RE: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
441xxx geographic based landline 442xxx geographic based landline 443xx reserved 444xx reserved 445xx corp and voip 446xx reserved 447xx pagers, personal etc 448xx national rate, local rate, freephone, some mobile, blah 449xx premium services For the UK, your most accurate source of info is probably the first few pages of the BT Phone Book (delivered free to all UK homes/businesses). There's quite a comprehensive list of what each number range is for, how it breaks down, etc. I did find a list somewhere of the useful special services (1xxx.) such as BT customer services, line tests, etc. that I can copy from one of our clients' dialplans if it'd be any help? Regards, Chris -- C.M. Bagnall, Director, Minotaur I.T. Limited This email is made from 100% recycled electrons ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 10:12:58PM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone has put together a comprehensive list (that is reasonably maintained) that lists country codes, landline numbers, mobile numbers, etc. The particular requirement is for a dialplan to know what is going to be charged to whom. For example, mobile and landline rates are the same in the US the US has a unified numbering plan of 1NXXNXX, while the UK has: 441xxx geographic based landline 442xxx geographic based landline 443xx reserved Actually 443 is now a new geographic range 444xx reserved 445xx corp and voip 446xx reserved 447xx pagers, personal etc 447 is mobile, personal, some pagers etc. 448xx national rate, local rate, freephone, some mobile, blah 44800 is freephone there is an on-going discussion whether 4487 numbers (or at least some) should go into premium rate. 449xx premium services Although I dont see something that states what a valid number actually is. So idealy to avoid getting charged a higher rate I would want to limit all calls to the UK to region codes starting with a 1 or 2 (although from what I have seen most of the 2x is 20 for london). There are other areas too covered by 2. Also you have to know who's terminating it. You can make an assumption re BT termination, but directly connected businesses may use another telco with different termination rates etc. A lot of UK telco's have difficulty pricing UK termination because of this (or risk taking a hit if they get it wrong). Steve -- NetTek Ltd Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 Skype / In stevekennedyuk / UK +442088167166 / US +13106518226 Vonage UK +442079932612 / US +13108577715 / UK mob 07775 755503 Personal Blog http://stevekennedy.blogspot.com Euro Tech News Blog http://eurotechnews.blogspot.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 07:53:09AM +0100, Chris Bagnall wrote: For the UK, your most accurate source of info is probably the first few pages of the BT Phone Book (delivered free to all UK homes/businesses). There's quite a comprehensive list of what each number range is for, how it breaks down, etc. I did find a list somewhere of the useful special services (1xxx.) such as BT customer services, line tests, etc. that I can copy from one of our clients' dialplans if it'd be any help? Actually the best indication is Ofcom's site (the regulator), they publish number blocks and who owns them (doesn't take porting into account, but it's a start). www.ofcom.org.uk Steve -- NetTek Ltd Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 Skype / In stevekennedyuk / UK +442088167166 / US +13106518226 Vonage UK +442079932612 / US +13108577715 / UK mob 07775 755503 Personal Blog http://stevekennedy.blogspot.com Euro Tech News Blog http://eurotechnews.blogspot.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 07:53 +0100, Chris Bagnall wrote: For the UK, your most accurate source of info is probably the first few pages of the BT Phone Book (delivered free to all UK homes/businesses). There's quite a comprehensive list of what each number range is for, how it breaks down, etc. Ok, then let me ask the obvious, can anyone with a phone book publish that info? Although there its fairly easy restrict everything that doesnt start with a 1 2 and you are safe, start opening that up and you may or may not be depending on provider (some that include uk landlines do not incl freephone for example). I did find a list somewhere of the useful special services (1xxx.) such as BT customer services, line tests, etc. that I can copy from one of our clients' dialplans if it'd be any help? dont most of those start with 14? like to enable/disable caller id and such. But regardless I am more interested in what is valid landlines in various countries, not just the UK but all countries. When trying to create a dialplan for voipbuster to avoid charges I noticed that several of the countries didnt appear to have identifable mobile numbers (at least according to wikipedia) and others werent listed at all. This means that there are several countries I cant tell. But voipbuster aside this information is generally a good thing to have for anyone who wants to either use a voip service provider and not be charged the sometimes insane termination rates to mobiles, or worse call a premium service number for $2511/minute (as was the case with a +1 809 number once). Then for the voip provider side, there are rates sheets but sometimes they are incomplete on what is what, and carriers have pass through billing. Take UK premium most people list those as 44 9xx or 44 90x, but both of those arent entirely correct. 44 945 is a (now deprecated) pager prefix (or was that 941?). 4490x and 91x are premium service numbers, block only 90x and you miss the 91x which can be as much as 1.50 GBP/min (and despite the hype icstis does have exemptions on certification for those that get a premium number even at the 1.50 GBP/min rate). The cost per call to some UK premium can be quite high when its a 'call for payment of a product' type service. Then take into account other countries with looser telecom laws (liechtenstein, afganistan are two that come immediatly to mind). People have been setting up phone companies there then changing the published rate for termination to their phone company and with pass through billing the voip provider gets hosed unless they too have pass through to their end user (I bet that will become more popular in the near future - although by the time it happens the credit/debit card can be canceled etc). This is basically what happened to nuphone to the tune of $450k in one month. All of these factors need to be addressed in a good dialplan, although its really hard to keep one as dynamic as it would need to be (ie someone sets up a new phone company, you need to know it exists, maybe mark it as 'new' for a while to see if any suspicous traffic comes in - if you can even tell if its new). With other countries where the phone numbering system is fairly static and fairly regulated the lists shouldnt be that hard to create. This would be a nice wiki page on voip-info.org if people contribute the numbers from their localities to at least get it started, and over time it would grow to something quite usable. I used to have a itu.org or something page that had number formatting for each country although I dont think that it went into what is and what wasnt mobile, special services, and landlines. will keep trying to find that again. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 09:34 +0100, Steve Kennedy wrote: 448xx national rate, local rate, freephone, some mobile, blah 44800 is freephone and 808 and um what is the third? I wanna say 500 but I am not sure that is right. there is an on-going discussion whether 4487 numbers (or at least some) should go into premium rate. Well legally they arent yet. But there are some 87 numbers that are for mercury, some are vodaphone, cellnet, BT, um um um. Then you have 871 (10ppm national rate) 870 (NCFA) 87 has more than what is most popular (870/871) and that makes it a problem depending on the rates to the specific 'subexchanges'. Note about 871, the 10ppm is the BT rate, one voip provider is about half that while some others traditional carriers are 10-40% more. Although I dont see something that states what a valid number actually is. So idealy to avoid getting charged a higher rate I would want to limit all calls to the UK to region codes starting with a 1 or 2 (although from what I have seen most of the 2x is 20 for london). There are other areas too covered by 2. Yeah thus the use of the word 'most' :) Also you have to know who's terminating it. You can make an assumption re BT termination, but directly connected businesses may use another telco with different termination rates etc. A lot of UK telco's have difficulty pricing UK termination because of this (or risk taking a hit if they get it wrong). Yeah, although some companies (CW for example) have built out their own network and can terminate cheaper than BT so ... -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 09:36 +0100, Steve Kennedy wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 07:53:09AM +0100, Chris Bagnall wrote: For the UK, your most accurate source of info is probably the first few pages of the BT Phone Book (delivered free to all UK homes/businesses). There's quite a comprehensive list of what each number range is for, how it breaks down, etc. I did find a list somewhere of the useful special services (1xxx.) such as BT customer services, line tests, etc. that I can copy from one of our clients' dialplans if it'd be any help? Actually the best indication is Ofcom's site (the regulator), they publish number blocks and who owns them (doesn't take porting into account, but it's a start). www.ofcom.org.uk Yeah but that still doesnt answer the fundamental question. While they do have who owns stuff they do it based on prefix (ie 44 871 59 is pipemedia) but it doesnt tell you how many digits are past that (5 more with that one anyway). I dont know that all UK phone numbers are 11 digits (infact I am led to believe they arent). And outside the UK you may want to know what is premium, mobile, etc. What would incur higher charges for the call itself. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
AstBill the Web-based open source Billing and Management software for Asterisk includes the information you are requesting. AstBill is not only a web-based, user-friendly billing interface to Asterisk. It is also a Asterisk configuration and management tool and a standardized implementation of Asterisk using REALTIME and static configuration as you please. in AstBill the MySQL table 'astcountrycode' contain 601 records of countries and US states including the countrycode and US State Codes. The MySQL table 'astroute' contain 1412 routing record for Outgoing trunk routing. In AstBill you can assign each of these routes to any 'outgoing trunk' as you wish. This is the perfect routing engine for Asterisk and unlike other systems. You don't need to enter all the basic data by your self. It is all provided to you FREE OF CHARGE from the AstBill Team. The MySQL table 'astpricelist' contain 4179 records as examples of pricing records for your customers. You can have as many price lists (brands) for each route you want in any currency. Have a look at the AstBill DEMO: http://demo.astbill.com or download from http://astbill.com. Are Casilla http://astartelecom.com - Independent VOIP Telecoms Broker. Asterisk and Drupal Consultants http://astbill.com - Billing, Routing and Management software for Asterisk and VOIP AstBill DEMO: http://demo.astbill.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 10:50 +0100, Are wrote: in AstBill the MySQL table 'astcountrycode' contain 601 records of countries and US states including the countrycode and US State Codes. I will look at that, although personally I dont like drupal, and dont need a billing system per se, I had planned onl ooking at it for other reasons. Where do you get the data from? Obviously I can just dump it but it would be nice for me to know where you got it from. I did notice this: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Numbering+plans which links to http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/inr/nnp/index.html (listing of basically every countries numbering plan administrator) and also links to http://www.wtng.info/ (not what I had hoped but for now it seems to be the best thing going ...) Maybe I will make some parser that will deal with the data from astbill although I want to make sure of its origin (no offense, but there is a ton of info on the net as a whole it cant all be true :) and make sure that its current (from what I have seen on www.itu.int a few countries are renumbering lately. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
Dear Bret The data is collected from many sources during close to two years. We can't ensure it is allways up to date and will be happy if you can report any changes/errors. Feel free to use the data only if it is usefull http://www.numberingplans.com is a commercial service but there is some free info on the site. Are Casilla http://astartelecom.com - Independent VOIP Telecoms Broker. Asterisk and Drupal Consultants http://astbill.com - Billing, Routing and Management software for Asterisk and VOIP AstBill DEMO: http://demo.astbill.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
AstBill the Web-based open source Billing and Management software for Asterisk includes the information you are requesting. big snip Apologies for the slight threadjack, but as someone fairly new to the list, what *is* the policy on list advertising? There are quite a few posts I've seen in the few weeks I've subscribed that are pretty close to the blurry line. Back to the original topic - what's the purpose for which you need this information? Building dialplans or billing? As you've discovered, the UK is a complete mix of different number ranges, often numbers within those being billed at different rates. It used to be the case that one could look at a mobile number range and *know* what network it was on - but with number porting and so on, that's no longer the case. Each mobile network sets their own termination rates, all of which significantly affect the price callers will pay (so having a flat rate for calls to mobiles might not be possible). I've seen some companies charging calls to mobiles on the 3 network at nearly twice the price of the big 4. I'd say you're pretty safe with 01xxx and 02xxx. 05xx hasn't really taken off yet, especially with 01xxx and 02xxx numbers available so cheaply from VoIP providers, and given that current rates are ~10p to 05 numbers, it doesn't show signs of taking off in the short term. 449xx premium services Most of our clients generally ask me to block everything staring 09xx by default. The few pager numbers that are still in this range should (I'd be interested to hear if they're not) have been assigned new ranges in the 07xxx block by now. Regards, Chris -- C.M. Bagnall, Director, Minotaur I.T. Limited This email is made from 100% recycled electrons ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
most compherensive list that I saw is http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=diallingsub=areacodes Cheers, Oner On 10/11/05, Chris Bagnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AstBill the Web-based open source Billing and Management software for Asterisk includes the information you are requesting. big snipApologies for the slight threadjack, but as someone fairly new to the list,what *is* the policy on list advertising? There are quite a few posts I'veseen in the few weeks I've subscribed that are pretty close to the blurry line.Back to the original topic - what's the purpose for which you need thisinformation? Building dialplans or billing?As you've discovered, the UK is a complete mix of different number ranges, often numbers within those being billed at different rates. It used to bethe case that one could look at a mobile number range and *know* whatnetwork it was on - but with number porting and so on, that's no longer the case. Each mobile network sets their own termination rates, all of whichsignificantly affect the price callers will pay (so having a flat rate forcalls to mobiles might not be possible). I've seen some companies charging calls to mobiles on the 3 network at nearly twice the price of the big 4.I'd say you're pretty safe with 01xxx and 02xxx.05xx hasn't really taken off yet, especially with 01xxx and 02xxx numbers available so cheaply from VoIP providers, and given that current rates are~10p to 05 numbers, it doesn't show signs of taking off in the short term. 449xx premium servicesMost of our clients generally ask me to block everything staring 09xx by default. The few pager numbers that are still in this range should (I'd beinterested to hear if they're not) have been assigned new ranges in the07xxx block by now.Regards,Chris--C.M. Bagnall, Director, Minotaur I.T. LimitedThis email is made from 100% recycled electrons___--Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing listAsterisk-Users@lists.digium.comhttp://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 11:40 +0100, Chris Bagnall wrote: AstBill the Web-based open source Billing and Management software for Asterisk includes the information you are requesting. big snip Apologies for the slight threadjack, but as someone fairly new to the list, what *is* the policy on list advertising? There are quite a few posts I've seen in the few weeks I've subscribed that are pretty close to the blurry line. Back to the original topic - what's the purpose for which you need this information? Building dialplans or billing? personally dialplans, for some associates of mine they want billing abilities, more specifically they have a desire to know better what is what in a foreign country. While they know their own numbering plan, and a couple of other countries there are a BUNCH of countries out there with totally different numbering schemes. Others on the list may want it for either, I have a feeling this request goes beyond my personal desire. What I did was get astbill, I am trying to see where all the bits of info is that I need (starting to look like two tables I will have to go through to get everything I want). I may make a page that will create extensions.conf cut-and-paste stuff tomorrow (I am still up from yesterday so odds are not tonight - the sun is almost up I am about to turn into a pumpkin :) Assuming astbill's data is accurate, and my very very brief view of it based on the limited countries I do know of it appears to be fairly complete, then people should be able to goto my webpage and either download the data and run it themselves or possibly use a webapp on my webpage to create an asterisk dialplan for specified countries based on a very simple template. I may make it simplier with instructions on sed, it all depends on how I feel. If you save the file and run sed it would be far easier for me :) As you've discovered, the UK is a complete mix of different number ranges, often numbers within those being billed at different rates. It used to be It started with the UK as an *example* and everyone seems to have latched onto that. I wanted to know more than the UK, I wanted every country. astbill seems to have that data, I seem to have located all the little bits that I need from that data, so this is progressing along, from my perspective anyway. 449xx premium services Most of our clients generally ask me to block everything staring 09xx by default. The few pager numbers that are still in this range should (I'd be interested to hear if they're not) have been assigned new ranges in the 07xxx block by now. I have gotten through to 1 pager in the 945 or 941 I forget now in the last week or so. You think country code 44 is a mess, think about country code 1, it spans many countries ... some in +1 have had $2511/minute rates. Yes twenty five hundred eleven united states dollars per minute! Country code 1 is really a region code (north america) and becuase of the different countries there are different rates, interconnection fees, laws governing the numbers, etc. So it could be worse :P -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 14:15 +0300, oner asterisk wrote: most compherensive list that I saw is http://www.numberingplans.com/?page=diallingsub=areacodes The only problem with that is in the first one I tried (Ireland) it didnt give me the specific info I wanted :/ I tried the US and it is a really short list and doesnt include numbers like 700, 900, tollfree, etc. In ireland (+353) mobiles are 083 085 086 087 088 with 088 largely deprecated (eircell analogue). New subscriptions have to be from the assigned pool, so there havent been any new 088s issued for a while, maybe someone ported to digital service? I dunno, its mostly deprecated anyway :P I would like to know if a call is a landline, premium, mobile or other type of special service. It appears that astbill has this data, and I am working off that for now, I would just feel more comfortable if I knew where they got it from (not enough time has passed from the first time I asked for that, so I dont fault them for not saying anything just yet). -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 02:29:04AM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: Yeah but that still doesnt answer the fundamental question. While they do have who owns stuff they do it based on prefix (ie 44 871 59 is pipemedia) but it doesnt tell you how many digits are past that (5 more with that one anyway). I dont know that all UK phone numbers are 11 digits (infact I am led to believe they arent). Well they are mainly standardised and should be easily worked out as it'll be oddities not the norm which don't fit. And outside the UK you may want to know what is premium, mobile, etc. What would incur higher charges for the call itself. You can find that out from the Ofcom number plans Steve -- NetTek Ltd Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 Skype / In stevekennedyuk / UK +442088167166 / US +13106518226 Vonage UK +442079932612 / US +13108577715 / UK mob 07775 755503 Personal Blog http://stevekennedy.blogspot.com Euro Tech News Blog http://eurotechnews.blogspot.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 02:21:03AM -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: [snip] Also you have to know who's terminating it. You can make an assumption re BT termination, but directly connected businesses may use another telco with different termination rates etc. A lot of UK telco's have difficulty pricing UK termination because of this (or risk taking a hit if they get it wrong). Yeah, although some companies (CW for example) have built out their own network and can terminate cheaper than BT so ... Err, B*llox. BT own 85% of the infrastructure into premises i.e. most UK calls will terminate into a BT line. CW have interconnected with BT at MSPs (multi-service points) and have bought capacity to the actual DLEs (digital local exchanges). There are around 5,600 DLEs in the UK and you need to connect to around 770 of them to get single or dual tandem access. Other operators have done this too (Energis - now owned by CW, THUS, Opal [Carphone Warehouse] and others). CW terminate cheaper to be competetive. BT are regulated as they have SMP and have to differentiate wholesale/retail pricing etc. BT COULD terminate cheaper than any other provider if they were allowed to. Steve -- NetTek Ltd Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 Skype / In stevekennedyuk / UK +442088167166 / US +13106518226 Vonage UK +442079932612 / US +13108577715 / UK mob 07775 755503 Personal Blog http://stevekennedy.blogspot.com Euro Tech News Blog http://eurotechnews.blogspot.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
I'm curious, for a $2511/min call, which +1 number was this? +1900? Kevin -Original Message- You think country code 44 is a mess, think about country code 1, it spans many countries ... some in +1 have had $2511/minute rates. Yes twenty five hundred eleven united states dollars per minute! Country code 1 is really a region code (north america) and becuase of the different countries there are different rates, interconnection fees, laws governing the numbers, etc. So it could be worse :P -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 16:47 +0100, Steve Kennedy wrote: And outside the UK you may want to know what is premium, mobile, etc. What would incur higher charges for the call itself. You can find that out from the Ofcom number plans They have lists for outside the UK? I didnt think they did that ;) At any rate I ripped the database tables from astbill.com and am using that as a base (found a few missing ones too, which are now submitted to them :) I am almost done with my super wonder magical include for adding countries easier than ever to extensions.conf (bet it gets out of date by mid next week). I will try to toss this on my page today, under the voip section, along with directions on how to use it and why I did it the way I did. In essence each country is a context, there are super contexts for country code 1, a US48, US50, Canada, caribbean, and pacific and of course all of country code 1. Each state in the US, and region in canada as well as all the different other countries tossed into 'country code' 1 are seperate if you want to pick and choose. I am trying to make this complete, however expect errors, omissions and general breakage, if it works for you hey great. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 11:16 -0500, Kevin Scott wrote: I'm curious, for a $2511/min call, which +1 number was this? +1900? Kevin 809. It was set up as a premium number in that country. While that was an extreme case it did aparently happen back in the 90s sometime. And because the country in question (I forget exactly which one) didnt require it there was no recording at the begining of the call saying that it was a premium number, nor anything saying what the rate was. Because of the way things ended up the telcos told the company there they had to collect themselves (they didnt) and didnt charge their customers. It was in a few newspapers (I read about it in the NJ Star Ledger at the time, but that may have been an AP story I dont know now, just that was the only paper I read at that time and I know roughly where I lived when I read it, and do recall it was back when I acutally read paper based newspapers). Most of the scammers are smarter than to try something to insane, get a few dollars here and there, so it is a legitimate problem. I have only read one story with that amount, but I would imagine that it goes on far more, just with a $1-2 per minute charge instead ... -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tuesday 11 Oct 2005 12:19, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: [...] It started with the UK as an *example* and everyone seems to have latched onto that. I wanted to know more than the UK, I wanted every country. astbill seems to have that data, I seem to have located all the little bits that I need from that data, so this is progressing along, from my perspective anyway. [...] Try http://global.mci.com/uk/customer/. Look at the box in the bottom right hand corner. It may give you a bit more info. B ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] country code list
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 19:54 +0100, Bob Goddard wrote: On Tuesday 11 Oct 2005 12:19, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: [...] It started with the UK as an *example* and everyone seems to have latched onto that. I wanted to know more than the UK, I wanted every country. astbill seems to have that data, I seem to have located all the little bits that I need from that data, so this is progressing along, from my perspective anyway. [...] Try http://global.mci.com/uk/customer/. Look at the box in the bottom right hand corner. It may give you a bit more info. Thank you this is what I wanted all along. Yes they do have more of a breakdown, at least with mexico. I am unsure if I will use anything from astbill, not becuase the data is inherently bad but because I may change the way I do this ... I am thinking parse a CSV and create the dialplan out of that, that way its easier to regenerate in the future. Comments, spacing and everything my dialplan from astbill.com was 1700 lines or so, the MCI file is about 4300 lines, so there was definately stuff missing (whether that is astcill or my that was missing from what was there I dont know). I should have something all new and better soon for people that wanted to create better dialplans. And to think this whole thing started out personally because I wanted the ability to create a good dialplan for voipbuster.com and some friends wanted me to think over billing solutions (not for a real product, a friend is mentoring a high school student in independant study on voip). Thanks a lot for this :D -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
