RE: [Asterisk-Users] determining legal VoIP service
Hi, -Original Message- Actually I believe this is one of the few things that can be done without worrying about the state(s) PUC coming down on your head. Since your users are in another country the state PUC cannot consider you providing a telephone service in their jurisdiction. Actually, this is precisely what matters. Your services can be considered to be within jurisdiction of your geographical area, or within the jurisdiction of your customers geographical area. Not both in most cases :-) I'm not sure which would apply for you - even within europe, standpoints differ... Florian ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] determining legal VoIP service
I heard this argument when in SA by a group using Net2Phone- it was not accepted by the head of the Foreign Department of Telkom with whom I also spoke. Also of importance is that in many countries there have been police raids and confiscation of equipment used by CallShops because the CallShops are deemed by the incumbent to be 'breaking out'. You by offering these services would be encouraging them to do so. For consumers their task is impossible. At this point it is mostly about MONEY - if the equipment used is cheaply priced it may be worthwhile for your customers to just have it raided once in a while or if your rates so good they can afford the bribes to keep the police out. As far as your legal position it comes down to TWO things: 1. What that state says 2. Their ability to enforce it With Spain it is part of the European Union and Free Competition legilslation so there is no issue at all. With Nigeria it is illegal however even if their courts obtain judgement against you (probably without you knowing) they would be set upon the task of taking the judgement to your juristiction to enforce it - if where you live has a bilateral agreement with that country. Final comment - there are a lot of people doing what you want to out of Nigeria. I even know of one guy who is married to a barrister. I don't think you will have a problem finding people who will want to do the business. Stephen Wingfield Actually I believe this is one of the few things that can be done without worrying about the state(s) PUC coming down on your head. Since your users are in another country the state PUC cannot consider you providing a telephone service in their jurisdiction. - Dustin - Walker Haddock wrote: Can anyone recommend who we can consult with that could provide advice on the legality of a proposed VoIP service. Specifically, we would provide VoIP termination in the USA to clients in Spain, Nigeria and Guana. The termination service would connect the VoIP clients to the PSTN through a carrier like MCI, Verizon, etc. The calls placed would connect anywhere in the world via the USA carrier. Thanks, Walker ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] determining legal VoIP service
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, Dustin Goodwin wrote: Actually I believe this is one of the few things that can be done without worrying about the state(s) PUC coming down on your head. Since your users are in another country the state PUC cannot consider you providing a telephone service in their jurisdiction. On the other hand, this is quite likely not allowed on the Nigeria and Ghana ends. That's the way it is in my country - South Africa - anyway. Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] determining legal VoIP service
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walker Haddock Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 5:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] determining legal VoIP service Can anyone recommend who we can consult with that could provide advice on the legality of a proposed VoIP service. Specifically, we would provide VoIP termination in the USA to clients in Spain, Nigeria and Guana. The termination service would connect the VoIP clients to the PSTN through a carrier like MCI, Verizon, etc. The calls placed would connect anywhere in the world via the USA carrier. If you're interested in receiving traffic for those locations, you could talk to ITXC. They mostly sell H.323 termination though other people's POP sites around the world. They may need more termination in those areas. If so, they are very well versed in this type of thing, and could probably help you out (not just in getting your proosed plan running, but possibly making a good bit of money on top of that). I don't know anyone in the reseller/sales division, only their engineers, but you might want to give them a try. The could become a very good customer/peer of yours if you happen to be terminating in the right spots. http://www.itxc.net FYI, I don't see much on their web site about becoming a SNOC as they call it, but I'd try just giving sales or a general number a call and see who you can get transferred to. Best of luck, Daryl G. Jurbala BMPC Network Operations Tel (NY): +1 917 477 0468 x235 Tel (MI): +1 616 608 0004 x235 Tel (UK): +44 208 792 6813 x235 Fax: +1 508 526 8500 INOC-DBA: 26412*DGJ PGP Key: http://www.introspect.net/pgp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] determining legal VoIP service
In order to sell it to ITXC, the minimum capacity is 1E1/T1. We are buying/selling termination without capacity limit. If you have some good routes, please let me know Jeff Chen UM Network, Canada Tel:1-416-324-8066 Fax: 1-416-324-8261 www.mutualphone.com Yahoo messenger ID: jeffcheny2k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: January 31, 2004 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] determining legal VoIP service -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walker Haddock Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 5:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] determining legal VoIP service Can anyone recommend who we can consult with that could provide advice on the legality of a proposed VoIP service. Specifically, we would provide VoIP termination in the USA to clients in Spain, Nigeria and Guana. The termination service would connect the VoIP clients to the PSTN through a carrier like MCI, Verizon, etc. The calls placed would connect anywhere in the world via the USA carrier. If you're interested in receiving traffic for those locations, you could talk to ITXC. They mostly sell H.323 termination though other people's POP sites around the world. They may need more termination in those areas. If so, they are very well versed in this type of thing, and could probably help you out (not just in getting your proosed plan running, but possibly making a good bit of money on top of that). I don't know anyone in the reseller/sales division, only their engineers, but you might want to give them a try. The could become a very good customer/peer of yours if you happen to be terminating in the right spots. http://www.itxc.net FYI, I don't see much on their web site about becoming a SNOC as they call it, but I'd try just giving sales or a general number a call and see who you can get transferred to. Best of luck, Daryl G. Jurbala BMPC Network Operations Tel (NY): +1 917 477 0468 x235 Tel (MI): +1 616 608 0004 x235 Tel (UK): +44 208 792 6813 x235 Fax: +1 508 526 8500 INOC-DBA: 26412*DGJ PGP Key: http://www.introspect.net/pgp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] determining legal VoIP service
Actually I believe this is one of the few things that can be done without worrying about the state(s) PUC coming down on your head. Since your users are in another country the state PUC cannot consider you providing a telephone service in their jurisdiction. - Dustin - Walker Haddock wrote: Can anyone recommend who we can consult with that could provide advice on the legality of a proposed VoIP service. Specifically, we would provide VoIP termination in the USA to clients in Spain, Nigeria and Guana. The termination service would connect the VoIP clients to the PSTN through a carrier like MCI, Verizon, etc. The calls placed would connect anywhere in the world via the USA carrier. Thanks, Walker ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
