Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:42:00 -0600, Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 17:31 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Talk about skype is forbidden, but to be impolite is allowed... Great list! Did you ask about skype in asterisk? Did you ask an asterisk related question? On both of those it was a no. So you came in here asking questions that are not on topic for this list. It is high enough traffic as it is without talking about something completely unrelated. Steven, you should think before you repeatedly jump down peoples throats? You cause more traffic on this list with your constant criticisms. If you had not replied to this poster there would probably have been 2 or 3 replies at most, hell look at it now!? Why don't you create a web page with all *your* special rules and the rules of this list (and probably the others you haunt). That way you can just reply to the sender with a URL and thats it!. Chill man Mike ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 05:03:27PM -0600, Steven Critchfield wrote: On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 16:46 -0600, Jay Milk wrote: Here's a perfect example of a mis-post that was blown out of proportion. When I first saw Cesar's post, I responded off-list to the effect that this would be the wrong forum to ask this question. If others had done the same -- responded off-list -- or simply ignored that message, that would have been the end of the thread. Instead, 16 more messages clogged the list. Actually, not a perfect example: In this case there was exactly one poster who answered on-list to the original post. The answer was wrong list. The original poster insisted then on re-asking the question, and then the flames really started. [ snip about reducing list traffic ] If you don't agree, please ignore this message or respond off-list. If you do agree, great. [snip] If the occasional user doesn't get reminded publicly that what they did was wrong, you would have more people assuming it is okay to do the same thing. As the original poster insisted in this case. -- Tzafrir Cohen | New signature for new address and | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | new homepage | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849755 | Space reserved for other protocols | friend ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[OT] Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
Actually, not a perfect example: In this case there was exactly one poster who answered on-list to the original post. The answer was wrong list. The original poster insisted then on re-asking the question, and then the flames really started. Which is why I think the way of doing it is prefixing the subject with [OT] to: - Show that you think it's off-topic, - Allow for easy filtering of off topic messages - If you feel like it, you can even answer the question! From support.skype.com: -%-- How much bandwidth does Skype use while I'm in a call? Skype automatically selects the best codec depending on the connection between yourself and the person you are calling. On average, Skype uses between 3-16 kilobytes/sec depending on bandwidth available for other party, network conditions in between, callers CPU performance, etc. -%-- Cheers, Jean-Michel. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 14:30 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know the amount of memory used by skype? Did you think about the best venue to ask this question. We are not a skype support forum. And BTW, TURN OFF HTML EMAIL. Exercise some thought about those who will read your message before assuming we all need to see blue. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
Ok... take it easy... But do you know skype, don't you? regards - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 14:30 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know the amount of memory used by skype? Did you think about the best venue to ask this question. We are not a skype support forum. And BTW, TURN OFF HTML EMAIL. Exercise some thought about those who will read your message before assuming we all need to see blue. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
I met him once. Please use google before asking. There is a chance somebody had same question before. Also, a nice place to start might be their wesite. According to Skype's site: How much bandwidth does Skype use while Im in a call? On average, Skype uses between 3-16 kilobytes/sec depending on bandwidth available for other party, network conditions in between, callers CPU performance, etc. How much bandwidth does Skype use when there are no active calls? On average Skype uses 0-0.5 kilobytes/sec while idle. This is used mainly for buddy presence updates. The exact bandwidth depends on many factors. Bogdan 'googling around' B. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of César Davi Ávila do Nascimento Sent: 14 martie 2005 21:37 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth Ok... take it easy... But do you know skype, don't you? regards - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 14:30 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know the amount of memory used by skype? Did you think about the best venue to ask this question. We are not a skype support forum. And BTW, TURN OFF HTML EMAIL. Exercise some thought about those who will read your message before assuming we all need to see blue. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
Even if someone did, this is not the place for skype info. This is the place for Asterisk info. -Matthew César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Ok... take it easy... But do you know skype, don't you? regards - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 14:30 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know the amount of memory used by skype? Did you think about the best venue to ask this question. We are not a skype support forum. And BTW, TURN OFF HTML EMAIL. Exercise some thought about those who will read your message before assuming we all need to see blue. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 16:36 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Ok... take it easy... But do you know skype, don't you? I know of it, I don't use it as I have no use for it and it isn't open source. Next lesson is to learn how to trim the bottoms of your messages. You might want to learn in-line quoting as well and configure your mail app for proper quoting as well. - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 14:30 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know the amount of memory used by skype? Did you think about the best venue to ask this question. We are not a skype support forum. And BTW, TURN OFF HTML EMAIL. Exercise some thought about those who will read your message before assuming we all need to see blue. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
Talk about skype is forbidden, but to be impolite is allowed... Great list! Regards - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 16:36 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Ok... take it easy... But do you know skype, don't you? I know of it, I don't use it as I have no use for it and it isn't open source. Next lesson is to learn how to trim the bottoms of your messages. You might want to learn in-line quoting as well and configure your mail app for proper quoting as well. - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 14:30 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know the amount of memory used by skype? Did you think about the best venue to ask this question. We are not a skype support forum. And BTW, TURN OFF HTML EMAIL. Exercise some thought about those who will read your message before assuming we all need to see blue. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
Who is being impolite??? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of César Davi Ávila do Nascimento Sent: Montag, 14. März 2005 21:31 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth Talk about skype is forbidden, but to be impolite is allowed... Great list! Regards - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 16:36 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Ok... take it easy... But do you know skype, don't you? I know of it, I don't use it as I have no use for it and it isn't open source. Next lesson is to learn how to trim the bottoms of your messages. You might want to learn in-line quoting as well and configure your mail app for proper quoting as well. - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 14:30 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know the amount of memory used by skype? Did you think about the best venue to ask this question. We are not a skype support forum. And BTW, TURN OFF HTML EMAIL. Exercise some thought about those who will read your message before assuming we all need to see blue. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/aster isk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
Is not about being impolite, is more about looking for right answer in the right place ... Bogdan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of César Davi Ávila do Nascimento Sent: 14 martie 2005 22:31 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth Talk about skype is forbidden, but to be impolite is allowed... Great list! Regards - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 16:36 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Ok... take it easy... But do you know skype, don't you? I know of it, I don't use it as I have no use for it and it isn't open source. Next lesson is to learn how to trim the bottoms of your messages. You might want to learn in-line quoting as well and configure your mail app for proper quoting as well. - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 14:30 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know the amount of memory used by skype? Did you think about the best venue to ask this question. We are not a skype support forum. And BTW, TURN OFF HTML EMAIL. Exercise some thought about those who will read your message before assuming we all need to see blue. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Talk about skype is forbidden, but to be impolite is allowed... Great list! Regards César, I'm sorry your experience here has been very bad, but I'd like to make some clarifications in order to avoid you further frustrations with this or even some other lists you may want to be in. The harsh answers you've got are the result of violating several politeness rules that usually apply to mailing lists (not only this one), and it will be very good for you to learn them, (or a last be aware that they may exist). In first place, you posted a question in the wrong place. As it has been stressed, this is not the place for Skype questions (the same would have happened if you had asked what's ). If you have an Skype question, ask Skype guys, which should know better than anyone else. Second, what you asked was something you could have learned by yourself by simply making a quick search with google or perhaps some other search engine, and what somebody would have done to answer you is just do that search. This is like asking someone else make your homework. Third, you're using HTML mail, which is generally regarded as inappropiate for participating in (public) lists, as the resulting size and poor readability are disgusting to people not using HTML mail-aware clients or searching the archives. So, if you feel people have been impolite with you is because you've been (inadvertently) very impolite to the list in the first place. I don't have at hand any links to give about places you could learn more of theese and other etiquette rules, but you should care about it. Hope this helps you. Sincerely, Paulo Sequeira ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 17:31 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Talk about skype is forbidden, but to be impolite is allowed... Great list! Did you ask about skype in asterisk? Did you ask an asterisk related question? On both of those it was a no. So you came in here asking questions that are not on topic for this list. It is high enough traffic as it is without talking about something completely unrelated. And you still haven't learned to trim your messages. - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 16:36 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Ok... take it easy... But do you know skype, don't you? I know of it, I don't use it as I have no use for it and it isn't open source. Next lesson is to learn how to trim the bottoms of your messages. You might want to learn in-line quoting as well and configure your mail app for proper quoting as well. - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 14:30 -0300, César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know the amount of memory used by skype? Did you think about the best venue to ask this question. We are not a skype support forum. And BTW, TURN OFF HTML EMAIL. Exercise some thought about those who will read your message before assuming we all need to see blue. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Talk about skype is forbidden, but to be impolite is allowed... Great list! Skype does not interface with Asterisk in any way whatsoever. You could just as well have asked if someone knows what RNA sequence 42 in the turnip genome is for. About as many people on this list would be familiar with that as would Skype. --Eric -- Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
Paulo Sequeira wrote: César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Talk about skype is forbidden, but to be impolite is allowed... Great list! Regards In first place, you posted a question in the wrong place. As it has been stressed, this is not the place for Skype questions (the same would have happened if you had asked what's ). If you have an Skype question, ask Skype guys, which should know better than anyone else. ooops, I forgot the example... it could be, somebody knows what's the nearest pizza restaurant to San Pedro park?... the point is, those questions are completely off topic here. ... I don't have at hand any links to give about places you could learn more of theese and other etiquette rules, but you should care about it. Of course, a good place to start is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Paulo ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
On March 14, 2005 04:20 pm, Eric Wieling wrote: Skype does not interface with Asterisk in any way whatsoever. You could just as well have asked if someone knows what RNA sequence 42 in the turnip genome is for. About as many people on this list would be familiar with that as would Skype. Don't be silly. RNA doesn't exist in turnips, RNA only exists in animal cells. :-) -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
On Mon, March 14, 2005 22:11, Paulo Sequeira said: César Davi Ávila do Nascimento wrote: Talk about skype is forbidden, but to be impolite is allowed... Great list! Regards César, I'm sorry your experience here has been very bad, but I'd like to make some clarifications in order to avoid you further frustrations with this or even some other lists you may want to be in. The harsh answers you've got are the result of violating several politeness rules that usually apply to mailing lists (not only this one), and it will be very good for you to learn them, (or a last be aware that they may exist). SNIP So, if you feel people have been impolite with you is because you've been (inadvertently) very impolite to the list in the first place. I don't have at hand any links to give about places you could learn more of theese and other etiquette rules, but you should care about it. Hope this helps you. A few other things to keep in mind when posting to maillists: 1) SNIP is you friend! SNIP away anything not related! (especially sigs and CERTAINLY when replying to DIGESTS!!!) 2) A: Because you lose the logic sequence of the thread Q: Why is top-posting bad? Seriously: Don't top-post... Post in between or at the bottom, after you've snipped anything unrelated... The fact that your mailclient puts your cursor at the top of the quoted text does not mean you *have* to type there... Cursor keys and mice were invented for just that! ;-) 3) When asking questions like these, tell people what you know already and what you have tried... Let them see you tried doing your homework yourself before asking your big brother! 4) Get a thick skin! English is not everybody's native language, and this can make replies seem harsher than they were meant. If you *did* have it coming, you'll be better prepared anyway! G 5) Get a flame-retardant suit! Flames are a matter of fact on maillists, even the most polite ones have'em! But most of all: Read the posts, get the info you need, but also take in the extra info that helps you understand the context of the post!!! Have fun! -- Francesco * n00b, but maillist veteran! ;-) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
Yes... Great List! - Original Message - From: Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth On March 14, 2005 04:20 pm, Eric Wieling wrote: Skype does not interface with Asterisk in any way whatsoever. You could just as well have asked if someone knows what RNA sequence 42 in the turnip genome is for. About as many people on this list would be familiar with that as would Skype. Don't be silly. RNA doesn't exist in turnips, RNA only exists in animal cells. :-) -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
Yes yes, it's totally hypocritical to post the following, but I think everyone should read it (yes, I think I'm just THAT important). Here's a perfect example of a mis-post that was blown out of proportion. When I first saw Cesar's post, I responded off-list to the effect that this would be the wrong forum to ask this question. If others had done the same -- responded off-list -- or simply ignored that message, that would have been the end of the thread. Instead, 16 more messages clogged the list. Yes, it's necessary to explain to posters why certain messages won't get answered. But I don't think it's necessary to do it in front of 10,000 people. Yes, it's annoying that some folks don't understand or respect the rules of this list -- but in absence of a moderator, there aren't really any rules here. It's also annoying that some don't make the effort to find an answer before asking, and then get upset that nobody will explain to them what a telephone is, or what VoIP means. But if you look back at the last week or two, the majority of the noise on this list comes from those who are responding and then enter a drawn out argument as to why the initial post bothered 10,000 people. I believe the list volume would decrease by at least 50% if we all simply took our disagreements off-list, or ignored messages that don't belong. And in the process, the signal-to-noise ratio here would greatly improve. If you don't agree, please ignore this message or respond off-list. If you do agree, great. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 16:46 -0600, Jay Milk wrote: Yes yes, it's totally hypocritical to post the following, but I think everyone should read it (yes, I think I'm just THAT important). Here's a perfect example of a mis-post that was blown out of proportion. When I first saw Cesar's post, I responded off-list to the effect that this would be the wrong forum to ask this question. If others had done the same -- responded off-list -- or simply ignored that message, that would have been the end of the thread. Instead, 16 more messages clogged the list. Yes, it's necessary to explain to posters why certain messages won't get answered. But I don't think it's necessary to do it in front of 10,000 people. Yes, it's annoying that some folks don't understand or respect the rules of this list -- but in absence of a moderator, there aren't really any rules here. It's also annoying that some don't make the effort to find an answer before asking, and then get upset that nobody will explain to them what a telephone is, or what VoIP means. But if you look back at the last week or two, the majority of the noise on this list comes from those who are responding and then enter a drawn out argument as to why the initial post bothered 10,000 people. I believe the list volume would decrease by at least 50% if we all simply took our disagreements off-list, or ignored messages that don't belong. And in the process, the signal-to-noise ratio here would greatly improve. If you don't agree, please ignore this message or respond off-list. If you do agree, great. The problem of taking these messages off list is exactly that no one else sees the answer or at least the reason for no answer. There are many lists that I come across that seem to think that answering via private email is a good idea. Trouble is that the information then isn't archived for later searchers to reap the benefit of the exchange. If the occasional user doesn't get reminded publicly that what they did was wrong, you would have more people assuming it is okay to do the same thing. If you didn't see the occasional person pulled over for speeding, would you eventually let your speed creep up while driving? You are right though that the extra responses are usually not necessary. I understand that some feel the need to smooth the waters. I equate it to a child getting spanked by one parent and running crying to the other parent for some consoling. I am quick to spank users who misbehave. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Skype - Bandwidth
When I see people arguing on the list about arguing off list, it kinda reminds me of the old question; what came first the chicken or the egg? yeah and I'm doing it on list (in case you didn't notice). Enjoy guys. On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:03:27 -0600, Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 16:46 -0600, Jay Milk wrote: Yes yes, it's totally hypocritical to post the following, but I think everyone should read it (yes, I think I'm just THAT important). Here's a perfect example of a mis-post that was blown out of proportion. When I first saw Cesar's post, I responded off-list to the effect that this would be the wrong forum to ask this question. If others had done the same -- responded off-list -- or simply ignored that message, that would have been the end of the thread. Instead, 16 more messages clogged the list. Yes, it's necessary to explain to posters why certain messages won't get answered. But I don't think it's necessary to do it in front of 10,000 people. Yes, it's annoying that some folks don't understand or respect the rules of this list -- but in absence of a moderator, there aren't really any rules here. It's also annoying that some don't make the effort to find an answer before asking, and then get upset that nobody will explain to them what a telephone is, or what VoIP means. But if you look back at the last week or two, the majority of the noise on this list comes from those who are responding and then enter a drawn out argument as to why the initial post bothered 10,000 people. I believe the list volume would decrease by at least 50% if we all simply took our disagreements off-list, or ignored messages that don't belong. And in the process, the signal-to-noise ratio here would greatly improve. If you don't agree, please ignore this message or respond off-list. If you do agree, great. The problem of taking these messages off list is exactly that no one else sees the answer or at least the reason for no answer. There are many lists that I come across that seem to think that answering via private email is a good idea. Trouble is that the information then isn't archived for later searchers to reap the benefit of the exchange. If the occasional user doesn't get reminded publicly that what they did was wrong, you would have more people assuming it is okay to do the same thing. If you didn't see the occasional person pulled over for speeding, would you eventually let your speed creep up while driving? You are right though that the extra responses are usually not necessary. I understand that some feel the need to smooth the waters. I equate it to a child getting spanked by one parent and running crying to the other parent for some consoling. I am quick to spank users who misbehave. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
