Re: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
Hi guys, We are using AudioCodes, but still looking an alternative a cheaper one for our expansion. We are currenly running 4x24-ports FXS VoIP Gateway with 2 Asterisk Server each server has Dual-Port Card interfaced with E1 PRI ISDN to PSTN and E1 MFC/R2 to PABX. Our E1 ISDNs to PSTN are already 30-day working, I am still working for the interconnection to MFC/R2 PABX and its been a month doing some trial and error thing. I was able to compiled those libraries but still getting some protocol error when calls are made. Once am able to make this run we'll push through with the expansion to our branch. Can this TDMoE able to call each other (phones) within a single 24-ports without pass-through Asterisk? Like calling each other within the branch. It will only pass through the Asterisk when a call made to an inter-branch or going to Main Office. Or in other word, can I use TDMoE without Asterisk? Regards. Angel - Original Message From: Zoa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 2:21:37 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules Interesting product, I didn't know about this one until just now. I've heard that TDMoE is more trouble than it's worth, though, and may eventually be phased out of Asterisk. Can anyone from Digium give some more information or suggestions? -A. I'm not from digium but am the proud owner of a preproduction sample of the spidermux, i also took it to Astricon Dallas. (they are already being produced but are not being sold yet). The TDMoE implementation in asterisk works, but is not used by a lot of people or hardware yet, so it needs some work (Especially to make it work with recent kernels). I know the spidermux people already have a bunch of patches ready to be released to fix the issues that exist now. I've never heard something about tdmoe being phased out of asterisk. Zoa. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
Take a look at Channel Banks On 11/30/06, Vieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to find out the best way to replace one of our hardware PBXs. It currently has 200+ analog phones connected to it. The idea is to take advantage of the already installed phone cables (big building) so I'm trying to avoid the use of ethernet adapters (if possible). However, I'm realizing that it's an expensive setup and will definitely require two or more cooperating Asterisk servers (cluster) mainly due to PCI slot availability. I am aware of the TDM2400P card. One could put 6 FXS uqad-modules and would serve 24 analog phones. However, I would need at least 9 of these PCI cards which could be placed in 2 or 3 servers. Is there another way of doing this (hopefully cheaper and more convenient)? Thank you for your suggestions. Vieri ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
On nov/30/2006, Vieri wrote: Is there another way of doing this (hopefully cheaper and more convenient)? VoIP Gateways with 48 FXS ports. -- Paco Brufal[EMAIL PROTECTED] ServiTux Servicios Informáticos S.L. Tel. 966 160 600 / Fax. 966 160 601 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
I think It would be cheaper to use dedicated VoIP PSTN Gateways, such as audiocodes or similar (audiocodes is actually a bad example, as their not that cheap). But dedicated ATA hardware with 24 or more ports. Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vieri Sent: 30. november 2006 10:15 To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules I am trying to find out the best way to replace one of our hardware PBXs. It currently has 200+ analog phones connected to it. The idea is to take advantage of the already installed phone cables (big building) so I'm trying to avoid the use of ethernet adapters (if possible). However, I'm realizing that it's an expensive setup and will definitely require two or more cooperating Asterisk servers (cluster) mainly due to PCI slot availability. I am aware of the TDM2400P card. One could put 6 FXS uqad-modules and would serve 24 analog phones. However, I would need at least 9 of these PCI cards which could be placed in 2 or 3 servers. Is there another way of doing this (hopefully cheaper and more convenient)? Thank you for your suggestions. Vieri Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
You could put at least two Rhino quad t1 cards and that would give you 8 times 24 ports and I heard of one with those cards plus a dual t1 card which is 240 extensions on one server. this would take up 3 pci slots. on Thursday 11/30/2006 Jon Schøpzinsky([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote I think It would be cheaper to use dedicated VoIP PSTN Gateways, such as audiocodes or similar (audiocodes is actually a bad example, as their not that cheap). But dedicated ATA hardware with 24 or more ports. Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vieri Sent: 30. november 2006 10:15 To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules I am trying to find out the best way to replace one of our hardware PBXs. It currently has 200+ analog phones connected to it. The idea is to take advantage of the already installed phone cables (big building) so I'm trying to avoid the use of ethernet adapters (if possible). However, I'm realizing that it's an expensive setup and will definitely require two or more cooperating Asterisk servers (cluster) mainly due to PCI slot availability. I am aware of the TDM2400P card. One could put 6 FXS uqad-modules and would serve 24 analog phones. However, I would need at least 9 of these PCI cards which could be placed in 2 or 3 servers. Is there another way of doing this (hopefully cheaper and more convenient)? Thank you for your suggestions. Vieri Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
I would just guess that the PCI bus would be pretty busy, with 3 T1 cards. Couldn't that be a problem? Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John covici Sent: 30. november 2006 12:07 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules You could put at least two Rhino quad t1 cards and that would give you 8 times 24 ports and I heard of one with those cards plus a dual t1 card which is 240 extensions on one server. this would take up 3 pci slots. on Thursday 11/30/2006 Jon Schøpzinsky([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote I think It would be cheaper to use dedicated VoIP PSTN Gateways, such as audiocodes or similar (audiocodes is actually a bad example, as their not that cheap). But dedicated ATA hardware with 24 or more ports. Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vieri Sent: 30. november 2006 10:15 To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules I am trying to find out the best way to replace one of our hardware PBXs. It currently has 200+ analog phones connected to it. The idea is to take advantage of the already installed phone cables (big building) so I'm trying to avoid the use of ethernet adapters (if possible). However, I'm realizing that it's an expensive setup and will definitely require two or more cooperating Asterisk servers (cluster) mainly due to PCI slot availability. I am aware of the TDM2400P card. One could put 6 FXS uqad-modules and would serve 24 analog phones. However, I would need at least 9 of these PCI cards which could be placed in 2 or 3 servers. Is there another way of doing this (hopefully cheaper and more convenient)? Thank you for your suggestions. Vieri Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
You could go for 2 quad pri cards + channel banks or for TDMoE or usb channel banks. The last option would be the cheaper and more scalable one imho www.spidermux.org www.xorcom.com Joachim John covici wrote: You could put at least two Rhino quad t1 cards and that would give you 8 times 24 ports and I heard of one with those cards plus a dual t1 card which is 240 extensions on one server. this would take up 3 pci slots. on Thursday 11/30/2006 Jon Schøpzinsky([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote I think It would be cheaper to use dedicated VoIP PSTN Gateways, such as audiocodes or similar (audiocodes is actually a bad example, as their not that cheap). But dedicated ATA hardware with 24 or more ports. Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vieri Sent: 30. november 2006 10:15 To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules I am trying to find out the best way to replace one of our hardware PBXs. It currently has 200+ analog phones connected to it. The idea is to take advantage of the already installed phone cables (big building) so I'm trying to avoid the use of ethernet adapters (if possible). However, I'm realizing that it's an expensive setup and will definitely require two or more cooperating Asterisk servers (cluster) mainly due to PCI slot availability. I am aware of the TDM2400P card. One could put 6 FXS uqad-modules and would serve 24 analog phones. However, I would need at least 9 of these PCI cards which could be placed in 2 or 3 servers. Is there another way of doing this (hopefully cheaper and more convenient)? Thank you for your suggestions. Vieri Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
rhino tells me no, they have a computer you can buy on which they have tested such things. I don't have this myself, however. on Thursday 11/30/2006 Jon Schøpzinsky([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote I would just guess that the PCI bus would be pretty busy, with 3 T1 cards. Couldn't that be a problem? Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John covici Sent: 30. november 2006 12:07 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules You could put at least two Rhino quad t1 cards and that would give you 8 times 24 ports and I heard of one with those cards plus a dual t1 card which is 240 extensions on one server. this would take up 3 pci slots. on Thursday 11/30/2006 Jon Schøpzinsky([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote I think It would be cheaper to use dedicated VoIP PSTN Gateways, such as audiocodes or similar (audiocodes is actually a bad example, as their not that cheap). But dedicated ATA hardware with 24 or more ports. Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vieri Sent: 30. november 2006 10:15 To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules I am trying to find out the best way to replace one of our hardware PBXs. It currently has 200+ analog phones connected to it. The idea is to take advantage of the already installed phone cables (big building) so I'm trying to avoid the use of ethernet adapters (if possible). However, I'm realizing that it's an expensive setup and will definitely require two or more cooperating Asterisk servers (cluster) mainly due to PCI slot availability. I am aware of the TDM2400P card. One could put 6 FXS uqad-modules and would serve 24 analog phones. However, I would need at least 9 of these PCI cards which could be placed in 2 or 3 servers. Is there another way of doing this (hopefully cheaper and more convenient)? Thank you for your suggestions. Vieri Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
Or you could use a couple of these boxes: http://www.xorcom.com/astribank/features-32.html On 11/30/06, Vieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to find out the best way to replace one of our hardware PBXs. It currently has 200+ analog phones connected to it. The idea is to take advantage of the already installed phone cables (big building) so I'm trying to avoid the use of ethernet adapters (if possible). However, I'm realizing that it's an expensive setup and will definitely require two or more cooperating Asterisk servers (cluster) mainly due to PCI slot availability. I am aware of the TDM2400P card. One could put 6 FXS uqad-modules and would serve 24 analog phones. However, I would need at least 9 of these PCI cards which could be placed in 2 or 3 servers. Is there another way of doing this (hopefully cheaper and more convenient)? Thank you for your suggestions. Vieri Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
On Thursday 30 November 2006 06:13, Zoa wrote: You could go for 2 quad pri cards + channel banks or for TDMoE or usb channel banks. The last option would be the cheaper and more scalable one imho The scale here is already bordering on unrealistic. I wouldn't expect them to want to make this too much bigger. Scaling aside, 200+ ulaw channels (13Mb/sec not including overhead) over USB? You're joking, right? I know that USB 2.0 is rated at 480Mbps but has this actually been tested and verified? I would imagine USB 2.0 chipset variants and inconsistencies are even worse than that of PCI. And individual RJ11 jacks? I'd strongly suggest the dual TE407P with channel banks. D50 connection, hardware echo cancel/dtmf/etc. Offload all transcoding to another box or set of boxes. You can even use cheapass Carrier Access Access Bank I or IIs off of ebay (sub-$100 range), as this is FXS and you don't need CPD. www.spidermux.org Interesting product, I didn't know about this one until just now. I've heard that TDMoE is more trouble than it's worth, though, and may eventually be phased out of Asterisk. Can anyone from Digium give some more information or suggestions? -A. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
Interesting product, I didn't know about this one until just now. I've heard that TDMoE is more trouble than it's worth, though, and may eventually be phased out of Asterisk. Can anyone from Digium give some more information or suggestions? -A. I'm not from digium but am the proud owner of a preproduction sample of the spidermux, i also took it to Astricon Dallas. (they are already being produced but are not being sold yet). The TDMoE implementation in asterisk works, but is not used by a lot of people or hardware yet, so it needs some work (Especially to make it work with recent kernels). I know the spidermux people already have a bunch of patches ready to be released to fix the issues that exist now. I've never heard something about tdmoe being phased out of asterisk. Zoa. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
Hi On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 12:59:13PM -0500, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Thursday 30 November 2006 06:13, Zoa wrote: You could go for 2 quad pri cards + channel banks or for TDMoE or usb channel banks. [ disclaimer: I work for the company that makes the USB channel bank which was mentioned by Zoa ] The last option would be the cheaper and more scalable one imho The scale here is already bordering on unrealistic. I wouldn't expect them to want to make this too much bigger. Scaling aside, 200+ ulaw channels (13Mb/sec not including overhead) over USB? You're joking, right? I know that USB 2.0 is rated at 480Mbps but has this actually been tested and verified? I would imagine USB 2.0 chipset variants and inconsistencies are even worse than that of PCI. USB2 actually seems to be a well-established standard. It is used by many devices. For instance, people with high-capacity USB storage devices would be rather upset to find their chipset acting up. And if one USB2 card is not enough, get a USB2 PCI adapter for 10$ from your local hardware store. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +972-50-7952406 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xorcom.com iax:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tzafrir ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
You can get a basic VOIP phone for the same price that it will cost you for a FXS port. As far as wiring you can go with a bit more expensive phone and get a dual port with POE (if they have an existing computer network). - Original Message - From: Vieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules I am trying to find out the best way to replace one of our hardware PBXs. It currently has 200+ analog phones connected to it. The idea is to take advantage of the already installed phone cables (big building) so I'm trying to avoid the use of ethernet adapters (if possible). However, I'm realizing that it's an expensive setup and will definitely require two or more cooperating Asterisk servers (cluster) mainly due to PCI slot availability. I am aware of the TDM2400P card. One could put 6 FXS uqad-modules and would serve 24 analog phones. However, I would need at least 9 of these PCI cards which could be placed in 2 or 3 servers. Is there another way of doing this (hopefully cheaper and more convenient)? Thank you for your suggestions. Vieri Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules
- Original Message - From: Vieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: [asterisk-users] 200+ analog phones connected to FXS modules I am trying to find out the best way to replace one of our hardware PBXs. It currently has 200+ analog phones connected to it. The idea is to take advantage of the already installed phone cables (big building) --- Dovid B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can get a basic VOIP phone for the same price that it will cost you for a FXS port. As far as wiring you can go with a bit more expensive phone and get a dual port with POE (if they have an existing computer network). It all depends. http://www.icstel.com has an interesting product. It'a a 48-FXS-port VoIP gateway (product name TopGate). It interfaces with the Asterisk server through ethernet so it looks better than other solutions posted on this list (such as the USB2 product Astribank from Xorcom http://www.xorcom.com/astribank/features-32.html). Mainly because I trust a gigabit ethernet more than USB2 on Linux. Unfortunately there isn't much information on the 48-port TopGate product. So as far as prices are concerned, I found that a 48-port TopGate should cost at most 2500 euros with vat. With 4 of these we could handle 192 of our analog phones. The total cost would be 1 . A basic IP phone costs 80 euros (hard to find a cheaper and still decent phone). So the cost would be 192 * 80 = 15360 euros. 5360 euros is a 50+% increase. And besides we already have the phone cabling infrastructure set and it would be too bad if we couldn't recycle it somehow. However, I don't know if these VoIP gateways are really effective. Has anyone already used something similar? Thanks Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
