Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
This is my favourite response to this post "RUN... don't walk.." WELL SAID! John Haigh - Original Message - From: "asterisk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. > > Here's the deal: > Asterisk is free. If we go with * we will save $50k. > It does almost anything. I can make it open my garage door. My > installation records all conversations and then archives them as timestamped > stereo MP3s. Our VB windows application can dial out with a click. All for > free. > It's not done. We are not at v1.0. Mr Spencer is a busy guy. > It might not solve 'your' problem. We contracted the AgentCallbackLogin > Queue stuff. That part works great. If you want it modified or fixed, pay > for it or do it yourself. > If you change your own oil, do your own plumbing, have more that 3 > computers at home, or have [EMAIL PROTECTED] running, you are either a > do-it-yourselfer or a geek. Asterisk might be for you. On the other hand, if > you can't change a lightbulb or don't know what a dipstick is and have lots > of money, then pay someone for a phone system. > > But please stop whining. I have 3 kids. Gettin' tired of it. > > Good day. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Me" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 2:37 PM > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. > > > > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed > > with open arms. First, you will find almost no > > documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to > > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to > > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless > > documents can only be useful for explaining how things > > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk > > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults. > > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your > > problems to be fixed anytime soon. > > > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk. > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 > > http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 > > ___ > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > > > > This e-mail was scanned for viruses using BitDefender > > Sent by 602Pro LAN SUITE - http://www.software602.com/ > > > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
You know what is strange? Both your original email to this list and the
entry in Brian's blog originated from the same IP (24.10.200.168), which
just happens to be a Comcast Cable Internet address in Utah. Can IP's
be spoofed? Sure. I highly doubt it in this case. So before you go
back-stroking, please remember that there are people around that have
the intelligence to do their homework, whether it be a technical
question with Asterisk or doing some "digital forensic" work.
Sean
-Original Message-
From: Me [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 3:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
Mr. West,
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not me. My
name is Barbara Simpson. Either you are lying or
someone is trying to remove any credibility from my
original post. I now stand by my original post with
more conviction than ever.
There were a lot of insightful replies. However, none
of them were able to address the real problems of the
asterisk community and come up with solutions. If you
can't see your own faults, you are in for a bumpy
ride.
Barbara Simpson
Qwest Voice Over Packet Services
--- Brian West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You said it good Look what this person posted to
> my blog... Now thats
> what I call grown up.
>
> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:10:24 -0600
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> IP Address: 24.10.200.168
> Name: Jeff Sowery
> Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> URL:
>
> Comments:
>
> You're a complete idiot. Grow a brain or at least
> some balls.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> NEXT!!!
>
> bkw
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, JR Richardson wrote:
>
> > Piping in 2 cents,
> >
> > This is a great example of the Internet, Fast Food
> generation, showing their
> > appreciation for all the magic that happens in the
> labs, hearts and minds of
> > the courageous, hard working, dedicated and
> motivated group of people truly
> > interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
> >
> > This platform for learning is one of the best
> tools in existence to come to
> > a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy
> telephony with the versatility to
> > expand beyond and develop originality in the field
> of telecommunications
> > excellence, product development. Learn it,
> understand it, appreciate it,
> > then take it past where you found it and if you're
> capable contribute, if
> > not, enjoy it. But always, always maintain
> respect for those who created it
> > and continue to refine it.
> >
> > Learning is intrinsically human, and in this world
> of Industry ("There is no
> > substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]).
> Find your inner child,
> > re-capture and embrace what God has given you, the
> ability to learn. It
> > will require you to put down the remote control,
> get off the couch and
> > decrease your apparently frequent visits to
> McDonalds. Search and find the
> > knowledge which you seek to ultimately fulfill
> your destiny; build an
> > Asterisk Server that works.
> >
> > Hell, we all did.
> >
> > JR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk?
> RUN... don't walk.
> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be
> welcomed
> > > with open arms. First, you will find almost no documentation on
> > > it's features. Second, if you
> try to
> > > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to worthless how-tos
> > > and 'the wiki'. These
> worthless
> > > documents can only be useful for explaining how
> things
> > > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly,
> Asterisk
> > > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation
> faults.
> > > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect
> your
> > > problems to be fixed anytime soon.
> > >
> > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Asterisk-Users mailing list
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> >
> ___
> Asterisk-Users mailing list
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
__
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Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003
http://search.yahoo.com/top2003
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
I seriously doubt this is actually a Quest employee. Probably just someone trying to mess with a boss or something. - Original Message - From: "Brian Capouch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. > Justin Sinclair wrote: > > > > > Your complaints about the Asterisk Community remind me very much of > > complaints often made about the Linux Community. Judging an entire > > community (and even quality of the software) based on the actions of a > > few people is a big mistake. > > > > It was trolling, plain and simple, and unfortunately for Qwest, a lot of > VoIP-savvy types who *do* pull their own weight in the world now have a > data point about the moral quality of at least one person who at least > professes to be part of the Qwest VoIP effort. > > Barbara, who is your boss, and has s/he been watching what you're doing > for Qwest's reputation out in ListLand? It is pretty hard not to see > through the motive behind your post--you should have identified yourself > as a Qwest employee upfront. > > B. > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
Justin Sinclair wrote: Your complaints about the Asterisk Community remind me very much of complaints often made about the Linux Community. Judging an entire community (and even quality of the software) based on the actions of a few people is a big mistake. It was trolling, plain and simple, and unfortunately for Qwest, a lot of VoIP-savvy types who *do* pull their own weight in the world now have a data point about the moral quality of at least one person who at least professes to be part of the Qwest VoIP effort. Barbara, who is your boss, and has s/he been watching what you're doing for Qwest's reputation out in ListLand? It is pretty hard not to see through the motive behind your post--you should have identified yourself as a Qwest employee upfront. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
Paul Mahler wrote: As far as your original post goes, Asterisk doesn't regularly segment fault. There are many stable installations. We have a bunch of happy users. This is remarkable since Asterisk is still a beta product. 888.480.4638, my toll-free number, is routed to wherever I choose to route it to via an Asterisk box. (Usually it rings through to my cell phone.) There is the occasional hiccup, but in general I have to throw in a "Me too" in reply to Paul. The software is generally quite stable. Having played with an Asterisk installation and read about the things that are going on here, I am constantly amazed at all the things it's being made to do. -- JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950 Steve Sobol, Geek In Charge * 888.480.4NET (4638) * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
As far as your original post goes, Asterisk doesn't regularly segment fault.
There are many stable installations. We have a bunch of happy users. This is
remarkable since Asterisk is still a beta product.
There is plenty of useful information on the sites you panned if you are
smart enough to find it. Paid support is available from Digium if you don't
like the free support or are to dumb or lazy to figure things out for
yourself.
The Asterisk community is in general very supportive of beginners, although
not of stupidity or sloth.
Lastly, anything that may be wrong with Asterisk is being fixed in a big
hurry. It's already better than the proprietary systems, even though it's
still a beta product, and it's free for god's sake.
In a few years, Asterisk will be a polished product in general release and
you will have missed the boat.
Don't quit your day job. It's not going to be easy to find someone else who
will hire you.
You should find a different group to read.
Regards,
Paul Mahler
mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 650.207.9855
fax: 877.408.0105
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven
Critchfield
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
On Sat, 2004-01-03 at 14:12, Me wrote:
> Mr. West,
>
> Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not me. My
> name is Barbara Simpson. Either you are lying or
> someone is trying to remove any credibility from my
> original post. I now stand by my original post with
> more conviction than ever.
You had little to no credibility when you show up acting like a troll
from what most people would consider a throw away account.
> There were a lot of insightful replies. However, none
> of them were able to address the real problems of the
> asterisk community and come up with solutions. If you
> can't see your own faults, you are in for a bumpy
> ride.
This is due to the problem residing in the general population, not the
community. The problem resides in users who can't be bothered to either
expend energy, or patience for the software to develop. Remember you
came here, we didn't go recruiting you. So if you are disappointed in
your experience, blame yourself for your expectations. As far as I can
tell here, you haven't paid a single person for anything, so any help
you have received has been at a cost to the other people of this
community.
So the solution is for you to grow up. You need to learn that the
comment you have made in this thread are worthless as they don't advance
anything here. If you want credibility in a technical forum, you will
have to show some technical skills. Otherwise you will be cast aside and
hopefully ignored.
> Barbara Simpson
> Qwest Voice Over Packet Services
>
> --- Brian West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You said it good Look what this person posted to
> > my blog... Now thats
> > what I call grown up.
> >
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:10:24 -0600
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > IP Address: 24.10.200.168
> > Name: Jeff Sowery
> > Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > URL:
> >
> > Comments:
> >
> > You're a complete idiot. Grow a brain or at least
> > some balls.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> > NEXT!!!
> >
> > bkw
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, JR Richardson wrote:
> >
> > > Piping in 2 cents,
> > >
> > > This is a great example of the Internet, Fast Food
> > generation, showing their
> > > appreciation for all the magic that happens in the
> > labs, hearts and minds of
> > > the courageous, hard working, dedicated and
> > motivated group of people truly
> > > interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
> > >
> > > This platform for learning is one of the best
> > tools in existence to come to
> > > a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy
> > telephony with the versatility to
> > > expand beyond and develop originality in the field
> > of telecommunications
> > > excellence, product development. Learn it,
> > understand it, appreciate it,
> > > then take it past where you found it and if you're
> > capable contribute, if
> > > not, enjoy it. But always, always maintain
> > respect for those who created it
> > > and continue to refine it.
> > >
> > > Learning is intrinsically human, and in this world
> > of Industry ("There is no
> > > substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]).
> > Find your inner child,
RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
On Sat, 2004-01-03 at 14:12, Me wrote:
> Mr. West,
>
> Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not me. My
> name is Barbara Simpson. Either you are lying or
> someone is trying to remove any credibility from my
> original post. I now stand by my original post with
> more conviction than ever.
You had little to no credibility when you show up acting like a troll
from what most people would consider a throw away account.
> There were a lot of insightful replies. However, none
> of them were able to address the real problems of the
> asterisk community and come up with solutions. If you
> can't see your own faults, you are in for a bumpy
> ride.
This is due to the problem residing in the general population, not the
community. The problem resides in users who can't be bothered to either
expend energy, or patience for the software to develop. Remember you
came here, we didn't go recruiting you. So if you are disappointed in
your experience, blame yourself for your expectations. As far as I can
tell here, you haven't paid a single person for anything, so any help
you have received has been at a cost to the other people of this
community.
So the solution is for you to grow up. You need to learn that the
comment you have made in this thread are worthless as they don't advance
anything here. If you want credibility in a technical forum, you will
have to show some technical skills. Otherwise you will be cast aside and
hopefully ignored.
> Barbara Simpson
> Qwest Voice Over Packet Services
>
> --- Brian West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You said it good Look what this person posted to
> > my blog... Now thats
> > what I call grown up.
> >
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:10:24 -0600
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > IP Address: 24.10.200.168
> > Name: Jeff Sowery
> > Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > URL:
> >
> > Comments:
> >
> > You're a complete idiot. Grow a brain or at least
> > some balls.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> > NEXT!!!
> >
> > bkw
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, JR Richardson wrote:
> >
> > > Piping in 2 cents,
> > >
> > > This is a great example of the Internet, Fast Food
> > generation, showing their
> > > appreciation for all the magic that happens in the
> > labs, hearts and minds of
> > > the courageous, hard working, dedicated and
> > motivated group of people truly
> > > interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
> > >
> > > This platform for learning is one of the best
> > tools in existence to come to
> > > a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy
> > telephony with the versatility to
> > > expand beyond and develop originality in the field
> > of telecommunications
> > > excellence, product development. Learn it,
> > understand it, appreciate it,
> > > then take it past where you found it and if you're
> > capable contribute, if
> > > not, enjoy it. But always, always maintain
> > respect for those who created it
> > > and continue to refine it.
> > >
> > > Learning is intrinsically human, and in this world
> > of Industry ("There is no
> > > substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]).
> > Find your inner child,
> > > re-capture and embrace what God has given you, the
> > ability to learn. It
> > > will require you to put down the remote control,
> > get off the couch and
> > > decrease your apparently frequent visits to
> > McDonalds. Search and find the
> > > knowledge which you seek to ultimately fulfill
> > your destiny; build an
> > > Asterisk Server that works.
> > >
> > > Hell, we all did.
> > >
> > > JR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
> > > > From: Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk?
> > RUN... don't walk.
> > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be
> > welcomed
> > > > with open arms. First, you will find almost no
> > > > documentation on it's features. Second, if you
> > try to
> > > > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> > > > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These
> > worthless
> > > > documents can only be useful for explaining how
> > things
> > > > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly,
> > Asterisk
> > > > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation
> > faults.
> > > > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect
> > your
> > > > problems to be fixed anytime soon.
> > > >
> > > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
> > > Asterisk-Users mailing list
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> >
> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
> > >
> > ___
> > Asterisk-Users mailing list
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
>
>
> __
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003
> http
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
On Saturday 03 January 2004 18:37, Me wrote: > That was the beginning of the all female quake clan > girlz of destruction http://www.girlzgotgame.net/. > Annie and I joined a 2v2 ladder. Yes, that's me, > however, that was nearly 3 years ago. Why bring this > up? What does this have to do with our discussion? > Are you just trying to prove your skills with Google? > Go do it in IRC, not this forum please. > > Barbara Simpson > Qwest Voice Over Packet Services So why are you here, again, since you've already indicated how bad you think Asterisk is? Perhaps Qwest has a competing service and wishes to monitor its competitors? Why else would you want to drive newbies away, yet stick around to continue to watch (and post to) the list? -Tilghman ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
That was the beginning of the all female quake clan
girlz of destruction http://www.girlzgotgame.net/.
Annie and I joined a 2v2 ladder. Yes, that's me,
however, that was nearly 3 years ago. Why bring this
up? What does this have to do with our discussion?
Are you just trying to prove your skills with Google?
Go do it in IRC, not this forum please.
Barbara Simpson
Qwest Voice Over Packet Services
--- Tilghman Lesher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah. I suppose this isn't you, either.
>
>
http://www.worldogl.com/view_clan_info.php?clanid=5363
>
> On Saturday 03 January 2004 14:12, Me wrote:
> > Mr. West,
> >
> > Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not me.
> My
> > name is Barbara Simpson. Either you are lying or
> > someone is trying to remove any credibility from
> my
> > original post. I now stand by my original post
> with
> > more conviction than ever.
> >
> > There were a lot of insightful replies. However,
> none
> > of them were able to address the real problems of
> the
> > asterisk community and come up with solutions. If
> you
> > can't see your own faults, you are in for a bumpy
> > ride.
> >
> > Barbara Simpson
> > Qwest Voice Over Packet Services
> >
> > --- Brian West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > You said it good Look what this person
> posted to
> > > my blog... Now thats
> > > what I call grown up.
> > >
> > > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:10:24 -0600
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > IP Address: 24.10.200.168
> > > Name: Jeff Sowery
> > > Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > URL:
> > >
> > > Comments:
> > >
> > > You're a complete idiot. Grow a brain or at
> least
> > > some balls.
> > >
> > > -Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > NEXT!!!
> > >
> > > bkw
> > >
> > > On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, JR Richardson wrote:
> > > > Piping in 2 cents,
> > > >
> > > > This is a great example of the Internet, Fast
> Food
> > >
> > > generation, showing their
> > >
> > > > appreciation for all the magic that happens in
> the
> > >
> > > labs, hearts and minds of
> > >
> > > > the courageous, hard working, dedicated and
> > >
> > > motivated group of people truly
> > >
> > > > interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
> > > >
> > > > This platform for learning is one of the best
> > >
> > > tools in existence to come to
> > >
> > > > a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy
> > >
> > > telephony with the versatility to
> > >
> > > > expand beyond and develop originality in the
> field
> > >
> > > of telecommunications
> > >
> > > > excellence, product development. Learn it,
> > >
> > > understand it, appreciate it,
> > >
> > > > then take it past where you found it and if
> you're
> > >
> > > capable contribute, if
> > >
> > > > not, enjoy it. But always, always maintain
> > >
> > > respect for those who created it
> > >
> > > > and continue to refine it.
> > > >
> > > > Learning is intrinsically human, and in this
> world
> > >
> > > of Industry ("There is no
> > >
> > > > substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]).
> > >
> > > Find your inner child,
> > >
> > > > re-capture and embrace what God has given you,
> the
> > >
> > > ability to learn. It
> > >
> > > > will require you to put down the remote
> control,
> > >
> > > get off the couch and
> > >
> > > > decrease your apparently frequent visits to
> > >
> > > McDonalds. Search and find the
> > >
> > > > knowledge which you seek to ultimately fulfill
> > >
> > > your destiny; build an
> > >
> > > > Asterisk Server that works.
> > > >
> > > > Hell, we all did.
> > > >
> > > > JR
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
> > > > > From: Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk?
> > >
> > > RUN... don't walk.
> > >
> > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be
> > >
> > > welcomed
> > >
> > > > > with open arms. First, you will find almost
> no
> > > > > documentation on it's features. Second, if
> you
> > >
> > > try to
> > >
> > > > > ask questions, you will be flamed and
> pointed to
> > > > > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These
> > >
> > > worthless
> > >
> > > > > documents can only be useful for explaining
> how
> > >
> > > things
> > >
> > > > > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly,
> > >
> > > Asterisk
> > >
> > > > > is so bug ridden, expect frequent
> segmentation
> > >
> > > faults.
> > >
> > > > > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't
> expect
> > >
> > > your
> > >
> > > > > problems to be fixed anytime soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
Ah. I suppose this isn't you, either.
http://www.worldogl.com/view_clan_info.php?clanid=5363
On Saturday 03 January 2004 14:12, Me wrote:
> Mr. West,
>
> Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not me. My
> name is Barbara Simpson. Either you are lying or
> someone is trying to remove any credibility from my
> original post. I now stand by my original post with
> more conviction than ever.
>
> There were a lot of insightful replies. However, none
> of them were able to address the real problems of the
> asterisk community and come up with solutions. If you
> can't see your own faults, you are in for a bumpy
> ride.
>
> Barbara Simpson
> Qwest Voice Over Packet Services
>
> --- Brian West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You said it good Look what this person posted to
> > my blog... Now thats
> > what I call grown up.
> >
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:10:24 -0600
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > IP Address: 24.10.200.168
> > Name: Jeff Sowery
> > Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > URL:
> >
> > Comments:
> >
> > You're a complete idiot. Grow a brain or at least
> > some balls.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> > NEXT!!!
> >
> > bkw
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, JR Richardson wrote:
> > > Piping in 2 cents,
> > >
> > > This is a great example of the Internet, Fast Food
> >
> > generation, showing their
> >
> > > appreciation for all the magic that happens in the
> >
> > labs, hearts and minds of
> >
> > > the courageous, hard working, dedicated and
> >
> > motivated group of people truly
> >
> > > interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
> > >
> > > This platform for learning is one of the best
> >
> > tools in existence to come to
> >
> > > a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy
> >
> > telephony with the versatility to
> >
> > > expand beyond and develop originality in the field
> >
> > of telecommunications
> >
> > > excellence, product development. Learn it,
> >
> > understand it, appreciate it,
> >
> > > then take it past where you found it and if you're
> >
> > capable contribute, if
> >
> > > not, enjoy it. But always, always maintain
> >
> > respect for those who created it
> >
> > > and continue to refine it.
> > >
> > > Learning is intrinsically human, and in this world
> >
> > of Industry ("There is no
> >
> > > substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]).
> >
> > Find your inner child,
> >
> > > re-capture and embrace what God has given you, the
> >
> > ability to learn. It
> >
> > > will require you to put down the remote control,
> >
> > get off the couch and
> >
> > > decrease your apparently frequent visits to
> >
> > McDonalds. Search and find the
> >
> > > knowledge which you seek to ultimately fulfill
> >
> > your destiny; build an
> >
> > > Asterisk Server that works.
> > >
> > > Hell, we all did.
> > >
> > > JR
> > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
> > > > From: Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk?
> >
> > RUN... don't walk.
> >
> > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be
> >
> > welcomed
> >
> > > > with open arms. First, you will find almost no
> > > > documentation on it's features. Second, if you
> >
> > try to
> >
> > > > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> > > > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These
> >
> > worthless
> >
> > > > documents can only be useful for explaining how
> >
> > things
> >
> > > > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly,
> >
> > Asterisk
> >
> > > > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation
> >
> > faults.
> >
> > > > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect
> >
> > your
> >
> > > > problems to be fixed anytime soon.
> > > >
> > > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
> > >
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> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
Mr. West,
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not me. My
name is Barbara Simpson. Either you are lying or
someone is trying to remove any credibility from my
original post. I now stand by my original post with
more conviction than ever.
There were a lot of insightful replies. However, none
of them were able to address the real problems of the
asterisk community and come up with solutions. If you
can't see your own faults, you are in for a bumpy
ride.
Barbara Simpson
Qwest Voice Over Packet Services
--- Brian West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You said it good Look what this person posted to
> my blog... Now thats
> what I call grown up.
>
> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:10:24 -0600
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> IP Address: 24.10.200.168
> Name: Jeff Sowery
> Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> URL:
>
> Comments:
>
> You're a complete idiot. Grow a brain or at least
> some balls.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> NEXT!!!
>
> bkw
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, JR Richardson wrote:
>
> > Piping in 2 cents,
> >
> > This is a great example of the Internet, Fast Food
> generation, showing their
> > appreciation for all the magic that happens in the
> labs, hearts and minds of
> > the courageous, hard working, dedicated and
> motivated group of people truly
> > interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
> >
> > This platform for learning is one of the best
> tools in existence to come to
> > a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy
> telephony with the versatility to
> > expand beyond and develop originality in the field
> of telecommunications
> > excellence, product development. Learn it,
> understand it, appreciate it,
> > then take it past where you found it and if you're
> capable contribute, if
> > not, enjoy it. But always, always maintain
> respect for those who created it
> > and continue to refine it.
> >
> > Learning is intrinsically human, and in this world
> of Industry ("There is no
> > substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]).
> Find your inner child,
> > re-capture and embrace what God has given you, the
> ability to learn. It
> > will require you to put down the remote control,
> get off the couch and
> > decrease your apparently frequent visits to
> McDonalds. Search and find the
> > knowledge which you seek to ultimately fulfill
> your destiny; build an
> > Asterisk Server that works.
> >
> > Hell, we all did.
> >
> > JR
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk?
> RUN... don't walk.
> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be
> welcomed
> > > with open arms. First, you will find almost no
> > > documentation on it's features. Second, if you
> try to
> > > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> > > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These
> worthless
> > > documents can only be useful for explaining how
> things
> > > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly,
> Asterisk
> > > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation
> faults.
> > > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect
> your
> > > problems to be fixed anytime soon.
> > >
> > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
What about you drop your beer, stand up from your couch (if your fat belly allows you to), turn off the damn TV and try to learn some basic "C" programming. Then maybe you can help us in solving those "frequent segmentation faults" (if any). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Me Sent: quarta-feira, 31 de dezembro de 2003 17:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed with open arms. First, you will find almost no documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless documents can only be useful for explaining how things work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults. With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your problems to be fixed anytime soon. RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk. __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
Excellent!!! Well Said, JR...
From: "JR Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:11:36 -0600
Piping in 2 cents,
This is a great example of the Internet, Fast Food generation, showing
their
appreciation for all the magic that happens in the labs, hearts and minds
of
the courageous, hard working, dedicated and motivated group of people truly
interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
This platform for learning is one of the best tools in existence to come to
a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy telephony with the versatility to
expand beyond and develop originality in the field of telecommunications
excellence, product development. Learn it, understand it, appreciate it,
then take it past where you found it and if you're capable contribute, if
not, enjoy it. But always, always maintain respect for those who created
it
and continue to refine it.
Learning is intrinsically human, and in this world of Industry ("There is
no
substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]). Find your inner child,
re-capture and embrace what God has given you, the ability to learn. It
will require you to put down the remote control, get off the couch and
decrease your apparently frequent visits to McDonalds. Search and find the
knowledge which you seek to ultimately fulfill your destiny; build an
Asterisk Server that works.
Hell, we all did.
JR
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
> with open arms. First, you will find almost no
> documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to
> ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless
> documents can only be useful for explaining how things
> work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk
> is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
> With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
> problems to be fixed anytime soon.
>
> RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
>
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
You said it good Look what this person posted to my blog... Now thats
what I call grown up.
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:10:24 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IP Address: 24.10.200.168
Name: Jeff Sowery
Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
URL:
Comments:
You're a complete idiot. Grow a brain or at least some balls.
-Jeff
NEXT!!!
bkw
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, JR Richardson wrote:
> Piping in 2 cents,
>
> This is a great example of the Internet, Fast Food generation, showing their
> appreciation for all the magic that happens in the labs, hearts and minds of
> the courageous, hard working, dedicated and motivated group of people truly
> interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
>
> This platform for learning is one of the best tools in existence to come to
> a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy telephony with the versatility to
> expand beyond and develop originality in the field of telecommunications
> excellence, product development. Learn it, understand it, appreciate it,
> then take it past where you found it and if you're capable contribute, if
> not, enjoy it. But always, always maintain respect for those who created it
> and continue to refine it.
>
> Learning is intrinsically human, and in this world of Industry ("There is no
> substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]). Find your inner child,
> re-capture and embrace what God has given you, the ability to learn. It
> will require you to put down the remote control, get off the couch and
> decrease your apparently frequent visits to McDonalds. Search and find the
> knowledge which you seek to ultimately fulfill your destiny; build an
> Asterisk Server that works.
>
> Hell, we all did.
>
> JR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
> > with open arms. First, you will find almost no
> > documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to
> > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless
> > documents can only be useful for explaining how things
> > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk
> > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
> > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
> > problems to be fixed anytime soon.
> >
> > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
JR Richardson wrote:
Piping in 2 cents,
This is a great example of the Internet, Fast Food generation, showing their
appreciation for all the magic that happens in the labs, hearts and minds of
the courageous, hard working, dedicated and motivated group of people truly
interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
This platform for learning is one of the best tools in existence to come to
a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy telephony with the versatility to
expand beyond and develop originality in the field of telecommunications
excellence, product development. Learn it, understand it, appreciate it,
then take it past where you found it and if you're capable contribute, if
not, enjoy it. But always, always maintain respect for those who created it
and continue to refine it.
Learning is intrinsically human, and in this world of Industry ("There is no
substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]). Find your inner child,
re-capture and embrace what God has given you, the ability to learn. It
will require you to put down the remote control, get off the couch and
decrease your apparently frequent visits to McDonalds. Search and find the
knowledge which you seek to ultimately fulfill your destiny; build an
Asterisk Server that works.
Hell, we all did.
JR
BRAVO!!! Well said!!
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
Piping in 2 cents,
This is a great example of the Internet, Fast Food generation, showing their
appreciation for all the magic that happens in the labs, hearts and minds of
the courageous, hard working, dedicated and motivated group of people truly
interested and guided to accomplish greatness.
This platform for learning is one of the best tools in existence to come to
a finite understanding of VoIP and legacy telephony with the versatility to
expand beyond and develop originality in the field of telecommunications
excellence, product development. Learn it, understand it, appreciate it,
then take it past where you found it and if you're capable contribute, if
not, enjoy it. But always, always maintain respect for those who created it
and continue to refine it.
Learning is intrinsically human, and in this world of Industry ("There is no
substitution for knowledge." [Edward Deming]). Find your inner child,
re-capture and embrace what God has given you, the ability to learn. It
will require you to put down the remote control, get off the couch and
decrease your apparently frequent visits to McDonalds. Search and find the
knowledge which you seek to ultimately fulfill your destiny; build an
Asterisk Server that works.
Hell, we all did.
JR
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed
> with open arms. First, you will find almost no
> documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to
> ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to
> worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless
> documents can only be useful for explaining how things
> work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk
> is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults.
> With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your
> problems to be fixed anytime soon.
>
> RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk.
>
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Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: 4. this mailing list's ARCHIVES. http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/ you can search the archives by using google and including "site:lists.digium.com" in your search. Or use http://search.voip-forum.com /O :-) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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i second it. i had no previous experience with any telecom equipment or even the lingo. I didnt know what channel meant in telecom world. i started with the * handbook and did a lot of googling, searched the archives. Search, search and search. There is lot of info here. i am happy to say that i hv my * up and running. * is a great product and Hats off to the team. Keep up the good work. -B - Original Message - From: "Josh Roberson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. > Well, since everyone else is top-quoting on this message, so will I :P > > I'm no veteran either. As a matter of fact, I have had ZERO prior > knowledge to the telcom industry or more than 'user level' experience > with telecommunications in general. I decided that I wanted to expand > my knowledge, and actually LEARN a few things, so I jumped into > asterisk. I was, and quite frankly, IMO, still AM a 'n00b' to *. > However, after playing around, and learning what things do, by reading > the documentation that IS there, searching the archives, and just > trolling the list and IRC, I have learned more in the last 4-5 months of > having * than a lot of people I've noticed have learned in a lifetime of > experience.I now have a fully functional (well, minus MOH, because > mpg123 isn't yet compiled on my new box), * implementation, serving > myself and my roommates strictly over VoIP, and a couple ata's and a > Internet PhoneJack card. I love it. And I'm STILL learning to this > date. > > Asterisk is not something you can expect everyone to just drop what > their doing and help you with. Sure, it can be frustrating, but if you > are so dense that you can't sit down an play with it and learn what > happens when you type something in the cli, or change a few things in > your dialplan, then get out, I agree. > > If you liked taking apart mom's hairdryer as a kid and seeing how it > worked, and then later on, rewired up a few things to do what you wanted > them to, or even took a hex editor to command.com in msdos to change > what it says to suit your taste (mucho guilty on that one.. lol), then > you will have no problem finding out what you can and can't change > simply by editing files, and trying things out. > > Take off your training wheels, and just TRY IT. > > - Josh R. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SW > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 4:13 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digium. Com > > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. > > > > Hello, > > > > I am not a veteran here, but would like to share my thoughts on this > > subject. > > > > True, * is opensource and freely available, but it is not a computer > > program > > that you download and run. It is a very versatile telecommunication > > product > > you would otherwise pay at least 100 K to buy from a telecom vendor, > if > > not > > more based on modules and usage, license hash-codes etc. > > > > Even to try * one would need some pre requisite knowledge in telecom, > if > > not > > many years in the field. I work for a large telecom company and my > > specialty > > is voice over broadband (or xDSL). I worked with asterisk for couple > of > > months now and I am amazed to see areas of telecom that * touch upon > with. > > Starting from Linux, to SIP, H323, DSL technologies (PPP, PPPoE, > PPPoA, > > DHCP, NAT), Call routing(Dial Plan), IVR, Transcoding, STUN are few > areas > > that one would have to master even thinking about *. > > > > True one would know the syntax, and howtos etc, but also would have to > > have > > the ability to troubleshoot. For last two-three months in this list, I > > have > > not seen any newbi posting a sip trace (from a ethereal or a TCP dump) > and > > asking a question about it. I have seen many question for instance, > asking > > syntax of h.323 dial, but never seen a question asked on a h323 trace. > > > > I think, having * openly available is like keeping an airplane openly > > available in a airfield, so that anybody can try flying. Tell me how > many > > of > > us would go try and fly that airplane if we do not know how to fly :) > > > > Point that I want to make here is simple, please try to understand > what * > > is > > all about. If you like it's features and would like it
RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
Well, since everyone else is top-quoting on this message, so will I :P I'm no veteran either. As a matter of fact, I have had ZERO prior knowledge to the telcom industry or more than 'user level' experience with telecommunications in general. I decided that I wanted to expand my knowledge, and actually LEARN a few things, so I jumped into asterisk. I was, and quite frankly, IMO, still AM a 'n00b' to *. However, after playing around, and learning what things do, by reading the documentation that IS there, searching the archives, and just trolling the list and IRC, I have learned more in the last 4-5 months of having * than a lot of people I've noticed have learned in a lifetime of experience.I now have a fully functional (well, minus MOH, because mpg123 isn't yet compiled on my new box), * implementation, serving myself and my roommates strictly over VoIP, and a couple ata's and a Internet PhoneJack card. I love it. And I'm STILL learning to this date. Asterisk is not something you can expect everyone to just drop what their doing and help you with. Sure, it can be frustrating, but if you are so dense that you can't sit down an play with it and learn what happens when you type something in the cli, or change a few things in your dialplan, then get out, I agree. If you liked taking apart mom's hairdryer as a kid and seeing how it worked, and then later on, rewired up a few things to do what you wanted them to, or even took a hex editor to command.com in msdos to change what it says to suit your taste (mucho guilty on that one.. lol), then you will have no problem finding out what you can and can't change simply by editing files, and trying things out. Take off your training wheels, and just TRY IT. - Josh R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SW > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 4:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digium. Com > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. > > Hello, > > I am not a veteran here, but would like to share my thoughts on this > subject. > > True, * is opensource and freely available, but it is not a computer > program > that you download and run. It is a very versatile telecommunication > product > you would otherwise pay at least 100 K to buy from a telecom vendor, if > not > more based on modules and usage, license hash-codes etc. > > Even to try * one would need some pre requisite knowledge in telecom, if > not > many years in the field. I work for a large telecom company and my > specialty > is voice over broadband (or xDSL). I worked with asterisk for couple of > months now and I am amazed to see areas of telecom that * touch upon with. > Starting from Linux, to SIP, H323, DSL technologies (PPP, PPPoE, PPPoA, > DHCP, NAT), Call routing(Dial Plan), IVR, Transcoding, STUN are few areas > that one would have to master even thinking about *. > > True one would know the syntax, and howtos etc, but also would have to > have > the ability to troubleshoot. For last two-three months in this list, I > have > not seen any newbi posting a sip trace (from a ethereal or a TCP dump) and > asking a question about it. I have seen many question for instance, asking > syntax of h.323 dial, but never seen a question asked on a h323 trace. > > I think, having * openly available is like keeping an airplane openly > available in a airfield, so that anybody can try flying. Tell me how many > of > us would go try and fly that airplane if we do not know how to fly :) > > Point that I want to make here is simple, please try to understand what * > is > all about. If you like it's features and would like it to run in a > production environment try to get some professional help. If you are > learning these technologies for fun then get educated, use tools available > to troubleshoot. Hooking up couple of phones and making a call is far from > knowing *. > > Asterisk is a great product (thanks Mark and many others) and if you know > what you are doing, you can do wonders with it. Don't put it down, because > you do not have the background to understand it or work with it. > > Cheers > > SW > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST) > From: Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed > with open arms. First, you will find almost no > documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless > documents can only be useful for explaining how things > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults. > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your > problems to be fixed anytime soon. > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
Well said. - Original Message - From: "SW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Digium. Com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. > Hello, > > I am not a veteran here, but would like to share my thoughts on this > subject. > > True, * is opensource and freely available, but it is not a computer program > that you download and run. It is a very versatile telecommunication product > you would otherwise pay at least 100 K to buy from a telecom vendor, if not > more based on modules and usage, license hash-codes etc. > > Even to try * one would need some pre requisite knowledge in telecom, if not > many years in the field. I work for a large telecom company and my specialty > is voice over broadband (or xDSL). I worked with asterisk for couple of > months now and I am amazed to see areas of telecom that * touch upon with. > Starting from Linux, to SIP, H323, DSL technologies (PPP, PPPoE, PPPoA, > DHCP, NAT), Call routing(Dial Plan), IVR, Transcoding, STUN are few areas > that one would have to master even thinking about *. > > True one would know the syntax, and howtos etc, but also would have to have > the ability to troubleshoot. For last two-three months in this list, I have > not seen any newbi posting a sip trace (from a ethereal or a TCP dump) and > asking a question about it. I have seen many question for instance, asking > syntax of h.323 dial, but never seen a question asked on a h323 trace. > > I think, having * openly available is like keeping an airplane openly > available in a airfield, so that anybody can try flying. Tell me how many of > us would go try and fly that airplane if we do not know how to fly :) > > Point that I want to make here is simple, please try to understand what * is > all about. If you like it's features and would like it to run in a > production environment try to get some professional help. If you are > learning these technologies for fun then get educated, use tools available > to troubleshoot. Hooking up couple of phones and making a call is far from > knowing *. > > Asterisk is a great product (thanks Mark and many others) and if you know > what you are doing, you can do wonders with it. Don't put it down, because > you do not have the background to understand it or work with it. > > Cheers > > SW > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:37:24 -0800 (PST) > From: Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed > with open arms. First, you will find almost no > documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless > documents can only be useful for explaining how things > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults. > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your > problems to be fixed anytime soon. > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk. > > > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 December 2003 03:24 pm, asterisk wrote: > Here's the deal: > It does almost anything. I can make it open my garage door. My > installation records all conversations and then archives them as > timestamped stereo MP3s. Our VB windows application can dial out with a > click. All for free. No argument here. I think 80% of us n00bs can get by with the docs as-is (all I ask is to not be attacked), although if listserv gets repeated questions, maybe it's a symptom. Thing is, a novice or journeyman can't really fix the docs to the best technical info; takes a master, who is understandably doing more important things. Looks to me at this point, that asterisk has the potential of being (is?) one of the great open-source projects. Kudos. BTW, is anyone participating in the ENum trial? With Asterisk? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAj/zR9MACgkQnQ18+PFcZJvGuQCfSjwr0WQhy3l9tUH9tgjL8L0K laEAnRsFlpC+kcU81c+imhB7WOpZJw3u =X/ME -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
As a new asterisk user myself, I would agree with you that the learning curve is steep, but that was my expectation coming into this. I took the time to browse the list archives before signing up so no surprises there. There are some real experts here and they obviously help those who ask interesting questions that aren't answered elsewhere. I would agree that this list would be better without the retarded flame wars, and furthermore, trolls the likes of you. If you don't want to read the information that's available, or if what you expect is total hand-holding - someone else to install and configure your phone system for you, then asterisk is a great choice but you need to hire someone to do that. Or you can go with a commercial phone system and pay thousands for a basic system with 1/10th the features. Regarding the stability problem you're having - clearly that's not the norm. I wouldn't suggest that anyone "expect" that behavior. I certainly haven't seen any crashes. On Dec 31, 2003, at 12:37 PM, Me wrote: As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed with open arms. First, you will find almost no documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless documents can only be useful for explaining how things work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults. With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your problems to be fixed anytime soon. RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk. __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
> Dear newbies, > > As a newcomer to woodworking, you will not be welcomed with open arms. > First, you will find no documentation on how to make your completely custom > ceiling-height cabinets perfectly the first time that your wife will > appreciate. Second, if you ask any woodworker for assistance, you will be > treated like a fool and your new cabinets will be set aflame and you will be > instructed to experiment with your tool and learn your craft. This worthless > waste of time will only develop you into a competent woodworker able to make > anything you wish. You should go to the furniture store or ask an already > competent person to take care of your cabinetry for you as you have neither > the desire or intelligence. Lastly, your raw material is so bug-ridden, all > your handiwork will prove fruitless. We should all leave it up to the > experts. With a carpentry community so anti-n00b, don't expect your > handbuilt cabinets to be fixed for free by other people with their own > problems who have graciously given their time and knowledge to the rest of > us. You might actually be expected to fix it yourself. > Certainly great! You make me laugh so much... ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
There are many reliable Asterisk installations, some running hundreds of phones. It's easy to stop at a CVS version and build a very stable system. We have many happy customers running Asterisk. I certainly prefer it to my Cisco Call Manager installations. It's already a much better product than Call Manager. I have always been very well received in this group. The help has always been extraordinary. I had one problem with my Cisco phones that Cisco couldn't figure out in a week, someone here had the answer in a few minutes. Asterisk is a new product, but it obsoletes the legacy products. The documentation problem will disappear shortly as there will be a book about Asterisk for beginning users in January. Warm Regards and Good Luck, Paul Paul Mahler mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 650.207.9855 fax: 877.408.0105 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Cheesman Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:47 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. There are many people on this list that are more than happy to help you with a problem if you know how to ask the question. But if you've tried to keep up with this mailing list over any amount of time, you will see how quickly it becomes frustrating when people ask the same questions over and over again. Hence being pointed to the how-to's and the wiki. Do they answer every question? No. But they cover the most frequently asked. Do they answer the question exactly like you'd hope? Maybe not. It requires some thinking. There are two things you need to remember here. One, no one on this list gets paid to help you or anyone else with your problems. They do so because they choose to. Two, Asterisk is open source. It doesn't cost you a penny. If you want "stable" and friendly "ass-kissing" support personnel, you need to look at a commercial solution. Sean -Original Message- From: Me [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed with open arms. First, you will find almost no documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless documents can only be useful for explaining how things work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults. With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your problems to be fixed anytime soon. RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk. __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
Dear newbies, As a newcomer to woodworking, you will not be welcomed with open arms. First, you will find no documentation on how to make your completely custom ceiling-height cabinets perfectly the first time that your wife will appreciate. Second, if you ask any woodworker for assistance, you will be treated like a fool and your new cabinets will be set aflame and you will be instructed to experiment with your tool and learn your craft. This worthless waste of time will only develop you into a competent woodworker able to make anything you wish. You should go to the furniture store or ask an already competent person to take care of your cabinetry for you as you have neither the desire or intelligence. Lastly, your raw material is so bug-ridden, all your handiwork will prove fruitless. We should all leave it up to the experts. With a carpentry community so anti-n00b, don't expect your handbuilt cabinets to be fixed for free by other people with their own problems who have graciously given their time and knowledge to the rest of us. You might actually be expected to fix it yourself. Here's the deal: Asterisk is free. If we go with * we will save $50k. It does almost anything. I can make it open my garage door. My installation records all conversations and then archives them as timestamped stereo MP3s. Our VB windows application can dial out with a click. All for free. It's not done. We are not at v1.0. Mr Spencer is a busy guy. It might not solve 'your' problem. We contracted the AgentCallbackLogin Queue stuff. That part works great. If you want it modified or fixed, pay for it or do it yourself. If you change your own oil, do your own plumbing, have more that 3 computers at home, or have [EMAIL PROTECTED] running, you are either a do-it-yourselfer or a geek. Asterisk might be for you. On the other hand, if you can't change a lightbulb or don't know what a dipstick is and have lots of money, then pay someone for a phone system. But please stop whining. I have 3 kids. Gettin' tired of it. Good day. - Original Message - From: "Me" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed > with open arms. First, you will find almost no > documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless > documents can only be useful for explaining how things > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults. > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your > problems to be fixed anytime soon. > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk. > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 > http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > This e-mail was scanned for viruses using BitDefender > Sent by 602Pro LAN SUITE - http://www.software602.com/ > ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
> > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your > > problems to be fixed anytime soon. > > > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk. ... > There are many people on this list that are more than happy > to help you with a problem if you know how to ask the > question. But if you've tried to keep up with this mailing > list over any amount of time, you will see how quickly it > becomes frustrating when people ask the same questions over > and over again. Hence being pointed to the how-to's and the > wiki. Do they answer every question? No. But they cover > the most frequently asked. I agree. Lately there have been some harsh responses to common questions. 'Tis the season, as they say. I've personally been able to do everything I wanted to do at home with Asterisk, and I've never once encountered a segmentation fault or any real crash. I have not found Asterisk to be riddled with bugs, and I've seen that the project continues to improve rapidly. Initially I found everything I needed to setup a home Asterisk system by Google searches, and reading the documentation that is available. I must state that when you decide to experiment with a project that is somewhat bleeding edge you should expect to a lot of research on your own, and you should start out with a decent amount of patience. That being said, I must admit that the Asterisk-Users mailing list has been very helpful and responsive to a couple of questions I have asked in the past. I am no Asterisk guru, but I believe I have a good handle on things, and I learn more everyday by following this list. If people make a reasonable effort to find the easy answers and provide ample details when asking the not-so-trivial questions then they will find this list, and the greater Asterisk users community, is not such a terrible place after all. -- Tony Kava Network Administrator Pottawattamie County, Iowa ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
If you are a person who likes all things easy, and if you don't need to know nothing to be better professional, well, run now, and let us continue our journey. Who cares? People likes you don't help to our community. Regards, Gus - Original Message - From: "Me" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. > As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed > with open arms. First, you will find almost no > documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless > documents can only be useful for explaining how things > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults. > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your > problems to be fixed anytime soon. > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk. > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 > http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 > ___ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
> As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed > with open arms. First, you will find almost no > documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless > documents can only be useful for explaining how things > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults. > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your > problems to be fixed anytime soon. Wow... I think this is our first troll... Not much of one at that, either. For the sake of the archives, newbies should be looking in the following areas: 1. the handbook. www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support. It's down under the google logo. 2. there are TONS of other resources on that page. Use them. 3. IRC (also mentioned on that page): irc.freenode.net, #asterisk 4. this mailing list's ARCHIVES. http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/ you can search the archives by using google and including "site:lists.digium.com" in your search. The reason many of us here seem newbie-hostile is because we answer the SAME FREAKING BASIC QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Personally I blame asterisk.org's webmasters for not cleaning up that hideous documentation page and making it CLEAR where the handbook is and where other very common resources are, but nevertheless it gets very tedious to hear the same bitch and moans from people who wouldn't lift a finger to solve their own problems. So yes, you in particular, should run from asterisk. As a general rule no open source project tolerates people who refuse to try and help themselves first. Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
> As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed > with open arms. First, you will find almost no > documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to > ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to > worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless > documents can only be useful for explaining how things > work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk > is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults. > With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your > problems to be fixed anytime soon. > > RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk. No we aren't "anti-n00b"... Have you tried the IRC channel? Its usually more helpful for the newcomers. I have personally helped many people get started with examples and other such things. As far as asterisk segfaulting you might have hardware problems... I recommend you join the IRC channel and ask some questions. But you also have to be prepaired to read a little because we can't hold your hand thru it all just like with any other open source software solution out there. Asterisk is fairly easy to understand once you see how it all fits together. bkw ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk.
There are many people on this list that are more than happy to help you with a problem if you know how to ask the question. But if you've tried to keep up with this mailing list over any amount of time, you will see how quickly it becomes frustrating when people ask the same questions over and over again. Hence being pointed to the how-to's and the wiki. Do they answer every question? No. But they cover the most frequently asked. Do they answer the question exactly like you'd hope? Maybe not. It requires some thinking. There are two things you need to remember here. One, no one on this list gets paid to help you or anyone else with your problems. They do so because they choose to. Two, Asterisk is open source. It doesn't cost you a penny. If you want "stable" and friendly "ass-kissing" support personnel, you need to look at a commercial solution. Sean -Original Message- From: Me [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] New to asterisk? RUN... don't walk. As a newcomer to Asterisk, you will not be welcomed with open arms. First, you will find almost no documentation on it's features. Second, if you try to ask questions, you will be flamed and pointed to worthless how-tos and 'the wiki'. These worthless documents can only be useful for explaining how things work to those already in-the-know. Lastly, Asterisk is so bug ridden, expect frequent segmentation faults. With a community so 'anti-n00b', don't expect your problems to be fixed anytime soon. RUN!!! Don't walk... away from Aterisk. __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
