Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Lee Jenkins wrote: Vincent wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:51:10 -0500, Lee Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to reboot my desktop xp box daily for it to run well. I haven't rebooted my XPSP2 in months, and I let it run 24/7, with a bunch of apps open at all times. And this is a 300E no-name box. If your PC is so unstable, you should investigate the hardware and/or the device drivers. Maybe. Its not that its unstable, the system just becomes progressively slower and less responsive if I don't reboot once in a while. I also run scandisk and defrag weekly. Of course, it may have just as much do with the type of apps that I have open and running all the time as well. As I said, I like Windows, but I don't see a Server 2000 box out performing a comparable linux box for larger pbx systems. A small office, sure. I wonder if the linux box was also running Gnome or some other desktop at the same time, would that make it a closer comparison? Maybe Windows would outperform the linux box then? Part of the difference in stability in Linux vs. Windows from what I can tell has to do with the extensive use of threads in Windows. Threads basically live for ever, and in a shared address space/container. Processes also mean that there's an upper bound on how long any sort of memory leaks can persist. Versus just spawning a process, having it work, then exit (and free up all resources with no leaks and no residual fragmentation of the heap) Here's a suggestion: try getting into your registry, find the services that seem to be resource hogs, and try splitting them out into their own instances of svchost.exe. For the non-essential services (which are most), you can restart them periodically and that will clean things up a bit. I'm not an expert, but there are resources out there on the web about how to repackage a server for increased stability. Gnome versus the Windows desktop isn't a useful comparison either. The desktop is run cooperatively by all processes, and unstable process can pretty much trash the internal state of the desktop for everyone. Not so with X Windows. You can be greedy and use up all of the resources (backing store, graphics contexts, etc) but since most useful stuff is associated with a window or group of windows, and windows are owned by a process... if that process exists, its windows (and their associated resources) usually get cleaned up. Again, no persistent damage done by a process gone amuck. Very different from the threaded/shared memory architecture of Windows. It's potentially much more efficient (emphasis on potentially)... but it's also a lot more vulnerable to misbehaving applications. -Philip ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Vincent wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:51:10 -0500, Lee Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to reboot my desktop xp box daily for it to run well. I haven't rebooted my XPSP2 in months, and I let it run 24/7, with a bunch of apps open at all times. And this is a 300E no-name box. If your PC is so unstable, you should investigate the hardware and/or the device drivers. Maybe. Its not that its unstable, the system just becomes progressively slower and less responsive if I don't reboot once in a while. I also run scandisk and defrag weekly. Of course, it may have just as much do with the type of apps that I have open and running all the time as well. As I said, I like Windows, but I don't see a Server 2000 box out performing a comparable linux box for larger pbx systems. A small office, sure. I wonder if the linux box was also running Gnome or some other desktop at the same time, would that make it a closer comparison? Maybe Windows would outperform the linux box then? -- Warm Regards, Lee If I don't see you around here, I'll see you around, hear? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:27:10 +1300, Matt Riddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems strange to make this comment (i.e. higher uptime) in a conversation about porting zaptel to windows. I don't think it is. I wouldn't use Windows for big iron, but provided the hardware + drivers are reliable, and Windows is installed with the minimum, required amount of software, it's certainly reliable for SOHO use. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:47:38 +1100, Paul Hales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm - you could just buy a SPA-3000/3102/3666/etc. Thanks but I prefer PCI cards. Less cables, less power units that can burn, less mess :-) It seems strange to make this comment (i.e. higher uptime) in a conversation about porting zaptel to windows. - -- Kind Regards, Matt Riddell Director ___ http://www.venturevoip.com (Great new VoIP end to end solution) http://www.venturevoip.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.venturevoip.com/newrssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHbwrtDQNt8rg0Kp4RArqTAJ9Juhkm0UHoFpTkkTl62jj48YPA8gCdEhva +f1tqtO29Ltv7o8zu+raO5U= =7+B9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Dec 15, 2007 6:06 PM, Michael Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When an Asterisk appliance and associated phones can compete with a Panasonic KXTG-4000 (or similar) on terms including price, ease of use reliabilitythat's when Asterisk for every grandma, aunt, uncle counsins (who never finished high school) will be viable for the broader home/residential market. The other aspect of this question is that more and more, like computing in the cloud and storage in the cloud, VOIP in the cloud is taking over. How many people now have unlimited dialing on VOIP routers that have replaced phone lines for consumers, giving them similar flexibility? How many on this list have played with services like Grand Central or TringMe? What about these cell phone providers that give unlimited Wifi calling at anyone's home when they have the right router and hotspot? These and many other services are around the corner. Having hardware at home may become a thing of the past for the basic consumer. I love having asterisk in the office and playing with the dialplan, but for those who have no desire to play with technology, I see no future at all in hardware, other than better phones. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:18:08 +0100, randulo wrote: On Dec 15, 2007 6:06 PM, Michael Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other aspect of this question is that more and more, like computing in the cloud and storage in the cloud, VOIP in the cloud is taking over. How many people now have unlimited dialing on VOIP routers that have replaced phone lines for consumers, giving them similar flexibility? How many on this list have played with services like Grand Central or TringMe? What about these cell phone providers that give unlimited Wifi calling at anyone's home when they have the right router and hotspot? These and many other services are around the corner. Having hardware at home may become a thing of the past for the basic consumer. I love having asterisk in the office and playing with the dialplan, but for those who have no desire to play with technology, I see no future at all in hardware, other than better phones. That is a significant insight. Better phones...this is a very nice idea. I wonder if anyone has seriously considered the possibilities. The hardware world, at least with respect to IP phones, seems to be in a rut. Expect for G.722 I can't think of any significant improvement in recent times. Michael -- Michael Graves mgravesatmstvp.com o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mjgraves fwd 54245 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
You nailed it Randy! When an Asterisk appliance and associated phones can compete with a Panasonic KXTG-4000 (or similar) on terms including price, ease of use reliabilitythat's when Asterisk for every grandma, aunt, uncle counsins (who never finished high school) will be viable for the broader home/residential market. Hmmm - I have to think that the two markets will stay apart for a bit longer. Asterisk does some things well, some things not so well. And the same could be said for the Panasonic. The fact that the phones and the system are still very separate entities makes the break - the older phone systems are tightly integrated with their phones. It's back to me dealing with a purchasing manager at one of my old workplaces, who wanted a small laptop with a big screen. PaulH ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 11:33 +0100, Gergo Csibra wrote: Friday, December 14, 2007, 5:47:38 AM, Paul wrote: Umm - you could just buy a SPA-3000/3102/3666/etc. What is SPA-3666? The special red model. PaulH ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Windows is a half-baked, dying OS that in essence is a 32 bit extension and graphical shell, for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. Line of the year ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Dovid B wrote: Windows is a half-baked, dying OS that in essence is a 32 bit extension and graphical shell, for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. Line of the year That joke (truth) is an old one actually. Regards, Philipp Kempgen -- amooma GmbH - Bachstr. 126 - 56566 Neuwied - http://www.amooma.de Let's use IT to solve problems and not to create new ones. Asterisk? - http://www.das-asterisk-buch.de Geschäftsführer: Stefan Wintermeyer Handelsregister: Neuwied B 14998 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:30:09 +0100, randulo wrote: It's funny, but though I think nothing of having a linux box as a pbx, on 24/7 for years, I can't imagine using windows this way. I think there's little or no market for this whereas if there were a fanless, diskless embedded solution for just under $200 that came configured with the account (IAX or SIP and the proper provider) it would be a hit. For consumers, better to let them choose their own analog phone. For the teens, this adds their own line with unlimited dialing and international if needed. When appliances are down to this proce and they come pre-configured, plug it in, plug in a telephone and it works, that'll be the day this thing takes off. Even then, the market isn't huge. Maybe add in more intelligence in routing calls as an attraction. You nailed it Randy! When an Asterisk appliance and associated phones can compete with a Panasonic KXTG-4000 (or similar) on terms including price, ease of use reliabilitythat's when Asterisk for every grandma, aunt, uncle counsins (who never finished high school) will be viable for the broader home/residential market. Michael -- Michael Graves mgravesatmstvp.com o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mjgraves fwd 54245 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
For this market, people don't want anything complicated. I would imagine the software equivalent of a run-of-the-mill answering machine. Which has existed, in one form or another, for years. I was using a voice enabled faxmodem a decade ago to answer my phone. The software that came with it (don't remember the name, but WinFax also does/did this) even allowed for a simple IVR, for mailbox selection and whatnot. The only things it didn't do that asterisk does (and would be useful to the average Joe) was support multiple phones/extensions and send voicemail messages via email. I just don't see the consumer market opening up enough to make it worth the expense and hassle of writing/supporting Windows drivers. Digium is great at what they do - I wouldn't want them changing what they're doing now if it could impact the quality of their core products/drivers. St- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Which has existed, in one form or another, for years. I was using a voice enabled faxmodem a decade ago to answer my phone. The software that came with it (don't remember the name, but WinFax also does/did this) even allowed for a simple IVR, for mailbox selection and whatnot. The only things it didn't do that asterisk does (and would be useful to the average Joe) was support multiple phones/extensions and send voicemail messages via email. I think what you are looking for is named SuperVoice : http://www.supervoice.com/asp/products_supervoice_fax_products.asp I was using it to receive faxes and voicemail. It didn't email me my fax and/or voicemail but it would page me the number of faxes and voicemail I had everytime it received one or the other. The only problem I was having was that, since running on Win9x, sometime my phone line would stay busy and that would signal the time to go home and reboot the computer. Maybe some people would like Asterisk for windows, but I would not touch it with a ten foot pole :) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Friday, December 14, 2007, 5:47:38 AM, Paul wrote: Umm - you could just buy a SPA-3000/3102/3666/etc. What is SPA-3666? -- Best regards, Gergomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 02:55:39AM +0100, Vincent wrote: Hello I was wondering why there doesn't seem to a Windows version of Zaptel, making the Digium and its clones unavailable for a Windows PBX. Is the Zaptel/Zapata combo too *nix-centric? No. The current zaptel is Linux-centric. Everything else (Solaris, FreeBSD, OpenBSD (?), whatever) is maintained elsewhere. Zaptel provides basically 3 functions for Asterisk: * interface to telephony devices * A timing source for some operations * Mixing for Meetme. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:01:49 +0100, Vincent wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:50:28 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erm, there just might be, take a look at this...: Ah yeah, forgot about $angoma ;-) I'll restate this as: No card for home/SOHO use, ie. in the $50-100 range for the single FXO port model. There ya go. THE reason. There's no money in it. No motivation. Michael -- Michael Graves mgravesatmstvp.com o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mjgraves fwd 54245 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Doug wrote: At 19:55 12/13/2007, Vincent wrote: Hello I was wondering why there doesn't seem to a Windows version of Zaptel, making the Digium and its clones unavailable for a Windows PBX. Is the Zaptel/Zapata combo too *nix-centric? Thanks. Windows is a half-baked, dying OS that in essence is a 32 bit extension and graphical shell, for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. Nice. Do you really want to reboot your telephone system 3 times a day? I'm not a Windows basher as I make a good living from Windows based software, but I couldn't see it either. My asterisk box was rebooted about 3 months ago when I made some changes last. It's running Asterisk, FirebirdSQL, 1 FastAGI server and a lot of natively compiled AGI executables handling tech support, sales, caller id database lookups, nag calling, etc, etc. I have to reboot my desktop xp box daily for it to run well. -- Warm Regards, Lee If I don't see you around here, I'll see you around, hear? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
I'm a platform agnostic. I need to use a bit of everything in my daily work. I will say that my current XP desktop has been very reliable. It's not uncommon for it to stay up for a couple of weeks at at time without a reboot. My linux and FreeBSD systems routinely go months untouched. That said, consider the potential market size for people, the DIY sorts, who would have Asterisk in their homes. Very small. Hence there's little reason for someone to build hardware targeting that market and its economic sensibilities. Moving slightly up market into SMB space the cost of the Digium or Sangoma hardware is not a problem. And, after all, you get what you pay for in most cases. Michael Graves mgraves at mstvp.com o(713) 861-4005 c(713) 201-1262 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mjgraves FWD 54245 Original Message Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos? From: Lee Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, December 14, 2007 9:51 am To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Doug wrote: At 19:55 12/13/2007, Vincent wrote: Hello I was wondering why there doesn't seem to a Windows version of Zaptel, making the Digium and its clones unavailable for a Windows PBX. Is the Zaptel/Zapata combo too *nix-centric? Thanks. Windows is a half-baked, dying OS that in essence is a 32 bit extension and graphical shell, for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. Nice. Do you really want to reboot your telephone system 3 times a day? I'm not a Windows basher as I make a good living from Windows based software, but I couldn't see it either. My asterisk box was rebooted about 3 months ago when I made some changes last. It's running Asterisk, FirebirdSQL, 1 FastAGI server and a lot of natively compiled AGI executables handling tech support, sales, caller id database lookups, nag calling, etc, etc. I have to reboot my desktop xp box daily for it to run well. -- Warm Regards, Lee If I don't see you around here, I'll see you around, hear? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:47:38 +1100, Paul Hales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm - you could just buy a SPA-3000/3102/3666/etc. Thanks but I prefer PCI cards. Less cables, less power units that can burn, less mess :-) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:51:10 -0500, Lee Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to reboot my desktop xp box daily for it to run well. I haven't rebooted my XPSP2 in months, and I let it run 24/7, with a bunch of apps open at all times. And this is a 300E no-name box. If your PC is so unstable, you should investigate the hardware and/or the device drivers. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Vincent wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:51:10 -0500, Lee Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to reboot my desktop xp box daily for it to run well. I haven't rebooted my XPSP2 in months, and I let it run 24/7, with a bunch of apps open at all times. And this is a 300E no-name box. If your PC is so unstable, you should investigate the hardware and/or the device drivers. - http://www.debian.org/ SCNR Regards, Philipp Kempgen -- amooma GmbH - Bachstr. 126 - 56566 Neuwied - http://www.amooma.de Let's use IT to solve problems and not to create new ones. Asterisk? - http://www.das-asterisk-buch.de Geschäftsführer: Stefan Wintermeyer Handelsregister: Neuwied B 14998 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:30:46 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, consider the potential market size for people, the DIY sorts, who would have Asterisk in their homes. Precisely: The home/SOHO market is huge, and providing an IVR + PCI card combo for Windows for, say, $200, would probably be successful. Think families with teenagers, one-person businesses, etc. OTOH, having to run a separate PC just to handle calls from a single POST line AND having to install Linux + Asterisk on this thing... It'd have to be an appliance (which I haven't seen avaiable in this price range). ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Friday 14 December 2007 14:43, Vincent wrote: OTOH, having to run a separate PC just to handle calls from a single POST line AND having to install Linux + Asterisk on this thing... It'd have to be an appliance (which I haven't seen avaiable in this price range). Didn't you just define an ATA device ? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 20:38 +0100, Vincent wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:51:10 -0500, Lee Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to reboot my desktop xp box daily for it to run well. I haven't rebooted my XPSP2 in months, I also have no problem with the stability of Windows XP whatsoever... The dvd-box that came with my pc is still unopened somewhere in my cubboard. hw ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 22:21 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Thursday 13 December 2007 19:55:39 Vincent wrote: I was wondering why there doesn't seem to a Windows version of Zaptel, making the Digium and its clones unavailable for a Windows PBX. Because nobody has done it yet. The real answer is probably more along the lines of that there's no competant Windows device driver programmer who would be willing to expend the necessary effort to port the driver, for free. I'm sure that technically, it's possible, although certain assumptions that were made when developing zaptel may not be true when it comes to Windows. It is likely to be a very strenuous job to port the framework and all of the drivers. A competant windows device driver programmer. Isn't that a contradictio in terminis? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:43:05 +0100, Vincent wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:30:46 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, consider the potential market size for people, the DIY sorts, who would have Asterisk in their homes. Precisely: The home/SOHO market is huge, and providing an IVR + PCI card combo for Windows for, say, $200, would probably be successful. Think families with teenagers, one-person businesses, etc. Yes, the market is potentially huge...for a packaged solution. Not likely so huge for the kind of geeky DIY approach that Asterisk entails. OTOH, having to run a separate PC just to handle calls from a single POST line AND having to install Linux + Asterisk on this thing... It'd have to be an appliance (which I haven't seen avaiable in this price range). There is such thing a minimum critical mass in pricing. That is, you have to provide support which has a cost. You can't sell for a very low price and remain viable while covering the cost of the support. The more deeply technical the product the more involved, and costly, the support. What sort of numbers is Digium doing with the TDM-400? Could they afford to sell it for half its current price and still offer a suitable level of support? I think not. Is there any way to reduce the amount of support required? Not with Asterisk/Zaptel in their present form. Michael -- Michael Graves mgravesatmstvp.com o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] skype mjgraves fwd 54245 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 06:01:49AM +0100, Vincent wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:50:28 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erm, there just might be, take a look at this...: Ah yeah, forgot about $angoma ;-) I'll restate this as: No card for home/SOHO use, ie. in the $50-100 range for the single FXO port model. The hardware is there. Not optimal, but then again, you get what you paid for: many computers have a modem. This is the basic hardware needed for an FXO adapter. Writing decent drivers for it (for Zaptel or whatever channel driver) is not trivial. Maybe even getting the specs for the hardware is not trivial. But this is how the first FXO card for Asterisk was written. Now you actually have drivers (of other OSes) for other hardware types. So you basically have the specs. Thus if nobody writes this it probably means nobody needs this bad enough. (And please don't reply that *you* need it or that you know someone who needs it. Reply by coming up with the drivers and proving all of us nay-sayers wrong) HTH -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:34:04 -0600, Michael Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, the market is potentially huge...for a packaged solution. If all it takes in plugging the PCi card in their PC, and running setup.exe, it's no worse than installing a printer. I would imagine that the standard install has them go through a quick wizard to customize the welcome message to the IVR, and they're in business. There is such thing a minimum critical mass in pricing. That is, you have to provide support which has a cost. Support is a function of 1) the quality of the product, and 2) the technical level required to install and run it. For this market, people don't want anything complicated. I would imagine the software equivalent of a run-of-the-mill answering machine. Is there any way to reduce the amount of support required? Not with Asterisk/Zaptel in their present form. AsteriskWin32 isn't really updated, so I guess either no entrepreneur thinks there's a market for a small, Windows-based PBX, or Asterisk is just too *nix-centric to run reliably on Windows. But then, there are PBX apps for Windows, so it's too bad no device driver is available for PCI cards: - Axon - Brekeke (Java, yuck) - Freeswitch (when they get around to actually compile and add it to the site...) - 3CX - Yate - miniSipServer ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
It's funny, but though I think nothing of having a linux box as a pbx, on 24/7 for years, I can't imagine using windows this way. I think there's little or no market for this whereas if there were a fanless, diskless embedded solution for just under $200 that came configured with the account (IAX or SIP and the proper provider) it would be a hit. For consumers, better to let them choose their own analog phone. For the teens, this adds their own line with unlimited dialing and international if needed. When appliances are down to this proce and they come pre-configured, plug it in, plug in a telephone and it works, that'll be the day this thing takes off. Even then, the market isn't huge. Maybe add in more intelligence in routing calls as an attraction. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
At 19:55 12/13/2007, Vincent wrote: Hello I was wondering why there doesn't seem to a Windows version of Zaptel, making the Digium and its clones unavailable for a Windows PBX. Is the Zaptel/Zapata combo too *nix-centric? Thanks. Windows is a half-baked, dying OS that in essence is a 32 bit extension and graphical shell, for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. Do you really want to reboot your telephone system 3 times a day? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Doug wrote: At 19:55 12/13/2007, Vincent wrote: Hello I was wondering why there doesn't seem to a Windows version of Zaptel, making the Digium and its clones unavailable for a Windows PBX. Is the Zaptel/Zapata combo too *nix-centric? Thanks. Windows is a half-baked, dying OS that in essence is a 32 bit extension and graphical shell, for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. Oh Boy! that is very .sig worthy! Consider it stolen! Do you really want to reboot your telephone system 3 times a day? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Doug wrote: At 19:55 12/13/2007, Vincent wrote: Hello I was wondering why there doesn't seem to a Windows version of Zaptel, making the Digium and its clones unavailable for a Windows PBX. Is the Zaptel/Zapata combo too *nix-centric? Thanks. Windows is a half-baked, dying OS that in essence is a 32 bit extension and graphical shell, for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. Do you really want to reboot your telephone system 3 times a day? And yet... the next time you turn on CNN and see Tomahawk missiles coming out of the vertical launch tubes of an Aegis class DDG (guided missile destroyer)... well, keep in mind that the Fire Control System is running a stripped down NT4 kernel. (It might be NT5 or 6 by now... my information is a little old on this particular subject. Then again, knowing how DoD certification works, it might not have budged at all.) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Thursday 13 December 2007 19:55:39 Vincent wrote: I was wondering why there doesn't seem to a Windows version of Zaptel, making the Digium and its clones unavailable for a Windows PBX. Because nobody has done it yet. The real answer is probably more along the lines of that there's no competant Windows device driver programmer who would be willing to expend the necessary effort to port the driver, for free. I'm sure that technically, it's possible, although certain assumptions that were made when developing zaptel may not be true when it comes to Windows. It is likely to be a very strenuous job to port the framework and all of the drivers. -- Tilghman ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:21:50 -0600, Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is likely to be a very strenuous job to port the framework and all of the drivers. Too bad, because there doesn't seem to be any PCI card for FXO/FXS available for Windows. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Vincent wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:21:50 -0600, Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is likely to be a very strenuous job to port the framework and all of the drivers. Too bad, because there doesn't seem to be any PCI card for FXO/FXS available for Windows. Erm, there just might be, take a look at this...: http://www.sangoma.com/pdf_datasheets/a200-specs.pdf ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:50:28 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erm, there just might be, take a look at this...: Ah yeah, forgot about $angoma ;-) I'll restate this as: No card for home/SOHO use, ie. in the $50-100 range for the single FXO port model. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Thursday 13 December 2007 19:55:39 Vincent wrote: I was wondering why there doesn't seem to a Windows version of Zaptel, making the Digium and its clones unavailable for a Windows PBX. Because nobody has done it yet. The real answer is probably more along the lines of that there's no competant Windows device driver programmer who would be willing to expend the necessary effort to port the driver, for free. I'm sure that technically, it's possible, although certain assumptions that were made when developing zaptel may not be true when it comes to Windows. It is likely to be a very strenuous job to port the framework and all of the drivers. What drivers do you need to run in a purely SIP mode? zt_dummy for timing? What else? -Philip ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Zaptel] Why no port to Windos?
Umm - you could just buy a SPA-3000/3102/3666/etc. PaulH On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 05:36 +0100, Vincent wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:21:50 -0600, Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is likely to be a very strenuous job to port the framework and all of the drivers. Too bad, because there doesn't seem to be any PCI card for FXO/FXS available for Windows. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
