Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia Well Aaron the stupid thing is even when i tried! to put a reference, to in fact the audiogames.net page that I myself wrote, I couldnt do so due to their stupid captures. I actually think someone aught to contact whoever is responsable for wikipedia and point out that they are being very unfare to Vi people and anyone can edit is indeed the biggest and fattest load of rubbish, what it should say is anyone who can get past our stupid captures and is a member of the wiki nazis can edit URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=187853#p187853 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia I disagree defender, both because getting rid of spambots really isnt as bad a task as you think (Ive been doing it myself for about 8 years now), and secondly because there are indeed some very workable audio alternatives. As you pointed out yourself, if webvison can work out captures spambots can which means the graphics and ocr are indeed in favour of not working with that sort of software, even if it didnt come with crappy firefox.Btw, supernova should theoretically work with firefox, or at least it did with past versions, the thing just seems an unstable , badly put together, memory hogging pile of rubbish to me.Either way to get this back on track, has anyone contacted Wikipedia about improving their content regarding audio games? as I said Id appreciate if people looked into doing this one way or another, sinse it seems a dam shame that games like A dar k room get entries and access isnt mentioned, even when the games clearly mention it themselves, and as for their article on audio games? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184833#p184833 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia Hi,@defender: Ive atually never been able to get webvissum to work. Im in the UK, and even though Im logged in, it just says cant conect, or in the rare cases it works it always seems to fail, which is a shame.Regarding wikipedia, Ive noticed lately that they seem to want mroe professional looking articles, so yeh, so much for anyone can edit. Im acutally wondering if thres anything we can do about this though, if its worth a few of us banding together to try to create an article with propper references and all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184852#p184852 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
2014-08-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia HiThats too bad about your Firefox issue dark,Jaws does work better of it as of the newer versions, JFW13.0 and above, but your right NVDA is better with it.I dont know about web vism not working on some captchas, its never happened to me but its still OCR and its still automated, its what we got... At least for free and for firefox.I only think they are needed because no one has the time or energy to get rid of so many spam posts, especially on bigger sites, after a while people are going to have to be devoted specifically to that on bigger sites, and it will detract from the work ethic of sites with not as many people to spare, making them not want to deal with more important things like additions to the site and fare moderation.Spam bots are getting smarter every day, and more, well, spammy, too, so I think there needs to be a good first step to get rid of allot of the less powerful bo ts at the door.Still the audio captchas do suck as well, at least the current wave, and really this hole thing is just a short term fix anyway, screen annollizing software gets better, same with audio, hell if you can do it automatically with web vism which isnt even a big operation at all, then bots can do it just fine.Id rather have a captcha that has a very high chance of being solved by a free program than not having that resource at all because it got smashed with spam from every direction and people couldnt keep up. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184793#p184793 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
2014-08-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia HiThats too bad about your Firefox issue dark,Jaws does work better of it as of the newer versions, JFW13.0 and above, but your right NVDA is better with it.I dont know about web vism not working on some captchas, its never happened to me but its still OCR and its still automated, its what we got... At least for free and for firefox.I only think they are needed because no one has the time or energy to get rid of so many spam posts, especially on bigger sites, after a while people are going to have to be devoted specifically to that on bigger sites, and it will detract from the work ethic of sites with not as many people to spare, making them not want to deal with more important things like additions to the site and fare moderation.Spam bots are getting smarter every day, and more, well, spammy, too, so I think there needs to be a good first step to get rid of allot of the less powerful bo ts at the door.Still the audio captchas do suck as well, at least the current wave, and really this hole thing is just a short term fix anyway, screen annollizing software gets better, same with audio, hell if you can do it automatically with web vism which isnt even a big operation at all, then bots can do it just fine.Id still rather have a captcha that has a very high chance of being solved by a free program than not having that resource at all because it got smashed with spam from every direction and people couldnt keep up though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184793#p184793 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
2014-08-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Socheat via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia Hi,@DarkHow about using webvisum? does it work with this site? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184387#p184387 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia I cant use webvision because firefox constantly crashes on me, and besides web vision only seems to work about %40 of the time anyway, which is why no game that requires a graphical capture will get a db page unless there is an alternative, either audio or mailing the developer for an account. frankly this is wikipedias problem to solve. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184399#p184399 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
2014-08-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia HiOkay, dark!Im very sorry but I cant, take, it, any, more!Number 1.Its not a capture. its a captcha, captcha, captcha, captcha, captcha!C. A. P. T. C. H. A.It stands for Completely Automatic Public Turing Test to Tell Computers and Humans Apart.Im sorry, I just, its happened for so, so, long, and, and, I couldnt take it any more! aaa!And I dont like them at all either but they do serve a purpose.Number 2.Do you use Firefox?If not, please press the self destruct button on your keyboard, right? about. now!I know Firefox isnt perfect but none of them are, and but it is the best on accessibility, it has a huge amount of extentions, many of which are quite accessible, it works perfectly with NVDA, Window Eyes, Ja ws 13.0 and higher, and others that I havent used personally, but have heard they work just fine.Assuming you have Firefox because your sane, go get the Web Vism for Firefox extention, here.http://www.webvisum.com/Sign up for a free account, download and install the extention through Firefox, log in, adjust your options from the tools menu in the Firefox menu bar, use the shortcuts that are there already or make your own, disable or enable what features you want, if you want to just have it around for captchas you can do that, you can even log in on the fly if you dont want it to start up when ever.Theres online help, and I believe built in as well, but its pretty simple, you select text, hit the shortcut, wait a little while not long, and if for some reason it fails, try maximizing the window and or going full screen, the result will be in your clipboard.Even th ough the captcha solving part is great, the rest can be really useful too, just be careful what you do so you dont get rid of things you might need on web pages.Number 3.I for one would love more Wikipedia articles about audio games, I just wish I had the skills to write one correctly my self.Sorry if I pissed anyone off, I was mostly joking, but I have to admit that it has indeed driven me a bit crazy... lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184470#p184470 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
2014-08-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia HiOkay, dark!Im very sorry but I cant, take, it, any, more!Number 1.Its not a capture. its a captcha, captcha, captcha, captcha, captcha!C. A. P. T. C. H. A.It stands for Completely Automatic Public Turing Test to Tell Computers and Humans Apart.Im sorry, I just, its happened for so, so, long, and, and, I couldnt take it any more! aaa!And I dont like them at all either but they do unfortunately serve a purpose.Number 2.This isnt really aimed at you Dark youve been having crashing issues with Firefox, which do happen with some more than others, but getting the memory fox extention can help with that, as well as the database vacuum thingy I forgot the name, that compresses your Firefox databases, plus, webvism is way more ef fective than that for 99 percent of people, so I suggest the options for helping with that below.O, and its not web vision.its Webvism, Webvism, Webvism, Webvism, Webvism!W. E. B. V. I. s:. M.The word vism means something in latin I think.Anyway, you get the point, so on with number 2...Do you use Firefox?If not, please press the self destruct button on your keyboard, right? about. now!I know Firefox isnt perfect but none of them are, and but it is the best on accessibility, it has a huge amount of extentions, many of which are quite accessible, it works perfectly with NVDA, Window Eyes, Jaws 13.0 and higher, and others that I havent used personally, but have heard they work just fine.Assuming you have Firefox because your sane, go get the Web Vism for Firefox extention, here.http://www.webvisum.com/Sign up for a free account, download and install the extention through Firefox, log in, adjust your options from the tools menu in the Firefox menu bar, use the shortcuts that are there already or make your own, disable or enable what features you want, if you want to just have it around for captchas you can do that, you can even log in on the fly if you dont want it to start up when ever.Theres online help, and I believe built in as well, but its pretty simple, you select text, hit the shortcut, wait a little while not long, and if for some reason it fails, try maximizing the window and or going full screen, the result will be in your clipboard.Even though the captcha solving part is great, the rest can be really useful too, just be careful what you do so you dont get rid of things you might need on web pages.Number 3.I for one would love more Wi kipedia articles about audio games, I just wish I had the skills to write one correctly my self.Sorry if I pissed anyone off, I was mostly joking, but I have to admit that it has indeed driven me a bit crazy... lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184470#p184470 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
2014-08-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia HiOkay, dark!Im very sorry but I cant, take, it, any, more!Number 1.Its not a capture. its a captcha, captcha, captcha, captcha, captcha!C. A. P. T. C. H. A.It stands for Completely Automatic Public Turing Test to Tell Computers and Humans Apart.Im sorry, I just, its happened for so, so, long, and, and, I couldnt take it any more! aaa!And I dont like them at all either but they do unfortunately serve a purpose.Number 2.This isnt really aimed at you Dark youve been having crashing issues with Firefox, which do happen with some more than others, but getting the memory fox extention can help with that, as well as the database vacuum thingy I forgot the name, that compresses your Firefox databases, plus, webvism is way m ore effective than that for 99 percent of people, so I suggest the options for helping with that below.O, and its not web vision.its Webvism, Webvism, Webvism, Webvism, Webvism!W. E. B. V. I. s:. M.The word vism means something in latin I think.Anyway, you get the point, so on with number 2...Do you use Firefox?If not, please press the self destruct button on your keyboard, right? about. now!I know Firefox isnt perfect but none of them are, and but it is the best on accessibility, it has a huge amount of extentions, many of which are quite accessible, it works perfectly with NVDA, Window Eyes, Jaws 13.0 and higher, and others that I havent used personally, but have heard they work just fine.Assuming you have Firefox because your sane, go get the Web Vism for Firefox extention, here.http://www.webvisum.com/Sign up for a free account, download and install the extention through Firefox, log in, adjust your options from the tools menu in the Firefox menu bar, use the shortcuts that are there already or make your own, disable or enable what features you want, if you want to just have it around for captchas you can do that, you can even log in on the fly if you dont want it to start up when ever.Theres online help, and I believe built in as well, but its pretty simple, you select text, hit the shortcut, wait a little while not long, and if for some reason it fails, try maximizing the window and or going full screen, the result will be in your clipboard.Even though the captcha solving part is great, the rest can be really useful too, just be careful what you do so you dont get rid of things you might need on web pages.Number 3.I for one would love m ore Wikipedia articles about audio games, I just wish I had the skills to write one correctly my self.Sorry if I pissed anyone off, I was mostly joking, but I have to admit that it has indeed driven me a bit crazy... lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184470#p184470 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia Got to admit, I like Capture better. Its oppression, plain and simple. The robots are winning!!! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184481#p184481 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
2014-08-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : stewie via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia Firefox is very accessible, but that is the case only if your using certain screenreaders, NVDA being the primary example that comes to mind. Screenreaders such as jaws tend to crash horribly with it occasionally, at least according to a few people Ive spoken to about the subject. Also web visum fails spectacularly to work with some capchas. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184497#p184497 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
2014-08-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : stewie via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia Firefox is very accessible, but that is the case only if your using certain screenreaders, NVDA being the primary example that comes to mind. Screenreaders such as jaws tend to crash horribly with it occasionally, at least according to a few people Ive spoken to about the subject. Also web visum fails spectacularly to work with some captchas. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184497#p184497 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
2014-08-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Socheat via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia I know, like the yahoo site. the webvisum didnt work with it either. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184515#p184515 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia I now use Rumola, in Safari; is that not accessible with Firefox too? Someone should try it out. Paid service, but cheap. Dont like to think where the working is coming from. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184526#p184526 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia I now use Rumola, in Safari; is that not accessible with Firefox too? Someone should try it out. Paid service, but cheap. Dont like to think where the work is coming from. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184526#p184526 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia Well firefox crashes like a bastard with me five seconds after I start the thing, not to mention slowing my pc down like hell, so meh! it capture is about right as sebby said however it is spelt sinse it is an imprisoning thing, and to be honest your above post (which verged on the insulting), isnt going to make me want! to change anything about how I write anyway. I actually do know it is Capcha, but I dont see the need for such a song and dance, especially sinse Ive seen them referd to as capture with a t u r e fairly often as well.Also I can affirmatively say no! the dam things arent! necessary if moderators are doing their jobs properly, look at this forum as an example, and even if they are necessary there are plenty of sound alterantives, no need for dodgy browsers and extentions that only work some of the time. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184532#p184532 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Audiogames and Wikipedia
Audiogames and Wikipedia I just checked the article for A dark room on Wikipedia, and guess what? not a dickybird about access, indeed Wikipedia is pretty bad for mentioning accessible games in general (their article on audio games is so out of date its unbelievable, particularly with its implications that all audio games need to be text based). The annoying fact is last time I tried to modify a Wikipeidia article, their page on Kingdom of Loathing to mention access in the game, my change got edited out within a day because I didnt put a propper reference I just said as noted on www.audiogames.net, which is pretty funny given that I was refering to the very Kingdom of Loathing entry I myself originally wrote! I couldnt however post a link, or even complain to the geezer whod killed my edit without going through a stupid none audio capture! Whoever created those things deserves to be boiled in a vat of rancid wee zel eurine!When games like KoL and A Dark room are both enough in the public sphere to have wikipedia articles its a dam shame that access cant be mentioned sinse that would be a great way to let Jo public know that having disfunctional eyeballs doesnt stop someone from enjoying computer games.I will admit Im not the worlds best in wiki code anyway, and I dont really have time to battle with Wikipedia, not when I have so much else that needs doing, so I put this one out to the community, especially sinse it wouldnt surprise me if some people have wikipedia editer accounts anyway (perhaps created before those stupid captures were added).Getting audiogames mentioned in wikipedia properly would be a really good thing, and if people want to start making the edits, and if necessary complaining to the powers that Wiki about their bloody captures, that would definitely help, especially when it comes to games like A dark room. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=183998#p183998 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia In fact Ive read this before, and it reminds me the old text RPGs or the old 90s games. When I first began to read the article, I read those outdated infos, so I went ahead and left the page. But the problem is: Many sighted people dont know that we have many advanced games like they have. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184005#p184005 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia Which is just why the dam thing needs modifying, but that cant happen if those stupid captures get in the way, after all its not as if there arent captures with accessible audio alternatives that could be used. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184008#p184008 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia
2014-08-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Aprone via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia Dark I have been through this very same frustration! Back when I first started making games on here, I spent hours on a very nice looking wikipedia page for audiogames. The next day, I didnt put a propper reference, and they had simply deleted the entire thing. I didnt have a backup and was too frustrated to ever go back to try again. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184020#p184020 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Audiogames and Wikipedia Yep Aprone the editers are real nazis if you dont have an account and cant explain the details, I even rewrote my bit on the kingdom of loathing page along with the link to the audiogames.net db entry then followed it with something like I cant create references because I cant sign up for an account due to the stupid inaccessible immage capture that I cannot see however once again it sunk without a trace. The editers unfortunately seem really anal these days, so much for anyone can edit . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=184026#p184026 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
