Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway @Jasioffire hopefully my thesis will be reasonable, we'll see unfortunately the university are bent on up my ability to actually finish the damnable thing but that is another story. @Afrim, John Donn is a beautiful poet, but if your struggling with meaning of the words I can see why you might have trouble, indeed this is true of a lot of poetry since much revolves around nuance and ambiguity. A friend of mine is doing a doctorate on French poetic styles which creative writing in French and I can't imagine that. Then again my lady speaks absolutely %100 fluent German having lived there for 17 years, and occasionally she's played me German songs or told me amusing German lyrics which I get once she's explained to me, indeed I can't speak german but I can sing in it, ditto with Italian (though I do at least know enough basic conversational Italian to possibly get by if I were lost in Italy). I think though singing in a given la nguage, and especially having to sing as performance can put you in touch with a little more of the rhythm and flow and meaning of things at least.Sadly I confess French isn't a language I'm particularly fond of or interested in learning, though I might have to sing in it at some point if I ever wanted to learn Hoffman. I find the syllables and tonal quality very odd in French, let alone the completely! irrational spelling (French is worse than English for not being phonetic and English is bad enough), .Btw, If anyone loves language I'd highly recommend the doctor Who audio play "ish" from Big finish. colin baker (who plays the sixth doctor), loves words (well like me he's a fan of gilbert and Sullivan's light operas), but Ish is if anything a celibration of language, heck the plot revolves aroun d a linguistic conference where "ish" proves to be an alien and sentient word with the power to remove all language from it's meaning (the plot is very nuts but if you love words it's a treat). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=316677#p316677 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway @Jasioffire hopefully my thesis will be reasonable, we'll see unfortunately the university are bent on up my ability to actually finish the damnable thing but that is another story. @Afrim, John Donn is a beautiful poet, but if your struggling with meaning of the words I can see why you might have trouble, indeed this is true of a lot of poetry since much revolves around nuance and ambiguity. A friend of mine is doing a doctorate on French poetic styles which creative writing in French and I can't imagine that. Then again my lady speaks absolutely %100 fluent German having lived there for 17 years, and occasionally she's played me German songs or told me amusing German lyrics which I get once she's explained to me, indeed I can't speak german but I can sing in it, ditto with Italian (though I do at least know enough basic conversational Italian to possibly get by if I were lost in Italy). I think though singing in a given la nguage, and especially having to sing as performance can put you in touch with a little more of the rhythm and flow and meaning of things at least.Sadly I confess French isn't a language I'm particularly fond of or interested in learning, though I might have to sing in it at some point if I ever wanted to learn Hoffman. I find the syllables and tonal quality very odd in French, let alone the completely! irrational spelling (French is worse than English for not being phonetic and English is bad enough), . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=316677#p316677 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway Hello, As a student of English, I can say English is one of the easiest languages I've had to do with. If you're taking up English as a second language, or as a third language, that is, English may be an essential requirement to begin a masters degree, or your employer wants you to have a basic level B1 of English, in this instance, English is fairly easy. But if you want to study English academically like me, that becomes a little tricky, though I can say the experience has been satisfying so far as I've learnt many things about this language and its culture. One thing I've never been able to understand; why on this planet the Opposition to the separation of the state from the Church of England should be called antidisestablishmentarianism. Couldn't they, for example, find a shorter term for such a simple decision? One work by Lewis Carroll I find particularly astounding; Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, an entertaining book for children, but amazingly elaborative in language. A book whose phrases have been quoted by numerous linguists in many case studies of language, particularly in the field of Semantics. I've read it, not to enter the world of imagination, but to experience the work you can do with language, and this book really uses language wisely, in fact more creatively than some other complicated books. On one occasion I find English difficult; literature; I spend more hours looking up special terms than actually reading the book. There are some authors whom I cannot really understand because they use language in a quite weird manner, one of them being a metaphysical English poet, called John Donne, an author I think I'll never be able to understand.I may consider learning French, one of those languages I used to dislike due to its odd writing rules and pronunciation, but to be honest, it's really melodious and it has a rich vocabulary. One language I think I'll never come to understand in terms of its vocabulary and pronunciation, that is Dutch; a mixture of Romance, Latin, Germanic, Slavic, Arabic, African, and God knows what mixture of other language families. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=316460#p316460 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway You know, I think this is the first time that I've ever heard English being called an easy language. As far as I was aware, English was considered one of the most difficult languages to learn. @Dark, that thesis sounds interesting. I'm sure it would be a good read. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=316465#p316465 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway @Dark, yeah, it isn't much better here across the pond, honestly. LOL!!! As for Esperanto, I think I remember hearing somewhere that it was meant to be a global language. Of course, I don't think it caught on. To this day, I think that English still remains the more global language. I'd say that it's because of its versatility, but I know very well that it's because English speaking countries at the moment serve as the current powerhouses of the world. LOL!!! Much in the way Latin used to be the chief language back when the Roman Empire was the major power in the world. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=316446#p316446 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway Yay for natural languages that give us headaches with all of these lexical choices ... Now let's all go learn Esperanto and these problems will disappear because we will all use very limited vocabularies.Disclosure: This post is of course sarcastic, though I do think learning Esperanto is beneficial for everyone. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=316407#p316407 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway I am not that keen on the z pronowns, they sound a bit harsh for an English sentence and are a bit too alien. One woman I did hear actually wrote a book with one character who was entirely called @they@ throughout the narrative on the basis she didnj't want to reveal the person's gender, but apparently this made the book feel very clunky to read. That is why I rather liked Pohl's solution of simply dropping the first letters and taking one each of the possessives.Yaknow sounds a bit too American for my liking,since usually in English English only the uglier, shorter dialects tend to shorten you to ya, it's part of the local Nottingham accent that I killed, so I wouldn't wand yaknow to stand in for yine. Yine is actually a nice word in itself and it's one my wife and I do use together, albeit I don't know how many people would get what we're talking about. Another word which I really wish had a bit ; definition is the word @love@ it's a catch all term that covers so much of a conceptual mess that it's unbelievable. then again, even if you separate out the griek agape, i.e love of one's neighbor or ethical love, Philos, i.e, liking or friendship, and eros, i.e, erotic sexual love, you still end up with such a huge quag mire in each term. Eg, is a happily married couple experiencing philos or Eros? and if you @love@ a friend is that Philos or Agape? What if you @love@ a computer game or a book or an author's work? And it's still worse when "Love" becomes a verb which can relate to anything from a relationship, to a deep liking, to physical love making. it would be nice to separate all oof these concepts out, but while there have been some pretty good attempts, most people don't pay too much attention to them, heck these days most people just go with "I heart" and leave it at that . then again before I go on a big rant about people these days having a reduced vocabulary due to prevalence of text speak low attention spans of readers causing description to be a dirty word in writing terms methinks I'd better stop. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=316330#p316330 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway
Re: English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway For a brief moment circa 2014, made-up gender-neutral pronouns, such as zhe/zir/zirs looked like they might catch on. Then everyone gave up and settled on singular they, somewhy. People do seem to say "yes and no", sometimes, but I get the impression the nuance is different. And yain is just shorter. English does have a few other affirmations... but those doan't seem to portment very well, either. Neah, nye, nea... Neah isn't taken when spelled like that, but "nah" is already a negative. Aea? Yeo? Noes would be kinda tricky... Yeno? That might just work, you know? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=316325#p316325 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway
English seems to lack some words, but I want them anyway ... so, in the time-honored tradition, I decided to borrow from Latin. I was most interested in filling out an imaginary chart of sensory-related terms, but if anyone wants to turn this into a wordsmithing / English Stack Exchange in Miniature, have at it.(I think this is iOS's fault, but it makes formatting posts troublesome, so I'm finally complaining about it: this is a multiline text field, but braille screen input does not let me add linebreaks. This means I have to turn it off, tap the return button, find the reply box again, confirm I'm still at the end, then return to typing. It is frustrating and unwieldy and still the best accuracy/speed tradeoff without an external keyboard. ) Complete the pattern: see / hear / feel, visual / audio / tactile, optic / acoustic / haptic, sight / sound / ? you'd think this would be simple, s ince smell and taste just serve quadruple duty all over their 2/5 of the chart, but "feeling" and "touch" and "texture" don't cut it. Maybe it'd be more clear if I said "light" instead of "sight", or used them in a sentence? See/look at the sights/lights, hear/listen to the sounds, feel/touch the feelings? No, that's not right. Textures sorta works, but texture is more the tactile equivalent of color/colour and timbre. So clearly, we need a word to mean the most basic unit which can be felt via touch - the tactile limen, you could say.So, after countless minutes of research, and no pre-existing answer appearing, I dug through latin declintion tables until I found something that fit. it had to sound good in english, but make as much literal sense as possible, so I went looking for something in the passive voice. I did not know about the supline case when I started, else this might have gone quicker. Nevertheless, I found a candidate which seems to meet all of the criteria perfectly, even being an infinitive with a familiar plural.So, one sees light/lights, hears sound/sounds, and feels tactum/tacta. And someone not bothering with Latin pluralization and going with tactums isn't so bad as some of the pluralization-of-classical-words fails that are become commonplace. In this case, though, i'd expect tacta to be used at least as, if not more commonly than tactum, sorta like bacteria is more used than bacterium. And, well, light and sound can be uncountable, and infinitives kinda tend to be uncountable "so far as verbs go, at least), so we're probably good either way. Now, if only some amazingly effective innovation would make these useful... But wait, what about the Emperor? I mean... what about palpable? I didn't spend as much time on this one, so I don't really remember. Palpo / palpatum / palpatibam sound ... fun? Palpo is "i feel", (compare to tango, "I touch"). i forget the other two. (To be clear, tactum = "[that which is] to be touched".) I thought I had, like, at least 3, going in. Huh. Well, English totally needs a simple equivalent to Japanese "ne". Even French let's "n'est-ce pas" be used generically, even though it literally means "isn't it?" Now, "ain't" got generalized long ago, but personally I'd rather "ain't" be the refusal to pronounce "amn't" it started out as, so I ain't using "ain't it" for the English equivalent of "ne". Maybe I should just start speaking Canadian English... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=316297#p316297 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
