennedy Sent: 21 April 2004 15:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:24:06PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote: Currently using voiptalk.org and the quality is getting really bad. I would like a second provider preferably in UK, anyone got any suggestions? That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet. Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS across their network for VoIP traffic. Or find someone with infinite bandwidth. Steve -- NetTek Ltd Phone/Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 SMS steve-epage (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
In the UK, with the sort of equipment that BT has in its network, you're lucky to even get adsl going through! ISPs can only provide QoS up to a certain boundary. After that it is out of their control! Tan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Wieling Sent: 21 April 2004 15:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 09:32, Steve Kennedy wrote: That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet. Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS across their network for VoIP traffic. LOL! I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved enough money at them. -- Eric Wieling * BTEL Consulting * 504-899-1387 x2111 In a related story, the IRS has recently ruled that the cost of Windows upgrades can NOT be deducted as a gambling loss. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
Wait till DDOS/extortion scams start hitting voip providers! Panny - Original Message - From: Eric Wieling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 09:32, Steve Kennedy wrote: That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet. Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS across their network for VoIP traffic. LOL! I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved enough money at them. -- Eric Wieling * BTEL Consulting * 504-899-1387 x2111 In a related story, the IRS has recently ruled that the cost of Windows upgrades can NOT be deducted as a gambling loss. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
Steve Kennedy wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:24:06PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote: Currently using voiptalk.org and the quality is getting really bad. I would like a second provider preferably in UK, anyone got any suggestions? That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet. Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS across their network for VoIP traffic. Or find someone with infinite bandwidth. Steve QoS on the internet!! That will be the day.. I can see it now, all the P2P software will set their programs to run with maximum priority and then publish that they have the fastest system.. I know BT is thinking about creating QoS facilities on the DSL but its not available yet and will cost extra.. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 04:02:21PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the UK, with the sort of equipment that BT has in its network, you're lucky to even get adsl going through! ISPs can only provide QoS up to a certain boundary. After that it is out of their control! It depends on what you're trying to do. There are various ISP's in the UK that run IP/MPLS networks with metrics suitable for carrying voice traffic. They can run QoS services in and out of their networks to customers utilising leased lines/LES/or SOME forms of DSL. Of course going to another providers network (in the UK) generally goes through LINX and that's a congested exchange with no guarantees. Some networks do have private interconnects and either run QoS across the interconnect or just have enough bandwidth so contention across the interconnect never occurs. Steve -- NetTek Ltd Phone/Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 SMS steve-epage (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
Haven't used them, but on my travels have come across: http://www.magrathea-telecom.co.uk Like I said, I don't know anything about them, but seem to remember that they are an IAX provider. Cheers Matt Wait till DDOS/extortion scams start hitting voip providers! Panny - Original Message - From: Eric Wieling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 09:32, Steve Kennedy wrote: That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet. Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS across their network for VoIP traffic. LOL! I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved enough money at them. -- Eric Wieling * BTEL Consulting * 504-899-1387 x2111 In a related story, the IRS has recently ruled that the cost of Windows upgrades can NOT be deducted as a gambling loss. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
Thanks Tan. I will look into it my end. Unfortunately it isn't happening from just one location, and a variety of phones. The quality used to be perfect, the odd call would be a little jittery/choppy, but now most are like that, I am running asterisk stable with eicon diva cards. 3.0Ghz dell 2GB ram. 1 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms 10.5.0.1 217 ms14 ms14 ms 195.10.119.94 317 ms14 ms14 ms 195.10.119.158 422 ms14 ms15 ms 217.23.160.1 515 ms15 ms31 ms 217.23.162.122 617 ms15 ms14 ms 217.23.160.85 719 ms18 ms14 ms 217.23.160.186 830 ms26 ms29 ms tier1-1.BUD2.psie.net [154.14.68.113] 931 ms39 ms29 ms linx1.teleglobe.net [195.66.224.51] 1026 ms28 ms30 ms if-0-0-0.bb2.London.Teleglobe.net [195.219.96.81 ] 1159 ms87 ms 108 ms ix-3-1-0-822.bb2.London.Teleglobe.net [195.219.2 .34] 1276 ms54 ms54 ms wi2.westloc.com [82.145.32.2] 13 229 ms 239 ms 187 ms wc3-10.westloc.com [82.145.32.73] Trace complete. I don't know if asterisk is reporting this right, but all day on the console I am seeing voiptalk unreachable, then 5 secs later reachable? IAX.conf allow=ulaw allow=alaw jitterbuffer=500 maxexcessbuffer=300 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2004 16:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider Craig, 2mb up/down with QoS doesn't mean anything, especially when you hit the Internet. What is better is to look at the exact route of your calls and then determine whether maybe there are some other issues. For instance, we had a customer with Ciscos who was reporting choppy audio. However, this was down to a bug in asterisk (http://bugs.digium.com/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0001374) and cvs updating fixed the problem. Tan Telappliant.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Waddington Sent: 21 April 2004 15:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider Yes, but, I am talking about this world. Ive got 2mb up/down with qos, just need another (good) provider. If I can try a few and see which is best. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Kennedy Sent: 21 April 2004 15:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:24:06PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote: Currently using voiptalk.org and the quality is getting really bad. I would like a second provider preferably in UK, anyone got any suggestions? That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet. Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS across their network for VoIP traffic. Or find someone with infinite bandwidth. Steve -- NetTek Ltd Phone/Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 SMS steve-epage (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
Hahahhaaa your right there Tan. List, don't get me wrong, voiptalk are very good, service, support, price, I am just having some issues which may be my end. I was just wanting to try some iax providers out to see what worked best for us. Hopefully will get sorted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2004 16:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider In the UK, with the sort of equipment that BT has in its network, you're lucky to even get adsl going through! ISPs can only provide QoS up to a certain boundary. After that it is out of their control! Tan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Wieling Sent: 21 April 2004 15:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 09:32, Steve Kennedy wrote: That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet. Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS across their network for VoIP traffic. LOL! I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved enough money at them. -- Eric Wieling * BTEL Consulting * 504-899-1387 x2111 In a related story, the IRS has recently ruled that the cost of Windows upgrades can NOT be deducted as a gambling loss. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 16:12, Matt wrote: Haven't used them, but on my travels have come across: http://www.magrathea-telecom.co.uk Like I said, I don't know anything about them, but seem to remember that they are an IAX provider. I haven't used Magrathea for anything 'production' yet, but the initial tests I did were good, and Linus is a very friendly helpful bloke who will be happy to 'hook you up' =) Cheers, Gavin. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
That's the trouble with running VoIP over contended public Internet. Find someone who can offer you connectivity with QoS and then has QoS across their network for VoIP traffic. LOL! I've not found any providers that offer QoS on their network other than a small regional ISP that put QoS on their network when we waved enough money at them. FWIW, we were recently engaged to identify a VoIP problem associated with a DS3 trade show link provided by a major Internet provider. The reported problem by our client was essentially: a DSL circuit at the trade show is providing rock solid voip service, however a dedicated DS3 is providing very poor voip quality with a single workstation. The client wanted to demo a bunch of workstations running voip, etc, so a single DSL was not going to cut it. The problem turned out to be QoS had been implemented on the Internet-based DS3 from the Washington DC area to Nebraska (not requested, not expected). The client had ordered the DS3 with a certain CIR which was believed to have been mostly a billing approach (not a technical implementation). The solution actually ended up being one of implementing QoS on their XP demo workstations (simple checkmark in IP definitions), and the DS3 nicely handled several voip sessions very reliably. Surprised: Yes!!! The point of that is there are some backbone providers that have done something in terms of QoS even though its not openly discussed or advertised. Could it be some form of pre-sales technical testing or whatever? Sure. Pure guess: I'd suspect some major ISPs are playing/testing/evaluating approaches, or, may have implemented something technically that enforces a CIR on an ordinary DS3. Rich ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
Yeah, primarily fired at them from large telcos with infinite bandwidth... At 11:01 4/21/2004, you wrote: Wait till DDOS/extortion scams start hitting voip providers! Panny ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Help choosing a UK IAX provider
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 04:18:51PM +0100, Craig Waddington wrote: 1 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms 10.5.0.1 217 ms14 ms14 ms 195.10.119.94 317 ms14 ms14 ms 195.10.119.158 422 ms14 ms15 ms 217.23.160.1 515 ms15 ms31 ms 217.23.162.122 617 ms15 ms14 ms 217.23.160.85 719 ms18 ms14 ms 217.23.160.186 830 ms26 ms29 ms tier1-1.BUD2.psie.net [154.14.68.113] 931 ms39 ms29 ms linx1.teleglobe.net [195.66.224.51] 1026 ms28 ms30 ms if-0-0-0.bb2.London.Teleglobe.net [195.219.96.81 ] 1159 ms87 ms 108 ms ix-3-1-0-822.bb2.London.Teleglobe.net [195.219.2 .34] 1276 ms54 ms54 ms wi2.westloc.com [82.145.32.2] 13 229 ms 239 ms 187 ms wc3-10.westloc.com [82.145.32.73] This last hop may be the source of your problem. Since I believe it's not a trans-continent link, it's either : - a very congestioned link - a router with serious problems at hop 13 (or maybe 12). You should contact whoever manages westloc.com -- Nicolas Bougues Axialys Interactive ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users