Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille interesting. i've never actually known that these methods and tools ever existed for braille, ginerally speaking it was hard enough for me to actually get some of the braille tools i have today for me to study with, for calculus, both hysics and math here things you study from the first to the third year of hie school, i must say that the old teeching program was actually a lot complicated for others that studied before as they cover hire learning, depeneding on what you chose, thanks to that i am good at math in the level i am today, although i'm not sure to be honest if i get these tools we're talking about for braille if i'm going to be abel to actually understand them completely with relative ease, especially considering the fact that i've bin taught physics and math with the french language, i think it's just a matter of knowing the symbols again and what the mean in place of the ones i know in french, with a bit of time and practice i think, but i'll definitely have a look in to these URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607303/#p607303 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille I like what I've read so far, and as a person who has completed the calc track for a CS degree, here's what I'll say:If you can help it, get Braille for everything (assuming you're highly proficient at it). I got all my Calc books in Braille, and it helped tremendously when it came to drilling problems. Even try to get your exams in Braille, although I didn't do this.I worked with a scribe who was also a senior mathematics major. He used the Draftsman to delineate graphics to me.Above mentioned scribe was also my notetaker. He was quite familiar with LaTeX and would author his notes ultimately in a simple Tex file. I would then use Duxbury to translate into Braille which worked flawlessly. I then used my Braille display to read all of his notes.As far as output, he quite literally was the ultimate scribe. If I could either describe to him the shapes I wanted him to draw, or if I could draw a simple sketch on the Draftsman, he would just draw it on regular paper that would eventually be handed into the professor. The same goes for my mathematical work. I would do the work on my Braille display and then tell him my work.I found this to be the smoothest workflow in my undergraduate course load. I got an A in Calc 1 and an A+ in Calc 2 where the overall average grade in the latter was somewhere around a 65-70%. It was precisely because of having access to someone who knew their stuff really well that I was able to avoid the burden of learning the discipline and patience for reading and writing the math on my own. It's taxing, stressful, and has the potential to deeply interfere with the learning process. I have done very well in math because I was so focused on the material. Now, others have found workflows that seemed to have worked, so I'm not contending the "highway or my way" nonsense, but if it is possible, try to find someone (in college) who knows their stuff at an A+ level. As far as high school, I can't really offer much in the way of good advice. You're already ahead of the game in that regard, but I fear high schools lack the same amount of resources to ensure great success for blind students in STEM subjects, and this is where enrolling at a proper university would be of great benefit, so I do apologize for neglecting to offer direct advice to your College Board and other current testing issues. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607177/#p607177 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille Graph PaperDraftsman toolFilm for DraftsmanAlternatively, here is a graph board toolkitNice tool for graphing shapes and such and you can feel the paths, especially useful for demonstration purposes. It uses rubber bands, push pins, and a grid-like surface on which you can draw out paths.These items are available for purchase through quota funds, meaning government can purchase them for you with right justification.Hope this helps. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607144/#p607144 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille Graph PaperDraftsman toolFilm for DraftsmanAlternatively, here is a graph board toolkitNice tool for graphing shapes and such and you can feel the paths, especially useful for demonstration purposes. It uses rubber bands, push pins, and a grid-like surface on which you can draw out paths.These items are available for purchase through quota funds, meaning school can purchase them for you with right justification.Hope this helps. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607144/#p607144 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille Graph PaperDraftsman toolFilm for DraftsmanThese items are available for purchase through quota funds, meaning school can purchase them for you with right justification.Hope this helps. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607144/#p607144 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille No, the paper doesn't come with grids. But it does come with a ruler that clips onto the side so you can just draw your own.Depending on what you need, you can often just draw a grid yourself by drawing the two axis and using your thumb to put ticks along them to mark off the coordinates. I was told that most sighted students do that. But you can also get a lame but good enough grid by just freehand sketching it out...yeah maybe all the squares aren't the same size but what matters is that it's just vaguely close and they can tell if your answer is right.Laptops in school are what they are. I wish I could say that schools are unjustified in being skittish about giving students laptops, and it's a shame that they're applying that to us, but give a high school student a laptop at a school which probably doesn't know what a secure network is if not having one fucked them over, and bad things can happen. I knew someone in high school who could get admin on the library computers with a batch file on a thumbdrive, so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607142/#p607142 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille Hmm, interesting. I will look into getting one. Does the paper come with grids by default? I'm asking because what if I need points on the graph? Though I suppose they can be given to me in whatever format we settle on. Will have to give it some further thought.Re, having access to people who know the Braille Math, I don't actually. I got access to a Braillist who does not know Braille codes beyond Algebra II but has a reference of literally all the symbols used in Braille Mathematics, but that thing is huge and is not very intuitive to use. I'll see if I can find somebody by September, though, but even if I know the symbols there is the problem of my notetaker having a stroke any time there is *anything else* but math in the document. I seriously got to get a laptop. I already lost plenty of test answers do to random crashes where the unit would just freeze up and then reboot without saving my work. What do you know, though, every time I ask I get told that having a computer in school would be a security breech or some other, ahem, totally valid, reason like me requiring approval from the higher ups. Oh, the joys of bureaucracy URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607137/#p607137 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille Hmm, interesting. I will look into getting one. Does the paper come with grids by default? I'm asking because what if I need points on the graph? Though I suppose they can be given to me in whatever format we settle on. Will have to give it some further thought.Re, having access to people who know the Braille Math, I don't actually. I got access to a Braillist who does not know Braille codes beyond Algebra II but has a reference of literally all the symbols used in Braille Mathematics, but that thing is huge and is not very intuitive to use. I'll see if I can find somebody by September, though, but even if I know the symbols there is the problem of my notetaker having a stroke any time there is *anything else* but math in the document. I seriously got to get a laptop. I already lost plenty of test answers do to random crashes where the unit would just freeze up and then reboot without saving my work. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607137/#p607137 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille Hmm, interesting. I will look into getting one. Does the paper come with grids by default? I'm asking because what if I need points on the graph? Though I suppose they can be given to me in whatever format we settle on. Will have to give it some further thought.Re, having access to people who know the Braille Math, I don't actually. I got access to a Braillist who does not know Braille codes beyond Algebra II but has a reference of literally all the symbols used in Braille Mathematics, but that thing is huge and is not very intuitive to use. I'll see if I can find somebody by September, though, though even if I know the symbols there is the problem of my notetaker having a stroke any time there is *anything else* but math in the document. I seriously got to get a laptop. I already lost plenty of test answers do to random crashes where the unit would just freeze up and then reboot without saving my work. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607137/#p607137 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille Hmm, interesting. I will look into getting one. Does the paper come with grids by default? I'm asking because what if I need points on the graph? Though I suppose they can be given to me in whatever format we settle on. Will have to give it some further thought.Re, having access to people who know the Braille Math, I don't actually. I got access to a Braillist who has a reference of literally all the symbols used in Braille Mathematics, but that thing is huge and is not very intuitive to use. I'll see if I can find somebody by September, though, though even if I know the symbols there is the problem of my notetaker having a stroke any time there is *anything else* but math in the document. I seriously got to get a laptop. I already lost plenty of test answers do to random crashes where the unit would just freeze up and then reboot without saving my work. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607137/#p607137 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille Hmm, interesting. I will look into getting one. Does the paper come with grids by default? I'm asking because what if I need points on the graph? Though I suppose they can be given to me in whatever format we settle on. Will have to give it some further thought. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607137/#p607137 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille No error in communication. I was just giving advice as I have taken high level math courses in college. And also, might serve as some pointers of when indeed you do end up in college. I'm not sure where you are located, but in my response, I pointed to the fact that, at least in the US, you should have a much easier time getting access to Braille material in k-12 public schooling. That still doesn't make the subjects easier by any means. However, if you have access to teachers of the visually impaired or something similar, you can certainly talk to them about your options.I feel my techniques for graphs are still applicable. Buying a draftsman and graph paper are still a good way to go. I also had an Orion TI-84 Plus with the talking module, which can provide some assistance such as telling you intercepts, stats evaluations, etc.Also, getting ahead of your class does wonders sometimes. I know it takes effort, but reading from free textbooks like the ones on openstax, and familiarizing yourself with notation, even with a Braille display if you have one, will help you minimize challenges in understanding when the time comes around in dealing with the material.And another tip, I found that watching videos on Khan Academy helped solidify understanding of things. Just listening to them will help a little. And I hope you have access to Nemeth Braille material. Because UEB Math Braille is not so great. I co-authored a CSUN paper with some justifications from a Computer Science perspective on that topic with respect to developing mathematical software that supports Braille IO. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607134/#p607134 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille I mean, look at this the other way. The reason we all thought you were in college is that most high school students don't take Calculus in high school, at least in America (which is where I assume you are). SO even if this fails utterly you're already ahead of most. You can probably make all of this work out, at least for the math stuff, though idk about coding in braille. You've probably got access to people who know the Nemeth you need to learn, so it is likely at least practical.The Draftsman is amazing. The only downside is that the paper is expensive and not reusable. Something like $7 for 25 sheets, so not terrible, but you won't want to waste it. You set it up and draw on it with the stylus that comes with it or even a regular pencil, and raised lines happen. It's enough that I was graphing trigonometry homework in high school as fast as sighted students. It doesn't do the weird "actually the graph is on the other side of the paper and you can't see it until you're done" thing. The graphs are more durable than braille, while being about the same quality. They feel a little bit like those plastic graphs from textbooks. I've used it for calculus stuff, physics stuff, all sorts of things. I discovered it because the high school was using it to teach other students handwriting. It's even sensitive to pressure, in the sense that if you press lightly you get lighter/thinner lines, so you can literally even shade with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607135/#p607135 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille No error in communication. I was just giving advice as I have taken high level math courses in college. And also, might serve as some pointers of when indeed you do end up in college. I'm not sure where you are located, but in my response, I pointed to the fact that, at least in the US, you should have a much easier time getting access to Braille material in k-12 public schooling. That still doesn't make the subjects easier by any means. However, if you have access to teachers of the visually impaired or something similar, you can certainly talk to them about your options.I feel my techniques for graphs are still applicable. Buying a draftsman and graph paper are still a good way to go. I also had an Orion TI-84 Plus with the talking module, which can provide some assistance such as telling you intercepts, stats evaluations, etc.Also, getting ahead of your class does wonders sometimes. I know it takes effort, but reading from free textbooks like the ones on openstax, and familiarizing yourself with notation, even with a Braille display if you have one, will help you minimize challenges in understanding when the time comes around in dealing with the material.And another tip, I found that watching videos on Khan Academy helped solidify understanding of things. Just listening to them will help a little. And I hope you have access to Nemeth Braille material. Because UEB Braille is not so great. I co-authored a CSUN paper with some justifications from a Computer Science perspective on that topic with respect to developing mathematical software that supports Braille IO. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607134/#p607134 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille I appreciate the advice given here, but it seems like we have an error in communication. I am still in high school. I will take Physics C and Calc BC in high school. The tests will not be graded by my teachers, rather, sent off to some automated center for the MCQ (multiple choice questions) and graded by human graders with rubrics that literally say "Add 1 point for using an integral function." "add 1 point only if the curve on the graph reflects the ratio of acceleration to time." It's very specific. Even if they see something like int(a, b, function), and even if they know that it probably means integral, the key word here is probably. I also, like I said, have no clew on if they would require me to draw a graph. The day to day lessons I have no issues with, I commonly use shorthand do to being restricted to braille (my Braillesense conveniently doesn't support Nemyth even if it was advertised by Hims), but I have no powers of negotiation with the college board. It's like the SAT but worse if anyone remembers that.I suppose I could just take the course, but then I'd just have to sit through Calculous my freshmen year in college and be bored out of my mind... again. Not that I am complaining, okay I am, but I would hate to be locked out of an opportunity to get ahead only because I'm blind and cannot conform to the sheer idiocy of the rules.I don't actually have an account on Wickipedia, guess it's time to make one. That wouldn't solve my high school issues, though, College Board currently has not approved me using a laptop for their exams. Even if they do, there comes that tiny concern of how would they do math (if it's anything like the SAT, it's going to be in a word file). So, it's probably going to work with NVDA? Probably? It always seems to go wrong though, so who knows.@camlorn, mind expanding on the Draftsman, its uses, limitations, etc? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607127/#p607127 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille You don't use Mathplayer with LaTeX much. Mathplayer barely works on high level math content, nevermind if you're in one of the large minority of people for whom installing it doesn't work.You can learn LaTeX just by reading examples, e.g. anything math on Wikipedia if you log in and change the renderer in the settings. I knew LaTeX as that Wikipedia math thing before I even knew it had a name. The way I did it was to use Mathtype with Word, normal word stuff for anything not math, LaTeX snippets inline for math with mathtype converting them. But learning to typeset properly isn't that much harder. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607119/#p607119 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille Yeah, I will be facing such things soon, very soon indeed. I have known I'll be doing a cs degree for a very long time, since highschool I'd say. However, I kind of postponed this untill the last moment, since I DK even now how to approach it. So, where can I learn latex? Is it as long and verbose as I herd it is? If so, how do or did you guys manage to complete the exams in time since it's so tedious to write by hand? or do you have something like autocomplete in vs or some excel like functions and templates to generate a good amount of the most verbose parts? lastly, how do you read it? I know you use mathplayer, sure, but can it interpret latex, or should I convert it to math ml? Lastly, I herd mathplayer has some problems with installing and uninstalling it, some com component isn't deregistered and the registry key can then be used as a backdoor by malware. Is this correct? and isn't mathtype paid, aren't equations hard to write in word as well, maybe even harder than latex?Unfortunately, braille in math isn't an option for me, as the tutors in primary school didn't teach us enough of it. I went to a mainstream school since fifth grade, so that's why I only use braille for ordinary text and only when I feel like it, I prefer speech over anything else tbh. You know, it'd be quite a shame if I couldn't take the cs degree due to these things, as I was and still am particularely good at math in highschool.Now, luckily for me, I don't want to follow the electrics and stuff, since I am going for a math/informatics profile anyway, though there are still accessibility problems I am furiously thinking how to solve.So, in my country, we blind or in any other way disabled people don't have as many rights as in the USA, and here were you USA guys claiming it's hard for you, just live here for a month, and you'll desperately want your accessibility things back, never ever saying they're too expensive, that people don't do enough just the bare minimum to pass by that law, and never, never that you really have it hard.So, to clear things up, we have some rights, but due to the way they're implemented and some other factors that'd rather belong to the society, they aren't ever truely useful. For example, we get a kind of ssi too, but it's petifully small...like, it isn't quite enough to pay ones bills for the month with it, needless to speak about food and stuff. Why it happens, I DK, but it's weird...I actually do kind of have my own view about why this is how it is, but I am not gonna go into politics here, so suffice it to say it's obscure.Next, almost nothing is paid by the state, not even jaws for those who still use it.Furthermore, there is no accessibility policy thing like in the usa, telling app makers who sell to the state to make their thing accessible. So, if my online school works with software that has some accessibility pieces by accident and not design, I could well sue them and be as likely to winn as lose. There are some rules about accessibility here, like materials need to be adapted according to the person's dissability, but they're so loosly written and they leave plenty places a bit open to interpretation imho.Well, another thing would be to make reasonable conversation with those leading the college I want to go to in advance, and that's what I did. However, I got a response like we've never had blind people here and blah...blah...blah. Then, they said they don't have any special tools or whatever to work with the blind at all, and that I can go, but they can't guarantee I would have good accessibility. Then, when I tried explaining, like a reasonable man in normal conversation, that they won't have to do many things, just give me some understanding regarding, for example, the time limit for exams, the fakt I need a comp equipped with a synth in the lab or to be able to bring my own computer, or that if this isn't possible, to let me record the lectures, I even suggested it would be good if they could give me the latex sources of courses with math, so that I could understand them better and at my own pase. I got some let's call them no, get away... kind of answers. For example, they invoked the privacy protection and data blah blah blah eu legislation about recording, saying that all teachers I want to record must agree with it, and somehow implying that they won't, or is this only me? Next, they said they can't be sure the nvda or any other such program doesn't have some viruses or spying backdoors or whatever in them, and going as far as to suggest I could use those backdoors my self to give me some advantages and shit. Then, about my comp in the lab, they said something about security and that they can't really let a non-institution provided comp connect to their software and networks because it might open them to volnerabilities. OK, I might agree with them on the last one, but seriously, how the hell can one think assistive
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille I didn't read through all of your post, as I skipped right to the questions.But to answer them in a sort of haphazard kind of way, here I go.I went through high level math in courses such as Calculus 1 through 3, Differential Equations, Analysis, number theory, etc etc. I know different universities call their courses differently sometimes, but I minored in math, and for that, I took almost all the courses a regular math major would take, except for maybe 2 or 3 extra courses usually taken by a fourth year undergraduate math student.I know many people will push back when I say this, but learn LaTeX. Braille is certainly a way to go, but there is no guarantee that you can get access to all the material you'll need in Braille. While still in regular k-12 schooling, we have more room to ask for things and have help from Braille specialists. Once you get to higher education, however, things aren't so straightforward.So there is my partial answer. For much of my work, I used LaTeX and had no problems with 1.5 testing time. For graphs, I bought tactile graph paper and the draftsman tool from APH for non-graph shapes. BTW, I was also Electrical Engineering major, so that definitely came in handy for my circuit work.Graph paper came in handy for both creating and receiving graphs. Close communication with professors came in handy for sure!As for notetaking, I just used a laptop and wrote in my own little notation for taking notes, int for integral, lim for limits, etc. Pretty much adopting LaTeX format.Also, and this is kind of me cheating, but I was actually working for a publishing company while in college, and at the time, I just so happened to be working as a main developer on a math tool that served as an editor of equations, and I leveraged it to generate math notations for me for things like homework assignments.I wouldn't say Braille is obsolete when it comes to math. In fact, if you can ever get math under your fingers, it's a refreshing feeling and helps dissect equations a bit faster, at least for me.But I have to say, if you want more independence, really try to stick to using a Laptop.I will warn you though, Physics is a bit more complicated. If I had to pick which courses to hire a reader for, I would definitely recommend it for Physics courses. But definitely someone who knows Physics. It's not so difficult for the first few semesters in courses like Mechanics or Electricity and Magnitism, but once you get into higher level Physics, find a partner or a reader. Of course, this assumes you'll be doing a lot of these courses.Anyway, these are the answers I can provide for now. Hope this helps even a little. If this was a few years ago, I would have even offered to help you learn some of these things. However, I can no longer dedicate myself to that task. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607058/#p607058 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille Graphing can be done with some success with something like the Draftsman from APH, plus understanding from your professor. You want a draftsman even if it means selling your soul.In higher level mathematics, the easiest way to get around the scribe problem is to learn to typeset LaTeX. Mathplayer is really shitty, but Mathplayer plus Mathtype for Word can let you type math equations into a word document and have a reasonable chance of proofing them.If you have to use a scribe, make the school give you a scribe that knows enough mathematics to scribe it properly. If they won't, you have so much ammunition it's not even funny.Braille does become obsolete at these levels, yes. I would never particularly want to code in Braille. But for math it's still kind of the only way to actually work the problem. You shouldn't ever really be afraid to just invent your own contractions and things--I always did integral as int(a, b, function) like it was source code, and then just dropped the bounds and integral sign for the entirety of the problem after that. Even with the contractions, yes, the equations will be 60+ cells.If you learn to write LaTeX you can also learn to read LaTeX, which is sometimes a good way to get a test. If this is a standardized test you're probably stuck with braille, but in college sometimes professors use it and can give it to you on request. I managed to do daily multivariable calculus quizzes that way in class without needing extra time, surprisingly. But multivariable calculus is kind of nice because it dropped a lot of the algebra, at least in my case.Not sure what to tell you about them trying to force Braille code down your throat. There are actually coders who use braille displays. I've never understood why, it seems horribly, horribly inefficient and I am a proficient enough braille reader that if there's some saving grace I'd have expected to find it. Maybe just never bothering to learn how to make synths go fast. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607047/#p607047 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille facing the same thing here at hie school. i have no idea how university is going to be like in the next yearr to be honest, especially when their is know one i know in my country that went through the same path or how did they even handled itthe reason because i chose the stream which is math and physics because i obviously don't want to study history and literature or languages for that matter, and i will have to probably face the same thing on the final exames, which are 10 exames in 5 days, i'll have to have someone write the answeres for me, sence their is tipicly no hie schools for blind people to teech these subjects that i know of. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607042/#p607042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille facing the same thing here at hie school. i have no idea how university is going to be like in the next yearr to be honest, especially when their is know one i know in my country that went through the same path or how did they even handled itthe reason because i chose the stream which is math and physics because i obviously don't want to study history and literature or languages for that matter, and i will have to probably face the same thing on the final exames, which are 10 exames in 5 days, i'll have to have someone write the answeres for me, sence their is tipicly no hie schools to teech these subjects that i know of. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607042/#p607042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille facing the same thing here at hie school. i have no idea how university is going to be like in the next yearr to be honest, especially when their is know one i know in my country that went through the same path or how did they even handled it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607042/#p607042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
Re: An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille facing the same thing here at hie school. i have no idea how inversity is going to be like in the next yearr to be honest, especially when their is know one i know in my country that went through the same path URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607042/#p607042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille
An inquiry about Mathematics courses and Braille This post is quite lengthy. Read from the bottom to see the questions if you're short on time.As I was glancing through this room, this topic drew my attention. I, too, have questions, though not precisely over Stats.Next year, I will most likely take Calculous BC. Essentially, it's a semester of Calc AB and then another of BC and AB combined. Don't ask me why or for what purpose... the point is that in order to actually receive college credit I have to take a test at the end of the year. The problem? The damn thing is timed (1 and a half extended time for me). Another problem? Braille. I looked up some calculous symbols, and the integral function came to mind. It looks harmless, just the contraction for "the" (dots 2 3 4 6), but it became downright horrid when superimposed on a rectangle (don't ask me what "superimposed" does to the function, that's how it was titled in the reference). The once harmless symbol somehow grew to span 5 Braille cells, and that is without considering the points in a graph because integrals can apparently go from 2 to 7 or something (don't rip on me for getting it wrong, this is what I recall from a conversation with my future to be Calc teacher). So, five Braille cells. I'm frankly scared to see the sheer stupidity of the equations including multiple functions. I thought Nemyth exponents and radicals were bad (I had a 4 line equation once), but this seems like it would blow those lines out of the water. Not only that, but I would have to write out free response questions, which again, I don't think I would have an issue solving, but I cannot imagine myself ever becoming proficient in the horror which is higher level Braille for math.Then, to compound the problem, I will be also taking Physics C, which from what I understand is a recap of Physics I (linear and rotational kinematics, energies, momentum, etc) and removing the constancy from said problems, I.e, a car accelerates with a varying rate in a given timeframe. It would no longer be V=V(0)t+1/2at^2 but something else which I do not yet know. In some retrospect, Physics is going to be a bit more harder do to introducing Greek letters into the mix, and it also brings up the point for notation. My notetaker does not have the slightest capability of typing 2 epsilon alpha theta... or any Greek letter, for that matter. I'm getting by right now do to me and my physics teacher agreeing on a specific code (I.e, A=alpha), but the problem is that College Board, the entity responsible for giving me the pass and a college credit, will mark such notations incorrect.I typically have a scribe for these types of tests, but said individual has never taken any of said classes beforehand. It would be unfair for me to fail if she doesn't know how to draw symbols, and we can't look stuff up because all of the technology must be off the internet. That, and I also have the issue of time, which gives me around 1 hour and 30 minutes for 6 Free Responses with A through I (it may vary slightly, but in general, some parts have subsections, I.e, C(I), D(II), and make up for the irregularity when you add them all up).My final dilemma regarding the courses is graphs and, yup, graphing. I am able to negotiate with my instructors the necessary flexibility (typically I just write out a description which includes key graph features such as asymptotes, intercepts, curves, etc)., but once again, I have no such leverage when it comes to the "standardized" (notice the sarcasm with the inclusion of quotes) tests. Again, I can ask my scribe to draw the pictures, but I can't guarantee their accuracy, labeling, or anything of the sort. Also, though I do have access to Brailling services, graph production is typically pretty slow and is generally not the top quality. The tone graphing mentioned in the topic I've linked to confuses the ever living hell out of me, and my notetaker's graphing works so well that it should be taken off the advertised list of features for its, ahem, clarity and ease of use.I'm almost done... almost. The main problem is the fact that, even if we somehow resolve the previous dilemmas, we still won't know until the test date how College Board does its tests. Yup. You read it right. There are no practice Braille materials, no list of generalized "here's what you can expect this to look like" statements, no info besides "You get Braille..." So, for instance, I am taking a Computer Science exam for college credit. Apart for having to read code in Braille and type it out on a notetaker which has a chance of crashing without a good reason (yes, it's the newest, and the greaters from Hims - Inc) I have no clew how it looks. Is it going to be contracted? Is it going to be indented? How are they going to separate lines greater than page length (It's Java, so it's very common to see this.someObscureName.someOtherThing(someUnknownParamet
