Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Up to 10 friends who post a ton and still not seeing issues. the page acts a bit more squirly, I suppose, stopping if something new comes in and sort of refusing to let me scrol down, but that particular problem fixes itself with a bit of time and patience. The mobile site doesn't do that obviously, but I don't think it refreshes itself in realtime, either. This leads me to conclude that if I'm going to have a ton of accessibility issues they're going to come as the result of having lots and lots of friends, which makes logical sense. Tons of people posting, page that refreshes itself to keep up on a regular basis, jumpy screen reader. If this isn't happening with JAWS, I humbly submit that might be attributed to two things. First, the amount of time that JAWS has been in development versus NVDA. Second, the amount of time that has been put into aria applications in general, which is a topic I've heard discuss ed as early as 2007 where JAWS is concerned. In the end all we can do is shake our heads and say, sad but true. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=296280#p296280 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Facebook crashing on iOS? Never occurred to me. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=296264#p296264 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Well, not just the website itself having problem, but sometimes their app crashes on iOS devices too. I heard many people complain about it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=296256#p296256 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Certainly you can, and I do sometimes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=296146#p296146 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Yeah, but cheating in a wordprocessor is so much fun! I mean, you can spellcheck it later if you need to as well! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=296114#p296114 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks I have another trick to avoid cheating, that is, refresh the screen when you're in an edit box, and then the screen reader will not get away from the text field URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=296103#p296103 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks ah yeah that works too I guess. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=296035#p296035 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks I'm such a cheater; I write it out in a word processor and paste it in later. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=296023#p296023 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks I do like chrome but there is one major issue, anytime where you have to write text in an edit box, its not allowing NVDA to read the text to review it, also in gmail on chrome, right arrow at the end of a document takes out out of the edit box. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295959#p295959 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Well, JAWS and Facebook seem to get along significantly better when they meet in Chrome. I'm starting to get back to the traditional site again aside from the facebook app on iOS. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295935#p295935 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks I think they'd drive up their trafic counter if they actually did it that way, and not just blind people, either. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295920#p295920 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Got a bunch of things to talk about here so let's see if I can organize them in some fassion.First of all, I'm surprised no one here mentioned any of the keyboard shortcuts on the facebook page (I believe pressing the question mark key opens a list). You will need your browse mode off for these to do anything. Anyway, using J and K you can read through your news feed, L likes a post, O opens any links that may be in one and C jumps to the comment box. Finally, you can also press P to jump to the what's on your mind? box to make a new post. I just tried to find it manually with nvda and firefox and it's there, but for some reason Facebook has now put all of the posting controls into a dialogue and NVDA doesn't focus controls inside nested elements if you use quick navigation keys. But if you were to go to the heading for the news feed, then move up, it will say dialogue and if you then press enter you can get to it manually.NVDA vs JAWS on facebook... Yeah, JAWS does seem to work a bit better. But I'm going to put most of the blaim here on Firefox. The new versions are really awful and slow, I had sighted people tell me that scrolling the page was unresponsive on this I7-6700 while doing a Google search with no screen reader running. With NVDA, which is written in python (a slower interpreted language) this is made worse. On sites with a lot of _javascript_, I always get tons of lag, on Youtube, any news sites, and with facebook it becomes really obvious. If I'm scrolling down the news feed, The browser often freezes for long enough that Windows gets confused and considers FF not responding. Sometimes, it might not keep up with NVDA and scroll into a comment box 2 or 3 posts up which makes NVDA go into focus mode even if I don't want it to. And when I'm writing, whenever auto complete tries to work it also causes firefox to go not responding which produces a lt of speech. With JAWS, I still ge t the moments of not responding firefox if I'm typing and autocomplete pops up, but there's almost no lag when navigating and I don't get randomly jumping focus.So, if you want to use NVDA with the desktop facebook site, use Chrome, hel, use Chrome for just about everything and you'll be surprised how much faster it is, remember your Facebook hotkeys, and you should be good. Sadly the FB page is still extremely cluttered and the more advanced things you can do are still frustrating to do just because of how much crap there is on the page.As for the API, the main reason FB doesn't want people to just make straight up clients for facebook or Messenger is because they lose control over it. They can't push promoted stories, auto-playing ads, stupid "show off your day" sections that really have no place in a chatting application IMO, etc, because a custom client could just filter them and FB couldn't do a thing about it. We ll, sort of, because they just killed the API and that was that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295906#p295906 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks and the fact that twitter has a character limit at all, that's the reason why I'll never use it.Who the hell wants to see this:just poured tea into my teacup #teaI'm taking the dog for a walk #dog #walkWhile as facebook contains many lengthy articles, indeed a few of my own, going on this tyrade or that.So meh, as long as Twitter wants to limit food for thought, they're also going to stay Lord Lundin free.Speaking of food ... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295895#p295895 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks I'm using mobile Facebook most of the time. I have to agree that the regular Facebook site really sucks sometimes. For example, I just tried both in Firefox and Chrome to access "What's on your mind" edit field by using the quick nav key E with NVDA. The result is, it will allow me to focus search box, but after that it will say "no more edit fields" in Firefox, or in case of Chrome, it'll skip "what's on your mind" and instead will throw me at comment input field for the last published status on a news feed. The workaround for me was to go to first subheading at the news feed with H key, than go to "what's on your mind" with either Shift+F, Shift+E or whatever similar worked. But this works sometimes, and sometimes doesn't.Next, since I'm Windows 10 user, I've tried Facebook universal app, AKA Metro app. The first time I've tried it, it's accessibility wasn't so bad, but far from very good. Now they even made it worse, since I can't focus edit fields for entering username and password anymore, and I tried both with NVDA and Narrator.And when we are at Narrator, as a last thing, I've tried accessing regular Facebook site with Narrator and Microsoft Edge, by using Narrator's scan mode. And I was really surprised. It actually allowed me to get to "what's on your mind" field. Now that's interesting, probably should try it with NVDA as well, since it's getting better support for Edge.And as a conclusion: For me personally mobile Facebook site or Android/iOS app is currently way to go for accessing Facebook. I also like Twitter more, despite the 140 character limit in tweets, but the problem is that here in ex Yugoslavia area Facebook is just more popular, and I should say Unfortunately at this time.Edit: Just to mention that I'm talking about Narrator/Edge combination in current Win10 insider build, a nd not current official version. This is what will come in Creators Update this year. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295881#p295881 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks I'm using mobile Facebook most of the time. I have to agree that the regular Facebook site really sucks sometimes. For example, I just tried both in Firefox and Chrome to access "What's on your mind" edit field by using the quick nav key E with NVDA. The result is, it will allow me to focus search box, but after that it will say "no more edit fields" in Firefox, or in case of Chrome, it'll skip "what's on your mind" and instead will throw me at comment input field for the last published status on a news feed. The workaround for me was to go to first subheading at the news feed with H key, than go to "what's on your mind" with either Shift+F, Shift+E or whatever similar worked. But this works sometimes, and sometimes doesn't.Next, since I'm Windows 10 user, I've tried Facebook universal app, AKA Metro app. The first time I've tried it, it's accessibility wasn't so bad, but far from very good. Now they even made it worse, since I can't focus edit fields for entering username and password anymore, and I tried both with NVDA and Narrator.And when we are at Narrator, as a last thing, I've tried accessing regular Facebook site with Narrator and Microsoft Edge, by using Narrator's scan mode. And I was really surprised. It actually allowed me to get to "what's on your mind" field. Now that's interesting, probably should try it with NVDA as well, since it's getting better support for Edge.And as a conclusion: For me personally mobile Facebook site or Android/iOS app is currently way to go for accessing Facebook. I also like Twitter more, despite the 140 character limit in tweets, but the problem is that here in ex Yugoslavia area Facebook is just more popular, and I should say Unfortunately at this time. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295881#p295881 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Hmmm! Just out of curiosity, have you disabled _javascript_? If you have, more than likely that'll be the issue. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295861#p295861 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Yeah I can confirm that I cannot access 'what's on your mine' even from the Alt Shift 2 screen anymore on firefox. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295860#p295860 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks tens of thousands? J Squared I mean Jack, I think that's more like tens of billions. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295858#p295858 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Chris and Brandon, I'll bet Facebook is aware of the Leasey package optimizing the fb site for accessibility. So to answer your question, yes, it is in deed using Jaws scripts. The optimization at least. F123 is moving in the right direction, I do hope they'll do something with the facebook site. And yes, it's no wonder Facebook is losing popularity even among the sighted community if you think about it. Twitter is more open. Just wait till Twitter adds in voice calling if they ever do, and you'll probably see users leaving Fb in droves. Definitely not saying that'll happen, Twitter is probably not gonna do calling, but just if it did happen, that'd be my prediction for the outcome. But Chris is absolutely right. They're doing accessibility wrong. I don't care what they do to the site, but if they don't even so much as allow third-party devs who know the ropes to try and help, then they're already doing it wrong. What's with t hese twisted motives anyway? They're losing users by being soft at work at making things accessible. Oh well, a few thousand users that is us is nothing to them compared to the tens of thousands already on Fb and not inconvenienced in the least. It's like Microsoft and how they were so desperate to get people on windows 10 they almost legit considered allowing pirated versions of windows to upgrade to windows 10 provided the non-genuine nag screen stays put. They didn't do it, but the fact that they so much as considered it showed their desperation clear as day. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295851#p295851 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks not so much that they only support jaws, they do mention voice over on the mac with safari. I just get this feeling like they want you to be using jaws with it, no I don't think they use jaws scripts. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295825#p295825 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks If MS manages to do even more than they have already with narrator, then FS really does have a hard task ahead of them, as free screen readers will soon replace the norm of having to shell out thousands for productivity's sake. I'm not going to keep holding my breath though, and until I'm convinced, windows 7 and NVDA still work quite well for my needs. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295823#p295823 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks @Jack, if that is true, I am appauled! Then again, Fb can do whatever they want. It reminds me of Apple's "YOu'll take it and you'll like it or take a hike" attitude.I'm not sure what to think about this JAWS only thing for Facebook. If they use standard web accessibility guidelines, all well designed screen readers should be able to interact with the site just fine. I hope they aren't using JAWS scripts or some other nonsense. The less I say about JAWS the better. They've got competition from NVDA and Narrator. That's right! I said Narrator. I'm incredibly excited about the next version of Windows 10. I haven't been this excited about Windows since forever. I wonder how well Narrator works with Facebook? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295819#p295819 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks @Jack, if that is true, I am appauled! Then again, Fb can do whatever they want. It reminds me of Apple's "YOu'll take it and you'll like it or take a hike" attitude.I'm not sure what to think about this JAWS only thing for Facebook. If they use standard web accessibility guidelines, all screen readers should be able to interact with the site just fine. I hoope they aren't using JAWS scripts or some other nonsense. The less I say about JAWS the better. They've got competition from NVDA and Narrator. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295819#p295819 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks @ironcross32,Oddness; I'll have to be on the lookout for all of the other stuff you've described above as well given that I currently only have two friends on facebook anyway, which means I'm hardly getting much at this point in time. For the time being though, this topic and indeed this subject perplexes me a bit, as it seems thus far I haven't encountered any accessibility problems. Lag? for sure! Funky dialogues? Definitely! And will I be playing any of their games? Probably not, but I thought you used it mostly like twitter and the like, and everyone I've talked to says definitely stick to the mobile side of things, but I like playing with difficulty, so I'll run around on the main page and see what there is to see if anything. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295813#p295813 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks @Nocturnus for me that used to work however I am not able to access the 'what's on your mind' box anymore to post, I can still share though, but again reading through stories works when it wants to and is flaky most times.@Afrim there are many many criticisms I have about Freedom Scientific and their approach to screen readers and ethical business practices but I wasn't intending to accuse them of the problem that the Facebook accessibility team doesn't acknowledge NVDA as a possible solution. Of course that is not their fault and they have been around before FS was even a thing, back when Henter-Joyce was producing it and then in 2000, HJ, Arkenstone and Blazie Engineering teamed up to form FS. I've used jaws since 3.5 to about 9.0 and after that I moved to NVDA and am happy there. My point is they are the forerunners, and so are the most visible, so of course folks hoping to implement solutions to make their site more accessible are going to see Jaws before or even if they see NVDA. I'm hoping that will change but I want to stay off that particular discussion.I honestly really only get on there to catch up with people, I have no great desire to use the service so it doesn't really matter to me too much, but if they're going to do accessibility, do the thing right at least. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295782#p295782 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Three posts later, because you know, these three posts are the first three posts I've ever posted to facebook in my life, I'm still not getting it. Alt shift 2 to get to my page, e to get to the edit field, enter, type, escape to get out of edit field, find post button, activate, post. when I want to share something, that's even easier; I hit the link, button or element on the page in question that says share and I'm presented with the editfield right off the bat with a chance to type out a little something concerning my thoughts on that particular page or article or whatever. So, what's the secret? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295773#p295773 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks @Ironcross, right, the facebook accessibility team is responsible for acknowledging only JAWS, but JAWS is not guilty in this case. The reason, as I mentioned before is because other screen readers do not have the popularity of JAWS, plus JAWS is the screen reader recommended by all the public institutions who hire blind people, and JAWS is also acknowledged by all the schools who respect accessibility standards. Now, answering your question "why is only JAWS acknowledged" is a completely different theme. If the other screen readers from NVDA to System Access are recognised in different institutions, then there is a chance that they could gain more popularity and support as well. This is a matter of their developers and anyone who cares about these screen readers. An example of how a screen reader can be recognised is the case of Super Nova and SaraTech who offer free licenses to Scottish blind students. However, Supernova is not recognised only in Scotland, but also in some other cities of England that employ accessibility standards.Now, I tested the facebook site with both JAWS and NVDA, and it turned out that NVDA touched the "What's on your mind?" edit box, and jumped on the comments of the first story. With JAWS, it doesn't, but I don't call this screen reader acknowledgement, because they've not done anything significant to improve the experience with JAWS on Facebook. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295770#p295770 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks While I don't know much about this, apparently, the Hims Twitter client does not use the streaming API. Instead, you have to manually refresh your timeline every time you want to get new tweets. Also, I doubt they've kept up to date with the latest changes in the Twitter API, such as mentions not counting towards your character limit. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295742#p295742 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Ok, what am I missing? You click on the link that says your name, e to the edit field that says what's on your mind, type, hit escape, downarrow or hit b to get to the post button and it's done. The dialogues such as the notification one look fairly dooable if not likeable; thus far no problems, which probably means I either logged into the wrong site or my NVDA and FF just like me better, which I don't buy one bit. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295730#p295730 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Chris, apparently they kind of police what you can do with the api. It's not as easy as creating a developer profile and adding a program, which is what you can do for twitter. I for example have already done it, on Twitter, making an experimental twitter bot, but the process was seemless. NOt the case with facebook. They want you to quote unquote be innovative with the api. They're expecting things like games that utilize the api, and what they don't want is apps that utilize the entire api so as to replace Facebook's own stuff. And that my friends is how you know they're doing it wrong. When they think that their soltuion is the only one and are willing to stand behind that judgement. Twitter on the other hand has a pretty good accessibility team working to improve native accessibility, but acknowledges that there are other solutions out there that may provide a better and more accessible user experience. That's how accessibility should be done. In short, know your place among others is a general rule for these companies. Hmm, now that I think about it, I'm wondering if Facebook's strict policies regarding api use had a partial hand in making social-eyes paid? Gw Squared's responsible for the high price, but I'm starting to wonder, there may be more to it than just that. Sadly wouldn't surprise me if there was. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295726#p295726 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Chris, apparently they kind of police what you can do with the api. It's not as easy as creating a developer profile and adding a program, which is what you can do for twitter. I for example have already done it, on Twitter, making an experimental twitter bot, but the process was seemless. NOt the case with facebook. They want you to quote unquote be innovative with the api. They're expecting things like games that utilize the api, and what they don't want is apps that utilize the entire api so as to replace Facebook's own stuff. And that my friends is how you know they're doing it wrong. When they think that their soltuion is the only one and are willing to stand behind that judgement. Twitter on the other hand has a pretty good accessibility team working to improve native accessibility, but acknowledges that there are other solutions out there that may provide a better and more accessible user experience. That's how accessibility should be done. In short, know your place among others is a general rule for these companies. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295726#p295726 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks
2017-02-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Hi folks, Instead of using the "mobile" site for FB, I myself prefer using the "touch" one:http://touch.facebook.com, which is great for tablets as well.For calls if you are on a computer, why not use:http://messenger.cominstead?Lastly, at least with Chromevox Next via Chrome OS, working good! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295707#p295707 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Not to mention that the HIMS Sense line starting with I believe Sense V8.2 have Facebook support as a native client, located within the Social Networking menu in the Main menu. But, there are some things you have to do to get it working first. For one, when you first try to sign in, it won't let you, since it thinks the Sense notetakers are not trusted, so you have to go and change that, since it also says you're signing in from South Korea, since that's where the main HIMS office is. I can't remember how to do it, mainly because I'm not interested, but there are some users on the HIMS Notetakers list that tell you how to do it, and I believe the user manual has some instructions too, if I'm not mistaken. It also has a Twitter client, but I can't give a say on how those two clients work. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295695#p295695 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks I would really like to know what the big deal is concerning the refusal to create an API. The main reason I quit using Facebook after briefly trying it in 2014 was the simple fact that the website was awful! Why won't they allow third party developers to create a simple program that accesses all the basic features of the service? What happened to that GW Social program? Is it even actively being developed or did they scrap it because no one was paying for it. That still makes my skin crawl when I think about what the people at GW did.As for the mobile apps, I'm never using those again. For some reason, they take up hundreds of megabytes of storage and constantly grow as more data is added. I thought this was a web service, not a "let's download a ton of garbage to your device" service. In short, I'm not touching Facebook again until I can download a simple program on my computer to access the service. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295694#p295694 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks I would really like to know what the big deal is concerning FaceBook and the refusal to create an API. The main reason I quit using Facebook after briefly trying it in 2014 was the simple fact that the website was awful! Why won't they allow third party developers to create a simple program that accesses all the basic features of the service? What happened to that GW Social program? Is it even actively being developed or did they scrap it because no one was paying for it. That still makes my skin crawl when I think about what the people at GW did.As for the mobile apps, I'm never using those again. For some reason, they take up hundreds of megabytes of storage and constantly grow as more data is added. I thought this was a web service, not a "let's download a ton of garbage to your device" service. In short, I'm not touching Facebook again until I can download a simple program on my computer to access the service. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295694#p295694 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Not to mention the mobile site is not a full solution, as it is wy out of date compared to the main site, lacks things like making calls and such. And don't even get me started on how they severely limit the api access of developers. The tw blue developer said he could've made a facebook client, but they wouldn't let him. Twitter, on the other hand, not only is very good with third party devs, but acknowledges that things like Chicken Nugget, and a few web-based accessible twitter clients, do exists, and lists them right there in some accessibility articles. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295690#p295690 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks @Afrim yes it is the fault of the facebook accessibility team if their site works with jaws only or jaws and voice over, their posts do not even acknowledge that NVDA is a thing. I dont' want to get into a jaws vs other screnen readers argument though because I'll just go ape shit crazy, and I don't think anyone here wants that. My position on accessibility though is that all possible solutions should be investigated and or implemented or at least acknowledged. I use NVDA every day and have done since 2009, before that I was a Jaws user, and never again will go to jaws for any reason, but Jaws is an accessibility solution, and so should be acknowledged, which they are. But, what about Windoweyes, System access, and others.Moving through the edit boxes no longer works for finding what's on your mind. At least, not for me, using NVDA with FF. It just jumps from search right into comments on the first story. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295656#p295656 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks I find facebook perfectly accessible with NVDA on Firefox. Haven't had the problems you've described... but then again, I also use my phone for things and once you get that you will have to worry much less about it. But the main site does work. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295647#p295647 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Hello Ironcross, Well I think not much can be done to change this state of facebook's website at the moment we speak, because otherwise, they would need to completely change the interface of their website.I'm completely OK with JAWS and I don't know why people keep bashing about it. If certain websites are designed to better work and perform with JAWS, it's their fault, not JAWS's. Another reason is because NVDA does not have the popularity (in the community of developers at least) of JAWS and Window-eyes, although NVDA is way more popular in our community than Window-eyes.Anyway, since you mentioned the issue of posting on Facebook, I'd say, first make sure to use Firefox or Internet explorer and then sign in to your account. Go to the beginning of the page, by ctrl+home, and press E to navigate through the edit boxes. The first edit box is for searching for people, groups, pages and so on, while the next edit box is to go to the ar ea of posting, where you will hear "What's on your mind?". That, as the sentence suggests, is the edit box where you type the content of your post. That edit box also allows you to type the name of any friend or page and have it shown as a tag suggestion. Also, if you get out of the edit box, you have other options, such as add photo, add location, add feeling or activity, and so on.Hope this helps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295641#p295641 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks
Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Hello Ironcross, Well I think not much can be done to change this sate of facebook's website at the moment we speak, because otherwise, they would need to completely change the interface of their website.I'm completely OK with JAWS and I don't know why people keep bashing about it. If certain websites are designed to better work and perform with JAWS, it's their fault, not JAWS's. Another reason is because NVDA does not have the popularity (in the community of developers at least) of JAWS and Window-eyes, although NVDA is way more popular in our community than Window-eyes.Anyway, since you mentioned the issue of posting on Facebook, I'd say, first make sure to use Firefox or Internet explorer and then sign in to your account. Go to the beginning of the page, by ctrl+home, and press E to navigate through the edit boxes. The first edit box is for searching for people, groups, pages and so on, while the next edit box is to go to the are a of posting, where you will hear "What's on your mind?". That, as the sentence suggests, is the edit box where you type the content of your post. That edit box also allows you to type the name of any friend or page and have it shown as a tag suggestion. Also, if you get out of the edit box, you have other options, such as add photo, add location, add feeling or activity, and so on.Hope this helps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295641#p295641 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Socheat, I doubt the accessibility team will do much. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295620#p295620 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Facebook Accessibility Really Sucks Hmm, maybe reports all these things to the facebook accessibility team? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=295616#p295616 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
