RE: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005, Lull, Rick wrote: This is one of the main reasons that AstWind has stagnated. The timing granularity of the virtual machines is not acceptable for doing anything IO related. Just since I am curious, what version of VMWare did you use and what kind of box where you running on? 4.5 and 5.0 variants of Vmware Workstation and CoLinux on top of a Windows host environment. Same applies for running Vmware under a Linux host environment as well. Machines where 2.8 Ghz Dell boxes w/ 1.5 gigs of ram. I've just moved my * box to a VM on ESX server and didn't play with voicemail until you mentioned it - now Allison's voice cuts in and out. Sounds like I am going to have to go back to the box I was running on previously. My original box is a P3 500 desktop while my VMWare ESX box is a dual P3 1.4GHz HP Proliant server. You would probably get the BEST performance by using User Mode Linux, w/ the latest SKAS patches. I know someone that does this and only occasionally has a dropped frame in audio here and there. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 11:38:41PM -0400, Greg Boehnlein wrote: On Sat, 13 Aug 2005, Lull, Rick wrote: This is one of the main reasons that AstWind has stagnated. The timing granularity of the virtual machines is not acceptable for doing anything IO related. Just since I am curious, what version of VMWare did you use and what kind of box where you running on? 4.5 and 5.0 variants of Vmware Workstation and CoLinux on top of a Windows host environment. Same applies for running Vmware under a Linux host environment as well. Machines where 2.8 Ghz Dell boxes w/ 1.5 gigs of ram. I've just moved my * box to a VM on ESX server and didn't play with voicemail until you mentioned it - now Allison's voice cuts in and out. Sounds like I am going to have to go back to the box I was running on previously. My original box is a P3 500 desktop while my VMWare ESX box is a dual P3 1.4GHz HP Proliant server. You would probably get the BEST performance by using User Mode Linux, w/ the latest SKAS patches. I know someone that does this and only occasionally has a dropped frame in audio here and there. While I agree that User Mode Linux is definitely capable of running an Asterisk system, I do it myself, it certainly isn't the best performance. XEN smashes UML in performance. For example: Kernel Build Times Raw Hardware 5m5.993s Xen Admin Domain (dom0) 5m19.758s Xen User Domain (like UML)5m49.133s UML 15m24.464s Michael Greb signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question
Title: RE: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question I did find this on the VMware wish list re Asterisk and PCI slots. I'm not holding my breath. http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=7839=65462 I guess I'll drum up an PC from spares. -Original Message- From: Greg Boehnlein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:24 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Bruce Leetch wrote: Am I banging my head against at Windows/VMware/Linux/Asterisk incompatibility? Or can this work and I'm just doing something stupid (always a possibility with me). It's not going to work. Vmware presents a complete Virtual PC, so unless EMC / Vmware release drivers to specifically connect the Virtual PC to the real PC hardware, you are in trouble. The do a pass-through w/ USB, Serial and Paralell, but those are a different story. With a great amount of effort, I can drum up a spare machine, but I REALLY don't want to do this and would much prefer the VMware setup. Any advice will be welcomed. I'm afraid that under any Virtual platform (CoLinux, Vmware, MS Virutal PC) you are SOL as far as real access to hardware on the host PCI bus w/out special drivers written specifically for that purpose. On the other hand, I'm sure that Vmware would be happy to help you out if you gave them a couple of million bucks! ;) -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Bruce Leetch wrote: Am I banging my head against at Windows/VMware/Linux/Asterisk incompatibility? Or can this work and I'm just doing something stupid (always a possibility with me). It's not going to work. Vmware presents a complete Virtual PC, so unless EMC / Vmware release drivers to specifically connect the Virtual PC to the real PC hardware, you are in trouble. The do a pass-through w/ USB, Serial and Paralell, but those are a different story. With a great amount of effort, I can drum up a spare machine, but I REALLY don't want to do this and would much prefer the VMware setup. Any advice will be welcomed. I'm afraid that under any Virtual platform (CoLinux, Vmware, MS Virutal PC) you are SOL as far as real access to hardware on the host PCI bus w/out special drivers written specifically for that purpose. On the other hand, I'm sure that Vmware would be happy to help you out if you gave them a couple of million bucks! ;) -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Tom Rymes wrote: VMWare is a virtual machine and has nothing to do with the physical layout of the box (which is why you can migrate vmware images across machines for example). If you want to run Asterisk under Linux setup a box to run it. Agreed. You would be better to grab a used $200 machine and install linux Asterisk on it. Unless you are scaling up to at least 10+ simultaneous calls, I would imagine that something you have lying around would handle it. If you insist on VMWare, I would imagine that you could configure a Sipura SPA-3000 to provide incoming (FXO) and analog extension (FXS) ports This works. I've done it on occasion for testing. However, because virtual PCs rarely operate on a real-time clock, mostly emulating these features, you will find that anything that read/writes to disk will suck badly. For example, it is nearly impossible to use the Voicemail features of Asterisk under Vmware, CoLinux or UserMode Linux. Believe me, I've tried! ;) This is one of the main reasons that AstWind has stagnated. The timing granularity of the virtual machines is not acceptable for doing anything IO related. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question
This works. I've done it on occasion for testing. However, because virtual PCs rarely operate on a real-time clock, mostly emulating these features, you will find that anything that read/writes to disk will suck badly. For example, it is nearly impossible to use the Voicemail features of Asterisk under Vmware, CoLinux or UserMode Linux. Believe me, I've tried! ;) This is one of the main reasons that AstWind has stagnated. The timing granularity of the virtual machines is not acceptable for doing anything IO related. Just since I am curious, what version of VMWare did you use and what kind of box where you running on? I've just moved my * box to a VM on ESX server and didn't play with voicemail until you mentioned it - now Allison's voice cuts in and out. Sounds like I am going to have to go back to the box I was running on previously. My original box is a P3 500 desktop while my VMWare ESX box is a dual P3 1.4GHz HP Proliant server. Rick The information in this communication is intended to be confidential to the Individual(s) and/or Entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain information of a Privileged and/or Confidential nature, which is subject to Federal and/or State privacy regulations. In the event that you are not the intended recipient or the agent of the intended recipient, do not copy or use the information contained within this communication, or allow it to be read, copied or utilized in any manner, by any other person(s). Should this communication be received in error, please notify the sender immediately either by response e-mail or by phone, and permanently delete the original e-mail, attachment(s), and any copies. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question
Bruce Leetch wrote: I've purchased a TDM11B card and have installed it in the box. Windows sees it as a PCI Simple Communications board. A Linux lspci doesn't show anything even vaguely resembling this card. This troubles me. VMWare is a virtual machine and has nothing to do with the physical layout of the box (which is why you can migrate vmware images across machines for example). If you want to run Asterisk under Linux setup a box to run it. Tony ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question
On Aug 12, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Tony Hoyle wrote: Bruce Leetch wrote: I've purchased a TDM11B card and have installed it in the box. Windows sees it as a PCI Simple Communications board. A Linux lspci doesn't show anything even vaguely resembling this card. This troubles me. VMWare is a virtual machine and has nothing to do with the physical layout of the box (which is why you can migrate vmware images across machines for example). If you want to run Asterisk under Linux setup a box to run it. Agreed. You would be better to grab a used $200 machine and install linux Asterisk on it. Unless you are scaling up to at least 10+ simultaneous calls, I would imagine that something you have lying around would handle it. If you insist on VMWare, I would imagine that you could configure a Sipura SPA-3000 to provide incoming (FXO) and analog extension (FXS) ports Tom ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question
On Aug 12, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Tony Hoyle wrote: Bruce Leetch wrote: I've purchased a TDM11B card and have installed it in the box. Windows sees it as a PCI Simple Communications board. A Linux lspci doesn't show anything even vaguely resembling this card. This troubles me. VMWare is a virtual machine and has nothing to do with the physical layout of the box (which is why you can migrate vmware images across machines for example). If you want to run Asterisk under Linux setup a box to run it. We run GSX server here, which does (as you have seen) abstract the hardware into generic devices just like the Workstation product. I haven't looked into it deeply enough to know for certain, but the ESX server is meant to offer more of a 'bare metal' interface to hardware. Perhaps it's worth trying that before giving up on this route altogether? -Darren -- Darren Nickerson Senior Sales Support Engineer iFAX Solutions, Inc. www.ifax.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.215.438.4638 x8106 +1.215.243.8335 (fax) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] yet another Asterisk and VMware question
On 8/12/05, Bruce Leetch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've purchased a TDM11B card and have installed it in the box. Windows sees it as a PCI Simple Communications board. A Linux lspci doesn't show anything even vaguely resembling this card. This troubles me. You can run asterisk in a VMWare machine, but cannot use any hardware. VMWare simply doesn't give direct hardware access. Similar to video cards -- no matter what you have as physical hardware, your virtual machine always sees a standardized video device and for best performance, you use VMWare's drivers. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
