Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election It's all pretty disgusting.And let's not forget that the governor in Georgia - I believe it was the governor, Kemp is his name - had over three hundred thousand mostly black Georgia voters purged from the rolls earlier this year. Why? Because they moved. Most of them didn't, and some of the ones who did weren't moving out of state; in one instance, a woman moved from one room of an assisted living facility to another, but was still told she couldn't vote legally.So add it up. Black people vote largely in favour of Biden. Kemp removed a bunch of black Georgia voters from the voter rolls...just sorta because he could. And the republicans dare to cry foul, demand recounts and throw fits because they lost? Seriously, fuck all of that noise. All of it. If those hundreds of thousands of voters had still been eligible, and even a quarter of them had voted, Trump's attempts at a recount in Georgia wouldn't be twelve thousand votes shy, they'd be like seventy thousand votes shy. And that's a conservative estimate.Also, Sidney Powell is the most batshit crazy "lawyer" I have ever seen. You know it's bad when even Rudi Giuliani and Jenna Ellis are distancing themselves from her. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/592898/#p592898 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I'm just waiting for the one recount to rule them all. You know, the one that somehow declares Trump the winner. Yes, even in states where the election results have been certified. Even if they've already done a recount. This seems to be the strategy. If he keeps serving this stuff, and gets enough people to gulp it down, well, uh, who are the democrats, and the CIA, and China, and whoever else to go against the will of the people, or something. By the way, the evidence, all the evidence, quite literally every bit of the gathered evidence is all in one place. That place appears to be Parler. You'll find everything there from whistleblowers to insiders. You'll also find alleged CIA involvement along with videos linking Biden to China. Add in a random report of voting machines being dumped in swamps. Oh, and affidavits, all those affidavits. Mix well and season to taste. Though if you've really got a taste for this stuff, there's no hope for you. Though at least we're not talking about anyone's emails this time around so I guess there's that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/592877/#p592877 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Nah. a lot is of course its own term. You could have two quantities of a lot, which would be written as 2a lot. A lot times a lot is a lot squared.Which makes about as much sense as both of their ramblings at times. America (the old versus the older!) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/592866/#p592866 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @632, apparently Biden's vote count has risen to 306. Trump is still at 232. Not really sure what "a lot" is, myself... last time I checked, "a lot" was a phrase and not a mathematical result that could be calculated. Does that mean that 1 plus a lot equals a lot? Hmmm, I wonder what the various mathematical operations on that would result in? Would each result equal "a lot" or would you get even stranger ones like "double a lot" or "half a lot"? *Thinks* URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/592862/#p592862 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @632. The comments on that video hurts my brain. How can people be so stupid? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/592850/#p592850 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election No, this is not thread necromancy, because the results of this election are apparently still in question. They're apparently still in question because Trump won by "a lot." Not only did he apparently win Pennsylvania by "a lot", he won "all of these swing states by a lot." When talking about the results of something, like an election, for example, I've never heard of a number called "a lot," so could someone who is so inclined offer up an approximation as to what that entails? Also, the election was rigged. He said so himself, so it must be true. Actually, here he is telling us all about it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBEfgrEI7K8 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/592848/#p592848 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election JayJay, what you're suggesting simply won't happen. It never has yet, and there's no reason to suspect that it will now. Numbers are rougly in keeping with what was expected for this election cycle. If you had double the votes in a county being cast when they shouldn't be, numbers would have been way bigger. So while your fictional scenarios are troubling, they won't happen. May as well wonder what would happen if the ocean turned to Pepsi. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/591090/#p591090 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @621 and 623, Woshh.Now on to more serious affairs, so what if they do indeed find that the elections were rigged? Dead people's names were casted, double the county populatioon voted, whatever. So what happens then? So a friend of mine said they'd have to recount the votes, but then, won't they just recount the old votes? So, with that being said, if Trumpy gets what he wants, could that mean a second election for America? And another thing, how can they determine dead people voted? Aren't votes, uh, private? I'd probably suggest the male in ballots, but I'm not even sure if they had the post address on them. Just soething I was thinking about. And lastly, I wonder how people in 2200 will look back at this. Like, would they look at Trump as bad as they do Wilson? Or maybe a president who was good, but just stupid? Only time will tell. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/591066/#p591066 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @621 and 623, Woshh URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/591066/#p591066 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I'm just going to leave this here...https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bi … 29934.html URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/591003/#p591003 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Just a quick note to add:A lot of right-leaning places and people are saying "count every legal vote". Sounds great on paper. I agree with it.But here's what they're not saying."...but render as many blue votes illegal as possible".That's the part they don't want you to know. And every single failed lawsuit, every wild allegation, every conspiracy theory, is seeking to do just that. They want to invalidate votes for Biden, thus making it so that predominantly red votes run the election.Since they believe that Trump's win was a foregone conclusion, and since many of them bought Trump's "if I win, it's fine; if I lose, it's rigged" rhetoric - seriously, what bullshit is that, anyway? - now that votes are being counted and Biden won, there must be a problem.Let me really nail this down.There is only one conclusion that makes logical sense here. When the republicans say that a Trump loss means a rigged election, it must mean that they themselves rigged it first, and the only way to fix it was if someone either caught them at it, or used their own trick against them. It's like a street-corner magician using fake cards or weighted dice to fix whatever game he's trying to fleece you at, then getting angry when you somehow manage to out-fox him and win anyway. To be fair here, I do not think republicans actually rigged anything. But the louder they yell about it, the more it makes me wonder. Because based on the polarized nature of this election cycle, there was no clear winner or loser before it all came down. There wasn't an enormous mountain of evidence repudiating the democratic ticket, which then went out the window in a massive upset. This win was projected by several pundits, and was by no means outside the realm of possibility. Trying to claim that a Biden win was "impossible" just makes it sound as if you tried to make it impossible by shady means, because despite the supposed impossibility, it happened anyway.Just relax. I'd say do what you can to ignore the right-leaning media for the next couple of months. They're not done bawling yet. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/590141/#p590141 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/fac … llegationsSo this is the first source I found, and it deals with stuff said a few days ago. What Powell said this morning doesn't really change this. A sworn affidavit only means that someone believes this happened, without giving it actual legal weight. The Trump campaign is approximately 1 for 20 with regard to lawsuits so far, and almost all of the failed ones involved some sort of affidavit which ultimately went nowhere.A few points to bear in mind:1. Most intelligence agencies are actually saying that this was the most secure election in United States history. Who are you going to believe, a Trump lawyer or an intelligence agency?2. Powell and folks like her are trying to work backward. Rather than finding a problem and following it to its conclusion, they already have their conclusion and are now trying to find or invent problems which would lead plausibly to their desired result.3. They tried this with Hammer and Scorecard last week, and it fell apart. It's going to fall apart again.4. But okay, let's play ball for a sec. Let's say for just a moment that Dominion was tampered with, and votes were cast for Biden when they shouldn't have been. What about Ohio? Iowa? Florida? Texas? States that could've gone blue but didn't? Do we have to call all those into question as well because republicans might have done the same thing, switching votes to Trump so they'd win those states? I don't buy any of this, on either side, personally. Because of all the checks and balances in such a system, it is extremely difficult for mistakes to get past the first phase of the process.5. If this was such a huge, systemic problem, why is it only being reported so aggressively in the weeks -after the election? You're not going to ask me to believe that people only found out about this in the wake of an election that Trump lost, are you? I guarantee you that if Trump had won this election "fair and square", Sidney Powell would be nowhere to be seen even if this allegation were true and software was used to tweak vote counts.6. Serious question here...but uh, why would democrats give Joe Biden the win but not fix other races so that they also won the senate and kept all their seats in the house? It doesn't make sense that they'd engineer a scenario where they actually didn't gain themselves much power. This election wasn't a repudiation of republicans in general; it was a repudiation of Trump. And I think his base is having fits over it, including Powell herself.Nah. If you look at this, it all falls down. Trump lost. The time to figure out systemic problems with the process was, y'know, before your guy lost. Now it just looks like you're trying to work backward to create the narrative you want to drive, and that doesn't fly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/590128/#p590128 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election This looks like more repetition of the same shit. Though this software might exist and its functionality may allow it to wipe away votes, to not read ballots and such, it doesn't mean said features were employed. A sworn affidavit doesn't actually mean the truth -- its what you believe and that's it. It doesn't mean your actually telling the truth. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/590115/#p590115 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I know this is coming from Parler, which I'm fairly certain is little more than an echo chamber for Trump supporters, and the link goes to Townhall, a conservative news site, but here's supposedly more evidence that the election was rigged. They say there's enough of it to be able to overturn the whole thing. Yet more talk? Just more repetition of the same stuff?https://parler.com/post/13d2e6a0eb8b478 … 9a5702c63e URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/590097/#p590097 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I was one of those people who claimed the republicans did it. I was also 100% joking. I made an accusation with absolutely 0 merit and no credible evidence to back it up literally just to see what would happen. I think Ironcross got it. I do not believe either political party attacked YouTube. It just had a hiccup probably because either 1. they had a server problem or 2. they were testing something new and broke it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589921/#p589921 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I doubt the temporary downtime of Youtube was political in nature. That's like saying that the fact that your computer or server just happened to BSOD/kernel panic on election day meant that someone had attacked it and forced that crash to happen because of a political agenda. Temporary downtime can happen due to various reasons entirely unrelated to politics, and I suspect that that's what happened here. People who claim otherwise have to prove it, which isn't exactly an easy thing to do, because their only evidence is that "it happened to go down during a time of political upheaval". Sorry, you still haven't proven anything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589889/#p589889 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Maybe was the apparent third candidate Kanye West or was it? The one that only got 6 or so votes. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589884/#p589884 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Something I don't get,Republicanss are blaming democrats for youtube going down, and... vise versa. I don't care which side; if any; took it down, could've been something completely unrelated to both parties for all we know. But if, it was one party or the other... Isn't that, imature in and of itself? I mean, if, one of these two parties was indeed responsible for the temporarily takedown of youtube... That's a really asinine way of showing displeasure, not to mention immature as heck, and... makes the party who did it look, not good at all. I personally think it was something else that caused the takedown of youtube, not republicans or democrats. I'm leaning more towards it beeing a third issue, but someone started the ball roling by blaming one party and... well it doesn't take much to bring people into the bandwagon after that. And something else, if the democrats or republicans where indeed responsible for the temporary takedown, wouldn't that uh, just have affected the US alone? But instead, it affected uh, everyone. Which kind of supports the argument that this was most likely caused by, I don't know, but neither one of the two parties. Could've been a blackout or server malfunction for all we know, but whenever someone starts what could very well be a rumor, people jump on this like flies on shit regardless if it is false or actually true. Its just fucked up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589877/#p589877 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Something I don't get,Republicanss are blaming democrats for youtube going down, and... vise versa. I don't care which side; if any; took it down, could've been something completely unrelated to both parties for all we know. But if, it was one party or the other... Isn't that, imature in and of itself? I mean, if, one of these two parties was indeed responsible for the temporarily takedown of youtube... That's a really asinine way of showing displeasure, not to mention immature as heck, and... makes the party who did it look, not good at all. I personally think it was something else that caused the takedown of youtube, not republicans or democrats. I'm leaning more towards it beeing a third issue, but someone started the ball roling by blaming one party and... well it doesn't take much to bring people into the bandwagon after that. And something else, if the democrats or republicans where indeed responsible for the temporary takedown, wouldn't that uh, just have affected the US alone? But instead, it affected uh, everyone. Which kind of supports the argument that this was most likely caused by, I don't know, but neither one of the two parties. Could've been a blackout or server malfunction for all we know, but whenever someone starts what could very well be a rumor, people jump on this like flies on shit regardless if it is false or actually true. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589877/#p589877 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Something I don't get,Republicanss are blaming democrats for youtube going down, and... vise versa. I don't care which side; if any; took it down, could've been something completely unrelated to both parties for all we know. But if, it was one party or the other... Isn't that, imature in and of itself? I mean, if, one of these two parties was indeed responsible for the temporarily takedown of youtube... That's a really asinine way of showing displeasure, not to mention immature as heck, and... makes the party who did it look, not good at all. I personally think it was something else that caused the takedown of youtube, not republicans or democrats. I'm leaning more towards it beeing a third issue, but someone started the ball roling by blaming one party and... well it doesn't take much to bring people into the bandwagon after that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589877/#p589877 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Everybody knew. Republicans didn't care. And remember, Trump did lose the popular vote by over three million, so this was totally the electoral college at work.Seventy-three million Americans have absolutely no excuse right now. Thankfully, over seventy-nine million Americans exercised their right to kick Trump out of the White House.He's talking about maybe running again in 2024. I hope he's tucked away in jail by then. And none of this cushy minimum-security bullshit either.Would also like to point out that the Trump campaign is something like 1 for 20 when it comes to lawsuits right now. The one they won concerned certain cured ballots in Pennsylvania which were thrown out. That's okay though; they weren't part of the current vote count anyway, so they won't impact Biden's win in PA. Virtually all legal experts who aren't on the RNC payroll are saying that this is a done deal, and Trump should stop dragging his feet. Every day he waits tarnishes the presidential legacy and makes it harder for Biden to follow him. Toys, pram, you know the deal. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589841/#p589841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I guess his arrogance and overall attitude should've been traced way back when.https://www.insider.com/donald-trump-ho … or-2020-11 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589672/#p589672 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election We did it because you tried to take away our guns. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589123/#p589123 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @617, Lma that's great. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589022/#p589022 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election This is a fraud. It's an embarrassment.We have massive amounts of fraud here. Big media and big tech want to silence the left, so they staged massive amount of bandwidth stealing and video stealing. I'm hereby authorizing the Department of Civil Responsibility to investigate or fabricate evidence which aligns with the goal of blaming the republicans for all the stuff the crazy radical crooked left have done. Perhaps if I send you enough emails you'll believe me. And texts. And exhortations to send me money to cover all my legal funds. THIS IS A FRAUD! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589019/#p589019 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @615, I'm kinda confused Precisely what happened? (Of course, you've got the republicans claiming that the dems took down Youtube too so...)Edit: Whoops, just saw the other topic about it going down. But yeah I've seen some republicans claim (probably jokingly) that Biden took down youtube lol URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589016/#p589016 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @615, I'm kinda confused Precisely what happened? (Of course, you've got the republicans claiming that the dems took down Youtube too so...) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589016/#p589016 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election The republicans tried to steal our youtube. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589007/#p589007 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Spartans...tolerant? Along with the prior disposal of children with disabilities or who weren't cut for combat, the spartans severely mistreated the non-combat cast of folk that lived under their territory. For teenagers, slaughtering and bullying these folks was part of your expected training. I forget the term for the people they tormented, the Helvetes? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/589001/#p589001 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I dunno.. were they though? They would kill any child who couldn't prove themselves, or if they had deformaties. At least that isn't such a common practice now... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588967/#p588967 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election How is it that societies like those of the Spartons were so much more tolerant than ours, and yet here we are, thousands of years later? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588932/#p588932 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I've done a lot more looking into this whole transgender in the military thing. My stance on it is about the same as it ever was.If you're transgender, you should be military-viable by default, until or unless something in your psychological or physical history makes you a risk to yourself or others. Being transgender, by itself, does not constitute that risk.I believe there's sort of a prevailing assumption that if you're transgender, you're probably going to be mentally unstable by default, and this isn't fair. If you haven't transitioned and haven't had long since you came out, then yeah, you might be, sure...but you also might not be, either. I think this sort of assumption is damaging. Inclusion should be the default position, with exceptions made for those whose circumstances preclude them from active duty. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/53/#p53 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election and scarlet fever is a nice way to stay warm. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588834/#p588834 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Uh, so today I toook a listen to Trump speaking, and his speech sounds very, erm, different. It sounds like he's missing teeth, or taking those sleep pills and is just woozy. Also, some of the thiings he says, reminds me of an autistic friend i have. "This is a tough storm. Its one of the wettest, from the stand point of water" URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588814/#p588814 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I don't know that Ironcross has ever been my top pick for asking complicated and potentially controversial questions, but he raises a lot of questions I myself have had and, because of the way things are at present, have never felt comfortable asking. I mean, sexuality for a blind person is hard enough... I can't imagine being born one way and feeling like you're another and being told that you should just live and deal because normalcy dictates you should bla bla bla... I can't tell you how many people get blown out of the waters when I tell them I have four children. You can almost feel the thought forming in their heads... "You're blind; that's not normal!" Inevitably I get that person who's too awkward to ask me directly, but they'll ask someone they think is close to me, "So, uh, how did they have sex if they can't see?" The best response I've heard yet? "Have you never had sex in the dark?"So yes, asking questions about sexuality is a bit discomforting for many, particularly if you were raised in a home where sex was a subject reserved for the bedroom. Out of decency, I never ask. That can, sadly, be misinterpreted and I'm fully aware of that. I can only hope I never have been, but if I have I realize it's at least partly my blame, if not entirely.That having been said, I can honestly say that I've never spoken to anyone as less or different because they're gay, lesbian, trans, unicorn... I'm sure you get the picture. I have my thoughts, and I think it would be foolish for anyone whatsoever to say we don't have our initial impressions and that it can be hard to change those. That is why I do not believe, to use the old cliche, that you should ever judge a book by its cover. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588767/#p588767 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election So I'm not even going to try and break down that last point because I know by now that people like you will only hear what you want to hear, but your point about meds does actually hold at least some merit. We actually *do* have to take meds, even after transitioning fully, especially after transitioning fully. Those hormones just can't and won't produce themselves, and not having them obviously could lead to serious health complications. Of course even for pre GRS people there could still be a mental health problem there too, and no the answer there definitely wouldn't be just suck it up and deal. I'm fresh out of good comparisons right now, but like, it's 1 of those things where if you start, unless you simply find yourself not needing it any more for whatever reason, you really can't stop.Then again, all of the above is only relevant if you're serving over seas. Admittedly I don't know much about how the US military works, and perhaps serving over seas is indeed a requirement somewhere down the line, but somehow I doubt it. And, you know, there are only so many people with absolutely 0 health complications that require meds, and there are a lot more jobs that need to be done besides field stuff. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588677/#p588677 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Honestly, if somebody can pass the mental and physical testing required for the military, they can call themselves whatever they damn well want IMO. I'm also not american, so I'm sure my opinion means something. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588668/#p588668 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Then there's still the aspect of pretending to be something they never can be. What's the difference between a biological man claiming to be a woman or a biological woman trying to be a man and someone going into the recruiter's office claiming they're a unicorn. Because until someone convinces me differently, that's how I see it. To the people that have undergone the process and have actually found happiness on the other side, great, but it's a hell of a long way to the other side of that chasm, and a pretty big jump to get there. There may not be happiness on the other side. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588661/#p588661 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Again you're assuming that they need to be on hormones regularly,which, as Jade has already pointed out, is not the case. People who have fully transitioned do not need meds, to use your term. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588657/#p588657 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election This seems to contradict the whole, "everyone who transitions is happy afterward", attitude the press seems to like to tout. Another thing, while I can't speak on female hormones, I do know a little bit about male hormones since hypogonadism is something I have. In my case, it is of the secondary variety, due to pituitary complications caused by septo-optic dysplasia. When you give someone testosterone, two things happen. The first is that men with no T problems have varying levels throughout the day, peaking around 9 in the morning and fluctuating from there. In fact, whenever I get blood work done to test my levels, they want it done between 7:00 AM and 9:00 AM for that very reason. The second is that it can make a man dependent on it, as described in the latter half of this article. So, do we know that giving a biological female these hormones, that stopping them due to military service wouldn't cause other issues for them?You do have a point that everyone who goes into the service isn't a combattant, but you don't always choose where you are assigned either. You could be a desk jockey in Iran, and how would you get your meds? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588652/#p588652 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Except that's not how it works in practice.You make at least a potential argument re: medication, hormones. Especially for someone in transition, serving in active combat situations might be difficult.But there is no reason why someone who has fully transitioned can't serve. And the military is more than just soldiers on the ground. More by far.As far as whether or not being transgender is, in and of itself, a mental illness, I think you need to look a little more closely. Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, but someone who is being acknowledged as the correct gender, internally and externally, is not going to be experiencing gender dysphoria anymore, particularly if they've been able to transition. As such, exclusion on the basis of mental illness is shaky at best and prejudicial at worst. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588644/#p588644 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election How would it not? The most obvious reason would be the hormones. Now, these are voluntary but still, how will you get your medication if you're half way across the world. This would also affect someone like me, because even if somehow, I was gifted with sight, there are hormone replacement therapies that I need to be on, so it's not just transgender people, but anyone who needs medication.Then there's the mental side of things. I guess this is controversial, but is being transgender a mental illness. I lean towards yes on that question. So why would the military want to enlist folks with known mental illnesses. This isn't a Micky D's where the worst that'll happen is that someone gets mad you put mayo on their burger when they asked for plain. This is the military, they need the best of the best. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588635/#p588635 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Oh boy. Roar goes the fire. Why does being transgender constitute a medical condition that prevents serving? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588632/#p588632 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Wait, why should we allow transgender people in the military? It would fall under medical conditions that stop other people from serving. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588626/#p588626 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election If anyone's still following the Trump lawsuits, this is a pretty accurate representation of where we're at, as of earlier today:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … n-lawsuitsNone of them have borne any fruit. They're just delaying the inevitable.The Trump government is doing everything it can to make stuff tough on Biden and Harris, but Biden's already got a Covid-19 task force assembled and is arranging his policy. He has been planning for Trump resistance for months now, apparently, to a great enough extent that even folks within his campaign thought he was going overboard. Well, apparently he wasn't, and it's paying dividends now.Haily, not that you're American or anything, but this should make you happy. I know it did me. One of the first things Biden intends to reverse is the transgender military ban Trump enacted. And he can do that with executive order alone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588622/#p588622 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I mean, I'm no fan of George W Bush due to his rather fucked up stances on abortion and gay marriage, but I am in complete, 100% agreement with him on this one.Also uh, yeah no, Trump and intelligent definitely do not mix. Lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588577/#p588577 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election If he's any kind of intelligent it won't come to that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588497/#p588497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
2020-11-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Green Gables Fan via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I honestly can't wait until 20 January comes and the military drags him out, kicking and screaming bloody murder. That would be great to watch. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588471/#p588471 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election When a former republican president says the election was fair and square and Biden won it with no legal issues, I'm inclined to believe him, and so said Bush JR. Moreover, he pretty much said Trump should man up and accept the election as it is, and that while he had the right to ask for recounts it wouldn't prove a thing. This, coming from the same guy who scored his victory to the whitehouse amidst controversy about recounts. He could side with the repubs who are saying Trump is right, but he isn't, and he won't.All the scenarios Trump could have helped play out to achieve his victory never took shape. He could have handled the virus crisis correctly. He did not. When it became clear small businesses and families would suffer because of it, he could have pushed for more stimulus. He did not. When Trump supporters became violent and racist just to prove their point, he could have told them to knock it off. He did not. Almost every time he spoke he was contradicting himself in some manner. The best thing he could do for himself right now and which would honestly at least make him a respectable guy walking out of the ofice would be to call Biden, congratulate him, concede in a speech, and move along to his shaky businesses and messy court cases awaiting him. He doesn't want to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588390/#p588390 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I think you're going to have seventy-five million Americans screaming for blood if Trump flips this somehow. Because seventy-five million pissed-off Americans are no one to screw with.Nah. This is just an attempt to scare people. It's an attempt to put on a brave face when the game is already over. Trump's in a mating net and refuses to resign. He's tried to flip the board over. That's okay though; this is why all moves are recorded.Also? You know it's bad when even Fox News is shutting Kayleigh Mcenany up because she can't back up what she's saying. I almost feel sorry for her...or I would if she hadn't sought and taken this job willingly. She's going to have a pretty tough time in future, I think, because Americans are going to remember her promise never to lie to them, followed by hundreds of lies in defense of the ex-president. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588308/#p588308 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election As eager as some people seem to be to gulp down whatever they're served and follow along, I can't help but to wonder if the same people who voted Biden in will somehow be turned to vote for Trump in some kind of recount. Some times it starts to feel like he's going to get what he's expecting eventually. They keep saying it's not over. Do they really believe that? They keep saying the results aren't official. Does that mean they can change it? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588306/#p588306 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @591, I hope they got dismissed. I doubt any competent court is going to take those cases. (Unfortunately, there are already petitions out there with millions of supporters demanding that votes be "verified" and "recounted".) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588304/#p588304 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election The sad and scary thing is just this.If Trump had been able to handle Covid-19 better, he would have coasted to re-election. He had enough Americans all fired up and ready to go to war for him that they would've bought whatever he was selling, at whatever price. And then two hundred and forty thousand people died, and Trump's spectacular failure just got too big to ignore. The man could've cruised to a second term by showing a little humility and bending his neck just a tiny little bit. But he couldn't, and that pleases me to no end.Also, Monday is now virtually over, and those apparent lawsuits? They happened, but they're basically just echoes of the same old claims, no teeth and no truth. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588302/#p588302 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @589, according to trump? He'd be at the top of the best candidate in history list if it were up to him. Luckily its not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588261/#p588261 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Trump calling Biden the worst candidate in history is laughable. If biden is the worsrst candidate, I wonder where on that list trump would be. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588258/#p588258 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Trump himself fed this, of course, by using extremely charged language. Calling Biden the "worst candidate in American history" is just laughable, for instance.Ironcross, as it happens I agree with you to some extent. I'm wondering if the republicans have the senate, how much McConnell will actually play ball with Biden. I think right now that deadlock you speak of works both ways. Both sides have to be willing to compromise, not just the dems.Also? I have no doubts about Harris, none at all. I'll be the first to admit that she was too tough on drug offenders at times, but she also has a very strong track record regarding -good police reform, and I have no doubt at all that she'll do her job. She won't coast. In fact, if Biden is unable to go on, I think it'll be Harris that carries the ticket, and I think that'll actually work out pretty well. Harris takes no shit from anybody. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588236/#p588236 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @KenshiraTheTrinityNot impossible no, just harder than it should be.@IroncrossI know what you mean about Trump hysteria. To be fair the guy is a walking joke and a pathetic excuse for a leader, but the blatant cashing in of media outlets like CNN who would right sometimes multiple articles about often relatively minor issues each day for months just because it was Trump who did it, that was sickening. Hell people even started to see him as so much of a joke that they weren't paying attention to the fucked up shit he was pulling any more because it all became background noise.I mean to some degree I get it, the guy was so obviously a con man and shitty human being that I guess allot of people just couldn't believe that so many of their fellow citizens actually voted for him, but there is a point at which you need to get ahold of your self and put some blinders on until next election when it comes to everything but the most major issues.Life needs to go on, and being so caught up in the storm that you can't even objectively compare his actions to past presidents or see the many things he did that most would consider neutral or even sometimes good coming from anyone else is just bad for everyone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588234/#p588234 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election 585, those examples don't mean anything tbh. A member of a minority, who has privileged can achieve more than most others can. That doesn't mean there is no discrimination, or said minorities aren't disadvantaged.Trump really should have been impeeched. There were ample reasons for him to be, even though democrats didn't have the guts to move forward with those. The only reason though biden could be impeached is through proof of mental incompetence, which could be possible depending on how he does. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588233/#p588233 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
2020-11-09
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I just hope that the vice president wasn't so caught up in making history that she forgets to do her job. You know, we really have come quite a ways. I remember back in 2000 when I was looking over a schoolmates notes where she wrote that a president of the states must be both white and male, and we have had that distinction shattered not once, but twice in the last 20 years. Say what you will about progress, but no one can complain that it is impossible for minorities or immigrants to make something of themselves around here, as demonstrated by the former governor of cali, former president Obama, and vice president elect Harris. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588163/#p588163 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Maybe it'll teach the dems not to fuck around with fire lol. I doubt it though. You try to impeach our pres, we'll try to impeach yours. Though they really shouldn't try, because it'll fall to Harris and that'll be a scary day indeed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588146/#p588146 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @Ironcross, one name for ya; Larry Hogan. He's apparently equally popular among dems and repubs even though he is a repub himself and seems to understand that issues don't soley revolve around one party or another. Yes, it can be done, and yes, it is probably going to be done. Right now though, I do not envy Biden or Harris, as the responsibility genuinely lies on them to prove their party can make this work, and you'd better believe repubs will fight tooth and nail within the next four years to get them out of office in legal, electoral fashion if at all possible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588145/#p588145 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I'm sort of glad that it's over, though I think Trump derangement syndrome is very real. Blame the guy for shit he did wrong, but don't make up shit just to boil over your hate. I do wonder though, say we got a republican president that wanted to work with the democrats, would they actually be interested? I think they wouldn't. They'd probably hardball that person the same way they hardballed Trump. That shit's gotta stop or we'll be in a perpetual deadlock where nothing gets done. Both parties also need to stop sneaking shit into their proposed bills.I voted for Jorgensen. I didn't want to put down Biden for fear of Harris. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588139/#p588139 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Sort of a scary-sad sideshow: Steve Bannon, one of Trump's now-disgraced conspirators during his presidency, was on record saying out loud (I've heard the sound clip, I don't have a link right now) that Anthony Fauci should be fired and beheaded. Because apparently barbarism is how you prove your power. I trust I don't have to explain how disgusting this is. Twitter has permanently banned him, but I think more is needed for this...though I hope Biden's campaign waits till January 21 to pursue legal angles against those they want to prosecute. No sense in letting the lame-duck ex-president pardon his pals on his way out the door.But today will be the day that we see whether or not that news source Chris quoted actually has any teeth. Legal action promised for Monday. Well, here's Monday. Let's see how successful the Trump campaign is at trying to reverse its fortunes on half a dozen fronts. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588085/#p588085 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Grifters gonna grift.https://www.businessinsider.com/donatio … bt-2020-11This article is based on that Election Fraud Commission fund Trump and the Republicans are calling on their supporters to fund. The fund is used to pay for the various litigations for the battleground states in trying to flip the states. ...Or maybe not. On Trump's site, there's a link to donate for the fund. At the bottom, there's fine print that states that 60% of the fund will be used to retire general campaign debt. The remaining 40% will go to the RNC operational fund, which is used for such legal battles. Just 40%. Another donation page has 50% allocated for the same thing.yes, a supposed billionaire is grifting his supporters out of as much cash as possible before vanishing into the night. If trump was as rich as he claimed, he could pay off his own debts, like he claimed he would be doing during the 2016 election.I'm starting to believe this fuss about the Election vote fraud is Trump's last attempt to extract as much cash from the very people who support him. I doubt he's actually mounting a resurrection campaign for 2024. He's more likely going to milk as much money as possible, then turn around a few months later and brag on how he tricked millions of people and how stupid his supporters are. And that this makes him smart and a great business man. And he'll do it, those 70 million people failed to get him what he wants. And just as the many associates who worked for him now languishing in prison or with ruined careers, Trump will distance himself from those people and mock them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588036/#p588036 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election For the right leening people in here, check out the linkin project. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588012/#p588012 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
2020-11-08
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Green Gables Fan via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I actually believe that the rich should pay higher taxes to help the poor, but then the rich will hate us for having to make them pay more. Well, they can afford to, can they not? It's those in the middle and lower class who can't, and raising taxes would allow us to better allocate our funds to help build a basic healthcare system that can be accessed because I believe that basic healthcare is a right. And, because of COVID, I think healthcare will become the centre of foreign policy.I don't support or oppose abortions lightly. I believe there is a right time and a right place for that. But as soon as ectogenesis gets here, we won't have to worry about that any longer. Besides, consider Rowe versus Wade. That was a pretty landmark case that sparked a lot of debate.Also, the International Space Station has a pretty independent life support system. They use plenty of renewable resources to live for long periods of time. If we can achieve this at a macro level scale, then we can create newer industries that won't have too much impact on the environment. Also, a company here in Oregon has designed a generator that works on the booey principle with little to no impact on marine wildlife. The waves will simply expand and contract a set of bellows that will allow it to spin a turbine constantly.I'm not opposed to deporting illegal immigrants, but I believe there are more humane ways to deal with them than our current practices i.e. splitting up families, detaining children, etc.Not all democrats are liberals, and not all republicans are conservatives. There can be major overlaps, which I think is a good thing. It all comes down to common sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587987/#p587987 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
2020-11-08
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I actually believe that the rich should pay higher taxes to help the poor, but then the rich will hate us for having to make them pay more. Well, they can afford to, can they not? It's those in the middle and lower class who can't, and raising taxes would allow us to better allocate our funds to help build a basic healthcare system that can be accessed because I believe that basic healthcare is a right. And, because of COVID, I think healthcare will become the centre of foreign policy.I don't support or oppose abortions lightly. I believe there is a right time and a right place for that. But as soon as ectogenesis gets here, we won't have to worry about that any longer. Besides, consider Rowe versus Wade. That was a pretty landmark case that sparked a lot of debate.Also, the International Space Station has a pretty independent life support system. They use plenty of renewable resources to live for long periods of time. If we can achieve this at a macro level scale, then we can create newer industries that won't have too much impact on the environment.I'm not opposed to deporting illegal immigrants, but I believe there are more humane ways to deal with them than our current practices i.e. splitting up families, detaining children, etc.Not all democrats are liberals, and not all republicans are conservatives. There can be major overlaps, which I think is a good thing. It all comes down to common sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587987/#p587987 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
2020-11-08
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Green Gables Fan via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I actually believe that the rich should pay higher taxes to help the poor, but then the rich will hate us for having to make them pay more. Well, they can afford to, can they not? It's those in the middle and lower class who can't, and raising taxes would allow us to better allocate our funds to help build a basic healthcare system that can be accessed because I believe that basic healthcare is a right. And, because of COVID, I think healthcare will become the centre of foreign policy.I don't support or oppose abortions lightly. I believe there is a right time and a right place for that. But as soon as ectogenesis gets here, we won't have to worry about that any longer. Besides, consider Rowe versus Wade. That was a pretty landmark case that sparked a lot of debate.Also, the International Space Station has a pretty independent life support system. They use plenty of renewable resources to live for long periods of time. If we can achieve this at a macro level scale, then we can create newer industries that won't have too much impact on the environment.Not all democrats are liberals, and not all republicans are conservatives. There can be major overlaps, which I think is a good thing. It all comes down to common sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587987/#p587987 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Biden is a centrist, which means that for folks like us, he's right-leaning but only by a little.The first step is to 28%, as I understand it. He or his successor might go further, but I actually agree with this step. You don't want to go making huge changes in huge steps. Step it up to 28% first, then boost it further if you need more money and the system can handle it. It can, but this will actually provide data that's hard to argue with.There's also every indication that Biden is shifting a little bit left, especially where it concerns the environment. He's never going to be a socialist or a leftist of any variety, not really, but I do think he's going to consult experts and actually try and get things moving with regard to renewable energy that isn't based solely on fossil fuels. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587985/#p587985 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Yeah I was more talking about the perception than what I personally think. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587973/#p587973 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election That is interesting Jayde. Seems Biden is basicly republican light in a way and was even more to the right than I thought. I would've expected that he at least repeal the tax cuts and jobs act, and put ccorprat taxes back to 37%, which is what they were before trump cut them down to 22%, which is a gigantic cut. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587971/#p587971 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Enes, I mostly agree with you, except the bit where you claim that Defender is lumping all liberals into the same boat. He's not. He's saying that -some liberals do this, not all. And he's dead right.Transition away from fossil fuels has to work for as many people as possible without ruining them. There is going to be some damage; a zero-damage scenario is not feasible and should not be an argument point on either side. But a minimum-damage scenario should be striven for, if at all possible.Just to put that whole tax thing into perspective, Biden wants to put the corporate tax at 28%, which is exactly where GWB had it during his two terms. He doesn't want to jack it through the roof, he just wants it back at a sane level. He also wants to tax people making over 400k a year, because let's face it, they can afford a tax hike. The people making under, say, 50k a year definitely can't afford higher taxes because their margins are already thin enough as it is.I'm glad that Canada's minimum wage is around the 14-15 dollar mark. It's still not quite outpacing inflation (and there's a slippery slope there), but our country hasn't imploded either. Ditto with our health care. We have fairly socialized medicine, and nothing went boom. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587969/#p587969 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election ok on the subject of progress. The people who say, wait, we shouldn't do x because of y are typically republicans and centrist democrats their argument goes something like, we will have these problems, therefore we should let everything remain as is and pretend problems aren't there. The main thing they use as a talking point is how people will pay for it. But bring up bailing out airlines, blanket imunity for corperations, corporate bailouts, and tax cuts, they will not ask that question. Trump rammed through one of the most significant tax cuts in 2017, and republicans were really happy to support him for it, that bill mainly benefited the rich, and fucked over military families and students by counting the benefits they received as income, and drastically taxing them more. Noone was overly concerned then, on what effect decreasing tax revenue so significantly would have on the functioning of the government. Move on to 2020, and suddenly said republicans are very concerned on where money is to come for more stimulus, after giving 8.5 trillion in interest free money out to banks, corperations and airlines. The fact is, change must happen, but most people realize there should be a process to follow to implement them. Noone is proposing instant sweeping changes, because that wouldn't be possible.Oh and defender, I love it how you accuse me of making sweeping generalizations, and then go on to do that yourself, by lumping all liberals as people with no life experience, and no respect for elders or working people. Fact is, respect is earned, not given automatically. We shouldn't blindly defend the choices people before us made because they happen to be alot older, And if some of them were fucked up or selfish, I will say so.As for minimum wage. that federal minimum wage of 7.50 an hour hasn't been raised since 2008, and the only places you will see it unchanged is states with boneheaded republican majorities who are absolutely against doing it. As for universal income, that will likely have to be a thing in the future, as robotics and automation will replace a huge majority of low skill jobs, and even some high skill ones. Also on oil companies, the fact that oil provides revenue to the government and jobs doesn't change the fact that its a limited resource, and that drilling and fracing destroys ecosystems, and pollutes groundwater. Fact is, more emphasis should be placed on moving to a more sustainable energy source that doesn't cause the same level of environmental distruction. I suspect nuclear fusion reactors would be the solution mostly when they become viable, though likely there will have to be a solution to some degree before then. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587967/#p587967 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election ok on the subject of progress. The people who say, wait, we shouldn't do x because of y are typically republicans and centrist democrats their argument goes something like, we will have these problems, therefore we should let everything remain as is and pretend problems aren't there. The main thing they use as a taling point is how people will pay for it. But bring up bailing out airlines, blanket imunity for corperations, corporate bailouts, and tax cuts, they will not ask that question. Trump rammed through one of the most significant tax cuts in 2017, and republicans were really happy to support him for it, that bill mainly benefited the rich, and fucked over military families and students by counting the benefits they received as income, and drastically taxing them more. Noone was overly concerned then, on what effect decreasing tax revenue so significantly would have on the functioning of the government. Move on to 2020, and suddenly said republicans are very concerned on where money is to come for more stimulus, after giving 8.5 trillion in interest free money out to banks, corperations and airlines. The fact is, change must happen, but most people realize there should be a process to follow to implement them. Noone is proposing instant sweeping changes, because that wouldn't be possible.Oh and defender, I love it how you accuse me of making sweeping generalizations, and then go on to do that yourself, by lumping all liberals as people with no life experience, and no respect for elders or working people. Fact is, respect is earned, not given automatically. We shouldn't blindly defend the choices people before us made because they happen to be alot older, And if some of them were fucked up or selfish, I will say so.As for minimum wage. that federal minimum wage of 7.50 an hour hasn't been raised since 2008, and the only places you will see it unchanged is states with boneheaded republican majorities who are absolutely against doing it. As for universal income, that will likely have to be a thing in the future, as robotics and automation will replace a huge majority of low skill jobs, and even some high skill ones. Also on oil companies, the fact that oil provides revenue to the government and jobs doesn't change the fact that its a limited resource, and that drilling and fracing destroys ecosystems, and pollutes groundwater. Fact is, more emphasis should be placed on moving to a more sustainable energy source that doesn't cause the same level of environmental distruction. I suspect nuclear fusion reactors would be the solution mostly when they become viable, though likely there will have to be a solution to some degree before then. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587967/#p587967 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Agreed with this. I know many people who, for instance, give Trump credit for some parts of the economy while acknowledging that he's a horrible human being. Or, flip it the other way. I know of one republican in particular who couldn't/didn't vote for Biden because he can't stomach the abortion thing, like, not at all, but admitted that Biden has a better head for getting good things done and playing ball. It is nice when each side of the debate can see the honestly good points of the other side, or can admit it when their own guy has been less than ideal. I consider myself as one of those people, for the most part. I may sound angry and shrill at times, but I think I have cause. I'm still able to admit that Trump did not ruin absolutely everything he touched. Same with Doug Ford, the conservative premier of Ontario. He has been a bit wishy-washy on Covid-19, and on trying to sneak legislation through when people aren't looking, but he's also been fairly solid on getting people to listen to health experts about physical distance and the wearing of masks. I intensely dislike his policies, but he isn't trying to set the province on fire, so while I want him gone and will undoubtedly vote against him, I can also admit without flinching that he didn't just implode on everything and make a naked grab for power. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587964/#p587964 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election One thing that annoys me is people thinking that if you agree with a single thing that comes out of someone's mouth you have to vote for them. No, actually. There are certainly things I agree with republicans on, too. I have mostly democratic views/beliefs (actually, I would cast myself as more an independant), but what a lot of people now seem to think is that if you agree with a single thing a certain party says, you MUST! Vote for them. And I always try to explain to people that "No, that's not how that works. Just because I agree *more* with another party, doesn't mean that I cannot see eye to eye with the other on certain issues. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587957/#p587957 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Your math checks out as far as I can see, Ethin, and it also fits fairly closely with the 0.06% chance of voter fraud reporteby multiple reputable news sources.That number probably did go up a very little bit this year, with mail-in voting being more of a thing. Note that I'm not touching the criminal side of it; that probably didn't rise much, if at all.Even if every single case of bonna fide voter fraud tipped in favour of one party, and even if every single instance of fraud was contained in the closest battleground state, it wouldn't tip the result. Let that sink in for a minute. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587954/#p587954 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I just ran some statistical calculations using empirical probability to determine how likely voter fraud was. According to dictionary.com, there have been approximately 250 million votes submitted by mail in the past 20 years. Out of those 250 million votes, 1,285 votes were ruled as fraudulent, and 1,100 of those voters were charged with a crime. Therefore, empirical probability says that:1285/25000=257/5000=0.0514=0.000514 percent probability that a vote will be fraudulent.1100/1285=220/257=0.8560=85.60 percent probability that a fraudulent voter will be charged with voter fraud.Source: https://www.dictionary.com/e/absentee-b … -in-ballotTherefore, for anyone who still believes that voter fraud occurred this election, let the math show that the probability of such a thing happening is so low as to be improbable with the data at my disposal. Obviously, I don't have exact numbers, so the probability may be slightly higher or lower, but its around 0.000514 percent, and even if either number (number of fraudulent votes legally proven to be fraudulent and total number of votes cast by mail) were to raise the probability would not change much because there's a certain point where numbers like this begin to level out and very little change is observed.Apologies if this post doesn't make sense to some. I posted the math here if anyone wants to verify my claims. I might be wrong and if I am, I'll freely admit that, because I don't have exact numbers nor can I prove that this data is reliable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587929/#p587929 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I just ran some statistical calculations using empirical probability to determine how likely voter fraud was. According to dictionary.com, there have been approximately 250 million votes submitted by mail. Out of those 250 million votes, 1,285 votes were ruled as fraudulent, and 1,100 of those voters were charged with a crime. Therefore, empirical probability says that:1285/25000=257/5000=0.0514=0.000514 percent probability that a vote will be fraudulent.1100/1285=220/257=0.8560=85.60 percent probability that a fraudulent voter will be charged with voter fraud.Source: https://www.dictionary.com/e/absentee-b … -in-ballotTherefore, for anyone who still believes that voter fraud occurred this election, let the math show that the probability of such a thing happening is so low as to be improbable with the data at my disposal. Obviously, I don't have exact numbers, so the probability may be slightly higher or lower, but its around 0.000514 percent, and even if either number (number of fraudulent votes legally proven to be fraudulent and total number of votes cast by mail) were to raise the probability would not change much because there's a certain point where numbers like this begin to level out and very little change is observed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587929/#p587929 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I just ran some statistical calculations using empirical probability to determine how likely voter fraud was. According to dictionary.com, there have been approximately 250 million votes submitted by mail (but that article is a bit dated). I don't have exact numbers, so forgive my margin of error. Out of those 250 million votes, 1,285 votes were ruled as fraudulent, and 1,110 of those voters were charged with a crime. Therefore, empirical probability says that:1285/25000=257/5000=0.0514=0.000514 percent probability that a vote will be fraudulent.1100/1285=220/257=0.8560=85.60 percent probability that a fraudulent voter will be charged with voter fraud.Source: https://www.dictionary.com/e/absentee-b … -in-ballotTherefore, for anyone who still believes that voter fraud occurred this election, let the math show that the probability of such a thing happening is so low as to be improbable with the data at my disposal. Obviously, I don't have exact numbers, so the probability may be slightly higher or lower, but its around 0.000514 percent, and even if either number (number of fraudulent votes legally proven to be fraudulent and total number of votes cast by mail) were to raise the probability would not change much because there's a certain point where numbers like this begin to level out and very little change is observed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587929/#p587929 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Yeah I feel very bad for moderate republicans because of what the Republican party has allowed it's self to become. I hate the idea of stacking any governmental body, but it's been very hard to find Republicans that I as a centrist could feel good about voting for at any level higher than state supreme court judge.They've let so many of the values they supposedly stand for be shit on by Trump and his staff simply because of the pipedream that this well known conman gave them, and too many have fallen into the trap of radicalization when those at the top are supposed to be smarter than that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587869/#p587869 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Yeah I feel very bad for what the Republican party has allowed it's self to become. I hate the idea of stacking any governmental body, but it's been very hard to find Republicans that I as a centrist could feel good about voting for at any level higher than state supreme court judge.They've let so many of the values they supposedly stand for be shit on by Trump and his staff simply because of the pipedream that this well known conman gave them, and too many have fallen into the trap of radicalization when those at the top are supposed to be smarter than that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587869/#p587869 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Personally, what bugs me beyond belief is that everyone who I normally would have never voted against, from my mother to pastors I've agreed with on many subjects, to friends who I've willingly supported in their arguments, are all willing to throw in the towel now and declare that I'm no Christian, that I'm no conservative, that I don't care about life or life's values, that I no longer ascribe any worth to humanity, all because I supported and was outspoken about the other guy, the guy that was democratic, the guy that was not the guy they all wanted me to vote for because republicans don't vote against each other and bla bla bla. Honestly? I'm sad. I see no love, no affection, no compassion and no respect in the republican party anymore, and that hurts deeper than I ever could have imagined, not because of ties to any party in particular, but because my family is still my family, whatever they may say or do to me. I've heard it all though, from "Christians don't vote democrat..." to "Your wife and kids will be cursed by your actions and the fact that you're going to be hit by a hurricane in the next 24 hours is precisely what God had coming to you! Be ashamed!"I tell you all plainly that there are things I absolutely hate which some if not all democrats stand for, from the legalization of abortion which to me feels a lot like sanctioning murder, to the idea of fixed universal income/healthcare, which I just don't see working out for a myriad of reasons. That having been said, so many things are broken right now and we really doo need a change to fix these things that if we don't fix them right now what we'll in essence be doing is straight up killing ourselves by ignoring these issues now, which gives noone, from unborn babies on up to the elderly, a serious chance at a good life. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587862/#p587862 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @JaydeWhen you lay it out like that it is more reasonable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587840/#p587840 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election @Jayde thanks it was but my family is also split between parties so that helped. Besides Trump's awful personality and handling the pandemic poorly I think 1 of the key things that really decided it for me was environmental issues. Such as Trump's wall messing up ecosystems, dropping protection for the Pasific temperate rain forest, and pulling out of the Paris agreement. I know some hardcore Trump supporters that if they knew would want me to explain why and to them that would be beyond their comprehension. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587835/#p587835 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Like I say, if it turns out to be true, or if actual fraud is uncovered, I'll shout just as loudly about it as the rest of you. But the burden of proof is on the accuser here. And we already know that the right has been trying to manipulate this election in different ways. Not stealing votes, per se, but definitely trying to create scenarios that reinforce their narrative.There is one criticism I've heard that has a little merit though. A lot of polls were kinder to Biden in some swing states than actually made sense (Ohio and Florida come to mind). I'm honestly not sure why that is. There are several reasons that it could be so, but if some republicans saw this and felt disillusioned enough not to bother, then I could see that as a potential angle for voter suppression. Trump did it to people of colour via Facebook in 2016 by targeting them with specific types of ads, and it appeared to work that year.Now, of course, I don't see proof yet that democrats deliberately lied about polls and projections in order to discourage republicans. It's possible, but it's not proven. But that's a valid enough criticism; polls can convince people that their vote doesn't matter, and if enough people jump on that train, it could make a difference. It won't in this election, but in a smaller-scale situation it might. Besides, both sides were very clear that they wanted your vote; Trump's super-spreader rallies and Biden's repeated exhortations to have a plan to vote should've made that abundantly clear. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587819/#p587819 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election This is the kind of stuff I see scrolling across my twitter timeline. The link is to a far-right news site, obviously, and because they're the only ones pushing this stuff. Also, 80 votes? Who comes up with these numbers?"There Are Facts of Fraud" - Rudy Giuliani: Trump Team to File Lawsuits against on Pennsylvania on Monday for Violating Federal Law -- 800,000 Votes COMPLETELY INVALID! (Video) via @gatewaypundit https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/1 … ingbuttons URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587814/#p587814 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election I'm not caught though. That's the thing. I pointed out that obviously not all people who hold Chris's views about the Sangora thing are Trump supporters who ignore truth. I simply drew a comparison. It doesn't surprise me.Because I do know some Trump supporters personally, and I've seen the rhetoric of thousands of them (assuming the ones writing on YouTube aren't just Russian bots, but even if they are, they're parroting talking-points and language patterns that are emblematic of Trumpism). And with absolutely no exceptions, there is some sort of a moral failing there. How you want to boil it down will differ from individual to individual, of course, but for me, it comes down to one of three qualities, each of which adds up to a moral failing.1. SelfishnessThis one is fairly obvious. One thing goes well for you, so you think that everyone else should be grateful too. Or, you're benefiting from a system, and you're told that someone else will change that system (even if they won't), so you back the person you believe will back your own best interests. This selfishness extends deeper, though. It focuses on your own victimhood, or purported victimhood, above anyone else's. And this is where it fails. Trumpism is the ultimate cult of the self.2. ControlControl, in and of itself, is not a moral failing, of course. True chaos is scary, and change is something most humans are resistant to. But Trump, and his loyalists, are big on weaponizing control. They want to control the narrative by continuing to insist that their facts are the only facts. They want to control people (by putting children in cages, let's say, or by having men choose what happens to women's bodies) as a means of exercising power over those people. They demonize the idea of change. They pretend that the only reputable news is Trump news. That's scary, guys. And it's dangerous. The moral failing here is not in your wish to control your own life; it's in your desire to control the life and perspective of other people by bludgeoning them with lies, threatening them with violence or paralyzing them with a refusal to acknowledge their fundamental personhood and equality. Trumpism is the ultimate cult of power.3. Factionalism"us and them" is baked into republican ideology, but it's become especially poignant during Trump's reign. Everyone who opposes Trump is a liar, a leftist, a criminal. Language is hyperbolized at every turn. Divisions are widened for the sake of political theater. This makes people angry, confrontational, judgmental and antagonistic. I've seen it once if I've seen it a thousand times, even here on the forum. Underpinning the whole thing is the idea that if person a wins, person b loses, and that doesn't have to be true. Most Trumpists I've known have this mentality to one extent or another. The moral failing here is an inability to work with other people, an unwillingness to concede to ideas, viewpoints or notions that don't come from your own camp. Trumpism is the ultimate cult of division and confrontation.So how does this touch on Chris and the Sangora issue?Simple. Sangora is the victim in that storyline, or at the very least, she's the main one. She is ill and dying, but Chris was laughing his head off at her plight because she "did it to herself". This is victim-blaming, and is part and parcel, to some extent at least, with all three points I hit on above. Again, not all people who victim-blame are Trump supporters, but most Trump supporters I know...well, I wouldn't put this sort of behaviour past them, is what I'm saying.Let me be clear here. I am not saying that every single centrist or republican is a morally awful person. I'm talking about your die-hard Trumpists in particular here. I feel that all of them, to one extent or another, represent at least one of the moral failings above. Either they're so selfish that they only care about their own self-interest, or they're bent on weaponizing control in some way, or they're so antagonistic and resistant to the thoughts of others that it's impossible to reason with them. The only perspective which matters is theirs. To some extent, Ironcross fits this mold, and so does Accman, and so does every person on this forum I've seen come out in favour of Donald Trump.To be even more clear, you can totally be a selfish/power-hungry/confrontational leftist. These moral failings do exist on the right, but that's not the only place they exist. But when you see a moral issue combine with a political viewpoint, it's a puzzle-piece going "click". That's been my point from the start. It doesn't surprise me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587809/#p587809 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Ignoring the vitriol for a second. My lady and I have been tense the last few days. We're amazingly relieved about the result, and rather pleased that my lady's vote in Pa actually counted for something, but we're both extremely worried about what might happen next given said vitriol, and Trump's own attitude, which I believe posts in this topic have pretty much shown.Sadly, it doesn't seem we're out of the woods yet, we really appreciated Biden's remarks about healing divisions, though whether the people that need to take note of those remarks will do so is another question. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587802/#p587802 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Meh, not worth it if you get half caught in your own trap with the bear. Then your just both fucked.Don't give people more ammo. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587798/#p587798 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election ROFL Chris, this website is geared at the liberal point of view? What a crock.Tell me why you and all the other outspoken conservatives in this topic haven't been silenced then huh?What about my post, right above yours.Get ahold of your self and stop with this pathetic victim narrative. Actions speak louder than words goes both ways, and good evidence of a consistent left bias in moderation decisions or official news/database posts has never been given.@JaydePrepare to get ripped apart for the last part of your previous post. You should have separated political leanings from personal morals in your criticisms.You could be right sure, but it's not worth it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587795/#p587795 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Defender, I'm prepared for it. In fact, I wish you hadn't said anything because I'm...sort of counting on it. I set traps when I argue. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587797/#p587797 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Chris,You're done here. I guess this conveniently absents you from having to explain your stance, but I'd be curious about your answers to the following questions.1. On whose word were the doors locked while 400k ballots were counted? Is there, say, camera footage or testimony from a credible source which proves that this took place?2. Flip this on its ear. Let's say I came forward and said that four hundred thousand Trump votes were counted in Florida on Tuesday night behind locked doors, and Biden should've taken Florida without a problem. How would you feel, and how would you react?3. I've been watching the New York Times tick slowly, slowly upward. Do you know how long it takes to count 40 votes? Do you know how much of a shitstorm there would be if this were provably true?When you've got ten minutes to spare, check out this link:https://www.newsguardtech.com/election- … n-tracker/All but four or so of the sources quoted there are right-leaning, and have been highlighted as having published provably false info about elections. In most cases, they make a claim that gets smashed. In most of those cases, they are hostile to correction or simply refuse to comment. I don't believe I saw even one of them essentially say "yeah, guys, our bad. We'll fix that".The left is not by any means guiltless on this score, but the skew is pretty one-sided, IMO.So why did I post that link? It's to show you the hill you've got to climb, Chris. Republicans have been making silly claims about this election, and a whole lot of other things, for months. Most of them lack any merit. I can't find a single source that supports the claim your own source puts forth. It's not true just because Rudi said so.Also, another link smashing voter-fraud claims:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check … -watchers/There have been things done that aren't ideal. For instance, the claim that people have been denied access to counting places before eventually being let in? Not great, though it's only happened to a few people. And the idea that...oh no wait, I've got nothing else. That's about the most credible claim.And I'm not even touching the other side. The bit where armed Trump supporters stood outside counting places screaming and protesting to either "count the vote" (Arizona) or "stop the count" (Michigan, Pennsylvania). The bit where two armed men approached a counting place with illegal firearms on their persons and in their vehicle. The bit where a Georgia ballot worker's personal info was put onto social media and he was issued death threats, action which drove him to stop counting ballots, leave his home and stay with friends. The man's afraid to drive his own car or be in his own home at the risk of being attacked. Or the bit where three hundred thousand ostensibly missing ballots are just kind of being ignored because they got lost in the mail. Or the bit where republicans have been doing everything they could to suppress votes and cast doubt on those which arrived.Um...I don't know about you, but a few small indiscretions, stacked up against all that, is a drop of water compared to the ocean, bro. Perspective. You don't have it.let me clarify this for you.Republicans have intimidated, bullied, cheated, manipulated the law, slowed the postal service, ignored court orders, issued death threats in order to contest the validity of this election. Donald Trump urged republicans to vote in person, not by mail, and republicans fixed it so that in places like Pennsylvania, mail-in ballots received by the legally approved time would still be counted later. In other words, it was all set up to make the case against mail-in ballots look like Biden "stole" the election. And you bought it.Republicans rigged the system, managed to lose in spite of that, and are now furious about it, so much so that they're baselessly accusing democrats of something, anything that might work. And you support this? Dude, any respect I had for your character is done. Wrecked.But hey, if you want to go and actually answer my questions, I'll listen. If you don't, well, that's your business of course. But it sounds to me like you're not interested in truth. You're interested in a narrative that suits your agenda. And I'll be honest with you. I'm not really surprised. You're the dude whose Manamon 2 stream I had to stop watching because of the way you were laughing at the Sangora plot line and demonizing her for the mess she was in. No consideration for how Norman left her alone, despite claiming to love her; apparently his manamon journey was more important than his love. And far more importantly, no discussion at all (not that I heard, anyway) of the dude who knew he was ill, and seduced Sangora and made her sick. For you, it was all about how silly it was that she'd put herself in that position. For me, it was about three people, all of whom made mistakes, som
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election ROFL Chris, this website is geared at the liberal point of view? What a crock.Tell me why you and all the other outspoken conservatives in this topic haven't been silenced then huh?What about my post, right above yours.Get ahold of your self and stop with this pathetic victim narrative. Actions speak louder than words goes both ways.@JaydePrepare to get ripped apart for the last part of your previous post. You should have separated political leanings from personal morals in your criticisms.You could be right sure, but it's not worth it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587795/#p587795 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election ROFL Chris, this website is geared at the liberal point of view? What a crock.Tell me why you and all the other outspoken conservatives in this topic haven't been silenced then huh?What about my post, right above yours.Get ahold of your self and stop with this pathetic victim narrative.@JaydePrepare to get ripped apart for the last part of your previous post. You should have separated political leanings from personal morals in your criticisms.You could be right sure, but it's not worth it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587795/#p587795 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election ROFL Chris, this website is geared at the liberal point of view? What a crock.Tell me why you and all the other outspoken conservatives in this topic haven't been silenced then huh?What about my post, right above yours.Get ahold of your self and stop with this pathetic victim narrative.@JaydePrepare to get mostly rightfully ripped apart for the last part of your previous post. You should have separated political leanings from personal morals. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587795/#p587795 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election ROFL Chris, this website is geared at the liberal point of view? What a crock.Tell me why you and all the other outspoken conservatives in this topic haven't been silenced then huh?What about my post, right above yours.Get ahold of your self and stop with this pathetic victim narrative.@JaydePrepare to get mostly rightfully ripped apart for the last part of your previous post. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587795/#p587795 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election ROFL Chris, this website is geared at the liberal point of view? What a crock.Tell me why you and all the other outspoken conservatives in this topic haven't been silenced then huh?What about my post, right above yours.Get ahold of your self and stop with this pathetic victim narrative. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587795/#p587795 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Chris,You're done here. I guess this conveniently absents you from having to explain your stance, but I'd be curious about your answers to the following questions.1. On whose word were the doors locked while 400k ballots were counted? Is there, say, camera footage or testimony from a credible source which proves that this took place?2. Flip this on its ear. Let's say I came forward and said that four hundred thousand Trump votes were counted in Florida on Tuesday night behind locked doors, and Biden should've taken Florida without a problem. How would you feel, and how would you react?3. I've been watching the New York Times tick slowly, slowly upward. Do you know how long it takes to count 40 votes? Do you know how much of a shitstorm there would be if this were provably true?When you've got ten minutes to spare, check out this link:https://www.newsguardtech.com/election- … n-tracker/All but four or so of the sources quoted there are right-leaning, and have been highlighted as having published provably false info about elections. In most cases, they make a claim that gets smashed. In most of those cases, they are hostile to correction or simply refuse to comment. I don't believe I saw even one of them essentially say "yeah, guys, our bad. We'll fix that".The left is not by any means guiltless on this score, but the skew is pretty one-sided, IMO.So why did I post that link? It's to show you the hill you've got to climb, Chris. Republicans have been making silly claims about this election, and a whole lot of other things, for months. Most of them lack any merit. I can't find a single source that supports the claim your own source puts forth. It's not true just because Rudi said so.Also, another link smashing voter-fraud claims:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check … -watchers/There have been things done that aren't ideal. For instance, the claim that people have been denied access to counting places before eventually being let in? Not great, though it's only happened to a few people. And the idea that...oh no wait, I've got nothing else. That's about the most credible claim.And I'm not even touching the other side. The bit where armed Trump supporters stood outside counting places screaming and protesting to either "count the vote" (Arizona) or "stop the count" (Michigan, Pennsylvania). The bit where two armed men approached a counting place with illegal firearms on their persons and in their vehicle. The bit where a Georgia ballot worker's personal info was put onto social media and he was issued death threats, action which drove him to stop counting ballots, leave his home and stay with friends. The man's afraid to drive his own car or be in his own home at the risk of being attacked. Or the bit where three hundred thousand ostensibly missing ballots are just kind of being ignored because they got lost in the mail. Or the bit where republicans have been doing everything they could to suppress votes and cast doubt on those which arrived.Um...I don't know about you, but a few small indiscretions, stacked up against all that, is a drop of water compared to the ocean, bro. Perspective. You don't have it.let me clarify this for you.Republicans have intimidated, bullied, cheated, manipulated the law, slowed the postal service, ignored court orders, issued death threats in order to contest the validity of this election. Donald Trump urged republicans to vote in person, not by mail, and republicans fixed it so that in places like Pennsylvania, mail-in ballots received by the legally approved time would still be counted later. In other words, it was all set up to make the case against mail-in ballots look like Biden "stole" the election. And you bought it.Republicans rigged the system, managed to lose in spite of that, and are now furious about it, so much so that they're baselessly accusing democrats of something, anything that might work. And you support this? Dude, any respect I had for your character is done. Wrecked.But hey, if you want to go and actually answer my questions, I'll listen. If you don't, well, that's your business of course. But it sounds to me like you're not interested in truth. You're interested in a narrative that suits your agenda. And I'll be honest with you. I'm not really surprised. You're the dude whose Manamon 2 stream I had to stop watching because of the way you were laughing at the Sangora plot line and demonizing her for the mess she was in. No consideration for how Norman left her alone, despite claiming to love her; apparently his manamon journey was more important than his love. And far more importantly, no discussion at all (not that I heard, anyway) of the dude who knew he was ill, and seduced Sangora and made her sick. For you, it was all about how silly it was that she'd put herself in that position. For me, it was about three people, all of whom made mistakes, som
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election
Re: Discussion of the 2020 American Federal Election Chris,You're done here. I guess this conveniently absents you from having to explain your stance, but I'd be curious about your answers to the following questions.1. On whose word were the doors locked while 400k ballots were counted? Is there, say, camera footage or testimony from a credible source which proves that this took place?2. Flip this on its ear. Let's say I came forward and said that four hundred thousand Trump votes were counted in Florida on Tuesday night behind locked doors, and Biden should've taken Florida without a problem. How would you feel, and how would you react?3. I've been watching the New York Times tick slowly, slowly upward. Do you know how long it takes to count 40 votes? Do you know how much of a shitstorm there would be if this were provably true?When you've got ten minutes to spare, check out this link:https://www.newsguardtech.com/election- … n-tracker/All but four or so of the sources quoted there are right-leaning, and have been highlighted as having published provably false info about elections. In most cases, they make a claim that gets smashed. In most of those cases, they are hostile to correction or simply refuse to comment. I don't believe I saw even one of them essentially say "yeah, guys, our bad. We'll fix that".The left is not by any means guiltless on this score, but the skew is pretty one-sided, IMO.So why did I post that link? It's to show you the hill you've got to climb, Chris. Republicans have been making silly claims about this election, and a whole lot of other things, for months. Most of them lack any merit. I can't find a single source that supports the claim your own source puts forth. It's not true just because Rudi said so.But yeah. If you want to go and actually answer my questions, I'll listen. If you don't, well, that's your business of course. But it sounds to me like you're not interested in truth. You're interested in a narrative that suits your agenda. And I'll be honest with you. I'm not really surprised. You're the dude whose Manamon 2 stream I had to stop watching because of the way you were laughing at the Sangora plot line and demonizing her for the mess she was in. No consideration for how Norman left her alone, despite claiming to love her; apparently his manamon journey was more important than his love. And far more importantly, no discussion at all (not that I heard, anyway) of the dude who knew he was ill, and seduced Sangora and made her sick. For you, it was all about how silly it was that she'd put herself in that position. For me, it was about three people, all of whom made mistakes, some of them bigger than others.But wait, I hear you ask. What has this got to do with supporting Trump?Here, I'll explain. It's pretty simple, actually. A person with that base level of contempt for women is probably more apt to follow the guidance of a misogynist, in my experience. It fits the puzzle, is what I'm saying. Not all Trump supporters feel this way, by any means, but most people who harbour this level of contempt aren't terribly interested in things like equality, truth, transparency and ethics. But hey, maybe I'm wrong, and you've actually got credible reason to say what you say and do what you do. And maybe there's a good reason you haven't provided it yet. It's possible. Almost anything is possible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/587788/#p587788 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
