Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
There is a commercial list! Sorry about that Nick. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-usersChristian Savinovich Telecom Telephony Consulting 646.982.3572 c.savinov...@itntelecom.com-- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the relaiable service, and aggressive pricing comes to meet? Guys please share your experiences. Cheers, Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich c.savinov...@itntelecom.com wrote: In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Christian Savinovich Telecom Telephony Consulting 646.982.3572 c.savinov...@itntelecom.com -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
They aren't everywhere, but we have had good experience with Voicepulse and their rate is typically less than $0.015 per minute. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the relaiable service, and aggressive pricing comes to meet? Guys please share your experiences. Cheers, Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich c.savinov...@itntelecom.com wrote: In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Christian Savinovich Telecom Telephony Consulting 646.982.3572 c.savinov...@itntelecom.com -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
for some reason i don't think (unlimited incoming channels) fits with (dirt cheap DIDs) as you will be abusing their network .. they should start charging per minute .. or you should pay for extra channels several DID providers would offer you 20 channels per did at some rate of 9$ a month per did.. 5 Euros per month and you should pay Extra for Extra channels.. could be the same amount for the same amount of channels Tarek Sawah Information Technology Adviser Integrated Digital Systems CCNP, MCSE, RHCE, TELECOM USA: +1 386 492 9993 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:09:10 -0400 From: sym...@gmail.com To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the relaiable service, and aggressive pricing comes to meet? Guys please share your experiences. Cheers, Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich c.savinov...@itntelecom.com wrote: In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Christian Savinovich Telecom Telephony Consulting 646.982.3572 c.savinov...@itntelecom.com -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
I should have mentioned we are interested in international long distance. That will be a big part of our business. Cheers, Nick. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: They aren't everywhere, but we have had good experience with Voicepulse and their rate is typically less than $0.015 per minute. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the relaiable service, and aggressive pricing comes to meet? Guys please share your experiences. Cheers, Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich c.savinov...@itntelecom.com wrote: In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Christian Savinovich Telecom Telephony Consulting 646.982.3572 c.savinov...@itntelecom.com -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
What does (international long) mean exactly? are you a calling cards company? if so you should look for some company that will be charging you like 0.004 Cents per minute.. and you can find companies that will add more channels to your DID. Tarek Sawah Information Technology Adviser Integrated Digital Systems CCNP, MCSE, RHCE, TELECOM USA: +1 386 492 9993 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:15:13 -0400 From: sym...@gmail.com To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers I should have mentioned we are interested in international long distance. That will be a big part of our business. Cheers, Nick. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: They aren't everywhere, but we have had good experience with Voicepulse and their rate is typically less than $0.015 per minute. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the relaiable service, and aggressive pricing comes to meet? Guys please share your experiences. Cheers, Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich c.savinov...@itntelecom.com wrote: In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Christian Savinovich Telecom Telephony Consulting 646.982.3572 c.savinov...@itntelecom.com -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Nick Khamis wrote: I should have mentioned we are interested in international long distance. That will be a big part of our business. It sounds like you are intending to start a calling card company. Good luck - the competition is fierce, and you will be competing against companies that outright lie about the capacity of their cards, and use stolen minutes to fulfill them as often as they can. If you intend to do wholesale by reselling, you don't need to use the same company for inbound and outbound. In fact for outbound you will probably have many upstream providers, as your goal will be to find the cheapest reliable route in every case. You will need to code something for route selection (I did this in C/AGI). For inbound I use IP Comms, which has worked well. Unlimited inbound per DID, but NOT unlimited channels. For outbound I had arrangements with STi, Voipjet, and many others for smaller route sets. I also participated in the wholesale market at Arbinet, who just got bought out by someone... Cheers, j On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: They aren't everywhere, but we have had good experience with Voicepulse and their rate is typically less than $0.015 per minute. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the relaiable service, and aggressive pricing comes to meet? Guys please share your experiences. Cheers, Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich c.savinov...@itntelecom.com wrote: In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Christian Savinovich Telecom Telephony Consulting 646.982.3572 c.savinov...@itntelecom.com -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
Hello Tarek, For channels, usually they charge per additional channels. I guess being more explicit what it comes down to is: * Reliable service * Agressive Pricing * For DIDs - International Coverage - Per Aditional Channel Pricing * For SIP Termination - International Rates - Per additional trunk pricing We are looking to provide large scale long distance service to thrid world countries such as Sri Lanka, Philippines, India, Pakistan etc... So would require DID for those reagions with the channel support, and sip termintation to Canada and the US with trunk support. Nick. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Tarek Sawah tareksa...@hotmail.com wrote: for some reason i don't think (unlimited incoming channels) fits with (dirt cheap DIDs) as you will be abusing their network .. they should start charging per minute .. or you should pay for extra channels several DID providers would offer you 20 channels per did at some rate of 9$ a month per did.. 5 Euros per month and you should pay Extra for Extra channels.. could be the same amount for the same amount of channels Tarek Sawah Information Technology Adviser Integrated Digital Systems CCNP, MCSE, RHCE, TELECOM USA: +1 386 492 9993 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:09:10 -0400 From: sym...@gmail.com To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the relaiable service, and aggressive pricing comes to meet? Guys please share your experiences. Cheers, Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich c.savinov...@itntelecom.com wrote: In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Christian Savinovich Telecom Telephony Consulting 646.982.3572 c.savinov...@itntelecom.com -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
I have no knowledge of any commercial brand that operates in that region and would offer DIDs in those countries.. AND your channel requirements are a bit limited by technology in those regions... and VoIP termination Legislation in those countries whether they allow Calling Cards business, allow DID sales. those issues have more effect on your business. could have helped in US DIDs.. but in Asia i'm no aware of the presence of such providers. however TATACOMMUNICATIONS is the largest VoIP Operating entity in that region and you may find some luck contacting them? Tarek Sawah Information Technology Adviser Integrated Digital Systems CCNP, MCSE, RHCE, TELECOM USA: +1 386 492 9993 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:24:43 -0400 From: sym...@gmail.com To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Tarek, For channels, usually they charge per additional channels. I guess being more explicit what it comes down to is: * Reliable service * Agressive Pricing * For DIDs - International Coverage - Per Aditional Channel Pricing * For SIP Termination - International Rates - Per additional trunk pricing We are looking to provide large scale long distance service to thrid world countries such as Sri Lanka, Philippines, India, Pakistan etc... So would require DID for those reagions with the channel support, and sip termintation to Canada and the US with trunk support. Nick. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Tarek Sawah tareksa...@hotmail.com wrote: for some reason i don't think (unlimited incoming channels) fits with (dirt cheap DIDs) as you will be abusing their network .. they should start charging per minute .. or you should pay for extra channels several DID providers would offer you 20 channels per did at some rate of 9$ a month per did.. 5 Euros per month and you should pay Extra for Extra channels.. could be the same amount for the same amount of channels Tarek Sawah Information Technology Adviser Integrated Digital Systems CCNP, MCSE, RHCE, TELECOM USA: +1 386 492 9993 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:09:10 -0400 From: sym...@gmail.com To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the relaiable service, and aggressive pricing comes to meet? Guys please share your experiences. Cheers, Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich c.savinov...@itntelecom.com wrote: In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Christian Savinovich Telecom Telephony Consulting 646.982.3572 c.savinov...@itntelecom.com -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs
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Hello Jeff, There will always be fierce competition, we are starting of with prepaid for an obvious source of quick revenue, we will also be rolling out a few more products in the next year.. It seems like they LIE about their LD rates. A company in Australia was charged with this not too long ago. Stolen minutes? Not that I would be interested in stealing! I just want to be educated in such an act. Of course we don't have to use the same in/outbound providers. I should have been clearer about that. You mentioned Least Cost Route/Rate (LCR), any reason why you did not use what is already out there? Provided by a2billing etc...? We can also implement something using AGI if needed Nick. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jeff LaCoursiere j...@sunfone.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Nick Khamis wrote: I should have mentioned we are interested in international long distance. That will be a big part of our business. It sounds like you are intending to start a calling card company. Good luck - the competition is fierce, and you will be competing against companies that outright lie about the capacity of their cards, and use stolen minutes to fulfill them as often as they can. If you intend to do wholesale by reselling, you don't need to use the same company for inbound and outbound. In fact for outbound you will probably have many upstream providers, as your goal will be to find the cheapest reliable route in every case. You will need to code something for route selection (I did this in C/AGI). For inbound I use IP Comms, which has worked well. Unlimited inbound per DID, but NOT unlimited channels. For outbound I had arrangements with STi, Voipjet, and many others for smaller route sets. I also participated in the wholesale market at Arbinet, who just got bought out by someone... Cheers, j On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: They aren't everywhere, but we have had good experience with Voicepulse and their rate is typically less than $0.015 per minute. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the relaiable service, and aggressive pricing comes to meet? Guys please share your experiences. Cheers, Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich c.savinov...@itntelecom.com wrote: In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Christian Savinovich Telecom Telephony Consulting 646.982.3572 c.savinov...@itntelecom.com -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http
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Hello Tarek, Thanks again! I will look into TATA. Let's hope their comunication is better than their cars ;). Nick. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jeff, There will always be fierce competition, we are starting of with prepaid for an obvious source of quick revenue, we will also be rolling out a few more products in the next year.. It seems like they LIE about their LD rates. A company in Australia was charged with this not too long ago. Stolen minutes? Not that I would be interested in stealing! I just want to be educated in such an act. Of course we don't have to use the same in/outbound providers. I should have been clearer about that. You mentioned Least Cost Route/Rate (LCR), any reason why you did not use what is already out there? Provided by a2billing etc...? We can also implement something using AGI if needed Nick. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jeff LaCoursiere j...@sunfone.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Nick Khamis wrote: I should have mentioned we are interested in international long distance. That will be a big part of our business. It sounds like you are intending to start a calling card company. Good luck - the competition is fierce, and you will be competing against companies that outright lie about the capacity of their cards, and use stolen minutes to fulfill them as often as they can. If you intend to do wholesale by reselling, you don't need to use the same company for inbound and outbound. In fact for outbound you will probably have many upstream providers, as your goal will be to find the cheapest reliable route in every case. You will need to code something for route selection (I did this in C/AGI). For inbound I use IP Comms, which has worked well. Unlimited inbound per DID, but NOT unlimited channels. For outbound I had arrangements with STi, Voipjet, and many others for smaller route sets. I also participated in the wholesale market at Arbinet, who just got bought out by someone... Cheers, j On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: They aren't everywhere, but we have had good experience with Voicepulse and their rate is typically less than $0.015 per minute. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the relaiable service, and aggressive pricing comes to meet? Guys please share your experiences. Cheers, Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich c.savinov...@itntelecom.com wrote: In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Hello Everyone, We are looking for DID and SIP Termination service providers. Since there are so many these days, can you guy mention the BIG players that are supplying the rest of the little guy? We are looking for the cheapest, and scaleable infrastructure (i.e. unlimited channels for DID, and trunks for termintation). To summarize we are looking for the major players in the DID and SIP Trunk market, no/limited headache. This is for wholesaler service. Thanks in Advance, Nick -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Christian Savinovich Telecom Telephony Consulting 646.982.3572 c.savinov...@itntelecom.com -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Nick Khamis wrote: Hello Jeff, There will always be fierce competition, we are starting of with prepaid for an obvious source of quick revenue, we will also be rolling out a few more products in the next year.. It seems like they LIE about their LD rates. A company in Australia was charged with this not too long ago. Stolen minutes? Not that I would be interested in stealing! I just want to be educated in such an act. You will often see discussion on this list about asterisk servers being compromised and the result being very expensive calls placed until the compromise is noticed and shutdown. Those calls are placed by nefarious wholesalers that take advantage of the free routes they manage to find as long as possible. Hard to compete against free! Other games the calling card companies play - they will release a card with unbelievable rates so that it quickly gains market share, then slowly back off the minutes offered by the card (without changing the rate sheets of course) until it is noticed by the consumers, who stop buying it. Then that card is discontinued and another is produced in the same manner. You will notice on the calling card shelves there are only a handful of companies producing lots of different cards. There are many more tricks they use to dupe the consumers and stifle competition. Hidden or non-disclosed connection rates, maintenance fees charged every few days to burn off credit on the cards, time restrictions on the lower rates, etc. We actually produced a card once we called TRUTH (which was honest about rates, had no hidden fees, etc) and it sold ok for a while, but when the card next to it on the shelf claims twice the minutes for the same $$$, eventually they win. In the end this business doesn't make money unless you are selling millions of minutes per month, and even then the margins are slim and you have to play the same games to compete. What we thought would be a fairly easy business to run became a maintenance nightmare, and a single instance of fraud could wipe out months worth of profits. A2billing didn't exist when we started, so we rolled our own. Seems pretty popular now - maybe it would work well for you. Good luck, j Of course we don't have to use the same in/outbound providers. I should have been clearer about that. You mentioned Least Cost Route/Rate (LCR), any reason why you did not use what is already out there? Provided by a2billing etc...? We can also implement something using AGI if needed Nick. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jeff LaCoursiere j...@sunfone.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Nick Khamis wrote: I should have mentioned we are interested in international long distance. That will be a big part of our business. It sounds like you are intending to start a calling card company. Good luck - the competition is fierce, and you will be competing against companies that outright lie about the capacity of their cards, and use stolen minutes to fulfill them as often as they can. If you intend to do wholesale by reselling, you don't need to use the same company for inbound and outbound. In fact for outbound you will probably have many upstream providers, as your goal will be to find the cheapest reliable route in every case. You will need to code something for route selection (I did this in C/AGI). For inbound I use IP Comms, which has worked well. Unlimited inbound per DID, but NOT unlimited channels. For outbound I had arrangements with STi, Voipjet, and many others for smaller route sets. I also participated in the wholesale market at Arbinet, who just got bought out by someone... Cheers, j On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: They aren't everywhere, but we have had good experience with Voicepulse and their rate is typically less than $0.015 per minute. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers Very true... But there should be an equilibrium, the relaiable service, and aggressive pricing comes to meet? Guys please share your experiences. Cheers, Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, C. Savinovich c.savinov...@itntelecom.com wrote: In my professional opinion, the phrases I don't want no Bull service and I want the cheapest service are total contradictions. Down the road something is not going to give. C. Savinovich On September 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: This belongs on the commercial list. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:44 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
You will notice on the calling card shelves there are only a handful of companies producing lots of different cards. I have! That's what led me to CC for starters, then implementing a more novel startup product. But. Regardless of all the corruption, my goal is to offer something honest TRUTH, I like that ;), reliable and as consistent as possible. We cannot compete against free, but we can try our best. Again, CC is just an entry point, we can doing this like: speech to text - Natural Language Processing (NLP) - text to speech. Bringing computer science to VoIP. This is our long term.. I just need to keep the investor happy for now.. Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Jeff LaCoursiere j...@sunfone.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Nick Khamis wrote: Hello Jeff, There will always be fierce competition, we are starting of with prepaid for an obvious source of quick revenue, we will also be rolling out a few more products in the next year.. It seems like they LIE about their LD rates. A company in Australia was charged with this not too long ago. Stolen minutes? Not that I would be interested in stealing! I just want to be educated in such an act. You will often see discussion on this list about asterisk servers being compromised and the result being very expensive calls placed until the compromise is noticed and shutdown. Those calls are placed by nefarious wholesalers that take advantage of the free routes they manage to find as long as possible. Hard to compete against free! Other games the calling card companies play - they will release a card with unbelievable rates so that it quickly gains market share, then slowly back off the minutes offered by the card (without changing the rate sheets of course) until it is noticed by the consumers, who stop buying it. Then that card is discontinued and another is produced in the same manner. You will notice on the calling card shelves there are only a handful of companies producing lots of different cards. There are many more tricks they use to dupe the consumers and stifle competition. Hidden or non-disclosed connection rates, maintenance fees charged every few days to burn off credit on the cards, time restrictions on the lower rates, etc. We actually produced a card once we called TRUTH (which was honest about rates, had no hidden fees, etc) and it sold ok for a while, but when the card next to it on the shelf claims twice the minutes for the same $$$, eventually they win. In the end this business doesn't make money unless you are selling millions of minutes per month, and even then the margins are slim and you have to play the same games to compete. What we thought would be a fairly easy business to run became a maintenance nightmare, and a single instance of fraud could wipe out months worth of profits. A2billing didn't exist when we started, so we rolled our own. Seems pretty popular now - maybe it would work well for you. Good luck, j Of course we don't have to use the same in/outbound providers. I should have been clearer about that. You mentioned Least Cost Route/Rate (LCR), any reason why you did not use what is already out there? Provided by a2billing etc...? We can also implement something using AGI if needed Nick. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jeff LaCoursiere j...@sunfone.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Nick Khamis wrote: I should have mentioned we are interested in international long distance. That will be a big part of our business. It sounds like you are intending to start a calling card company. Good luck - the competition is fierce, and you will be competing against companies that outright lie about the capacity of their cards, and use stolen minutes to fulfill them as often as they can. If you intend to do wholesale by reselling, you don't need to use the same company for inbound and outbound. In fact for outbound you will probably have many upstream providers, as your goal will be to find the cheapest reliable route in every case. You will need to code something for route selection (I did this in C/AGI). For inbound I use IP Comms, which has worked well. Unlimited inbound per DID, but NOT unlimited channels. For outbound I had arrangements with STi, Voipjet, and many others for smaller route sets. I also participated in the wholesale market at Arbinet, who just got bought out by someone... Cheers, j On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Danny Nicholas da...@debsinc.com wrote: They aren't everywhere, but we have had good experience with Voicepulse and their rate is typically less than $0.015 per minute. -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Nick Khamis Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers
one thing i'm sure of? Honesty is a waste in this type of business.. all the features youa re talking about .. have been offered and tested with customers.. the bottom like .. when a customer buys a 2$ calling card . he expects to make a call and say his words and hangs up .. all those features won't be of use for him for a card that will allow him to talk as much minutes as he can! you abusing free routes or not.. is not his business actually. those features can be offered to PINLESS customers who can pay 100-300 $ per account! Tarek Sawah Information Technology Adviser Integrated Digital Systems CCNP, MCSE, RHCE, TELECOM USA: +1 386 492 9993 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:03:26 -0400 From: sym...@gmail.com To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] No Bull Service Providers You will notice on the calling card shelves there are only a handful of companies producing lots of different cards. I have! That's what led me to CC for starters, then implementing a more novel startup product. But. Regardless of all the corruption, my goal is to offer something honest TRUTH, I like that ;), reliable and as consistent as possible. We cannot compete against free, but we can try our best. Again, CC is just an entry point, we can doing this like: speech to text - Natural Language Processing (NLP) - text to speech. Bringing computer science to VoIP. This is our long term.. I just need to keep the investor happy for now.. Nick On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Jeff LaCoursiere j...@sunfone.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Nick Khamis wrote: Hello Jeff, There will always be fierce competition, we are starting of with prepaid for an obvious source of quick revenue, we will also be rolling out a few more products in the next year.. It seems like they LIE about their LD rates. A company in Australia was charged with this not too long ago. Stolen minutes? Not that I would be interested in stealing! I just want to be educated in such an act. You will often see discussion on this list about asterisk servers being compromised and the result being very expensive calls placed until the compromise is noticed and shutdown. Those calls are placed by nefarious wholesalers that take advantage of the free routes they manage to find as long as possible. Hard to compete against free! Other games the calling card companies play - they will release a card with unbelievable rates so that it quickly gains market share, then slowly back off the minutes offered by the card (without changing the rate sheets of course) until it is noticed by the consumers, who stop buying it. Then that card is discontinued and another is produced in the same manner. You will notice on the calling card shelves there are only a handful of companies producing lots of different cards. There are many more tricks they use to dupe the consumers and stifle competition. Hidden or non-disclosed connection rates, maintenance fees charged every few days to burn off credit on the cards, time restrictions on the lower rates, etc. We actually produced a card once we called TRUTH (which was honest about rates, had no hidden fees, etc) and it sold ok for a while, but when the card next to it on the shelf claims twice the minutes for the same $$$, eventually they win. In the end this business doesn't make money unless you are selling millions of minutes per month, and even then the margins are slim and you have to play the same games to compete. What we thought would be a fairly easy business to run became a maintenance nightmare, and a single instance of fraud could wipe out months worth of profits. A2billing didn't exist when we started, so we rolled our own. Seems pretty popular now - maybe it would work well for you. Good luck, j Of course we don't have to use the same in/outbound providers. I should have been clearer about that. You mentioned Least Cost Route/Rate (LCR), any reason why you did not use what is already out there? Provided by a2billing etc...? We can also implement something using AGI if needed Nick. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jeff LaCoursiere j...@sunfone.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Sep 2011, Nick Khamis wrote: I should have mentioned we are interested in international long distance. That will be a big part of our business. It sounds like you are intending to start a calling card company. Good luck - the competition is fierce, and you will be competing against companies that outright lie about the capacity of their cards, and use stolen minutes to fulfill them as often as they can. If you intend to do wholesale by reselling, you don't need to use the same company for inbound and outbound. In fact for outbound you will probably have many upstream providers, as your goal will be to find the cheapest reliable route
