Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : fonografico2 via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

i suggest a challenge or not, depending on your perspective. use a level 65 mightauras and other level65 manamon to fitght with a evel90 master dyaz. you are not hallowed to use medical miracles or total cures, or master herbs. only use mighty herbs, sttrong and normal herbs

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Muhammad Hajjar via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

@29 and that's exactly what I was attempting to confirm at post 18.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Jayde via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Honk, you make a good point. If he had framed it as a soft lock, then yeah, it's absolutely good for teaching game design. The first time I entered this area, realized that it was possible to junk the diver's gear, I knew it was possible to soft-lock the game. It's just flawed game design, pure and simple.Where I objected was in calling it some sort of "challenge". It's not a challenge; it's a soft lock. End of story.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ficho via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

not much. it wont lode. it will just say the demmo has ended.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : DJEPIC via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Jus out of interest, what would happen if you replaced a save file of a completed demo by a save file of a game that was past that limitation in a game in the demo state?

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ficho via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

hahahahahahahahahahaha! the challenger lost! no one can defeat the master!

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Muhammad Hajjar via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

@24 that made me laugh like super crazy, and I admit, still laughing so hard even whilst righting this post. You made my day sir  

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ficho via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

hahahahahahahahahahaha! the challenger lsot! no one can defeat the master!

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : jaybird via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, today's the day you've been waiting for! Someone is about to challenge the Tangerian Master Stadium! Thousands of fans are on the edge of their seats, and all the television networks from across the country and around the world are covering this important event.Now as we take you live to the action, the challenger is almost ready to take that first fateful step, after which there's no turning back. Our challenger is ready to enter room 1 of the Master Stadium!http://www.bluegrasspals.com/Hopeless-Challenge.mp3

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Farhad Ali Bhatti via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Muhammad Hajjar wrote:Hey all,Out of boredom, thought have no specific activity to blow out here but to do this. Here comes a Manamon 2 save, but wait ... can you get out of the place you're stuck in, without reverse engineering the game, using extra software to cheat and whatnot? If you're still confused, download the save and see for yourself.I hope someone can beat me on this can you beat yourself as well?

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Honk via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

I really don't get the apparent outrage here... Challenges like this also exist for the so highly regarded pokemon franchise games.Muhammad found a so called soft lock. Stuff like this should get eliminated during quality control. Ambitious or bored players try to find it to proove a point or just out of curiosity. Sometimes these soft locks can be solved by unconventional means. People also try to find those.For me personally it's quite amusing to hear about this soft lock. It is stuff like this that teaches game devs how to account for soft lock situations. So what Muhammad did here could be mildly educational instead of enraging.Some of the frustration palpable here might come from the Corona situation, some might come from the general frustration towards Manamon 2 itself... I don't think Muhammad deserves to get the full load of it though.Edit:What sets Muhammads challenge apart from the lazily assembled unwinnable states some others have proposed here is that it is actually a soft lock from unintentional game design. The other soft locks are by design more or less. You are not supposed to win fights with unfit manamon.But you are never supposed to lose any means of transportation or map transition. So this soft lock can actually tell us something about game design if we want to listen.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Honk via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

I really don't get the apparent outrage here... Challenges like this also exist for the so highly regarded pokemon franchise games.Muhammad found a so called soft lock. Stuff like this should get eliminated during quality control. Ambitious or bored players try to find it to proove a point or just out of curiosity. Sometimes these soft locks can be solved by unconventional means. People also try to find those.For me personally it's quite amusing to hear about this soft lock. It is stuff like this that teaches game devs how to account for soft lock situations. So what Muhammad did here could be mildly educational instead of enraging.Some of the frustration palpable here might come from the Corona situation, some might come from the general frustration towards Manamon 2 itself... I don't think Muhammad deserves to get the full load of it though.Edit:What sets Muhammads challenge apart from the lazily assembled unwinnable states some others have proposed here is that it is actually a soft lock from intentional game design. The other soft locks are by design more or less. You are not supposed to win fights with unfit manamon.But you are never supposed to lose any means of transportation or map transition. So this soft lock can actually tell us something about game design if we want to listen.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-19 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Honk via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

I really don't get the apparent outrage here... Challenges like this also exist for the so highly regarded pokemon franchise games.Muhammad found a so called soft lock. Stuff like this should get eliminated during quality control. Ambitious or bored players try to find it to proove a point or just out of curiosity. Sometimes these soft locks can be solved by unconventional means. People also try to find those.For me personally it's quite amusing to hear about this soft lock. It is stuff like this that teaches game devs how to account for soft lock situations. So what Muhammad did here could be mildly educational instead of enraging.Some of the frustration palpable here might come from the Corona situation, some might come from the general frustration towards Manamon 2 itself... I don't think Muhammad deserves to get the full load of it though.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-18 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Jayde via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Do you mean that big fused stone mythical thing? Absolutely not. You could probably bring a level 10 to get it some experience, but it would die in one hit.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-18 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ficho via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

can level 10 manamon beet the guard in the cave of fates?if they can that could be an interesting challenge

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-18 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ficho via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

can level 1 manamon beet the guard in the cave of fates?

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-18 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : derekedit via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

If there's no solution or winning scenario to it though, it's just a fool's errand. The way it's framed, there's quite literally no way out of this part unless you cheat. You can't even get to where you are in this save file unless you have something on your team that can use dive. This means that you used dive in order to get here, then got rid of every known method of getting out then saved the file. You can't use the pocket copter to get out, you don't have any daedalus dust to use to get out, You don't have any mons on the team that can use dive, you don't have the diver's gear to be equipped to a water type, there are no wild encounters in this section, and there are no teleporters that will lead you out. So, you're stuck. You can't even use trades or online battles to get you out of here. So, you're stuck. That's the answer. DING DING DING DING DING! AND THE CROWD GOES WI... oh wait, never mind...

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-18 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Muhammad Hajjar via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Jayde that definitely makes sense. Maybe I've phrased it incorrectly by giving it the label "challenge", whereas I could have put it this way: Manamon 2 players, are you up for finding a solve to this? Or any phrase that could come closer to this sort. Or even maybe "Possible forced gameplay dead end in Manamon 2". That can make the discussion go in a completely different lane.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-18 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Jayde via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

I know. I had a similar thought after singling it out. Maybe it should be a level 1 Viralite instead. Or Slothing, since it has Erratic Battler and sucks anyway.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-18 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : omer via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

poor Squirmunk,

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-18 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Jayde via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

You're setting the bar awfully low. I guess it's not okay to actually have standards and to expect people to hold to them.Okay, here's a manamon 2 challenge.Beat the entire game with the following rules:1. None of your manamon can ever be higher than level 60; the instant a manamon breaks that level barrier, it must be released.2. You can't use any move with more than 60 power points, under any circumstance.3. You can't use any non-STAB move, ever, under any circumstance.4. No items in battle, except mananets.5. No trading allowed.6. If a manamon reaches 0HP for any reason, it is permanently dead and must be released. The only exception is the Chaos Ogma battle. Optionally, you may keep track of which manamon were brought to 0HP during that battle, and release them all at your earliest convenience.7. No equipment may be used or equipped. It must be left in your inventory, and may not be sold.Now, is that fun? If a random no-solution challenge is supposed to be fun because it's insoluble, does my game challenge with a considerable list of annoying impositions qualify?Also, does anyone want to play chess when all they have is their king? I promise my first five moves will be pawn moves only, to give you at least a fighting chance. Because I bet that's fun too.Or how about we play BK3 with only 1HP?Or how about we play The Gate with only one life, and no healing items?Or what about Paladin of the Sky where every single dragon-strike scroll is random every time you try to use it?What about Crazy Party with decks of only 20 actual cards, and 20 duds?I guess everyone's entitled to determine what's fun for them, but an insoluble challenge that just wastes five minutes of someone's time...how is that fun? How does that actually enrich anything, ever? The challenges I laid out above are either impossible or damn close, but at least they might be soluble. Hey, I could've plunked you down in Barren Underground with a level 1 Squirmunk, all kinds of restrictions, no items, and a one-death-ends-the-run restriction. Wouldn't that be a riot?

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-18 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Muhammad Hajjar via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

@13 Rofl thumbs up to you man  nice one to deliver, took it right out of my mouth and formed it in a pretty facetious way haha 

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : grryfindore via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Muhammad Hajjar wrote:Hey all,Out of boredom, thought have no specific activity to blow out here but to do this. Here comes a Manamon 2 save, but wait ... can you get out of the place you're stuck in, without reverse engineering the game, using extra software to cheat and whatnot? If you're still confused, download the save and see for yourself.I hope someone can beat me on this  Fun on a gaming forum? oh hell no. get serious, man. You just wasted everyone's productive time, my corporation just lost a million dollars in the 10 minutes it took me to check this out. and next time, read that huge tome of rules when you lay down a challenge.Solution: Have all your manamons faint. no reverse engineering necessary, unless there are no wild mons / encounters in that place. in which case it's unbeatable.Grryf

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Jayde via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Pretty sure it's in the Submarine Tunnel, which doesn't appear to have wild manamon in it.See, the thing about challenges is, there's usually a solution. No solution, no challenge.Imagine the following scenario:You load the save file. Your only manamon is a level 9 Owlaw, and you're standing in front of Master Dyaz.Problem: If you engage in combat, you will die instantly (Otherworld Abyss).Complications: You have 0 gold, no mananets and no healing items. All items that could be sold for gold have already been eliminated, such as rare jewels, flyers, encounter downs, treasure chest keys, equipment of all kinds, etc. Whoever made the save file junked everything. You have no other manamon in the PC, and the unknown gift was also released. Trading with anyone disqualifies the run and results in failure.Challenge: Since you can't leave Shadow Canyon, and since these manamon are a few levels higher than you, what do you do?Win condition: Beat Master DyazSolution: At level 9, it is possible for Owlaw to potentially kill a few of the manamon in the Shadow Canyon area itself. For instance, Minitaur, Thornub, maybe Ratsal. Backtrack out of the castle entirely and get to the manamon hotel. Get into random battles, saving often, and grind Owlaw several levels. Owlaw will probably have trouble taking down Skelitten and other higher-level Owlaw, but it shouldn't die in one hit to anything at this level. In doing this, you will very slowly gain gold. Eventually, you may have enough gold to start buying items from the marketplace. Your eventual objective is to catch a few more manamon and start grinding them as well. With a little time and effort, you should be able to put together a team that can take down Master Dyaz.Now -that is a challenge.Now imagine this scenario:You're given a save file where you have one level 1 Squirmunk, no gold and no items. There are no manamon in the PC, and the unknown gift has already been claimed. Trading with anyone will disqualify the run. You are not allowed to leave Requia without ending the run. You're stuck in the middle of Barren Underground somehow (remember, no items). Virtually any manamon you encounter will one-shot Squirmunk. What do you do?Answer: This isn't a challenge. Without straight-up cheating, it's not only impossible to make this scenario happen, but it's also impossible to win it. This is not a challenge. You may as well ask "is it possible to play chess against a grandmaster using only your king?". The answer is no.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Vazbol via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

because I don't have MM 2 on this comp, where is the save located? It sounds like a place with wild Manamon in it.have you tried just losing a battle?

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Muhammad Hajjar via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Calm down buddy  I know for myself that there's no solution. But my intention wasn't to waste people's time, rather I said maybe someone can find a trick or something. Don't jump the gun folks.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : derekedit via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Since I *did* download the save like a ninny, there's a Sirenea. That's it. I'm pretty sure it doesn't get dive in its moveset. So yeah, like I said, silly.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Jayde via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

The only other potential solution - and no, I'm not gonna download the save just to test this - is to check your team, what's on it, whether anything on the team can learn Dive in its moveset. Flounger can, for instance. So if you had like a level 8 Flounger and 15 level-up herbs, I'm pretty sure that would do the trick.But yeah. If there is no diver's gear, no water manamon and/or no level-up herbs or no way to put Dive on a manamon, then congratulations; you just wasted everybody's time.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : derekedit via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

This seems silly. Without divers gear and daedalus dust I don't think you can. Congratulations is in order though, I guess. You got some people to download it and take a look at least, so there's that. I think it's assumed a player wouldn't toss the very thing they needed in order to get to this point, so there's that too, I guess.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ficho via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

what manamon are in the tunnel? maybe there is one that can use dive.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Corona via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Normally when you make a challenge is because there are a solution... just saying, you just droped the diver's gear 

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Arthur via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

No, you can't leave this place normally.No daedalus dust, no dive, no diver's gear, impossible.Guess you just entered there and tossed diver's gear, lol. But no, you can't leave, that's obvious.

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : manamon_player via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

I hope I had the full version, then I would see

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Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ficho via Audiogames-reflector


  


Re: Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

i DON'T THINK SO.

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Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

2020-10-17 Thread AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Muhammad Hajjar via Audiogames-reflector


  


Manamon 2 players, are you up for this challenge?

Hey all,Out of boredom, thought have no specific activity to blow out here but to do this. Here comes a Manamon 2 save, but wait ... can you get out of the place you're stuck in, without reverse engineering the game, using extra software to cheat and whatnot? If you're still confused, download the save and see for yourself.I hope someone can beat me on this 

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