Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... Yeah. Plus, TalkBack is open source, anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599733/#p599733 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... You can't uninstall system apps, or at least not by default. I have no access to a new Samsung device so can't comment, but hopefully Samsung renames it to something else. Is that even legal to do? Just rename a Google app and make it your own? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599689/#p599689 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... Or maybe just uninstall the google accessibility suite? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599673/#p599673 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
2020-12-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : ashleygrobler04 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... I think i will have to do that with android studio... maby that should work... maby? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599479/#p599479 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... It's entirely possible. If the Samsung version has the same package name, the system won't allow you to install it. However, it would not be entirely hard for somebody to just re package talkback, call it something else, and that should be possible to install without issues. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599426/#p599426 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... But they said you could not have both TalkBacks, only Samsung's and not Google's URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599413/#p599413 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... Yah, he does I will admit.I liked how That Android Show did their demonstrations to be honest... Same goes with Triple-Click-Home for that matter. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599207/#p599207 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... One thing about the video on YouTube that the OP talked about is kinda meh. He jumps into conclusion way too early. That's all I have to say. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599166/#p599166 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... I wish iPhones could be customized more. Apple just needs to make a policy that you can install whatever you want to your device, but you're doing it at your own risk URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599158/#p599158 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... oh, and enjoy it with no google services, i want to try that out. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599128/#p599128 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
2020-12-15
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : StormProductions via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... @23, yes, I know what it means to use a phone without Google apps. I tried to do this on my phone, I just flashed the ROM I use, but I didn't flash GApps. I have to admit that some apps that require Google authentication didn't work properly, but otherwise, I was downloading apps from third party stores and managed to work with it, until one day when I got tired of running without Google apps and I flashed GApps. Yes, unfortunately, it will not be so easy on Huawei, because they have decided to completely block the bootloader, and if you give them an email asking for an unlock key, they will simply tell you that for securing their customers , the keys are no longer distributed and the bootloader must remain locked forever. I have heard of sites that give you bootloader unlock codes for Huawei for money, but honestly, I would not try such sites, because you can easily get into a scam. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599013/#p599013 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... they will probably be seperated so you will have 2 talk backs URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599006/#p599006 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... OK, So what I was asking if Android 11 comes to my Galaxy note 20 in January or so, can I uninstall the google accessibility suite? Or does the Samsung Talkback will not confuse the Samsung other when I left it installed? @19 to @22: I eaven get your point. But @19, imagine if you use an android phone with no google apps? That's what is going on with Huawei. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599003/#p599003 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... @21, why are yoou so shocked? Now adays everything gets tossed aroound as an insult even in the wrong context. Communist, fascist, socialist, as long as its something they disagree with, slap some label that hystorically was horrid, disgusting, cruel or evil, and booom. Insult. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598987/#p598987 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... If only people would actually learn what words mean before they go around saying them. Communism? Seriously? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598985/#p598985 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... i would sertinly like that but apple just works for me. but yes i wish they would let you customise your stuff URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598983/#p598983 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
2020-12-15
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : StormProductions via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... Hello,Thank you for another reason for me to stop using Samsung.I gave up on Samsung earlier this year. At first, I bought a Xiaomi Redmi 8, but unfortunately I couldn't get used to that MiUI, so I gave it to a friend, who gave me a Xiaomi Mi A1 instead, which is currently running stock Android 10, rooted. I feel much better giving up on Samsung and trying another Android phone.Also, I never bother to switch to Apple and their limited and communist iPhones. When it stops taking my right to customization, then I'll think about trying it. Until then, by no means. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598977/#p598977 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... Well, for what it's worth, the Talkback in OneUi 3 has two things which were in Voice Assistant, the focus indicator and the toggle to switch between lift and double tap for typing, and Google's version doesn't have such things. So they have kinda not axed it really. If anything, the time would be more than adequate to resurrect Voice Assistant's old name, Galaxy Talkback.Also @TheBlindSaiyan: Talkback is still on the Play Store, and Samsung develops it's own version on the Galaxy Store. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598952/#p598952 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... Well, for what it's worth, the Talkback in OneUi 3 has two things which were in Voice Assistant, the focus indicator and the toggle to switch between lift and double tap for typing, and Google's version doesn't have such things. So they have kinda not axed it really. If anything, the time would be more than adequate to resurrect Voice Assistant's old name, Galaxy Talkback. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598952/#p598952 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... @7 to 9, RE, better voice assistant development: I thought they were axing VA in the next Android 11 in favour of talkback? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598941/#p598941 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... Nobody can actually contribute to that code, and multiple people already tried. Ok, maybe we could argue Samsung as an OEM could have more influence, but who knows what Google's policies are. However, not a single PR on that repository was accepted. Considering it is always at least a version behind the latest code, that's kind of even impossible. Also, a lot of Samsung's modifications to Talkback or voice assistant were specific for their own version of Android, one UI as they call it now and can't easily be adapted to others, or rather probably Samsung wouldn't care enough to do that. Some examples include things like a toggle for caller ID announcement, which remained in Voice assistant, since one of the reasons Google removed it from TB was inconsistencies with how it works on different devices, while Samsung of course does not have that problem since they make the hardware and adapt the software, or their dark screen implementation which is different from the one in TB and again would not work without proprietary software modifications in Android.I am not sure how true this is in Android 11, perhaps Samsung got rid of some of these things, but they definitely had a reason to keep Voice assistant proprietary since multy finger gestures weren't even possible for accessibility services on Android at that time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598917/#p598917 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... If Samsung wasn't so competitive against the operating system that kind of made them who they are today, then they could just make contributions to the main Talkback code branch. Yet another case of accessibility exclusion at work, whether the Talkback braille keyboard gets reinstated or not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598912/#p598912 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... Hello,there is hardly any need to worry. As soon as Talkback's source code for the latest version is released by Google, Samsung will update their fork and then it will have the keyboard. Now the sources are at 8.1, while the version that introduced the keyboard is 8.2. It's always how it worked, even when Voice assistant was around. In fact, now that it's on the Samsung store, it's entirely possible it will be updated way faster, since Voice assistant could only be updated with an Android update, which is what I am hoping for. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598911/#p598911 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
2020-12-15
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : sightlessHorseman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... well, i would love it if talkback would finally get something like a direct touch typing mode just like in iOS, i've been using that mode on my iPhone since iOS 8 and kiss braille keyboards good bye.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598907/#p598907 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... Every android11 phone will get talkbac integrated. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598903/#p598903 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... OneUI 3 is the latest iteration of Samsung's Android skin.I'll let ya know what I think of it after it comes to my Galaxy S10E.FYI:Galaxy Talkback/Voice Assistant never had that Braille Keyboard. The fact that said Google Braille Keyboard only works in "Screen Away Mode" and there's no "Table Top Mode," annoyed me greatly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598897/#p598897 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... I wouldn't have thought they could do something like switching the accessibility sweet to the galaxy store, because how would non-samsung phones get talkback if not pre-installed?Also what is OneUi 3?Lastly I'm in agreement with Haily, CSR can be downloaded as a last resort. It's not the end of the world if you can't use a braille keyboard URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598886/#p598886 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... This is not depressing. This is actually interesting. Will they develop a better version of the current talkback? Who knows? Before jumping to conclusions, lets just see what happens first. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598884/#p598884 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... Well, from listening to the podcast, I get they may fork it so that it supports Bixby better. Perhaps it's the beginning to a new voice assistant. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598875/#p598875 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... I wouldn't jump on the doom and gloom train just yet. Perhaps they're developing their own alternative? Let's just remember that the talkback braille keyboard is really quite unstable anyway, you'll certainly have better results with, say, ABK or SBK. You might consider switching to CSR, too, it blows pretty much everything out of the water right now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598866/#p598866 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... From what I know when using Talkback on OneUi 3, in the settings it says "open in Galaxy store" instead of "Play store". The fact they are distributing it via the Galaxy Store is beyond me, the fact they are now forking it seemingly without any reason even moreso. Hopefully things become clearer in the future. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598864/#p598864 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
2020-12-15
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : ashleygrobler04 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... Yeah, I don't have any issues with the rest of the stuff, the notifications thingy is fine, but the fact the the talkback braille keyboard is going to be removed, upset me a bit... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598851/#p598851 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... From what I've listen to the podcast this morning, these issues he mentioned doesn't affects me much. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598847/#p598847 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
2020-12-15
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : ashleygrobler04 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... I doubt it... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598837/#p598837 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users...
Re: I think i found some deppressing news for samsung users... I thought it was just a rumor.I still think it should be the same thing for everyone, but we will see. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/598833/#p598833 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
