Re: Going Linux
2020-10-20
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : potterspotter13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux Hey all,I'm looking to reinstall arch on one of my machiens, and just wanted to check on the status of the free OS arch installer project. Is it still maintained, and if not, how hard is it to fix? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/581654/#p581654 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Quick VMWare TipIf you ever receive a "System Program Problem Detected" message in an Ubuntu distro (possibly others), run the following command in a terminal:sudo rm /var/crash/*That normally has to only be done once. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578755/#p578755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Quick VMWare TipIf you ever receive a "System Program Problem Detected" message in an Ubuntu distro (possibly others), run the following command in a terminal:sudo rm /var/crash/* URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578755/#p578755 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @hailyThe link, is permanent.Though you should back up your voices of course, just in case. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/575611/#p575611 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @hailyThe link, is permanent. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/575611/#p575611 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux The thing that really grinds my gears about voxin, is how the only way you can access your voices is via a link they email you, and I'm not even sure how long it lasts. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/575603/#p575603 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Vocalizer Voices For Voxin, Now Available!For all the details, head on over to https://voxin.oralux.net/index.php, though I shall quote the following from the Prices page:"For Vocalizer embedded: discount on the second runtime of same quality.For example, if the "Nathan compact" and "Laila compact" voices are purchased, a discount is applied to the second voice.ItemPriceDiscountVoxin + IBM TTSUSD 4.610%Voxin + Vocalizer Embedded, CompactUSD 24.3236%Voxin + Vocalizer Embedded, ProUSD 28.6136%Voxin + Vocalizer Embedded, HighUSD 32.9136%Just maybe, more people will dive into Linux now, thanks to the arrival of Vocalizer voices.PS. Voxin is now at version 3.1. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/575593/#p575593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Vocalizer Voices For Voxin, Now Available!For all the details, head on over to https://voxin.oralux.net/index.php, though I shall quote the following from the Prices page:"For Vocalizer embedded: discount on the second runtime of same quality.For example, if the "Nathan compact" and "Laila compact" voices are purchased, a discount is applied to the second voice.ItemPriceDiscountVoxin + IBM TTSUSD 4.610%Voxin + Vocalizer Embedded, CompactUSD 24.3236%Voxin + Vocalizer Embedded, ProUSD 28.6136%Voxin + Vocalizer Embedded, HighUSD 32.9136%Just maybe, more people will dive into Linux now, thanks to the arrival of Vocalizer voices. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/575593/#p575593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @97, I haven't tested Kali in a while, and I've never tred Tails (primarily because I haven't had a need for that yet). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479660/#p479660 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Ethin wrote:@93, Tails is the kind of distro you boot and use, then unplug it and go on yoru way. Its a live-only dstro -- you don't install it, because that defeats the purpose of it. Kali is explicitly designed for penetration testing/security analysis.Did you test these two? and is there an accessible way of bootting live distros? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479621/#p479621 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux I forgot that the old topic existed. Oops. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479476/#p479476 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @everyoneJust so we have record of that talk about the Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome, from the Orca Mailing List...In other news, episodes 376 and 380 of the Going Linux Podcast are talking about switching from Windows to Linux. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479423/#p479423 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @everyoneJust so we have record of that talk about the Pre-testing of Orca with Chromium/Chrome, from the Orca Mailing List... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479423/#p479423 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @93, Tails is the kind of distro you boot and use, then unplug it and go on yoru way. Its a live-only dstro -- you don't install it, because that defeats the purpose of it. Kali is explicitly designed for penetration testing/security analysis. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479419/#p479419 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Hi.Any of You guys had experienced with tails or either Kali? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479415/#p479415 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Since that thread was deleted, I thought I would write up a post on how I was thinking of leaving linux, but I have now had my mind changed. I have been running Linux since 2011 or so, and I was considering leaving Linux for Windows because of the lack of Chrome support in Orca. After reading a link posted by queenslight, I have now realized that Chrome support is much closer to being done than I thought. This is why I wish Brad had not deleted his post, and how asking for help can help more than just yourself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479411/#p479411 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Also. Trying out NixOS as a server-based Linux OS. Its worked pretty amazingly thus far with a few minor issues i.e. cargo can't find openssl for Rust). Should try it as a desktop version... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479406/#p479406 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @EthinYep? I couldn't agree more. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479400/#p479400 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux The fact that Brad deleted the topic is just ridiculous. I thought we actually might have some new converts, then he did that. How selfish. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479389/#p479389 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Back From The DeadAlthough you can find a more current discussion about Linux by journeying on over here, over the coming days I'll be adding links to podcasts, accessible mainstream Linux Distros, and other resources to the entry post. As of now, I did do some formatting clean up and updated the intro a bit, since I have a thinkpad now.PS. Competition is good! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479374/#p479374 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Back From The DeadAlthough you can find a more current discussion about Linux by journeying on over here, over the coming days I'll be adding links to podcasts and other resources to the entry post. As of now, I did do some formatting clean up and updated the intro a bit, since I have a thinkpad now.PS. Competition is good! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/479374/#p479374 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Nope, @Potter, you can't. However, when sticky mode is on, you don't need the modifier keys. When sticky mode is on, it holds down the modifier keys URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411778/#p411778 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : potterspotter13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux @84:Thank you so much.I only ever use chromevox on my chromebook, so I've not had a use for sticky mode before, and didn't even know it could be done. wonder if I could just map the chromevox modifier to be insert? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411777/#p411777 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Okay, one more thing for ChromeVox, @Potter:I'd suggest digging through the settings to set ChromeVox up how you like. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411741/#p411741 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Here's what I do, @Potter:I usually just toggle sticky mode on or off. Double tap insert for that,and then it acts like NVDA in browse mode, for example, H for next heading, L for next link, B for button, et cetera.Not everything is bound by default (which is a pain), so I'd suggest running through the tutorial.One huge, huge tip is either Q or alt+shift+Q to switch between Chromevox Classic and Next. You need Next to view things like the settings, downloads, history, and so forth. However you can switch back to Classic at any time.I wish Orca would adopt a sticky mode type model, honestly, I really like that about ChromeVox, it's really, really easy once you understand it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411681/#p411681 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : potterspotter13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux Thank you.Next question, how do I navigate between next and previous heading, link, list, etc, because the modifier is shift pluss alt, therefor i can't use shift to go to previous items. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411675/#p411675 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @Potter:This should work, run it from a terminal or edit your shortcutchromium-browser --enable-speech-dispatcherYou need that last flag to get Chromium to speak, it uses speech-dispatcher, and it works well but YMMV URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411517/#p411517 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : potterspotter13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux I still haven't been able to get chromevox to work. I got the browser and extention installed, however it doesn't speak. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411479/#p411479 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Okay...sonoob question..But.got my new system up and going and it absolutely flies. So. Now. How to change the hostname...And more importantlyhow to change ChromeVox's speech volumeand how to install more voices for Orca? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411446/#p411446 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : potterspotter13 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux @78:Congrats, the pie is great for experementation. Personally I don't have one, but I will hopefull get one at some point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411266/#p411266 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Okay, I've ordered a Rasberry Pi 3B, so yeah, maybe I can get something out of Linux. I just have to lower my expectations a lot from Apple's high standard. Maybe that's been my problem. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411071/#p411071 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux I dug out my specs for my old desktop, and though they seem pretty decent, I've run into a lot of weird issues.First offthe specs, as from system monitorCPU:AMD Athlon (tm) II X4 640 x4RAM:8 GBHDD: 1TB SSDGraphics: Nvidia GTX 420So, based off of those specs.I'm not quite getting why things such as Firefox are either outright lagging, or feel slow. I'm well aware it's not some 20 core 16 GB of RAM monster system, but it certainly isn't some netbook either. I'm unsure what exactly is causing that slowdown really, if it's Ubuntu Mate having stuff going on, or my choice of programs.I mostly use it for everyday stuff like net browsing, streaming media, email, et cetera, so there's no logical reason why it should be struggling given that hardware. I'm unsure if changing distros would help, or if I should just change what I use for said activities. I've yet to find a web browser besides Chromium that feels responsive. THe strangest part isI have my laptop, which is a worse spec bar the processor, and the exact same distro flies on that laptop, whereas it struggles on my desktop. It mostly seems to struggle with Firefox and Thunderbird, versus something like Chromium, which uses (supposedly) more memory yet feels faster and is more stable. Do I just need to change up my programs to get my Ubuntu system to fly again?What would you all suggest to help with this? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410784/#p410784 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : black and white via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux I'd rather learn linux by means of virtualizing and such before going linux. Or maybe buying a low-end vps to tryout things.There's a problem: When I install arch on VMWare it freezes up after a while. It seems the OS itself has freezed up because I can open VMWare menus and such.On virtualbox there's no such issue but I've got sound issues instead there. The sound's all choppy in there.Also another question about linux:Is there an accessible remote desktop tool for linux like RDP in windows where I could open orca and other GUI-based apps?As far as I know TightVNC doesn't transmit sound so it is unusable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410753/#p410753 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @74Nope, I have not. Will go and investegate! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410650/#p410650 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-09
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Re: Going Linux @72:Have you tried the limbo PC emulator for android with a minimal debian qcow2 image with speakup loaded into the kernel?That's what I use and it works. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410615/#p410615 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Same distro as me QueensOkay, speaking of email.and browsers, I have an 11-12 year old system and Firefox tends to lag. So. What can I do to speed it up on Mate 18.04? I know it's down ot hardware because, well, I've got the same setup on my I7 machineand that absolutely flies.So for my older systemwhat would you guys recommend for browser/email that works better with my setup? I've tried Mutt. Command line is insanely fast.Also, I've heard nothing but bad about Evolution BUT if that's improved, I'm willing to give it another go. I was debating jumping back to Solus in a live system to see if that improved Firefox's performance any. Too lazy though and I happen to like Ubuntu's stuff in their repos. That being said, if it is down to hardware, it won't really make a drastic performance improvement. now, will it?Also, FF gripe with Orca, is it me or did the Addons manager suddenly quit working with Orca? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410584/#p410584 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @71Thanks!Ah yes, the "dark side" of Apple. I am gonna be "hopefully" picking up an "IPad Mini 5" when it comes out, though won't purchase it till later on in the year.At least whenn it comes to SSH and FTP on Mobile, apps on Apple are highly superior than in the Android camp! At least when it comes to actually "using" them. But that topic, is for another day. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410578/#p410578 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-09
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Re: Going Linux @69:Yes, I have tested some of those, KDE (accessibility is a work-in-progress), KDE plasma (same as KDE) and XFCE (works fine)@70:Welcome to the dark side (not the apple one) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410577/#p410577 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Well gang, As of the 8th of February 2019 at 12:00 PM Mountain Standard Time, I have officially "Gone Linux!"As of this writing, I am using Ubuntu 18.04.1 Long Term Support, with "Mate" being my desktop of choice, on this Dell Venue 11 Pro 7140.Finding out that I have a "Solid State Drive" of 125GB (with 10GB for the OS itself,) plus the 128GB Micro SD card happily chilling alongside, 253gb of space is a comforting place!NB. I do use the cloud a lot too, thus space ain't a worry for me.So now the big question folks...Would I ever go back to Windows in the future, or at least have it in a "virtual machine" alongside Ubuntu?I will share about that among the Accessible Gaming On Linux And Chrome OS topic, but in short, if more Windows developers "were willing" to take the time to "port" their games to Linux in some form, thus making it have more of an adoption, there would be no need to! At leasst, not for what I personally do with my computer.Music remixing, text adventure gaming, email, web surfing, etc. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410569/#p410569 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Well gang, As of the 8th of February 2019 at 12:00 PM Mountain Standard Time, I have officially "Gone Linux!"As of this writing, I am using Ubuntu 18.04.1 Long Term Support, with "Mate" being my desktop of choice, on this Dell Venue 11 Pro 7140.Finding out that I have a "Solid State Drive" of 125GB (with 10GB for the OS itself,) plus the 128GB Micro SD card happily chilling alongside, 253gb of space is a comforting place!NB. I do use the cloud a lot too, thus space ain't a worry for me.So now the big question folks...Would I ever go back to Windows in the future, or at least have it in a "virtual machine" alongside Ubuntu?I will share about this more in the Accessible Gaming On Linux And Chrome OS topic, but in short, if more Windows developers "were willing" to take the time to "port" their games to Linux in some form, thus making it have more of an adoption, there would be no need to! At leasst, not for what I personally do with my computer.Music remixing, text adventure gaming, email, web surfing, etc. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410569/#p410569 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux My unwillingness to make it work through admittedly hawkish means? What, using an operating system is "hackish"?Also, have you tested Simimon, KDE, KDE Plasma, and XFCE, LXDE and Fluxbox and such with Orca? I was under the impression that a relatively popular distribution, Fedora, would be very much usable. But with, ironically, the settings center of Fedora being just about totally inaccessible, in an operating system where customization is king, I cannot give Linux much credit.Now, the credit I can give is the F123 project, working with the Raspberry Pi 3B, combining mostly CLI programs with scripts to make them more user friendly, like the Fleacolar script for setting up Mutt.That project may be the best, and actually organized, project we have dealing with Linux, and is a huge +1 for the "blindness distributions" argument. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410558/#p410558 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-09
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Re: Going Linux @67:I don't see really any validity in your points, apart from the one about needing windows for some tasks, games, etc and even then, my answer to that is qemu.As for mail clients, have you tried thunderbird on linux, or evolution?As for Linux accessibility (or, moreover, desktop environment accessibility) Gnome is not the only desktop environment out there.Cinnamon, mate, KDE, KDE plasma, XFCE, many out there.If linux isn't for you, that's fine, however, don't blame your unwillingness to make it work through admittedly hackish means on the operating system. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410555/#p410555 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Okay ya'll, these are my oppinions, as I've used Linux off and on for a few years now:TL; DR: I always go back to Windows because Linux accessibility issues, lack of features, and Windows has all the programs and games I need. And with chocolatey, it has a package manager, too.So, I first started Linux with Vinux on an old laptop that couldn't access its hard drive. Great, yes. I tren tried Sonar, which was the best distro for the blind, until it merged with Vixun and they both fell. Then I went with arch, which has also failed. Emacs and Emacspeak were working fine, I had Voxin, all was pretty nice, but few games, no good way to read email because Gnus and its rather iffy way of just marking emails as read instead of deleting them, but I loved how to showed conversations in a line, not a tree, and just went from one topic messages to the next, never skipping one like Mac Mail does sometimes with topics with lots of messages.I then went with Fedora, but again, no good mail client, no great games or sound packs, sure there's the Tintin-* sound packs, but seriously, they sound unprofessional at best, childish at worst. Again, these are opinions.So, a few weeks ago, I tried Slint. Beginner friendly? No, not at all, and sometimes the creator or Slint seems to not really know what he's doing. So, I went with the tried and somewhat true Fedora 29. Still a mess, Gnome control center is 10% accessible, such a joke. And this is what Orca is developed on?So, after all that mess, and Voxin not being supported on Fedora 29, or 28, or 27, or 26... I came to the conclution that I might as well just use Windows. Sure, there isn't a good mail client there, Thunderbird is accessible but not nearly efficient, and sure no Voxin, and no Emacspeak that is anywhere up-to-date and the one that we do have doesn't have support for voice-lock-mode, basically font changes for speech. But Windows has Windows Sonic for Headphones, sound enhancements, multiple GUI screen readers that are actually updated, not just clean of large bugs. Heck, Orca doesn't even have automatic language switching. Even TalkBack has that now, which is extremely embarrassing for any Linux user. Fenrir is pretty good, but really, I'd love to see some one use Facebook efficiently on the command line, or browse the audio games forum and post, thumb up, private message, all that as efficiently as in a GUI web browser.I've also come to the realization that Linux will never be for us. Sure, a few blind people good with scripting and coding could put together a distro, but it won't last that long, seen in the rise and fall of Sonar/Vinux. We are few, and even if a sighted developer is working on a screen reader near to the Gnome source, in fact I believe Orca is a Gnome project, just look at the Gnome settings center to see how well the other, non-disability-related developers listen to this one Orca developer. Seriously, if the blind want Linux, the "community" of Linux users and developers have to support them, not just say "yeah inclusion good hyuck hyuck."So, I'm back on Windows, and even though it isn't free and open and makes laptops general purpose computers again and all that, it at least is very accessible, has multiple screen readers that do a great job and have responsive and responsible developers that actually say more than "oh well such and such has to change the way they impliment this and that, and its their fault because they don't care, and "this is why we can't have nice things." referring to a hack to get some Gnome or Mate element working." Really, the Wild West isn't all its cracked up to be. Microsoft may not be the best company out there, but at least its employees are trying to make accessibility a big deal there, and the Linux community simply will not match that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410544/#p410544 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux So. QuestionMy ideal distro has these qualities1. Stable2. No EOL3. Quick development4. Easy for absolutely anyone to use5. Easy to install and configureSo. Given those. Which gets closest?I'll add 6* Must be accessible, for a live system that means Orca out of the box. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410438/#p410438 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @potterspotter13Congrats! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410144/#p410144 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-07
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Re: Going Linux So I have now "Gone Linux". Thanks to everyone who provided solutions to issues I braight up, on and off the forum. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410093/#p410093 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Ok, read the following page, carefully! https://www.lifewire.com/disable-autofi … me-4103633 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409772/#p409772 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux No that's not what I want. I want to turn the autofill off completely in Chromium, not delete my history and such. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409762/#p409762 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Going Linux Ah, ok!Press ctrl-shift-delete, then tab to the auto fill forms check box, and make sure its checked.Also, if said option isn't under the "basic" tab, its under advanced. You can also look under "privacy settings" as well, to be safe. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409754/#p409754 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Going Linux Thatunfortunately doesn't give any search results, I got into settings and looked for autofill. Nothing there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409744/#p409744 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Going Linux Search for the words auto fill, in the settings screen. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409743/#p409743 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Okay, next Chromium Q.How do I permanently turn off autofill for forms, exactly? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409736/#p409736 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Besides Chromevox with either Chrome or Chromium, your best GUI browsers include:1. Firefox (which comes with most distros by default.)2. SeamonkeyOther browsers include "Pale Moon" and "Waterfox," though you may have to install them manually. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409706/#p409706 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Going Linux For Chromevox with Chrome or Chromium, press alt-shift-q "twice" by default to switch between Chromevox Next and the same key combination "once" for going back to Chromevox classic.NB. When switching to Chromevox Next, make sure to press "CTRL-R" to do a page refresh. While in use, you can navigate the "Settings" and "Extension" screens with speech thankfully, unlike with Chromevox Classic. By the way, to make Chromevox work while in "private" windows, you need to use Chromevox Next to set that up, but then ya can go bck to Chromevox Classic if ya like tha setup. Please visit http://www.chromevox.com, for a list of Chromevox Next keyboard shortcuts. If you chose the "flat" key layout from Chromevox Classic for example, but then switch to Chromevox Next, you'll have to reset the keymap back to the one you were using, as yo'll be using the "Chromevox Next" key map.I hope the above makes sense there, and sorry for any typing errors which I may have missed!PS. Visit chrome://chrome-urlsfrom within the "omnibar," for a list of all of the Chrome URLs that can be gotten to from there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409699/#p409699 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux For Chromevox with Chrome or Chromium, press alt-shift-q "twice" by default to switch between Chromevox Next and the same key combination "once" for going back to Chromevox classic.NB. When switching to Chromevox Next, make sure to press "CTRL-R" to do a page refresh. While in use, you can navigate the "Settings" and "Extension" screens with speech thankfully, unlike with Chromevox Classic. By the way, to make Chromevox work while in "private" windows, you need to use Chromevox Next to set that up, but then ya can go bck to Chromevox Classic if ya like tha setup. Please visit http://www.chromevox.com, for a list of Chromevox Next keyboard shortcuts. If you chose the "flat" key layout from Chromevox Classic for example, but then switch to Chromevox Next, you'll have to reset the keymap back to the one you were using, as yo'll be using the "Chromevox Next" key map.I hope the above makes sense there... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409699/#p409699 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux On the note of default appsnano is VERY easy to use, Just type and hit ctrl+X to exit, it'll ask if you want to save the buffer, so hit yes to save it.Also, I'm liking Chromium and ChromeVox now I figured it out. The two things that bug mea) Settings can't be read by ChromeVox. b) The simple fact Chromevox won't work in incognito mode.Also, Pluma is something I personally prefer over Gedit.Also @Iron: You can turn off the welcome screen in startup applications, that's one of the first things I've done on mine.Now. A question. Okay, I like Mate and on 18.04 LTS have few issues with it that I can't find easy fixes for.So. I'd like to keep a lightweight backup browser. What's the easiest to use with Orca one?Secondlyis there a command line switch I can put into Chromium to set the home page or no? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409687/#p409687 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Going Linux True, since the primary commands are always displayed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409676/#p409676 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Uh... you don't really need to do much reading to get to use Nano. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409671/#p409671 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @50Definitely!If you haven't read the Emacspeak Manual from cover to cover (or at least the "basics,) Emacs ain't for ya!The same goes for using the following four other editors. Ya don't have to use all of them, and ya can pick the one that's best for ya, though at least get the basics down!1. VIM2. GNU Nano3. Gedit4. PlumaNB. the last two in the above list by default, depends on the desktop used. Gedit = "GNOME"Pluma = "Mate" URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409573/#p409573 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Going Linux @48 and @49Ubuntu Mate and/or Debian, would "fly!" on that thing. @46Indeed... Unless you're gonna throw a "light-weight" Linux distro on that bad boy and use the OS atom processors were "really" made for, amscray!PS. Slint would be a wonderful distro for said device too now that I think of it... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409569/#p409569 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-05
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Re: Going Linux @44, I think I'll get used to it, in time.Is it worth going through the emacs tutorial? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409568/#p409568 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Dear Jaysus. Outta here with all that.. go go go, gwawn, git. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409556/#p409556 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Going Linux @46, wait, wait. So you managed to get Windows 10, 32-bit, running on a tablet computer with 32 GB of disk space, a processor that (if it is the atom X5) runs at a maximum of 1.92 GHz... and you budded in here with that why? I don't really see your point. Claiming that you managed to get Windows running on a shitty excuse of a computer doesn't prove anything. It doesn't prove its useful or fast. (It actually proves that your willing to operate a computer that's miserable to use.) So again, why butt in here with such a claim when Linux can fly on that thing? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409546/#p409546 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux I fail to see the need for discussing very deliberate off topic matters (i.e. windows) in a Linux discussion topic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409543/#p409543 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux I got a brand new windows 10 laptop for $108 from walmart. It runs very good. And it also has a touch screen and physical keyboard. the RCA cambio with intel atom z8350. And its OS is windows 10 32bit. so can you get very good windows laptops for very cheap? the answer is yes you sure can!!! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409542/#p409542 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Ah, Emacs. Some like it, some hate it, some aren't sure what to think of it, some "swear" by it!First off, this Wikipedia article:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacspeak, followed by the official web site:https://github.com/tvraman/emacspeakAlso check ot Part 1 Part 2 and Part 3 of an Emacs many series from a guy named "Klaatu," which is part of the Hacker Public Radio Podcast Network URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409539/#p409539 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @43, then Emacs probably isn't for you. You don't have to use Emacs if you don't want to (not everyone likes it). Use what your comfortable with. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409529/#p409529 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-04
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Re: Going Linux @42:I can't read a manual if i don't know how to interact with the software, I've tried pressing enter on the topics in the manual, but nothing. I also can't tell what's static text and what is a link to a potential topic or anything.Think I've honestly just wasted my time imho, documentation seems to be few and far between, and far to complex. Was hoping it would be relatively simple to set up and use so I could actually be productive on linux, rather than just have it for a lab environment.Perhaps it is to powerful, I just want to run it and it work. I don't care about using it to program in C, create a fucking program to get nasa to the moon, I want a solution for reading books, interacting with word documents sent by teachers, a way to read and write email, spotify, netflics, youtube, skype, and other web-based things. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409525/#p409525 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-04
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Re: Going Linux @42:I can't read a manual if i don't know how to interact with the software, I've tried pressing enter on the topics in the manual, but nothing. I also can't tell what's static text and what is a link to a potential topic or anything.Think I've honestly just wasted my time imho, documentation seems to be few and far between, and far to complex. Was hoping it would be relatively simple to set up and se so I could actually be productive on linux, rather just have it for a lab environment.Perhaps it is to powerful, I just want to run it and it work. I don't care about using it to program in C, create a fucking program to get nasa to the moon, I want a solution for readin books, interacting with word documents sent by teachers, a way to read and write email, sotify, netflics, youtube, akype, and other web-based thinks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409525/#p409525 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-04
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Re: Going Linux @42:I can't read a manual if i don't know how to interact with the software, I've tried pressing enter on the topics in the manual, but nothing. I also can't tell what's static text and what is a link to a potential topic or anything.Think I've honestly just wasted my time imho, documentation seems to be few and far between, and far to complex. Was hoping it would be relatively simple to set up and se so I could actual be productive on linux, rather just have it for a lab environment. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409525/#p409525 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @41, it is very powerful. The Emacs manual is very good at explaining Emacs' functionality. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409523/#p409523 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-04
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Re: Going Linux Edited: I now got the method in 35 to work, but now my quesion is, how do I use this, and how to I change the speach rate, and see what all the voice veriations mean?This is, unfortunately, proving to be quite unintuative.I have no idea how to do anything, brows the web, email, anything. I thought this was meant to be very powerful, (or are applications in the form of modules?) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409518/#p409518 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-04
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Re: Going Linux Edited: I now got the method in 35 to work, but now my quesion is, how do I use this, and how to I change the speach rate, and see what all the voice veriations mean?This is, unfortunately, proving to be quite unintuative. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409518/#p409518 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-04
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Re: Going Linux @35:I tried this method on ubuntu 18.10, and unfortunately, although everything seems to complete fine, I don't have any .emacs folder (or file) in my home directory. Not sure why this is. (it does work with espeak but I have voxine purchased) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409518/#p409518 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @39, I think VBox is much better on Linux (though I've never tried it myself). I also think its good at virtualizing Windows but, again, haven't tried. If you can, always get DKMS modules; never get hardcoded modules for them. Those break very... easily. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409498/#p409498 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-04
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Re: Going Linux @38I always run rc versions of new kernel builds, not alpha or beta though, not on a production machine.I don't think they're dkms modules, but you may have just indirectly solved my problem, not sure as of yet.If I can't get vmware to function correctly, how is virtual box on linux for accessibility, and how is it for virtualising windows? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409496/#p409496 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Going Linux @37, if their not DKMS modules, then yeah, its your kernel version. I'm a bit confused why your risking system instability by running Linux kernel 5.0 rC5 though... but hey, not my problem. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409493/#p409493 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-04
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Re: Going Linux thanks everyone. One last thing (i'll stop being annoying after this I promice) I'm having real issues getting vmware workstation up and running. When it tries to install kernel modules, I get the message:Not all modules could be installed. See the log for details.I've satisfied all the dependencies and the like but no dice. The log also isn't very helpful. Any ideas?I'm thinking it might be my kernel version, 5.0 rc5. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409474/#p409474 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Voxin with emacspeak also works on Arch Linux. The process is weird, but it does work.@34, I don't believe this actually answers the question (he did say that Orca didn't work with Chrome after all and asked how it could be done accessibly). You can install chrome extensions like so, once you've downloaded them (if you can):`which chrome` --load-extension=/path/to/extensionYou can download the chromevox extension using a method found at https://www.maketecheasier.com/download … -extension. According to that link, this should do it. Note that I don't know if that method will work, but its worth a try. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409453/#p409453 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Going Linux Voxin with emacspeak also works on Arch Linux. The process is weird, but it does work.@34, I don't believe this actually answers the question (he did say that Orca didn't work with Chrome after all and asked how it could be done accessibly). You can install chrome extensions like so, once you've downloaded them (if you can):`which chrome` --load-extension=/path/to/extensionNote that this should be the directory where the extension is. You can download the chromevox extension using a method found at https://www.maketecheasier.com/download … extension. According ot that link, this should do it. Note that I don't know if that link will work, but its worth a try. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409453/#p409453 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @33Your easiest way to get Emacspeak up and running (assuming the distro you want is supported,) is by visitinghttp://voxin.oralux.net, which I have not tried getting said method to work without purchasing a Voxin voice first.Espeak however, is supported with said installer. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409439/#p409439 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @32You copy the Chromevox extension from Firefox's location bar while on the said page, then after you open up chrome browser, paste in the link into the "ctrl-l" omnibar." After that, press enter, then tab either one or two times which takes you to the "add extension" button.After that, tab once to the "add" button, and after that, Chromevox should start speakin.If you'd like to switch between Chromevox Classic and Chromevox next, press alt-shift-q. You may have to press it once or twice, depending on the mode you are in.Most of the Chromevox Next commands, match the ones for Chrome OS in general.Ya can find all commands via http://www.chromevox.com URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409438/#p409438 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-04
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Re: Going Linux Also, sorry for the double post, but instructions for compiling emacspeak to work would be greatly appreciated URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409436/#p409436 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-04
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Re: Going Linux @queenslight:How can this process be done on ubuntu accessibly (installing the chrome browser and then the chromevox extention from inside the browser?), also, isn't the chromevox extention still using chromevox classic? Nasty thing.From what I could tell though, orka doesn't work with chrome in any way, so how i'd access the web store is beyond me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409433/#p409433 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux I checked out Cocoanut back in the last quarter of last year, so they really got on it then to update it. Still, I would not use a distro that I cannot update properly. I know there is a lot of dislike for gnome but I like it, it generally works well for me and as long as you're not trying to revive an old XP box, it's cool.As regards the welcome screen, two things, A) I would just like it gone from my list of windows. B) it doesn't matter if I control alt D, it still screws up Orca for as long as it's running.Anyway, this is why I like Arch, yeah there's more chance for breakage, but also more chance you'll get something where bugs will have been ironed out of packages other distros still hold back from you. For instance, no trouble at all, none with the version of Mate I got from Arch's repository. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409432/#p409432 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux As Advanced Braille Keyboard is now in the "Play Store," hopefully work on Accessible Coconut will get back on track with a new release.By the way, if you haven't checked out the many themes that Mate provides for its desktop, you should! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409431/#p409431 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @Iron:Acessible Coconut isan odd distro. It started out as Gnome, but after people pointed out flaws with Gnome, the dev just slapped Mate on top of it and set it to boot directly into Mate, instead of Gnome. So you have a lot of duplicate programs and some odd choices for what to include/leave out. Additionally the development of it has halted as the dev's working on another project.Also, I'm not sure if your errors are 18.10 specific as I, personally and YMMV on this, haven't had those errors in 18.04 here on my systems. Yes, the welcome screen isn't that welcome but I still like it. I just know to ctrl+alt+D and know when that shows up the system is loaded.@Ethin: A more practical reason to not use Vinux is this14.04 is going EOL in April. No more support for it. Also yes, Coconut is on 18.04 as stated. If you're going to say not to use something and make claims, at least back it up by checking what you're claiming Ethin. I use Coconut on my laptop as I'm tooo lazy to go through and pull all my audio/ebooks offa hthat system if I reinstall Mate 18.04 (which would essentially be the same system minus the Cocofrix additions and no Gnome) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409415/#p409415 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux I share the Vinux Wiki, do to the info on it, not because of said distro.As for Accessible Coconut, they are on 18.04.https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobi … CFfQ8IU2SANow, about Chrome.You'll get "mixed" responces there... Especially for the ones who are more "patient" As for when Chrome support will come to Orca officially? Best to ask that question on the Orca Mailing List itself, or search for an answer if one was givin that I missed.Again, it can be done and Chromevox is usable. Don't have the patients though? I won't judge ya.The most accessible browsers with screen readers (not including Emacspeak) include the following:1. Firefox2. Seamonkey3. WaterfoxTwo "command-line" browsers which are accessible include "Lynx" and "ELinks," though you have to "manually" set those up.Help on that can be found on Storm Dragon's Web Site URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409387/#p409387 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Yeah second the not using cocoanut thing, also wouldn't recommend Chrom(e|ium) under linux because Orca will not work with it and chromevox is junk unless you have the ChromeOS version of it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409381/#p409381 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux I wouldn't really recommend accessible coconut for anyone who wants up-to-date systems, that system is still on 16.04 and it doesn't seem like it will be updated any time soon. And don't use Vinux; that project has died and will never be updated (and updating it the normal way breaks literally everything). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409374/#p409374 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Going Linux I wouldn't really recommend accessible coconut for anyone who wants up-to-date systems, that system is still on 16.04 and it doesn't seem like it will be updated any time soon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409374/#p409374 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @potterspotter13Wanting to use Skype on Linux?Your best way these days, is viahttps://web.skype.com/As for Chromevox, it depends on the distro used.If using the "Accessible Coconut" distro, choose the "Chromium," with Speech" option.If using an Arch distro, either grab the "Chrome" or "Chromium" Chromevox package, depending on which browser ya prefer using. For all other distros, you need to install Chrome browser and the Chromevox screen reader extension from within the "Chrome Web Store" manually.Yes, said process can be done. I've done it 3 times already1 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409368/#p409368 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux For "many" Debian-based distros (which have a live environment,) you can press Alt-Super-S (Super key being the "Windows" key,) to toggle on/off the Orca screen reader.For the above and all other distros which have Orca preinstalled, you can also press Alt-F2 to enter in a run comand, then type in the word "Orca" to turn it on that way.Here's some web sites to get people started in the world of Linux in an Accesible way. (Even if some of the info may or may not be "partially" out of date.) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Accessibilityhttp://linux-speakup.org/https://linux-a11y.org/http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-adriane/index-en.htmlhttps://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibilityhttps://wiki.debian.org/accessibilityhttps://trisquel.info/en/wikihttp://slint.fr/wiki/en/accessibilityhttps://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibilityhttps://wiki.vinuxproject.org/For "KDE Accessibility," see the following sites, as its an "on-going" thing:http://accessibility.kde.orghttps://blogs.fsfe.org/gladhorn/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409365/#p409365 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @potterspotter13, accessibility for windows applications is non-existent in Wine. You can get audio games to work in it but Orca will not read controls of any kind to you, nor will it be able to interface with Wine. Your best bet would be to virtualize Windows if you want to run windows anything. I would not myself run anything through Wine owing to its instability and touchyness. Windows works [all the time], wine doesn't. It doesn't help that you have to hack together crappy solutions to even get SAPI and audio games to function properly. If anyone wants to prove anything I've written in this post wrong, please do, and provide evidence and all that, standard procedure for proving anything false/true. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409363/#p409363 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux @potterspotter13, accessibility for windows applications is non-existent in Wine. You can get audio games to work in it but Orca will not read controls of any kind to you, nor will it be able to interface with Wine. Your best bet would be to virtualize Windows if you want to run windows anything. I would not myself run anything through Wine owing to its instability and touchyness. Windows works [all the time], wine doesn't. It doesn't help that you have to hack together crappy solutions to even get SAPI and audio games to function properly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409363/#p409363 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
2019-02-03
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Re: Going Linux Hello,I am, myself, "going linux".However, I would like a few questions answered first:1. Is it possible to use google chrome on linux accessibly?2. How accessible is skype on linux?3. If I were to want to run audio games or windows programs, how easy is it to make grafical ones, that is, ones with standard windows controls (buttons, checkboxes, radio buttons) work in wine, or will those only work in a virtual machine?ThanksP.s. My current distro of choice is ubuntu mate, but I haven't done much customising or playing around yet.I do like arch and debian but debian has very out-of-date packages and arch I don't feel comfortable enough with to use as a main OS. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409329/#p409329 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux I was just warning anyone thinking of going Linux, in case they had secure boot. I do happen to have a computer that doesn't use secure boot, so yea for that, but bummer for those who don't.BTW, Ubuntu does support secure boot by the way. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409308/#p409308 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Pretty much. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409301/#p409301 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux Trisquel requires your computer to have completely open components. It does not, and most likely will not, have support for closed-source drivers. So that pretty much excludes over 95 percent of the computing market for desktops (and even servers, if I'm not mistaken). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409291/#p409291 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Going Linux
Re: Going Linux I don't see how Ubuntu mate could be considered accessible when last I tried it, which was their 18.10 release, Mate was still very much in an unworking state. The welcome center screen kept stopping the terminal from speaking, I had to use xkill to get rid of it. The top and bottom bars were not accessible, and overall, nothing worked well. Mate on it's own, so long as you get it in Arch, or build it yourself in your distro of choice, works fine. You do get the accessibility of the top and bottom bars, it doesn't do that read everything underlying the foremost window thing, and there is no Ubuntu mate welcome screen to screw up. Literally that thing would not close on it's own, was completely uninteractable, and, as long as it was open, caused havok even if it was backgrounded.Trisquel I would doubt as well but I haven't tried it so can't say for sure. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409265/#p409265 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
