Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry Well any genre, even the ya fiction doesn't have to be ridden by clichés. My lady and I both enjoyed the hunger games, and I can highly recommend James Dashna's maze runner.On the other hand as I said Peers Brown's red rising series were fairly awful, and I was not really that fond of Dan Wells' Partials, despite both of those series roughly the same ya distopea tradition as the hunger games.That is one reason I tend to focus on the use and predictability of formulae rather than simply their bare existence in a story and try to review every book individually looking at it's good and points rather than just saying "this is a teen novel, so it's bad!" URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=334956#p334956 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry I pretty much agree with both Dark and Silver Moon here. Cliches, or in a broader scope, formulas are trend setting for a current era or genre of books, so it's not about using them that's good or bad, it's using them in a good or bad way.I think a lot of trashy teen romance novels (yes, I'm probably looking at you, Twilight) contribute to the whole let's hate cliches ordeal, but imho that's like saying I hate swedish food just because you've tasted Surströmming (I mean what sane person wouldn't hate our food after that?). But Surströmming is certainly not incompassing the scandinavian food culture or anything like that, just as a set of bad cliches aren't necessarily the representative of trashy teen romance novels. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=334918#p334918 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry I'm not sure silvermoon. One reason I wrote my above article on "formulae" rather han specifically clichés or tropes is it is far easier to define a formula, ie something that is to create an expected result, than a cliché. For example, one trilogy my lady and I read very recently was Robin Hobb's fitz fool series. One of the major plots in that series is that the main character's daughter is kidnapped. This on it's surface seems like the most cliché of clichés. Helpless little girl, big manly father and rescue bate. yet I have rarely seen a plot so intensively portrayed. Bee, the kidnapped child had a huge part to play, almost half of the book was her story. She had huge interactions with her captors which ranged from helplessness to victimisation, to trying to escape, to understand what actually she had been kidnapped for, and finally not just growing up, but taking a massive amount of agency and actually exacting a pretty extreme revenge on the people who kidnapped her and having to change because of it, (really she could give Aria stark a series run for her money in the hard as nails nine year old girl steaks). mean while, her father didn't just swoop in and do a rescue but had his own evolution to go through, meeting other characters, going through journeys and enacting changes to himself and the world. This was a case where Hobb did use a formula, but certainly I would never have accused of being clichéd. On the other hand,Peers Brown, one of the worst writers I've come across recently did! make an effort to have the women in his books be super tough, right until said woman suddenly became helpless in time for the big manly hero to save her. this certainly was! a cliche, and what is more, a cliche which went directly against the portrayal of the characters in the previous section of the book (for the full story, see my reviews of Peers brown's trilogy which were pretty dire imho). Hope some of this makes sense. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=334796#p334796 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry Okay so here's my thought on clichés, and mind you I'm not a writer.Nor, will I ever be one.clichés, are what they are, I mean everyone uses them in some way or other, even if you try an stay away from them.so my answer is, it's not about whether you use clichés, it's how you use them.I mean think about all those romance novels out there, or all those mystery/suspense novels out there. They all probably have some sort of cliché or other in them. But what differentiates the good writers from the great ones, is that the great writer knows how to use that cliché to their advantage.To make it something totally different and their own.I don't know if this is what you were asking or not, so if it isn't, I'm sorry for both my ignorance and rambling. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=334723#p334723 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry I will admit, Dragonlance is far more dismal than Forgotten Realms. After all, it is all about a world destroyed by magic and in the process of rebuilding and such. But that's not my point here. I like your article, Dark, and have been considering writing my own essay on the topic. But I ask this question mostly to better my writing habits. I'm about to go start a new story of mine, I just need to plot out my character. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=333816#p333816 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry Hey folks! Dragomier, I honestly see cliches and other predictable resources as pieces of a bigger pusle. They may or may not be used, it is up to you, but the thing is, you have to know those pieces are sometimes well known, so it requires more creativity to use them in a way they will be predictable, well placed, but the whole writing still original.It is like hearing your favorite song, you probably heard the same thing 10 times or more, but it still amazes you.Best regards, Haramir. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=333797#p333797 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry Thanks Cae, glad my random rambles did sort of come in handy . if I was being critical I would wonder about tracy hickman and clichés, since I know the dragonlance books much were written with D character sheets, then again since I've never read any of them I can't say cliché they are, or more to the point how well written. My lady did read one trilogy but they had such a damnably dismal and grim ending she never wanted to continue, though I suspect that was one in the middle of the series. I might go and look through them at some stage, but it's not a priority not with all the amazingly good stuff that is out there that I want to read. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=333692#p333692 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry Thanks Cae, glad my random rambles did sort of come in handy . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=333692#p333692 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry Dark, I think yours answers it much better than mine:) URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=333688#p333688 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry
Re: The Effect of Cliches on a Story: A Writer's Inquiry Interesting question, though to be honest a lot of what I would say I have already said in This article on Formulae in books which I wrote for fantasybookreview.co.uk, the site I write book reviews for.I probably would say the same as what I said there, though rather than trying to paraphrase myself I'll just be lazy and let anyone who is interested go and read it, then come back hear how much everyone disagrees with me . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=333681#p333681 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
