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Re: thinking about leaving the us 48, the problem is, a safe can work, but if someone is really in a moodd to get it open, they can crack the combination, or use an oxygen torch to cut through the safe.And by missals, I am pretty certain we are talking shorter range ones. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621926/#p621926 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us 46 thums up lol, Wow i do agree with mafue some of the way, again, there are other ways, also about the kids harming them selvs with guns or suicide, i fiel like you could just use a gun safe or what ever they are, and just keep the key with you at all times, or something, or mabey i'm sure there's ones that you use your fingger print to unlock them, or something, but sure there are allways ways around thee's things, but i'm sure just buying a gun and telling the gi it's loaded, and it should probibly be if he decides to attack, but mabey not with leefal rounds i don't no. but They should defenitly make more stricter laws, and not let people have miletary grade weapons, unless you have some very speshal licents or something rofl. second of all, people that are able to by missiles, and launching them? rofl i don't by that, i mean, mabey but like, what? what type of missiles are we talking about hear, because, that, would be a well. you can launch a missil to the next country over or something i don't no, but i really, don't by that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621916/#p621916 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us 45, this is factually incorrect.If someone has no criminal record, and intends to shoot up some place, and stockpiles ammo and guns, they can do so with no oversight. The argument that if someone wants to shoot up a place the weapon can't have been obtained legally is false, as evidenced by the Las Vegas shooting. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621868/#p621868 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @MatthewSmithYTTrue, but just as likely what happens is you shoot your self with it while cleaning it or a family member uses it to commit suicide, or a kid finds it and hurts them selves, or it sits in a drawer for 30 years forgotten. Maybe not for you specifically, but for allot of people this is the case.Also, you could use a good non lethal method to achieve the same purpose more than likely. For instance, loading the first 2 rounds of your mag with simunition (most firearms defense situations end without a shot anyway), or hell just having a knife or baseball bat of your own and making sure they see it, or going to the door with your phone ready to call 9 1 1 and asking them what they want through the door or with it open slightly but a good chain lock on.Keeping the porch light on at night, investing in a mid priced security system, locking closed Windows ETC, are all ways to avoid coming across a home invader randomly as well.People should of course have the right to defend them selves, how ever, a lethal weapon which is just as dangerous in the hands of an idiot as it is useful in the hands of someone trained isn't it IMO, not with the laxness of most gun owners and the half assed training requirements of most states.This preparing for an unlikely situation with the most powerful tool available thing needs to stop being in the public consciousness. The stats just do not back it up, and even in the places that it does make more sense, their are still alternatives that don't cost as much or have as much risk associated with them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621834/#p621834 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @MatthewSmithYTTrue, but just as likely what happens is you shoot your self with it while cleaning it or a family member uses it to commit suicide, or a kid finds it and hurts them selves, or it sits in a drawer for 30 years forgotten. Maybe not for you specifically, but for allot of people this is the case.Also, you could use a good non lethal method to achieve the same purpose more than likely. For instance, loading the first 2 rounds of your mag with simunition (most firearms defense situations end without a shot anyway), or hell just having a knife or baseball bat of your own and making sure they see it, or going to the door with your phone ready to call 9 1 1 and asking them what they want through the door or with it open slightly but a good chain lock on.Keeping the porch light on at night, investing in a mid priced security system, locking closed Windows ETC, are all ways to avoid coming across a home invader randomly as well.People should of course have the right to defend them selves, how ever, a lethal weapon which is just as dangerous in the hands of an idiot as it is useful in the hands of someone trained isn't it IMO, not with the laxness of most gun owners and the half assed training requirements of most states.This preparing for an unlikely situation with the most powerful tool available thing needs to stop being in the public consciousness. The stats just do not back it up, and even in the places that it does make more sense, their are still alternatives. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621834/#p621834 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @MatthewSmithYTTrue, but just as likely what happens is you shoot your self with it while cleaning it or a family member uses it to commit suicide, or a kid finds it and hurts them selves, or it sits in a drawer for 30 years forgotten. Maybe not for you specifically, but for allot of people this is the case.Also, you could use a good non lethal method to achieve the same purpose more than likely. For instance, loading the first 2 rounds of your mag with simunition (most firearms defense situations end without a shot anyway), or hell just having a knife or baseball bat of your own and making sure they see it, or going to the door with your phone ready to call 9 1 1 and asking them what they want through the door or with it open slightly but a good chain lock on.Keeping the porch light on at night, investing in a mid priced security system, locking closed Windows ETC, are all ways to avoid coming across a home invader randomly as well.People should of course have the right to defend them selves, how ever, a lethal weapon which is just as dangerous in the hands of an idiot as it is useful in the hands of someone trained isn't it IMO, not which the laxness of most gun owners and the half assed training requirements of most states.This preparing for an unlikely situation with the most powerful tool available thing needs to stop being in the public consciousness. The stats just do not back it up, and even in the places that it does make more sense, their are still alternatives. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621834/#p621834 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @MatthewSmithYTTrue, but just as likely what happens is you shoot your self with it while cleaning it or a family member uses it to commit suicide, or a kid finds it and hurts them selves, or it sits in a drawer for 30 years forgotten. Maybe not for you specifically, but for allot of people this is the case.Also, you could use a good non lethal method to achieve the same purpose more than likely. For instance, loading the first 2 rounds of your mag with simunition (most firearms defense situations end without a shot anyway), or hell just having a knife or baseball bat of your own and making sure they see it, or going to the door with your phone ready to call 9 1 1 and asking them what they want through the door or with it open slightly but a good chain lock on.Keeping the porch light on at night, investing in a mid priced security system, locking closed Windows ETC, are all ways to avoid coming across a home invader randomly as well.People should of course have the right to defend them selves, how ever, a lethal weapon which is just as dangerous in the hands of an idiot as it is useful in the hands of someone trained isn't it IMO, not which the laxness of most gun owners and the half assed training requirements of most states.This preparing for an unlikely situation with the most powerful tool available thing needs to stop being in the public consciousness. The stats just do not back it up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621834/#p621834 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @MatthewSmithYTTrue, but just as likely what happens is you shoot your self with it while cleaning it or a family member uses it to commit suicide, or it sits in a drawer for 30 years.Also, you could use a good non lethal method to achieve the same purpose more than likely. For instance, loading the first 2 rounds of your mag with simunition, or hell just having a knife or baseball bat of your own and making sure they see it, or going to the door with your phone ready to call 9 1 1 and asking them what they want through the door or with it open slightly but a good chain lock on.Keeping the porch light on, investing in a mid priced security system, locking closed Windows ETC, are all ways to avoid coming across a home invader randomly as well.People should of course have the right to defend them selves, how ever, a lethal weapon which is just as dangerous in the hands of an idiot as it is useful in the hands of someone trained isn't it IMO, not which the laxness of most gun owners and the half assed training requirements of most states. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621834/#p621834 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us People who want to take a gun and shoot up a place with it probably aren't getting it legally.Yeah I think people should have the right to own a gun... I mean what happens at 3:00 in the morning when some person comes up to your door and demands all your money, then takes out a knife and says that if you don't immediately offer it he'll take off your head?So... you say no that you aren't going to give your money away like that... You have three kids and a wife to take care of...So the guy comes at you with it and you're killed, leaving your wife and the three kids to live without you for the rest of their lives.So imagine one night at 3AM the same person comes up to your house and demands all your belongings. This time, you're armed with your gun, and you say that if the person doesn't leave at that moment you'll fire.He's going to either, A. Run off and never bother you again. Or, B. Run at you with the knife and attempt to hurt you with it... But you fire and the guy falls to the ground dead.Yeah I get it, too many people that don't need them have them. But... If we didn't, think about where we could end up.I'd say we need stricter laws about how you get a firearm. Nothing that says you can't have one, but restrictions on maybe who you are, and even more restrictions based on how strong the weapon is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621823/#p621823 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us 42, I did actually do research on the laws I commented on. In a specific state, owning missiles or firing them is legal. 50 calibur rifles can be bought as sporting rifles in pro gun states, some states allow ownership of mines, RPGs, some states allow guns in universities, and even pubs.43, this is exactly the problem.But let me add, not only is gun ownership high, its the highest on earth, the US has the highest per guns per person ownership. Same for ammunition. It is hardly a coincidence that gun violence is extremely high.For the simple reason, its easy to go get your gun if your mad, and demonstrate your anger by shooting the person dead. This is called a crime of passion when it involves little to no forthought. And the insane thing is republicans want to solve the problem with more guns and more lax gun rules. That is literally like trying to put out a fire by pumping more gasoline onto it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621627/#p621627 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us When it comes to guns, the question I always come back to is this:Gun violence in America is higher, the number of mass shootings is higher, and per-capita gun ownership is higher. Do you believe that is a coincidence, and if not, why not follow the lead of other countries who are doing better?This is an honest question. If I'm missing a part of the puzzle here, I'm willing to hear it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621624/#p621624 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @GhostI agree, the current gun culture needs to die. Like fucking yesterday.However, you do seem to have some pretty big misconceptions about both weapons and the laws which govern them. I fear you've been listening to too much propaganda or taking films and games too seriously, so I would suggest doing some of your own research about that from better, less biased sources when you get a chance. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621619/#p621619 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @GhostI agree, the current gun culture needs to die. Like yesterday.However, you do seem to have some pretty big misconceptions about both weapons and the laws which govern them. I fear you've been listening to too much propaganda or taking films and games too seriously, so I would suggest doing some of your own research about that from better, less biased sources when you get a chance. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621619/#p621619 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @GhostI agree, the current gun culture needs to die.However, you have some pretty big misconceptions about both weapons and the laws which govern them. I fear you've been listening to too much propaganda or taking films and games too seriously, so I would do some of your own research about that from better, less biased sources. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621619/#p621619 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @ghostI'm mixed on it for allot of reasons that would take a long time to explain in depth...IN general though, I want much better training requirements for CCW holders across all state lines (without a serious price barrier), less pointless rules about cosmetic accessories and legal manufacturing/import, more science based policy setting around potentially dangerous accessories like short barrels on long arms, suppressors, and bayonets, abolishment of the particularly nonsensical firearm restrictions in hunting season for certain states, no more lists of specific banned weapons unless it can be proven beyond doubt that they are of greater risk than others of the same type, better public education about firearms, allot more research into more reliable non lethal methods, outreach programs to encourage replacing existing firearms with good alternatives, a completely voluntary buyback program, for the gun community to detangle it's self from politics and rage fantasy as much as possible, far less restrictive non lethal weapons laws in liberal states, firm legislation prohibiting stalling when providing carry licenses, more firearms museums, a bigger focus on competition and target shooting in the firearms community, clearer and less restrictive firearms policies on large social media sites, heavy restrictions on exporting U.S made firearms to countries experiencing allot of violence or with known corrupt governments, and for weapons with the most potential for public danger to be locked up in rent to use, third party audited and well secured shooting ranges so people can still enjoy them for their fun and historical elements.But at this point, it's become just as much a fundamental issue as abortion or right to die in this ridiculous country, so we'll fuckin see I guess. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621593/#p621593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @GhostI agree, gun culture needs to die.However, you have some pretty big misconceptions about both weapons and the laws which govern them. I fear you've been listening to too much propaganda or taking films and games too seriously, so I would do some of your own research about that from better, less biased sources. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621619/#p621619 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us The craziest argument I hear for gun ownership is if we own guns, the government can't harm or control us. Anyone who actually thinks that is delusional too, and that is a horrible horrible excuse for the laws in their current form. Ome thing not many may not have considered is since the US is a melting pot of multiple groups of people, and gun ownership is especially high in some areas, if there is a shortage of something, and the rule of law is disrupted, or if law enforcement is preoccupied with an emergency, you could have civil war, or mass firefights of people shooting each other for a cup of gas or a pack of food. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621618/#p621618 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @GhostI agree, gun culture needs to die.However, you have some pretty big misconceptions about both weapons and the laws which govern them. I fear you've been listening to too much propaganda, so I would do some of your own research about that from better, less biased sources. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621619/#p621619 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @35Maybe, but maybe not as well.The way I see it is this.Most democrats are liberals of some sort, most liberals want the amount of citizen owned guns to be sharply reduced and future ownership to be far more difficult. Therefore, the democratic politicians find it in their best interests as a career move to give the people what they want.Specifically taking them from the average person may not be the focus, but it is a natural symptom of the movement. Anyone could tell you that trying to do it quickly would be a terrible idea, so instead they have been doing it more slowly, since at least the mid 90s. It's the safest approach to the problem...The understandable increase in public fear after mass shootings only allowed them to move faster and more boldly, and if they had held majority for all these years since the first assault weapons ban, I think they would have gotten allot further by now.It's not a conspiracy in the general sense, in fact it's very out in the open. It's just that the far right and anarchist groups inevitably take it to the most scary conclusion they can think of (no knock raids, forced buybacks) and make it all look like bullshit by proximity. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621615/#p621615 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us True, but the relative scarcity of guns would mean overall a smaller gun market, and thus less in the hands of these people. But one thing is for sure, the word arms in the amendment has been taken wayyy too far to include crazy weapons like chain guns, machine guns asault rifles, mines etc. I really think even if the amendment can't be removed, surely enough support would be there to make it so the amendment is changed to restrict the defenition of arms. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621616/#p621616 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @JaideMaybe, but maybe not as well.The way I see it is this.Most democrats are liberals of some sort, most liberals want the amount of citizen owned guns to be sharply reduced and future ownership to be far more difficult. Therefore, the democratic politicians find it in their best interests as a career move to give the people what they want.Specifically taking them from the average person may not be the focus, but it is a natural symptom of the movement. Anyone could tell you that trying to do it quickly would be a terrible idea, so instead they have been doing it more slowly, since at least the mid 90s. It's the safest approach to the problem...The understandable increase in public fear after mass shootings only allowed them to move faster and more boldly, and if they had held majority for all these years since the first assault weapons ban, I think they would have gotten allot further by now.It's not a conspiracy in the general sense, in fact it's very out in the open. It's just that the far right and anarchist groups inevitably take it to the most scary conclusion they can think of (no knock raids, forced buybacks) and make it all look like bullshit by proximity. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621615/#p621615 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Ghost, I'm gonna partially disagree with you here.The people I'm talking about are the folks who get guns in ways that are not even legal right now. Those folks are still going to exist, no matter what laws you put in place. You might make it harder for them, but you won't eliminate them entirely.Some argue that for this reason alone, Americans need their guns. I don't agree. But I'm just trying to say that not every shooter just happened to have legal firearms to hand. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621613/#p621613 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @ghostI'm mixed on it for allot of reasons that would take a long time to explain in depth...IN general though, I want much better training requirements for CCW holders across all state lines (without a serious price barrier), less pointless rules about cosmetic accessories and legal manufacturing/import, more science based policy setting around more potentially dangerous accessories like short barrels on long arms, suppressors, and bayonets, abolishment of the more nonsensical firearm restrictions in hunting season, no more lists of specific banned weapons unless it can be proven beyond doubt that they are more of a risk than others of the same type, better public education about firearms, allot more research into more reliable non lethal methods, outreach programs to encourage replacing existing firearms with good alternatives, a completely voluntary buyback program, for the gun community to detangle it's self from politics and rage fantasy as much as possible, far less restrictive non lethal weapons laws in liberal states, firm legislation prohibiting stalling when providing carry licenses, more firearms museums, a bigger focus on competition and target shooting in the firearms community, clearer and less restrictive firearms policies on large social media sites, heavy restrictions on exporting U.S made firearms to countries experiencing allot of violence or with known corrupt governments, and for weapons with the most potential for public danger to be locked up in rent to use, third party audited and well secured shooting ranges so people can still enjoy them for their fun and historical elements.But at this point, it's become just as much a fundamental issue as abortion or right to die in this ridiculous country, so we'll fuckin see I guess. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621593/#p621593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Jayde, the issue here is simply the reason the bad actors get those guns in the first place is liberal gun laws. And the issue here is if your dad has a gun for example, and you are a criminal, you can go grab his gun when he goes out of town, and do your mass shooting. Also, the Las Vegas shooter had 40 or so fucking rifles and thousands of rounds of amunition. He put all that into 20 or 30 suitcases, and brought them up to his hotel room to do the shooting. All of that was obtained legally. At some point, buying that much weaponry especially since its tracked should generate some sort of alert in the system. Also, the fact all of that weaponry could be gotten legally, to kill 58, and wound more than 550 should say volumes about the laws, and lead some to say, well aren't the laws fucked up a bit?Defender, I have no issue with guns in museums etc, or for recreational shooting in gun ranges. But what I'm saying is this gun culture is overall harmful to the country. More guns, or making it easier to get them feed gun crime simply because if there is a disagreement or fight, a gun can come out instead of a knife had that person not be able to get a gun. I don't think most states have restrictions for nonlethal weapons though. But the thing most people don't know is most countries not only ban guns, but also stop people from having other lethal weapons like large knives or openly carrying them.The thing about banned weapon list is it makes sense, though a weapon class banned list makes more sense. Certain weapons really shouldn't be had by civilians. Take 50 calibur sniper rifles for example. Such a weapon could shoot through 20 people put back to back if you lined them up. Or machine guns, rpgs and other rocket or missile launchers. Actually believe it or not, its legal in some states to shoot off a missile. As for gun buyback programs, I think democrats probably would want to try that first, but people love their guns too much for that to work, maybe if you gave them a giant tax exemption if they gave them up, it might have a chance of working. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621607/#p621607 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @ghostI'm mixed on it for allot of reasons that would take a long time to explain in depth...IN general though, I want much better training requirements for CCW holders across all state lines (without a serious price barrier), less pointless rules about cosmetic accessories and legal manufacturing/import, more science based policy setting around more potentially dangerous accessories like short barrels on long arms, suppressors, and bayonets, abolishment of the more nonsensical firearm restrictions in hunting season, no more lists of specific banned weapons unless it can be proven beyond doubt that they are more of a risk than others of the same type, better public education about firearms, allot more research into more reliable non lethal methods, outreach programs to encourage replacing existing firearms with good alternatives, a completely voluntary buyback program, for the gun community to detangle it's self from politics and rage fantasy as much as possible, far less restrictive non lethal weapons laws in liberal states, firm legislation prohibiting stalling when providing carry licenses, more firearms museums, a bigger focus on competition and target shooting in the firearms community, clearer and less restrictive firearms policies on large social media sites, heavy restrictions on exporting U.S made firearms to countries experiencing heavy violence or with known corrupt governments, and for weapons with the most potential for public danger to be locked up in rent to use, third party audited and well secured shooting ranges so people can still enjoy them for their fun and historical elements.But at this point, it's become just as much a fundamental issue as abortion or right to die in this ridiculous country, so we'll fuckin see I guess. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621593/#p621593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @ghostI'm mixed on it for allot of reasons that would take a long time to explain in depth...IN general though, I want much better training requirements for CCW holders across all state lines (without a serious price barrier), less pointless rules about cosmetic accessories and legal manufacturing/import, more science based policy setting around more potentially dangerous accessories like short barrels on long arms, suppressors, and bayonets, abolishment of the more nonsensical firearm restrictions in hunting season, no more lists of specific banned weapons unless it can be proven beyond doubt that they are more of a risk than others of the same type, better public education about firearms, allot more research into more reliable non lethal methods, outreach programs to encourage replacing existing firearms with good alternatives, a completely voluntary buyback program, for the gun community to detangle it's self from politics and rage fantasy as much as possible, far less restrictive non lethal weapons laws in liberal states, firm legislation prohibiting stalling when providing carry licenses, more firearms museums, a bigger focus on competition shooting in the firearms community, clearer and less restrictive firearms policies on large social media sites, heavy restrictions on exporting U.S made firearms to countries experiencing heavy violence or with known corrupt governments, and for weapons with the most potential for public danger to be locked up in rent to use, third party audited and well secured shooting ranges so people can still enjoy them for their fun and historical elements.But at this point, it's become just as much a fundamental issue as abortion or right to die in this ridiculous country, so we'll fuckin see I guess. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621593/#p621593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @ghostI'm mixed on it for allot of reasons that would take a long time to explain in depth...IN general though, I want much better training requirements for CCW holders across all state lines (without a serious price barrier), less pointless rules about cosmetic accessories and legal manufacturing/import, more science based policy setting around more potentially dangerous accessories like short barrels on long arms, suppressors, and bayonets, abolishment of the more nonsensical firearm restrictions in hunting season, no more lists of specific banned weapons unless it can be proven beyond doubt that they are more of a risk than others of the same type, better public education about firearms, allot more research into more reliable non lethal methods, outreach programs to encourage replacing existing firearms with good alternatives, a completely voluntary buyback program, far less restrictive non lethal weapons laws in liberal states, firm legislation prohibiting stalling when providing carry licenses, more firearms museums, a bigger focus on competition shooting in the firearms community, clearer and less restrictive firearms policies on large social media sites, and for weapons with the most potential for public danger to be locked up in rent to use, third party audited and well secured shooting ranges so people can still enjoy them for their fun and historical elements.But at this point, it's become just as much a fundamental issue as abortion or right to die in this ridiculous country, so we'll fuckin see I guess. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621593/#p621593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @ghostI'm mixed on it for allot of reasons that would take a long time to explain in depth...IN general though, I want much better training requirements for CCW holders across all state lines (without a serious price barrier), less pointless rules about cosmetic accessories and legal manufacturing/import, abolishment of the more nonsensical firearm restrictions in hunting season, no more lists of specific banned weapons unless it can be proven beyond doubt that they are more of a risk than others of the same type, better public education about firearms, allot more research into more reliable non lethal methods, outreach programs to encourage replacing existing firearms with good alternatives, a completely voluntary buyback program, far less restrictive non lethal weapons laws in liberal states, firm legislation prohibiting stalling when providing carry licenses, more firearms museums, a bigger focus on competition shooting in the firearms community, clearer and less restrictive firearms policies on large social media sites, and for weapons with the most potential for public danger to be locked up in rent to use, third party audited and well secured shooting ranges so people can still enjoy them for their fun and historical elements.But at this point, it's become just as much a fundamental issue as abortion or right to die in this ridiculous country, so we'll fuckin see I guess. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621593/#p621593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us There might be some dems who want your guns, but they aren't going to get them. There just isn't enough support for it.Ghost, for what it's worth to you, I'm Canadian and I agree with you. I don't want people to be entirely helpless if bad actors with guns menace them or whatever. That's not good. But if tons of other countries can do it without their homicide rates going insane and their criminality going off the chart, America is surely the blight, not the beacon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621592/#p621592 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us 32 is that such a bad thing though? The country would be a whole lot safer, eventually there would be no shootings to the level of the UK and EU etc, and after a point police probably wouldn't have to carry asault rifles or guns at all, like it is in the UK. That would mean no police shootings because someone's trigger finger itched. I mean this whole obsession with guns thing is really detremental and harmful. Noone should carry a gun other than for hunting, and then only weapons appropriate for hunting. The assumption by default shouldn't be this person can get a gun, but why does this person need a gun, and they normally don't need one, proove you need one and you better not kill or injure anyone with it, or we'll take them all and lifetime sanction you and prevent you from ever legally owning one again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621589/#p621589 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us 32 is that such a bad thing though? The country would be a whole lot safer, eventually there would be no shootings to the level of the UK and EU etc, and after a point police probably wouldn't have to carry asault rifles or guns at all, like it is in the UK. That would mean no police shootings because someone's trigger finger itched. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621589/#p621589 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us 32 is that such a bad thing though? The country would be a whole lot safer, eventually there would be no shootings to the level of the UK and EU etc, and after a point police probably wouldn't have to carry asault rifles or guns at all, like it is in the UK. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621589/#p621589 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @GCWI like guns.However, most people shouldn't have access to guns in the modern era. They just don't have the necessary training or respect for them, and use them more as a security blanket or recreational device than a genuine defensive tool.Also, guns are a foolish first line of defense, and statistically have far more potential to cause harm than do good in their lifetimes, yet people treat them like the end all and be all of personal protection in this country.When the majority of gun owners stop using them as play things, fashion accessories, dick enhancers, or political statements, maybe I'll agree with you.And yes, I do realize that most liberal politicians don't consider even half of these things when they foolishly go after all firearms in general with their ignorant, hysterical rhetoric, but it doesn't make them less true.Because I've seen plenty of willful stupidity, mental gymnastics, and outright dishonesty in the gun community in the last few years too, and while I still enjoy learning about guns, I don't think the status quo in this country is a good one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621583/#p621583 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Sorry but no Jaide, they really, truly are coming for people's guns. I'm a centrist, but even I know that. If most of the left thought they could manage it without a massive, bloody backlash, they would take them all tomorrow, at best excluding subsistence hunters and possibly farmers with single shot weapons, along with (probably) police and the military.That's not paranoia speaking either. It's based on hard research and experience. They may say one thing, but their campaign promises to anti gun groups, and the bills they put forward say another.Yes, the gun industry does pull in allot of cash, but so do other industries. They've made it quite clear that they are happy to take the popular support of liberals as a replacement for it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621587/#p621587 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us 29, hearing a target isn't good enough to take a shot at it. What happens if you are in a croud, and hit someone else instead? Or at home, and accidentally hit a family member behind your target? For close range, weapons like tasers, knives make alot more sense and are alot less likely to generate casualties. This blindness isn't important stuff sounds ridiculous, and is like saying, hmm blind people can hear traffic and what lane a car is at, so they should get to drive. Noone screams and cries about discrimination when blind people can't drive, and noone should about guns too. Democrats really aren't doing enough to ban guns. If enough public support is reached, there really should be talk of modifying the constitution so that gun ownership becomes a privilidge instead of a right.Its a document like any other, and should be changed if there is enough public support for it. Until gun ownership is a privilidge, we will keep having more and more and more shootings, and Nancy Pelosi will keep putting out her condolances messages for the people who died instead of actually taking action. Aalso, I'd watch that tone if I were you. You seem to imply that you or people you influence would go out and start killing hundreds/thousands and start a civil war. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621588/#p621588 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Sorry but no Jaide, they really, truly are coming for people's guns. I'm a centrist, but even I know that. If most of the left thought they could manage it without a massive, bloody backlash, they would take them all tomorrow, at best excluding subsistence hunters and possibly farmers with single shot weapons, along with (probably) police and the military.That's not paranoia speaking either. It's based on hard research and experience. They may say one thing, but their campaign promises to anti gun groups, and the bills they put forward say another. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621587/#p621587 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @GCWI like guns.However, most people shouldn't have access to guns in the modern era. They just don't have the necessary training or respect for them, and use them more as a security blanket or recreational device than a genuine defensive tool.Also, guns are a foolish first line of defense, and statistically have far more potential to cause harm than do good in their lifetimes, yet people treat them like the end all and be all of personal protection in this country.When the majority of gun owners stop using them as play things, fashion accessories, dick enhancers, or political statements, maybe I'll agree with you.And yes, I do realize that most liberal politicians don't consider even half of these things when they foolishly go after all firearms in general with their ignorant, hysterical rhetoric, but it doesn't make them less true.Because I've seen plenty of willful stupidity, mental gymnastics, and outright dishonesty in the gun community in the last few years, and while I still enjoy learning about guns, I don't think the status quo in this country is a good one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621583/#p621583 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Democrats aren't coming for your guns. They want better legislation so it's a bit harder for people on the edge to get them. Nothing you do will stop truly bad actors from having them, but there are certain types of weapons that just don't belong in a home or on your person. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621584/#p621584 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us I like guns.Most people shouldn't have guns. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621583/#p621583 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Don't talk about things you have no experience with. You do not need to visualize a target in order to hit it. If someone's moving, breathing, coughing, that's enough. So why should we be refused permits, exactly? We're more vulnerable. If someone comes at you, you're not going to necessarily know what they have on them. Even if you hear a knife clack open, you're not going to know the length of the blade, though maybe you can guess. This hinders your ability to estimate reach in a fight. If we're under attack, we have to rely on our survival instincts to get us out of it. That means doing whatever is necessary, since we can't afford to not use force if someone is being violent against us, as it would mean the very likely loss of our own life.Oh and talk talk talk about disarming, and they're even trying too. Look how difficult it's been to get parts and ammo. That's what they want. But if they tried an all out assault, tens to hundreds of thousands would die. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621577/#p621577 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us as for infrastructure, something has to be done about that too. But complicating is it that, people would view raising taxes as money thrown away, nevermind that it benefits people more in times of crisis, and you don't have stuff like 4 week power outages in an ice storm if you modernize the equipment. I don't know what it would take to explain the benefits of a modern infrastructure to people that is relatable to everyone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621566/#p621566 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us 8, I agree with you on the US being the most conservative developed country. So 1, I invite you to step back and think about this for a moment. The US is by far the most conservative country among all the developed nations. If you wanted more, you have to go to places like Saudi Arabia, but wait, I guess Muslim Wahabi conservatism would be offensive to you so. Here are some things that show that. Here in the US, democrats are like center right conservatives in other countries. Look at it this way. Under Trump people got more stimulus than they're getting under Biden. Even though demoicrats control both chambers, Joe Manchin and a few other democrats went omgomgomg we can't offend our republican friends, so lets lower the eligibility of checks to 50k a year, and ended up doing it so that anyone earning over 80 k a year was totally cut out. He said he would send 2000 checks if the democrats in Georgia won, but when they did he turned around and said wait you already got 600 so you actually get 1400 hahaha. And for reference, when biden said he'd send another 2000, after the 600 stimulus had passed under Trump so, what he did was really cheap. You may see 600 isn't much, but people notice these things. Also, the so called moderate democrats went further, and cut unemployment from the initial proposal from 400 to 300 a week. And the so called moderates are blocking getting rid of the filibuster, regardless of the fact that it basicly means they'll accomplish exactly nothing until the midterms, as republicans will block any bill put forth by the democrats, because they long figured out it hurts them and they get blamed for it. So based on what's happening, democrats probably will lose the midterm elections. They iether are extremely dumb or naive, not taking action to keep their campaign promises, and bowing to republicans for so called bipartisanship, never mind what you acctually acomplish in the name of that. Oh and Biden said initially he would forgive student lone debt, and someone asked him during a town hall if he supported that, or owuld do it, and he adamently said no. So he's doing a really good job to harm his image in the eyes of many groups of people. Even the progressive democrats are far to docile , they just let Manchin single handedly block the bill until he got stimulus eligibility and the minimum wage increase cut, when any of them could have stood up and did the same to get at least some of what they want. And when the parlamentarian said the minimum wage couldn't be passed by reconsiliation, democrats were again too docile to overrule the parlamentarian, nevermind that they had the right to do that. In short, democrats are extremely spineless and won't accomplish much, and as a result are doomed to keep losing midterms because they do a far better job of punching themselves in the face than anyone else ever could.8, as for states having more auttonomy, I feel that it would ultimately harmful. If places go all republicanland as much as they want, that actually can get people killed, hello Texas? or bankrupt, hello again Texas? Or like states that opt out of obamacare, hello again Texas and some other states. Or with voter laws to desuade certain groups of people from voting, like requiring certain types of ID, removing ballot boxes from certain locations etc. This screws over alot of groups of people, and screws over even more people who can't move out of said states that harm they're livelyhood for various reasons. In worst case scenario, we could have another civil war, with republican and democrat states, though this seemed more likely under Trump.1, if you still aren't convinced you are already living in the most conservative developed country, look another point, guns. The US, other than Yemen is the only country where possessing asault weapons is enshrined in the constitution as a right. This has done alot of harm. Look at US gun violence rates compared to other developed country, even if you account for population difference, it is massively higher. But nooo that isn't enough. We also have to give blind people guns? Who the fuck thought that was a good idea? I am still astounded on how crazy this is. Blind people can't be legally refused gun permits, never mind the fact that people with felony or drug charges can't own one, and that being able to visualize a target is gun safety 101, and the fact that you can't visualize a target means you shouldn't own one.Its literally like 2+2=4. And no, hearing should not count as visualisation, as its not as accurate or relyable for this as vision. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621563/#p621563 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us 8, I agree with you on the US being the most conservative developed country. So 1, I invite you to step back and think about this for a moment. The US is by far the most conservative country among all the developed nations. If you wanted more, you have to go to places like Saudi Arabia, but wait, I guess Muslim Wahabi conservatism would be offensive to you so. Here are some things that show that. Here in the US, democrats are like center right conservatives in other countries. Look at it this way. Under Trump people got more stimulus than they're getting under Biden. Even though demoicrats control both chambers, Joe Manchin and a few other democrats went omgomgomg we can't offend our republican friends, so lets lower the eligibility of checks to 50k a year, and ended up doing it so that anyone earning over 80 k a year was totally cut out. He said he would send 2000 checks if the democrats in Georgia won, but when they did he turned around and said wait you already got 600 so you actually get 1400 hahaha. And for reference, when biden said he'd send another 2000, after the 600 stimulus had passed under Trump so, what he did was really cheap. You may see 600 isn't much, but people notice these things. Also, the so called moderate democrats went lower, and cut unemployment from the initial proposal from 400 to 300 a week. And the so called moderates are blocking getting rid of the filebuster, regardless of the fact that it basicly means they'll accomplish exactly nothing until the midterms, as republicans will block any bill put forth by the democrats, because they long figured out it hurts them and they get blamed for it. So based on what's happening, democrats probably will lose the midterm elections. They iether are extremely dumb or naive, not taking action to keep their campaign promises, and bowing to republicans for so called bipartisanship, never mind what you acctually acomplish in the name of that. Oh and Biden said initially he would forgive student lone debt, and someone asked him during a town hall if he supported that, or owuld do it, and he adamently said no. So he's doing a really good job to harm his image in the eyes of many groups of people. Even the progressive democrats are far to docile , they just let Manchin single handedly block the bill until he got stimulus eligibility and the minimum wage increase cut, when any of them could have stood up and did the same to get at least some of what they want. And when the parlamentarian said the minimum wage couldn't be passed by reconsiliation, democrats were again too docile to overrule the parlamentarian, nevermind that they had the right to do that. In short, democrats are extremely spineless and won't accomplish much, and as a result are doomed to keep losing midterms because they do a far better job of punching themselves in the face than anyone else ever could.8, as for states having more auttonomy, I feel that it would ultimately harmful. If places go all republicanland as much as they want, that actually can get people killed, hello Texas? or bankrupt, hello again Texas? Or like states that opt out of obamacare, hello again Texas and some other states. Or with voter laws to desuade certain groups of people from voting, like requiring certain types of ID, removing ballot boxes from certain locations etc. This screws over alot of groups of people, and screws over even more people who can't move out of said states that harm they're livelyhood for various reasons. In worst case scenario, we could have another civil war, with republican and democrat states, though this seemed more likely under Trump.1, if you still aren't convinced you are already living in the most conservative developed country, look another point, guns. The US, other than Yemen is the only country where possessing asault weapons is enshrined in the constitution as a right. This has done alot of harm. Look at US gun violence rates compared to other developed country, even if you account for population difference, it is massively higher. But nooo that isn't enough. We also have to give blind people guns? Who the fuck thought that was a good idea? I am still astounded on how crazy this is. Blind people can't be legally refused gun permits, never mind the fact that people with felony or drug charges can't own one, and that being able to visualize a target is gun safety 101, and the fact that you can't visualize a target means you shouldn't own one.Its literally like 2+2=4. And no, hearing should not count as visualisation, as its not as accurate or relyable for this as vision. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621563/#p621563 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us 8, I agree with you on the US. So 1, I invite you to step back and think about this for a moment. The US is by far the most conservative country among all the developed nations. If you wanted more, you have to go to places like Saudi Arabia, but wait, I guess Muslim Wahabi conservatism would be offensive to you so. Here are some things that show that. Here in the US, democrats are like center right conservatives in other countries. Look at it this way. Under Trump people got more stimulus than they're getting under Biden. Even though demoicrats control both chambers, Joe Manchin and a few other democrats went omgomgomg we can't offend our republican friends, so lets lower the eligibility of checks to 50k a year, and ended up doing it so that anyone earning over 80 k a year was totally cut out. He said he would send 2000 checks if the democrats in Georgia won, but when they did he turned around and said wait you already got 600 so you actually get 1400 hahaha. And for reference, when biden said he'd send another 2000, after the 600 stimulus had passed under Trump so, what he did was really cheap. You may see 600 isn't much, but people notice these things. Also, the so called moderate democrats went lower, and cut unemployment from the initial proposal from 400 to 300 a week. And the so called moderates are blocking getting rid of the filebuster, regardless of the fact that it basicly means they'll accomplish exactly nothing until the midterms, as republicans will block any bill put forth by the democrats, because they long figured out it hurts them and they get blamed for it. So based on what's happening, democrats probably will lose the midterm elections. They iether are extremely dumb or naive, not taking action to keep their campaign promises, and bowing to republicans for so called bipartisanship, never mind what you acctually acomplish in the name of that. Oh and Biden said initially he would forgive student lone debt, and someone asked him during a town hall if he supported that, or owuld do it, and he adamently said no. So he's doing a really good job to harm his image in the eyes of many groups of people. Even the progressive democrats are far to docile , they just let Manchin single handedly block the bill until he got stimulus eligibility and the minimum wage increase cut, when any of them could have stood up and did the same to get at least some of what they want. And when the parlamentarian said the minimum wage couldn't be passed by reconsiliation, democrats were again too docile to overrule the parlamentarian, nevermind that they had the right to do that. In short, democrats are extremely spineless and won't accomplish much, and as a result are doomed to keep losing midterms because they do a far better job of punching themselves in the face than anyone else ever could.8, as for states having more auttonomy, I feel that it would ultimately harmful. If places go all republicanland as much as they want, that actually can get people killed, hello Texas? or bankrupt, hello again Texas? Or like states that opt out of obamacare, hello again Texas and some other states. Or with voter laws to desuade certain groups of people from voting, like requiring certain types of ID, removing ballot boxes from certain locations etc. This screws over alot of groups of people, and screws over even more people who can't move out of said states that harm they're livelyhood for various reasons. In worst case scenario, we could have another civil war, with republican and democrat states, though this seemed more likely under Trump.1, if you still aren't convinced you are already living in the most conservative developed country, look another point, guns. The US, other than Yemen is the only country where possessing asault weapons is enshrined in the constitution as a right. This has done alot of harm. Look at US gun violence rates compared to other developed country, even if you account for population difference, it is massively higher. But nooo that isn't enough. We also have to give blind people guns? Who the fuck thought that was a good idea? I am still astounded on how crazy this is. Blind people can't be legally refused gun permits, never mind the fact that people with felony or drug charges can't own one, and that being able to visualize a target is gun safety 101, and the fact that you can't visualize a target means you shouldn't own one.Its literally like 2+2=4. And no, hearing should not count as visualisation, as its not as accurate or relyable for this as vision. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621563/#p621563 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Hurstseth405, that's actually sort of good to know.I say again though: you aren't in danger because you have conservative values. Just take a breath. It's going to be okay. Seriously, it is.Vulcan, I want to qualify what you said about how democrats will block republicans, and vice versa. A lot of the time, that is true. But it's not a complete picture.Example: last year, which was an election year, Donald Trump and the GOP proposed stimulus for Americans. They had enough senate votes to shove it through without democrats, but guess what the senate vote was? 96-0. That means that virtually every democrat voted in favour of the stimulus, even though it meant siding with their political opponents to do it. That stimulus helped Trump's re-election bid, even if it ultimately failed. It was something he could point to and say, "I set in motion something that garnered bipartisan support". Democrats knew that bill was going to happen with or without them, so they voted for it.Just three days ago, every single republican senator voted -against precisely the same scenario. Democrats passed a huge stimulus bill which will do all kinds of good for everyday Americans, especially poorer ones. Republicans knew that voting "nay" would not actually overturn the result. This isn't an election year, so they had nothing to lose by voting "yea". Yet every one of them still chose to signal their lack of support.I'm sorry, but that's kind of a big deal. I know that sometimes the parties do agree on stuff, and that's good. And I know sometimes both parties absolutely do block each other for bullshit reasons, and that's awful. But what I'm not going to do is let a false equivalency stand. Last year, democrats could have stood against stimulus just to own the GOP, but instead they supported it because they knew that the American people needed a ton of help. This year, the republicans, when faced with an even more favourable scenario (no risks associated) all chose to just say no, because it was the democrats doing the bill. Let that sink in for a moment. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621513/#p621513 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us sence we're doing fun facts I'm a Indypendent with conservative values. I was never a 100% trump supporter I thought the guy was an idiot most of the time. I don't like the two party system as well and really think its time for a national divorce break the country into like minded countrys and after 4 years see how they doo. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621509/#p621509 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us sence we're doing fun facts I'm a Indypendent with conservative values. I was never a 100% trump supporter I thought the guy was a idiot most of the time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621509/#p621509 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Someone once compared the American politics system to a Business model. Work with me for a minute. Picture Coke as the left and Pepsi as the right. right now both of those businesses make it hard for a smaller food or soft drink company to exist. They exist, but they have to work hard to get their products to the consumers, a lot harder then Pepsi and Coke. The American system is like that. The democrats and the republicans now both hold the country, and the other parties have to work a thousand times harder to get to the people. coke and Pepsi hold 75% of the snack and drink market while the democrats and republicans hold 100% of the country. I believe they call it a duopoly. The main issue isn't whether your Republican or Democrat, it is the fact that they both control everything. It is for show that they are against one another. A democrat will always vote democratic and a republican will always vote republican. Mean while the people in the middle are like bouncy balls, they go with whomever they think is the lesser of 2 evils. In this country you don't run on your own merits because those who run can hide behind the party and do what they please. I believe that those in office should have to prove that they are the right person for the job and that they are in it not for themselves but for the country and its people. I know many who chose a party because they are 1 issue voters and I believe that in itself is a huge problem when it comes to choosing those who are suppose to represent us. That alone is not the only reason though; their is much more that affects that decision. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621492/#p621492 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us In reality, Bernie is probably center-left. He doesn't want to abolish capitalism outright. He wants a form of social democracy, or democratic socialism, and I think that in the short term this is probably our best bet, even if we're not gonna get it.What Bernie is not, though, is right of center. Like, not at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621491/#p621491 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us I don't get American politics at all. If somebody got a thousand dollars or maybe even less from some coorporation or another, they would be roasted out of danish politics, but in the US, nobody seems to be really worried. It's just crazy to me. I mean, the Democrats are probably on par with some of our most right-leaning parties, and Berney Sanders would probably be center or center left. To be fair, our center right political party is literally called "Left", so it might say more about us than them. And yet, we haven't turned into a communist dictatorship, we still have a free market, and as far as I remember, we aren't doing bad at all when it comes to business opportunities. I think the US could learn something from Scandinavia. The free market is important, but so is keeping everyone healthy, fead and happy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621482/#p621482 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us I don't get American politics at all. If somebody got a thousand dollars or maybe even less from some coorporation or another, they would be roasted out of danish politics, but in the US, nobody seems to be really worried. It's just crazy to me. I mean, the Democrats are probably on par with some of our most right-leaning parties, and Berney Sanders would probably be center or center left. I mean, to be fair, our center right political party is literally called "Left". And yet, we haven't turned into a communist dictatorship, we still have a free market, and as far as I remember, we aren't doing bad at all when it comes to business opportunities. I think the US could learn something from Scandinavia. The free market is important, but so is keeping everyone healthy, fead and happy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621482/#p621482 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @19There were way more problems than renewable energy in the Texas thing, for what that's worth.Solar/wind/etc makes sense for you guys if and only if you also invest in the energy storage technologies to make it through periods like that, but my understanding is that the actual problem was that the entire grid was fragile. This wikipedia article links lots of sources and says that solar/wind turbines were only blamed initially and weren't the main cause: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisisI think the most relevant quote is "However, renewable energy accounts for only 23% of Texas power output". Maybe that's not true, but outside a very few places in the U.S. we are still mostly natural gas and coal.Most of the U.S.'s electrical grid is held together by paperclips and glue though. It's a big problem. No one wants to invest in it because it's boring, works, and costs money. Then it doesn't. No one wants to make it government run or government oversight, because capitalism, then we get PG and Texas and that thing in Massachusetts a few years back and the big New York blackouts at various times and...because everyone is trying to run public utilities for a profit.Unfortunately fixing this also requires higher taxes, which, well, haha. Not in the U.S. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621480/#p621480 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Your government was warned in 2011 that it needed to fix those problems. It didn't do so. Then it tried blaming the problem on your windmills when they account for about 11% of your power. Then Ted Cruise fucked off to Cancun.I'm glad you can recognize when your own side makes bad calls. I think that's vital, and it seems to be missing from more polarized discussion.Despite being far to the left, I'm absolutely ready to call out shit when I see it. Like if someone is being legit bullied by a leftist, screw that. If people are saying Andrew Cuomo shouldn't resign, fuck that too; he did some good things, but he's also done more than enough to get his ass fired. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621477/#p621477 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us EhhFar left and far right both suck.Guess there's positives and negatives of both.I'm more right centered, and so is my family, and that's how we vote. But that doesn't mean we agree with everything people centered right do, think, or say.For example, in Texas a few weeks ago we got slammed with a winter storm that we were absolutely not prepared for.People, who we didn't agree with, spent money on these wind powered and solar powered systems, and they were either covered in snow, or frozen in place.That caused the Texas power grid to have major issues, and there wasn't enough power for everyone to use all at the same time. Our power was cut off for 24 hours, in -1 degree weather. In, Texas!Thank God we had a gas powered stove. If not, we would've been screwed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621475/#p621475 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us At the risk of turning this into more wailing about Covid-19 and the like, I just want to point out that I do believe there's way, way too much money in politics. Corporate money holds far too much power for all of them.Practically speaking, conservatives in America have absolutely nothing to be afraid of. If people jump on you with both feet for being a conservative, all by itself, that's not cool and they shouldn't be doing that. But I promise you that most people worth associating with will not do this. They might fundamentally disagree with you, but they'll leave you alone about it unless you get pushy.Now, that's important. If you just want to live your life, be left alone, given a chance to succeed or fail on your own merits, and just so happen to hold a right-wing viewpoint? Fine. No problem. You aren't trying to harm anyone. Zero problem.Where you start getting into trouble is when you start talking about how the other side is out to get you, or out to erode everything you hold dear. Trust me, they're not. You are not in danger. I can't stress this enough.Now, if you're in the shrinking minority that believes some of the wilder stuff coming out of the right, this might be a good time to quietly reflect on that. I'm not saying you need to renounce everything you've ever believed, but take a good long look at yourself and ask yourself why you believe what you do. And if you've caught some flak for it, maybe dial it back a little.America is calming down. Good things are starting to happen. The dems are a country mile from perfect, but we're starting to see change that's actually going to do some good. You're still going to have capital-hill infighting, obstructionism and grandstanding. You're still going to have one side invent culture-war stuff that doesn't exist. You're still going to have the other side absolutely and categorically refusing to let shit go. There are good reasons for the latter, bad reasons for the former, but if they all make you uncomfortable, just keep your distance. Go about your life. Nobody's out to get you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621474/#p621474 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2021-03-09
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Re: thinking about leaving the us politics isn’t necessarily my thing, I’ll go with anyone who directly or indirectly leads to the advancement of technology and the preservation of our environment. kind of hard to like the right when, A. They mostly are racists and B. Their ideals inevitably lead to earth being uninhabitable. my view of the right as a whole has been influenced over the past four years to the one I currently hold. And it seems that (at least for some things such as the coronavirus for example) the Democrats have actually done some thing unlike our former president. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621464/#p621464 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us fun fact: I don't actually like democrats much either. They're too centrist and they roll over too easily. Folks like Joe Manchin make my fucking blood boil. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621461/#p621461 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @14I mean, like. In fairness I only vote for the democrats because they're the lesser evil of two evils. I dislike them for different reasons than gcw, but I honestly can't peg gcw at all because they seem to be relatively liberal most of the time then explicitly and specifically hate the democrats when the democrats come up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621452/#p621452 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us @GCWExplain to me how the republican version of dystopia is any better and maybe I'll get on board with your one sided hatred of democrats.As far as I'm concerned, it's half a dozen of one 6 of the other at this point, the choice of oppressor is purely academic. But yes, the left does have a better public image right now, and I do see the danger in that (the frog in a boiling pot analogy springs to mind) given we're still talking about politicians in a corrupt capitalist system here, which means they serve the agenda of the highest campaign contributors and or believe they know what's best for everyone based on their limited experience and class/race biases.TL:DRAs far as I'm concerned, any non moderate/centrist politicians who have an I know best attitude or take what amounts to bribes for policy changes can fuck off. Unfortunately that's almost all of them ATM, and that isn't and shouldn't be a partisan issue. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621446/#p621446 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2021-03-09
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Re: thinking about leaving the us You know, if there will be the day on which they vote for removing the second amendment, this is the day where I will get some huge bags of poppcorn and watch the people go up in flames.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621408/#p621408 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us I mean really, no one is taking those freedoms away. This idea that the dems are going to just steamroll conservative values or whatever is false. They haven't done anything significant since 2010. They couldn't even close Guantanamo even though that would haven't needed congress, just a few people like actually deciding to do it.Even now the filibuster means that no dramatic policy is going to get through, because the dems in power actually just always default to playing nice. It's the Twitter-ified version of dems that make the dems look super radical. Even things that are pretty universally liked like expanded voter rights or limits on how much money corporations can pour into politics are dead on arrival even though they've got both chambers and the presidency; they could get it through, but to do that they'd have to fuck over the republicans, and even when they hold all the cards they can't get enough unity to decide to do that.I guess maybe the deplatforming etc. is concerning, and I don't like it, but Congress and whatever isn't deplatforming. That's really all the twitter mob. Dems in politics are almost universally nice, in the bad way. it gets them elected but then they don't do much with it and nothing ever happens. Hand them a majority everywhere and they still don't fulfill their promises to their voters.Conservatives have the supreme court and a lot of other lifetime judge appointments and an opponent who rolls over and shows their belly even when they hold all the cards. I honestly think that if democrats actually fulfilled the promises they make a lot of you "dems are evil" people would like them for it.As things stand conservatives have a very strong foothold. If they capitalize on it instead of continuing to tie themselves to Trump they have a very good chance of sweeping the 2022 and 2024 elections, and flipping this thread around so that I'm considering leaving because I'm a disabled minority and as soon as it's conservatives all the way that's not a good thing to be anymore. But eh, same problem: disabled means no immigrating.The Twitter mob is another story. I don't like the Twitter mob. But frankly both sides do all the stuff that the Twitter mobs do, using the same tactics. Most of the deplatforming and ugly stuff comes from social media.I used to believe that the federal government should be more powerful. Then I watched the last 4 years. Now, I kind of wish that the states had all the power. That would solve all of this pretty quick and get us a collection of 50 countries with easy immigration. Democratss could go to Democratland Republicans to Republicanland. Then who makes better policy gets solved fast and we see who fails. But more to the point we could just all go avoid the other side and policy would happen and if you're a gay atheist you go to Seattle and be happy, and if you're a conservative Christian you go to somewhere in Florida and be happy. And if one side fails, then the fact that they fail changes minds and everyone flips without even having to argue the point. This isn't exactly a serious policy proposal because there's a lot of practicalities in there that make it infeasible, but: if I had my way that's how we'd solve this. I believe the Democrats would win in the sense that in the end everyone would want to go live in the Democratic places, but eh, maybe not. In any case if you could do it then at least no one would have to fear the president anymore. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621366/#p621366 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us As someone who also holds conservative valuse, the United States is still the best place to be. Other countries don't have many of the same freedoms that we do here. I just hope we can hang on to those freedoms going forward. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621330/#p621330 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2021-03-09
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Re: thinking about leaving the us I feel where you're coming from, but you really don't have any alternatives. I hate the dems too, with every fiber of my being. Hate is not even strong enough of a word, but it's a cancer, what they spew. It's a disease and it's already too late because it's spreading like wild fire. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621316/#p621316 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Canlorn, you make a fair point, so I'm not gonna escalate further.Seriously though, the false-flag persecution is crap. And the argument you made re: America is about as far right as you can get without greater sacrifice...that's basically what I was saying. If you go someplace else, you'll either end up in a country that's welcoming but further left, or a country where your right-wing values are normalized but where you have no social safety net and few rights, especially as an immigrant. Right-wing values and immigrants don't tend to get along especially well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621303/#p621303 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us I think that quite aside from any debate that's going to be had here, and man will there ever be, the answer to the question is "you can't because the U.S. is currently the most conservative country there is, unless you want to go somewhere that's basically a religious state". Our left is most country's right, or at least their center. You have to start looking to places like the middle east or small countries in South America if you honestly want something more conservative than the U.S. and you're going to basically have no rights as a disabled person in any of those places for starters. Assuming that their conservative values mean you can even immigrate as a disabled person in the first place, that is.There's no reason to attack though. You're not going to convince anyone who genuinely believes that Trump won the 2020 election that he didn't at this point. They didn't say that, so maybe let's not put words in their mouth, but if that is what they believe and why they want to immigrate, just help or don't participate. But unfortunately: there is nowhere else for such people to go is the answer to this question, so there we are. End of discussion, really. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621298/#p621298 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Oh lord. Hold onto your underpants, folks. Things are about to get icky...again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621279/#p621279 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Change is better than tradition. Although I feel like Jaydes post was a bit of an Overreaction. If you want to live in a place that better supports your conservative values, just go live in the south. They aren't exactly people who like change, although this differs from large cities to small, Rural towns. There’s no need to move to another country, in fact you probably wouldn’t fit in if you did. Not quite, because we Americans are, something else. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621259/#p621259 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Change is better than tradition. Although I feel like Jaydes post was a bit of an Overreaction. If you want to live in a place that better supports your conservative values, just go live in the south. They aren't exactly people who like change, although this differs from large cities to small, Rural towns. There’s no need to move to another country. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621259/#p621259 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us My post was strong, yes, and there's a reason for that.Conservatives in America are extremely busy waging war on anything and everything right now because they're getting thrashed in all the areas that matters.So how does that apply to the topic creator? Simple. He's trying to make it look like conservatives have a really undeservedly unfair time in America right now. They absolutely do not. Life is not that hard purely because you're a right-winger. It might be difficult because you're poor, or black, or uneducated, or a woman, or disabled, or gay, or some combination of those factors, but it's not hard because you're on the right fringe of the political spectrum. It's manufactured persecution, and I am 100% over it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621261/#p621261 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Change is better than tradition. Although I feel like Jaydes post was a bit of an Overreaction. If you want to live in a place that better supports your conservative values, just go live in the south. They aren't exactly people who like change, although this differs from large cities to small, Rural towns URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621259/#p621259 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us Change is better than tradition. Although I feel like Jaydes post was a bit of an Overreaction. If you want to live in a place that better supports your conservative values, just go live in the south. They aren't exactly people who like change, or facts. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621259/#p621259 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2021-03-09
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Re: thinking about leaving the us and conservative values are slowly dying in pretty much most countries anyways (which I say it’s for the better) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621258/#p621258 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us You have got to be kidding me."I want to leave the country where I was born because Donald Trump isn't the president anymore, and now democrats are doing good things for everyday Americans."This isn't what you said, but it might as well be.I don't know what state you live in, because I don't know you, but here are some tips.1. If you're really and truly set on making a life change because you want your right-wing values more represented, go and live in deep-country West Virginia or Alabama or something. Someplace populated largely by uneducated white people who don't know the first thing about politics. You'll probably fit right in.2. If you really stop and consider your position, you'll realize how much privilege you're showing. Life in America is getting better now, not worse. Also, as far as political climates go, America is center-right. If you were to go to, say, Canada, or Sweden, or England, or Brazil, you're going to end up in a similar spot, except of course you won't necessarily know the culture, won't have any social safety net. Most of Europe thinks that America is way too far to the right, and they're correct. Trust me, it's not that bad for you. In other words, you're really not going to risk persecution in the United States. Just stay there and learn to accept reality.Do you seriously think a foreign country is going to accept a bullshit immigration reason like, "My home country persecutes me because I'm a conservative"? Better question. Do you really think you have a right to go to a new country? How do you feel about people coming to America? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621254/#p621254 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: thinking about leaving the us I don't think you will find a place similar to the US where you can express your conservative values in a freer way.Sorry to say but, frankly speaking, change your values, not your country. You will feel better. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/621248/#p621248 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
