Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
_ From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Sevana Oy Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:40 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World? Hi, Sorry for maybe not a very list related topic, but I have always been curious if there is information on how many Asterisk based PBXs are operating Worldwide? Thanks and hope the community will not reject my curiosity! :) Best Regards, Vallu Sevana Oy There is probably not a reliable answer to this question since there are at least 4 major flavors of Asterisk out there (1.0/1.2, 1.4, 1.6, 1.8) and open and commercial source. It is reliably 10,000 and quite possibly over 100,000 or even over 1 million. The asterisk folks might be willing to tell you how many downloads have been done from www.asterisk.org http://www.asterisk.org/ , but that wouldnt tell you the real number. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
2010/11/17 Sevana Oy sa...@sevana.fi: Hi, Sorry for maybe not a very list related topic, but I have always been curious if there is information on how many Asterisk based PBXs are operating Worldwide? Thanks and hope the community will not reject my curiosity! :) Best Regards, Vallu Sevana Oy -- John Todd should have a good answer for this. I would start my estimate at 200,000+ if you are including all of the versions and types. Software like BigBlueButton includes Asterisk so it can get confusing real fast. ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com * Learn more about OSS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software * Learn more about Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux * Learn more about Tux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/17 Sevana Oy sa...@sevana.fi: Hi, Sorry for maybe not a very list related topic, but I have always been curious if there is information on how many Asterisk based PBXs are operating Worldwide? Thanks and hope the community will not reject my curiosity! :) Best Regards, Vallu Sevana Oy -- John Todd should have a good answer for this. I would start my estimate at 200,000+ if you are including all of the versions and types. Software like BigBlueButton includes Asterisk so it can get confusing real fast. How do you figure this number? I would suspect is a lot higher, especially if you consider just Digium sales in the equation. ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com * Learn more about OSS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software * Learn more about Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux * Learn more about Tux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
Thanks! What I managed to learn from one article is: Asterisk PBX has about 18% of the World market share of PBXs. Asterisk claims 75% of the World market share for Open Source PBXs. (source: http://www.asteriskexpert.co.uk/about-asterisk.php) This must be quite a lot I believe, and I do agree amount of downloads does not show the picture I tend to see. Thank you! - Original Message - From: Danny Nicholas To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World? -- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Sevana Oy Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:40 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World? Hi, Sorry for maybe not a very list related topic, but I have always been curious if there is information on how many Asterisk based PBXs are operating Worldwide? Thanks and hope the community will not reject my curiosity! :) Best Regards, Vallu Sevana Oy There is probably not a reliable answer to this question since there are at least 4 major flavors of Asterisk out there (1.0/1.2, 1.4, 1.6, 1.8) and open and commercial source. It is reliably 10,000 and quite possibly over 100,000 or even over 1 million. The asterisk folks might be willing to tell you how many downloads have been done from www.asterisk.org, but that wouldn't tell you the real number. -- -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
Am 17.11.2010 18:06, schrieb Andrew Latham: John Todd should have a good answer for this. I would start my estimate at 200,000+ if you are including all of the versions and types. Software like BigBlueButton includes Asterisk so it can get confusing real fast. ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com * Learn more about OSS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software * Learn more about Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux * Learn more about Tux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux have a look at the keynote from astricon this year where Kevin Fleming said there is around 1 million servers running asterisk out there and about 2,2 million downloads from asterisk.org this year. btw its used in 169 countries of the world as digium can verify. http://blogs.digium.com/2010/11/11/astricon-2010-keynote-the-future-of-open-source-communications/ best regards stefan -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/17 Sevana Oy sa...@sevana.fi: Hi, Sorry for maybe not a very list related topic, but I have always been curious if there is information on how many Asterisk based PBXs are operating Worldwide? Thanks and hope the community will not reject my curiosity! :) Best Regards, Vallu Sevana Oy -- John Todd should have a good answer for this. I would start my estimate at 200,000+ if you are including all of the versions and types. Software like BigBlueButton includes Asterisk so it can get confusing real fast. How do you figure this number? I would suspect is a lot higher, especially if you consider just Digium sales in the equation. Just to complement some links we may all find interesting in figuring this out 1) http://www.nojitter.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219401206 From this article, 2009 shipments were 5.5 million units. It also talks about others having 2-3% of this market share. In a rough calculation that is 165 thousand units for the other in 2009 alone. Say that Digium has 3% of the Other market share that's about 5K units for Digium alone in 2009. The article also estimates that OSS provides comprise about 10% of the overall Others share so that alone is 16.5 (this would include the 5K digium Units). Asterisk and Digium were founded circa 1999 and if the Digium sales have been doubling yearly as Digium states on their web page, and we assume that other Asterisk-based telephony systems overall have experience similar growths, collectively they may have sold say 32 thousand units in 10 years, + 2010 sales that would probably be closer to 50K by today. This is probably a low number IMHO, but a good pessimist starting point. So say that for every box sold, there a 3 Asterisks running on custom setups, it totals about 150K total asterisks running. If you accept the number to be 5 per every unit sold, then it 225K. In any case, these numbers tend to agree with the 200K figure provided by Andrew Latham. Of course, my analysis is very crude but I leads me to agree with the number provided by Andrew based on this sole study. 2) http://www.asteriskexpert.co.uk/about-asterisk.php This article states 18% of the _overall market_ and Asterisk being 75% of that. They make no mention of how the reached that number, in fact provide no numbers at all, and if those numbers are product sales or total systems (including non-product custom Asterisk set-ups). So we really can't use the sales figures above as any reference to calculate anything, but if we did, we would wind up with about 2.2 millions Asterisks that when divided by 5 (just for the sake of trying to factor the product/download logic above) we come up with 440,000 Asterisks units running. 3) http://www.telephonyworld.com/news/open-source-pbx-market-growth-fueled-by-repeat-sales/ This report mentions that 18% of OSS-based PBX the overall _PBX market_ (not differentiating from tradiciotnal or IP-based PBX market) and it came from the Eastern management Group a credible source in the area. I'm curious on why asteriskexpert.com failed to cite the source, unless they came up with the same conclusions on their own. Anyway, if Asterisk truly 13.5% of the overall PBX market, then the numbers are much higher than the 200K conservative estimate above. 4) http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+IP+PBX+Market+is+Predicted+to+Triple+and+Reach+$19.5+Billion+by...-a0142975350 This link mentions that the IP PBX market will be around 19.5 Billion for to 2011, so even the most conservative estimates on Asterisk have to be quite high. My estimate: Although the Linux counter is not a fully reliable source, say that the 29 million user is conservative, just for the sake of argument. Security Space survey in August 2009 checked 38,549,333 publicly accessible Web servers, and they states that roughly 80% were Linux and FBSD (75/5 respectively). I personally think that there must be at least 50 million Linux/FBSD machines in the world in use today, easily (maybe even double that). If 1% of the servers use Asterisk that would be 500K. With the numbers above, I think it must be between 300 and 500K. Best, Alejandro Imass -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Sevana Oy wrote: Sorry for maybe not a very list related topic, but I have always been curious if there is information on how many Asterisk based PBXs are operating Worldwide? Counting any open source package is difficult for many reasons. Getting a reasonably accurate count would not be that difficult, but everybody is so paranoid about anybody knowing anything about them and what they do. Just to explore member's opinions, would you object to a 'curl' request in the script that starts Asterisk that sends your MAC address and Asterisk version number to Asterisk.org? Not tracking your IP address or any other identifying information, just the MAC and cheese. Being Open Source, you can see exactly what is being sent and could always 'opt-out.' What 'competitive advantage' would someone have over you just knowing that Asterisk was started on a box owned by someone, somewhere? Would you see it as a 'security issue?' Some really useful information could be gathered and displayed like: ) 'Popularity' of different versions. ) Average time between restarts by version number. ) Ratio of starts to stops by version number. (The difference between starts and stops could be an indicator crashes.) What other information would you be willing to share? TDM capacity? Maximum simultaneous call count? If 'giving up' a little anonymous information was the 'cost' of using Asterisk, sign me up. I'm curious how many Windows software packages 'phone home' either without permission or with the permission granted somewhere in the silly EULA that nobody reads. Am I missing something really obvious? -- Thanks in advance, - Steve Edwards sedwa...@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
-Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Edwards Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:45 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World? On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Sevana Oy wrote: Sorry for maybe not a very list related topic, but I have always been curious if there is information on how many Asterisk based PBXs are operating Worldwide? Counting any open source package is difficult for many reasons. Getting a reasonably accurate count would not be that difficult, but everybody is so paranoid about anybody knowing anything about them and what they do. Just to explore member's opinions, would you object to a 'curl' request in the script that starts Asterisk that sends your MAC address and Asterisk version number to Asterisk.org? Not tracking your IP address or any other identifying information, just the MAC and cheese. Being Open Source, you can see exactly what is being sent and could always 'opt-out.' What 'competitive advantage' would someone have over you just knowing that Asterisk was started on a box owned by someone, somewhere? Would you see it as a 'security issue?' Some really useful information could be gathered and displayed like: ) 'Popularity' of different versions. ) Average time between restarts by version number. ) Ratio of starts to stops by version number. (The difference between starts and stops could be an indicator crashes.) What other information would you be willing to share? TDM capacity? Maximum simultaneous call count? If 'giving up' a little anonymous information was the 'cost' of using Asterisk, sign me up. I'm curious how many Windows software packages 'phone home' either without permission or with the permission granted somewhere in the silly EULA that nobody reads. Am I missing something really obvious? Wouldn't apply to you, Steve, but sooner or later somebody will probably imbed an innocuous phone-home into one of the Asterisk modules and it will take a C person like yourself to point out the Microsoft-ness of this snippet. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Edwards Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:45 PM Would you object to a 'curl' request in the script that starts Asterisk that sends your MAC address and Asterisk version number to Asterisk.org? Not tracking your IP address or any other identifying information, just the MAC and cheese. On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Danny Nicholas wrote: Wouldn't apply to you, Steve, but sooner or later somebody will probably imbed an innocuous phone-home into one of the Asterisk modules and it will take a C person like yourself to point out the Microsoft-ness of this snippet. Isn't it odd that we (I?) assume Windows packages do it, but would find it offensive if an OSS did it without warning. -- Thanks in advance, - Steve Edwards sedwa...@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
Wouldn't apply to you, Steve, but sooner or later somebody will probably imbed an innocuous phone-home into one of the Asterisk modules and it will take a C person like yourself to point out the Microsoft-ness of this snippet. How many people actually allow their primary PBXes to touch the Internet? Just curious as it sound funny to me. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
-Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Latham Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:04 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World? Wouldn't apply to you, Steve, but sooner or later somebody will probably imbed an innocuous phone-home into one of the Asterisk modules and it will take a C person like yourself to point out the Microsoft-ness of this snippet. How many people actually allow their primary PBXes to touch the Internet? Just curious as it sound funny to me. That would unfortunately be 90+% of folks using SIP trunks - unknown percentage of others but how else do they load/update their Linux? Burning CD/DVD's and/or sneakernet? -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Andrew Latham wrote: How many people actually allow their primary PBXes to touch the Internet? Just curious as it sound funny to me. All of mine. How do you support remote clients? Even if I can't directly 'touch' the box (firewall, VPN), my 'standard configuration' runs a daily script that emails a tarball of the current configuration to me. -- Thanks in advance, - Steve Edwards sedwa...@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST Newline Fax: +1-760-731-3000 -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
Andrew Latham wrote: Wouldn't apply to you, Steve, but sooner or later somebody will probably imbed an innocuous phone-home into one of the Asterisk modules and it will take a C person like yourself to point out the Microsoft-ness of this snippet. How many people actually allow their primary PBXes to touch the Internet? Just curious as it sound funny to me. We don't. Firewall rules are modified when updates are needed. But, we only use it internally and our remote sites are via OpenVPN over IAX2 over via PRI. Doug -- Ben Franklin quote: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't apply to you, Steve, but sooner or later somebody will probably imbed an innocuous phone-home into one of the Asterisk modules and it will take a C person like yourself to point out the Microsoft-ness of this snippet. How many people actually allow their primary PBXes to touch the Internet? Just curious as it sound funny to me. All of ours. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] How many Asterisk PBX operating in the World?
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Andrew Latham wrote: Wouldn't apply to you, Steve, but sooner or later somebody will probably imbed an innocuous phone-home into one of the Asterisk modules and it will take a C person like yourself to point out the Microsoft-ness of this snippet. How many people actually allow their primary PBXes to touch the Internet? Just curious as it sound funny to me. I had a small number of clients in the early days who did not have global Internet connectivity. They ran their own private network, but it wasn't connected physically to the global Internet. No issues with upgrading as they never needed upgrading. Big hassle with the HPEC licensing which is why I lost that customer then moved to OSLEC. Gordon -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
