Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 03:59:22PM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:58:59PM -0700, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote:
Really? You have an RJ-21X block that contains both analog AND T1
wires? That's really uncommon. I hope they at least put the red
special service caps on the T1 wires.
Yup. I thought that pretty funny myself. 10 year old analog wires
running a digital T1. :) And they do have some caps on them, I think
it was red but not 100% sure.
No, that's not the unusual part. The unusual part is just that both
analog and digital services are on the same block. Maybe it's a
regional think...
That's really not unusual. It's not /preferred/, but that's an entirely
different can of worms.
I'll bet. :-)
In general, if copper is available into a building, the telco is going to
look very seriously at the possibility of using that. If the building is
already wired and the copper tests clean, the telco will want to use that.
In most existing situations, that will already be terminated in a can with
lightning suppression and will have been crossed over to RJ21X's that are
going to whatever suites are in the building.
So we don't pay a lot of attention to Tx and Rx in separate jackets,
or shielded anymore? Or is so much T-1 delivery over 1-pair HDSL that
no one cares anymore?
Since the telco will have /no/ /problem/ running the T1 over their outside
plant and up to the can on what is approximately Category 3 wire, and the
T1 signal is going to have been running alongside those same analog wires
for probably a few miles, what happens next should be obvious.
Cat 3 is optimistic, IME. Cat 2 is good enough for T-1, though; I
looked once.
Suite 214 wants a T1. There's already a 25-pair going up there from the
RJ21X. It's second story, so do you go and spend an {hour, afternoon,
etc} figuring out how to run fresh wire, or do you notice that only 6 pair
are in use on the RJ21X, and decide to feed up on the existing cable?
Now, if you're nasty and you don't separate it (typically I see the bottom
used for data) and you don't put redcaps on, yeah, then that is just
looking for eventual trouble. And who knows, the wire may be cruddy, so
maybe you still end up doing the separate run. But it probably works.
I've seen this often enough. Would I prefer to see new cable run? Sure.
But we've all done our copper sins. I've seen a lot of things that are
uglier than that. Here's one of them:
http://www.sol.net/hallofshame/
Slithering jesus. :-)
(I've always meant to expand that page, but it seems that I never get the
good photos of bad stuff)
I was going to ask...
Lack of space, lack of need, lack of having another RJ21X in the truck are
just a few other obvious reasons that this might be done.
True.
Your netmon link is 404, BTW.
Cheers,
-- jra
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Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection (Resolved)
On Jul 11, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: I may have figured out the problem this morning, but I won't be able to test for a few days (again, aggravating that the only T1 line I have to test with is the live one). I noticed this morning while telneted into the Adtran that when I hangup on our normal incoming lines the Receive A bit toggles. I then noticed that two of the lines do NOT toggle the RA bit during hangup. These happen to the be last two lines in the rotary so I would not normally get incoming calls and complaints on them. They also happen to be the lines I was using to do my testing with. Grrr. Just to close out this thread for anybody interested, last night I hooked up the T1 line again and verified that this was indeed the problem. Out of the 12 lines in use on the T1, 4 of them do not provide the disconnect supervision. So I have called and updated my trouble ticket to include all 4 of those channels. Thanks again everybody for the suggestions and bits of information that helped me track down this problem. Daniel ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 11:13:02AM -0700, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: D-Marc that terminates the 25-pair analog line coming in (this does not just contain our lines as I can tap into other peoples lines and hear there conversations, love security). The T-1's aren't on that, though, right? Next to that is a box with 4 slots for T1 cards, we used to have a T1 internet connection and its card is still in there. Slot 2 has the flex-grow T1 card in it. That's the smartjack, in the box. One of the pairs from the D-Marc goes into this T1 card and it Really? You have an RJ-21X block that contains both analog AND T1 wires? That's really uncommon. I hope they at least put the red special service caps on the T1 wires. provides a RJ-45 connection for the T1 line that runs either to the Adtran or to our Digium T1 card. Probably an RJ-48, actually, but who's counting. :-) I hope that answers the question, as I am not entirely sure what a shelf or smartjack are. Though I will feel really stupid if you say a shelf is something you store stuff on. See above. :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
On Jul 11, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 11:13:02AM -0700, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: D-Marc that terminates the 25-pair analog line coming in (this does not just contain our lines as I can tap into other peoples lines and hear there conversations, love security). The T-1's aren't on that, though, right? ... Really? You have an RJ-21X block that contains both analog AND T1 wires? That's really uncommon. I hope they at least put the red special service caps on the T1 wires. Yup. I thought that pretty funny myself. 10 year old analog wires running a digital T1. :) And they do have some caps on them, I think it was red but not 100% sure. I may have figured out the problem this morning, but I won't be able to test for a few days (again, aggravating that the only T1 line I have to test with is the live one). I noticed this morning while telneted into the Adtran that when I hangup on our normal incoming lines the Receive A bit toggles. I then noticed that two of the lines do NOT toggle the RA bit during hangup. These happen to the be last two lines in the rotary so I would not normally get incoming calls and complaints on them. They also happen to be the lines I was using to do my testing with. Grrr. I called Verizon and opened a ticket for why those 2 lines are behaving differently and that sounds like the problem, but I won't know for sure until I can test and try calling on one of the lines that does toggle the RA bit. As soon as I get that tested I will report that, though I expect that should fix the hangup issue. Thanks, Daniel Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http:// baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:58:59PM -0700, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: Really? You have an RJ-21X block that contains both analog AND T1 wires? That's really uncommon. I hope they at least put the red special service caps on the T1 wires. Yup. I thought that pretty funny myself. 10 year old analog wires running a digital T1. :) And they do have some caps on them, I think it was red but not 100% sure. No, that's not the unusual part. The unusual part is just that both analog and digital services are on the same block. Maybe it's a regional think... I may have figured out the problem this morning, but I won't be able to test for a few days (again, aggravating that the only T1 line I have to test with is the live one). I noticed this morning while telneted into the Adtran that when I hangup on our normal incoming lines the Receive A bit toggles. I then noticed that two of the lines do NOT toggle the RA bit during hangup. These happen to the be last two lines in the rotary so I would not normally get incoming calls and complaints on them. They also happen to be the lines I was using to do my testing with. Grrr. I called Verizon and opened a ticket for why those 2 lines are behaving differently and that sounds like the problem, but I won't know for sure until I can test and try calling on one of the lines that does toggle the RA bit. As soon as I get that tested I will report that, though I expect that should fix the hangup issue. Aha! Good luck with that. Cheers, - jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
That happens all the time when the T1s are purchased from a CLEC as the RBOCs just deliver the clec pairs wherever. I can think of at least two or three demarcs that I have been to in the last few months that were mixed like that. Here in Qwest territory the T1s use a different color cross connect wire (red/blue and red/orange vs the yellow/blue that the analog lines use). John van Oppen Spectrum Networks LLC 206.973.8302 (Direct) 206.973.8300 (main office) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay R. Ashworth Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 1:05 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:58:59PM -0700, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: Really? You have an RJ-21X block that contains both analog AND T1 wires? That's really uncommon. I hope they at least put the red special service caps on the T1 wires. Yup. I thought that pretty funny myself. 10 year old analog wires running a digital T1. :) And they do have some caps on them, I think it was red but not 100% sure. No, that's not the unusual part. The unusual part is just that both analog and digital services are on the same block. Maybe it's a regional think... I may have figured out the problem this morning, but I won't be able to test for a few days (again, aggravating that the only T1 line I have to test with is the live one). I noticed this morning while telneted into the Adtran that when I hangup on our normal incoming lines the Receive A bit toggles. I then noticed that two of the lines do NOT toggle the RA bit during hangup. These happen to the be last two lines in the rotary so I would not normally get incoming calls and complaints on them. They also happen to be the lines I was using to do my testing with. Grrr. I called Verizon and opened a ticket for why those 2 lines are behaving differently and that sounds like the problem, but I won't know for sure until I can test and try calling on one of the lines that does toggle the RA bit. As soon as I get that tested I will report that, though I expect that should fix the hangup issue. Aha! Good luck with that. Cheers, - jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:58:59PM -0700, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote:
Really? You have an RJ-21X block that contains both analog AND T1
wires? That's really uncommon. I hope they at least put the red
special service caps on the T1 wires.
Yup. I thought that pretty funny myself. 10 year old analog wires
running a digital T1. :) And they do have some caps on them, I think
it was red but not 100% sure.
No, that's not the unusual part. The unusual part is just that both
analog and digital services are on the same block. Maybe it's a
regional think...
That's really not unusual. It's not /preferred/, but that's an entirely
different can of worms.
In general, if copper is available into a building, the telco is going to
look very seriously at the possibility of using that. If the building is
already wired and the copper tests clean, the telco will want to use that.
In most existing situations, that will already be terminated in a can with
lightning suppression and will have been crossed over to RJ21X's that are
going to whatever suites are in the building.
Since the telco will have /no/ /problem/ running the T1 over their outside
plant and up to the can on what is approximately Category 3 wire, and the
T1 signal is going to have been running alongside those same analog wires
for probably a few miles, what happens next should be obvious.
Suite 214 wants a T1. There's already a 25-pair going up there from the
RJ21X. It's second story, so do you go and spend an {hour, afternoon,
etc} figuring out how to run fresh wire, or do you notice that only 6 pair
are in use on the RJ21X, and decide to feed up on the existing cable?
Now, if you're nasty and you don't separate it (typically I see the bottom
used for data) and you don't put redcaps on, yeah, then that is just
looking for eventual trouble. And who knows, the wire may be cruddy, so
maybe you still end up doing the separate run. But it probably works.
I've seen this often enough. Would I prefer to see new cable run? Sure.
But we've all done our copper sins. I've seen a lot of things that are
uglier than that. Here's one of them:
http://www.sol.net/hallofshame/
(I've always meant to expand that page, but it seems that I never get the
good photos of bad stuff)
Lack of space, lack of need, lack of having another RJ21X in the truck are
just a few other obvious reasons that this might be done.
... JG
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Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
Another update on the latest hookup attempt. I can make it work reasonably well with callprogress=yes, it detects the hangup but only after about 7-9 seconds. My config files are the same as the last time I posted (apparently last time I wasn't waiting long enough for callprogress to kick in). If I turn callprogress=off then it never hangs up, if I turn it on, again after 7-9 seconds, it will hangup. My current Adtran unit hangs up almost instantly, so I think it is getting and detecting the disconnect supervision correctly. I am going to try again in a few days, but I want to make some modifications to the zaptel driver (add in some debug code) and revert to Asterisk 1.4, not that I expect that to make a difference but I'll try anything at this point. Before I do a question: I am using esf,b8zs signalling on a true(/inband) T1 line. Does the Zaptel driver use the rxwink timing to detect a hangup by the disconnect supervision? If not, what does it use as it must be able to tell the difference (and I am using analog terms here) between a hangup and a flash for 3-way calling. Thanks again. If I can't figure this out I will have to call them out, but I don't think they will do anything other than say yep it works on our side, fix your own equipment. Daniel On Jul 8, 2008, at 1:11 PM, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: Just an update for the information I got from Verizon: It is a true T1, not a PRI for sure. b8zs and esf signalling. It is loop start with disconnect supervision (kewlstart as I understand it). I know I had already tried kewlstart before, but I suppose it is possible that some other configuration option was making it not work. Since the only T1 line I have coming in is our live phone lines I will have to test this again late some night this week, so if somebody has an idea of some things to check while I am doing that I will certainly give it a shot, otherwise I will report back afterwords if I had success. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:48:00 -0400 From: Jason Aarons \(US\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digital ISDN used Q931 messages. You should get a disconnect message from telco on the d-channel 23. I am pretty sure it is a T1 and not a PRI. I did try configuring it as a PRI and it started spewing all kinds of errors and completely stopped working. Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:55:27 -0400 From: Doug Lytle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: We are in the process of preparing to move our Asterisk server to a Digital T1 interface card instead of a analog card (via an Adtran which is now connected to the T1). I did a preliminary test the other A T1 or a PRI? Just make sure we're on the same page. Also, show us your zaptel and zapata.conf Again, I am pretty sure T1. It is a Verizon Flex-Grow package, which they list as expandable up to 24 voice channels. That and I tried configuring as a PRI and it harfed. The Adtran box we use now is configured as: Timing Mode Network Format ESF Line Code B8ZS Equalization0 dB CSU LpbkEnable Rx Sensitivity Auto Right now with Asterisk mostly working (it answers calls, dials out, etc. just doesn't detect hangup) my /etc/zaptel.conf is: # # Span Configuration # ~~ span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs span=2,0,0,esf,b8zs # # Channel Configuration # ~ fxsks=1-24 fxoks=25-48 loadzone = us defaultzone=us --CUT-- /etc/asterisk/zapata.conf: [channels] usecallerid=yes callerid=asreceived cidsignalling=bell cidstart=ring callprogress=yes# I have turned this off too ;- ; ; Define telco channels in rotary, these should be answered ; like a normal incoming call. ; context=bridgeNEC usecallerid=yes signalling=fxs_ks group=1 ; Part of ZAP group 1 channel = 1-9 context=incoming channel = 12 ;- ; ; Telco line, computer dialup, needs to be routed to output line. ; group=2 usecallerid=no channel = 10 ; PSTN attached to Span1:Port10 ;- ; ; Telco line, construction trailer fax, needs to be routed. ; group=3 usecallerid=no channel = 11 ; PSTN attached to Span1:Port11 ;- ; ; ADTran lines, used for outgoing to analog devices ; context=incoming group=4 usecallerid=no signalling=fxo_ks channel = 25-36 --CUT-- For context, the bridgeNEC context just dials out one of the ADTran lines to our existing NEC system, but the incoming context starts our menu-system, which was also not detecting hangups. I have also tried using loopstart and groundstart signalling, doesn't seem to make a difference. I am pretty well stumped myself. I need to call the telco about the caller id not working to verify that it is still turned on, but I figure I might as well wait so that if I need to ask them about the signalling I can know all the questions to ask at the same time. Thanks, Daniel ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
Is there any way you could get a cut-sheet from Verizon. I know they are difficult to work with, but it would help to see for sure if your circuit is indeed Loop-start. You could always try EM_wink or EM immediate and see if there is any change. MATT--- On 7/8/08, Daniel Hazelbaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:48:00 -0400 From: Jason Aarons \(US\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digital ISDN used Q931 messages. You should get a disconnect message from telco on the d-channel 23. I am pretty sure it is a T1 and not a PRI. I did try configuring it as a PRI and it started spewing all kinds of errors and completely stopped working. Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:55:27 -0400 From: Doug Lytle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: We are in the process of preparing to move our Asterisk server to a Digital T1 interface card instead of a analog card (via an Adtran which is now connected to the T1). I did a preliminary test the other A T1 or a PRI? Just make sure we're on the same page. Also, show us your zaptel and zapata.conf Again, I am pretty sure T1. It is a Verizon Flex-Grow package, which they list as expandable up to 24 voice channels. That and I tried configuring as a PRI and it harfed. The Adtran box we use now is configured as: Timing Mode Network Format ESF Line Code B8ZS Equalization0 dB CSU LpbkEnable Rx Sensitivity Auto Right now with Asterisk mostly working (it answers calls, dials out, etc. just doesn't detect hangup) my /etc/zaptel.conf is: # # Span Configuration # ~~ span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs span=2,0,0,esf,b8zs # # Channel Configuration # ~ fxsks=1-24 fxoks=25-48 loadzone = us defaultzone=us --CUT-- /etc/asterisk/zapata.conf: [channels] usecallerid=yes callerid=asreceived cidsignalling=bell cidstart=ring callprogress=yes# I have turned this off too ;- ; ; Define telco channels in rotary, these should be answered ; like a normal incoming call. ; context=bridgeNEC usecallerid=yes signalling=fxs_ks group=1 ; Part of ZAP group 1 channel = 1-9 context=incoming channel = 12 ;- ; ; Telco line, computer dialup, needs to be routed to output line. ; group=2 usecallerid=no channel = 10 ; PSTN attached to Span1:Port10 ;- ; ; Telco line, construction trailer fax, needs to be routed. ; group=3 usecallerid=no channel = 11 ; PSTN attached to Span1:Port11 ;- ; ; ADTran lines, used for outgoing to analog devices ; context=incoming group=4 usecallerid=no signalling=fxo_ks channel = 25-36 --CUT-- For context, the bridgeNEC context just dials out one of the ADTran lines to our existing NEC system, but the incoming context starts our menu-system, which was also not detecting hangups. I have also tried using loopstart and groundstart signalling, doesn't seem to make a difference. I am pretty well stumped myself. I need to call the telco about the caller id not working to verify that it is still turned on, but I figure I might as well wait so that if I need to ask them about the signalling I can know all the questions to ask at the same time. Thanks, Daniel ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: span=1,1,0,esf,b8zs span=2,0,0,esf,b8zs # # Channel Configuration # ~ fxsks=1-24 fxoks=25-48 So, it would appear that the lines are handled just just like normal analog lines, the only T1 that I've delt with is setting up Adit Channel banks. You may want to see if your provider can supply ground start instead of loop start to allows for disconnect supervision. The best would be to go PRI if possible. Doug -- Ben Franklin quote: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 10:00:08AM -0700, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: Again, I am pretty sure T1. It is a Verizon Flex-Grow package, The Flex-grows I've seen were indeed T1, ESF as I recall the lights on the Adit 600 they terminated them into. Daniel: did Verizontal supply you with a shelf? Or just the smartjack? -- j -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Joseph Stalin) ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: The Flex-grows I've seen were indeed T1, ESF as I recall the lights on the Adit 600 they terminated them into. Daniel: did Verizontal supply you with a shelf? Or just the smartjack? Uhhh... :) I have in my server room these things: D-Marc that terminates the 25-pair analog line coming in (this does not just contain our lines as I can tap into other peoples lines and hear there conversations, love security). Next to that is a box with 4 slots for T1 cards, we used to have a T1 internet connection and its card is still in there. Slot 2 has the flex-grow T1 card in it. One of the pairs from the D-Marc goes into this T1 card and it provides a RJ-45 connection for the T1 line that runs either to the Adtran or to our Digium T1 card. I hope that answers the question, as I am not entirely sure what a shelf or smartjack are. Though I will feel really stupid if you say a shelf is something you store stuff on. I will be calling Verizon this afternoon to try and get some information on our line. Hopefully I will get somebody that knows what they are talking about (and what I am talking about) as I am going to ask about everything I need to know to hook this up to our new digital PBX. (esf, b8zs, loop start, ground start, kewl start, forward disconnect, etc.) I'm hoping that will at least give me enough information to make some headway and maybe one of you guys enough information to tell me what I am doing wrong (or heaven forbid what Verizon is doing wrong) :). I'll post again after I get something from them. Thanks again, Daniel -- j -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http:// baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
Just an update for the information I got from Verizon: It is a true T1, not a PRI for sure. b8zs and esf signalling. It is loop start with disconnect supervision (kewlstart as I understand it). I know I had already tried kewlstart before, but I suppose it is possible that some other configuration option was making it not work. Since the only T1 line I have coming in is our live phone lines I will have to test this again late some night this week, so if somebody has an idea of some things to check while I am doing that I will certainly give it a shot, otherwise I will report back afterwords if I had success. Daniel On Jul 8, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: The Flex-grows I've seen were indeed T1, ESF as I recall the lights on the Adit 600 they terminated them into. Daniel: did Verizontal supply you with a shelf? Or just the smartjack? Uhhh... :) I have in my server room these things: D-Marc that terminates the 25-pair analog line coming in (this does not just contain our lines as I can tap into other peoples lines and hear there conversations, love security). Next to that is a box with 4 slots for T1 cards, we used to have a T1 internet connection and its card is still in there. Slot 2 has the flex-grow T1 card in it. One of the pairs from the D-Marc goes into this T1 card and it provides a RJ-45 connection for the T1 line that runs either to the Adtran or to our Digium T1 card. I hope that answers the question, as I am not entirely sure what a shelf or smartjack are. Though I will feel really stupid if you say a shelf is something you store stuff on. I will be calling Verizon this afternoon to try and get some information on our line. Hopefully I will get somebody that knows what they are talking about (and what I am talking about) as I am going to ask about everything I need to know to hook this up to our new digital PBX. (esf, b8zs, loop start, ground start, kewl start, forward disconnect, etc.) I'm hoping that will at least give me enough information to make some headway and maybe one of you guys enough information to tell me what I am doing wrong (or heaven forbid what Verizon is doing wrong) :). I'll post again after I get something from them. Thanks again, Daniel -- j -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http:// baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
Digital ISDN used Q931 messages. You should get a disconnect message from telco on the d-channel 23. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Hazelbaker Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:39 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection We are in the process of preparing to move our Asterisk server to a Digital T1 interface card instead of a analog card (via an Adtran which is now connected to the T1). I did a preliminary test the other day and hooked the T1 line up to the T1 card, bypassing the Adtran. This worked rather well I must say. The two issues I ran into are: 1) Caller ID is not working even though I enabled it. I simply do not see _anything_ related to caller ID going on. (not major, I am not even sure the phone company has it setup properly so I need to talk to them first, Verizon) 2) Asterisk is not detecting the far end hangup. Through the Adtran it does, but direct digital it does not. I bridged an incoming call to an analog phone and listened as I hung up the far end (cell-call). I hear a audible click, silence, and then after maybe a half second I hear dialtone. I tried turning on hanguponpolarity switch, tried turning it off, tried turning callprogress on and off, still does not detect the hangup. Am I missing something obvious in Asterisk (this is my first digital hookup)? I read somewhere that Asterisk is already suppose to detect dialtone to know that the far-end hungup. Do I need to call my phone company and get details on exactly how they are triggering the hangup, though I would think with digital it just happens). Daniel ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users - Disclaimer: This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information and is for use by the designated addressee(s) named above only. If you are not the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any use or reproduction of this email or its contents is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] US T1 Hangup Detection
Daniel Hazelbaker wrote: We are in the process of preparing to move our Asterisk server to a Digital T1 interface card instead of a analog card (via an Adtran which is now connected to the T1). I did a preliminary test the other A T1 or a PRI? Just make sure we're on the same page. Also, show us your zaptel and zapata.conf Doug -- Ben Franklin quote: Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- AstriCon 2008 - September 22 - 25 Phoenix, Arizona Register Now: http://www.astricon.net asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
