Re: [asterisk-users] PRI/T1 data rate...
Andrew Joakimsen wrote: On 8/2/07, *Forrest W. Christian* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Totaro wrote: I knew someone would have an explanation that makes sense. I have NEVER done anything but PRI from the Telco. Wouldn't the question of signaling and switchtype negate the need to ask for data rate? Yes. But these are probably telco ordering droids, meaning that all they know is that they have to fill in the blanks. I recently ordered a LD PRI from a carrier. I wanted PRI, switchtype either 5ESS or preferrably National. The order got kicked because I didn't specify whether or not I wanted EM and which type of em (immediate, wink, etc) I wanted. I seem to recall a couple of other totally non-relevant questions that I had to specify as well... Or, more specifically, convince the droid which was checking the order for completeness that they weren't needed. -forrest I love fighting with these people trying to convince them that ANI and CallerID are not the same thing. Even more senior tech do not seem to understand this. When Global Crossing first rolled out it's IP backbone (delivered as a TDM DS3 PRI). The only work around I could get them to do was sent *ani*dnis*, lol. I had to whip up some dialplan magic to work with that. Only problem was that about 30% of the time they would send missing info such as **dnis* or *ani**. I told them that we would not pay the bill for calls like that they are toll frees and we had no way of knowing if the billing was correct, and in the case of *ani**, the calls were useless since we had no way to route the call correctly. We also could not reconcile bills coming from transfer partners due to missing ANI. Finally, after sending CDR logs from asterisk every day for a month, they found the bug in their system. I swear, these guys make more work for us than what is in the job description. Thanks, Steve Thanks, Steve ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] PRI/T1 data rate...
B-chans should be 64k. That is a strange question indeed. Thanks, Steve Totaro Andre Courchesne - Consultant wrote: Hi all, First, this is not my first PRI/T1 Asterisk deployement. Did several with Bell, Telus, AllStream, Rogers but this is my first with Videotron. Just spoke with the person taking the order and on top of the standard settings (switch, coding,...) she asked me about data rate (56k or 64k). Since I have never been asked this question before and can find anything relevant in the configuration files, I would like to have your inputs on this. Thanks, Andre Courchesne ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] PRI/T1 data rate...
Steve Totaro wrote: B-chans should be 64k. That is a strange question indeed. For PRI, agreed. This is, however, a common question when provisioning channelized T1 services, since the B channels on robbed-bit T1's are really only 56K since the lowest bit is robbed for signalling. -forrest ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] PRI/T1 data rate...
Forrest W Christian wrote: Steve Totaro wrote: B-chans should be 64k. That is a strange question indeed. For PRI, agreed. This is, however, a common question when provisioning channelized T1 services, since the B channels on robbed-bit T1's are really only 56K since the lowest bit is robbed for signalling. -forrest I knew someone would have an explanation that makes sense. I have NEVER done anything but PRI from the Telco. Wouldn't the question of signaling and switchtype negate the need to ask for data rate? Thanks, Steve Totaro ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] PRI/T1 data rate...
Andre Courchesne - Consultant wrote: Hi all, First, this is not my first PRI/T1 Asterisk deployement. Did several with Bell, Telus, AllStream, Rogers but this is my first with Videotron. Just spoke with the person taking the order and on top of the standard settings (switch, coding,...) she asked me about data rate (56k or 64k). If she's selling a PRI and is asking this, then she is a bit clueless. 56k applies to RBS (CAS) T1s. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1826/products_feature_guide09186a0080080eb1.html Since I have never been asked this question before and can find anything relevant in the configuration files, I would like to have your inputs on this. Thanks, Andre Courchesne ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Andres Technical Support http://www.telesip.net ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] PRI/T1 data rate...
Steve Totaro wrote: I knew someone would have an explanation that makes sense. I have NEVER done anything but PRI from the Telco. Wouldn't the question of signaling and switchtype negate the need to ask for data rate? Yes. But these are probably telco ordering droids, meaning that all they know is that they have to fill in the blanks. I recently ordered a LD PRI from a carrier. I wanted PRI, switchtype either 5ESS or preferrably National. The order got kicked because I didn't specify whether or not I wanted EM and which type of em (immediate, wink, etc) I wanted. I seem to recall a couple of other totally non-relevant questions that I had to specify as well... Or, more specifically, convince the droid which was checking the order for completeness that they weren't needed. -forrest ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] PRI/T1 data rate...
Thanks to all that responded so quickly. It was helpfull to me and I hope other that will be asked the same question by telcos. Andre Courchesne ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] PRI/T1 data rate...
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Forrest W. Christian wrote: The order got kicked because I didn't specify whether or not I wanted EM and which type of em (immediate, wink, etc) I wanted. Are you serious? Which ILEC is this? -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel: +1-678-954-0670 Direct : +1-678-954-0671 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] PRI/T1 data rate...
On 8/2/07, Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Totaro wrote: I knew someone would have an explanation that makes sense. I have NEVER done anything but PRI from the Telco. Wouldn't the question of signaling and switchtype negate the need to ask for data rate? Yes. But these are probably telco ordering droids, meaning that all they know is that they have to fill in the blanks. I recently ordered a LD PRI from a carrier. I wanted PRI, switchtype either 5ESS or preferrably National. The order got kicked because I didn't specify whether or not I wanted EM and which type of em (immediate, wink, etc) I wanted. I seem to recall a couple of other totally non-relevant questions that I had to specify as well... Or, more specifically, convince the droid which was checking the order for completeness that they weren't needed. -forrest PLEASE tell me who that carrier is. I work with an inept company that doesn't even know what ANI and CPN mean. Well our ANI and CPN are one and the same. A bunch of inbred hicks somewhere in Alabama. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] PRI/T1 data rate...
Andrew Joakimsen wrote: PLEASE tell me who that carrier is. I work with an inept company that doesn't even know what ANI and CPN mean. Well our ANI and CPN are one and the same. A bunch of inbred hicks somewhere in Alabama. The underlying carrier is actually really clueful (Qwest the LD carrier, not Qwest the ILEC). I was really impressed with the provisioning tech who did a really nice job of running over the parameters which are tweakable, but often you don't get to tweak, like ANI vs CID delivery (ANI please), etc.. Mainly it was strictly an issue with undertrained sales people who probably aren't paid well enough to stick around long enough to get a clue. This circuit was actually purchased through one of the website low-price brokers, which then get prices from LD resellers which actually then buy in bulk from carriers. The broker fills out the form and submits it to the LD reseller who then reviews it (and in this case complains because all of the required questions not relevant to a PRI were skipped). This is actually pretty common. Generally once you can get through the nightmare of the order, things go well. In the weird, non-relevant question category, my favorite is the whole discussion I've had every time I've ordered a PRI from my local ILEC regarding the number of presented digits. I do realize that back in old pbx days, you wanted the telco to send you say 4 digits which corresponded to your extension number, and the question is still valid with PRI - athough why anyone would want less than the full 10 digit NANPA number is beyond me. Obviously it isn't as common as I think because my ordering process normally goes something like this: Q:How many presentation digits? Me: 10 Q:Really? Me: Yes, 10 digits. Q: Are you sure your switch can handle 10 digits? Me: Yes. It routes them to the correct extension and that way I don't have to worry about number conflicts. Q: Ohhhkay, (with that tone of voice of I'm not going to protect you from your own stupidity.). (pause) Q: Now what type of start would you like on these trunks? * *ok, the last question doesn't usually get asked by the ILEC, but I just *had* to add it for humor purposes... -forrest ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
