Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? ehh ear hockey is bugged, I forgot about this game, but I could play very good because of press only arrows, I am not sure, but this game is bad. Dragonpong is not bad, even showdown game is playable, but is not multiplayer and the ball should go out even 3 or 4 times during the 1 set. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483155/#p483155 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? If you use windows 10 there's ear hockey from Microsoft.It's not swish or Shodown, but it's probably as close as you're going to get, providing you can get the online play to work.Whenever I go into the lobby to look for a player it's always empty, so either the game never took off, or something is broken.At my school, They just modified a ping pong table and we'd just muck around because we weren't familiar with the rules.This is back when the internet was just starting to take off so no competitions for us. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483119/#p483119 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? If you want to listen to showdown in bineural technology, here you are:https://www.dropbox.com/s/jc726bh5rdvdq … 9.pls?dl=1We have polish championship. If you hear only music try again in a few minutes. and of course you have to use your headphones.Poland is time zone +1.Tomorow we will play from quater finals. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483091/#p483091 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Yeah. Unfortunately, storage and a space are also expensive. And again, it comes down to interest. People in the states are much more interested in Goalball, Beep Baseball, Blind Soccer and Hockey. Even Blind Tennis only has a very small following. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482954/#p482954 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? I thought either about invite swish players to showdown game, because if they are good at swish, they will be not bad at showdown. 7 years ago maybe 9, bats in showdown had 36 cm.and if australian people will want to start play showdown, we will play in Europe, Asia, and Australia, and in a near future Africa maybe. I asked swish admins about this discipline in Australia and other countries. I am waiting on answer. ` URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482949/#p482949 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Okay, I've now read the rules for Swish. While it has the same basic ideas how to play it is actually a totally different sport. The table is narrower, the bats bigger, the bal bigger, the counting is different, the matches go differently... So there is no chance to have competitions together or anything.It also seems that Swish has been invented before Showdown, so there is that Don't know if there would be much interesst in Australia to adopt the Showdown rules instead of their own Swish rules. So it could be difficult to come together here. Not to mention that Meiffert is right, their Swish events have been canceled a lot and it doesn't seem like there is much interesst to play even Swish... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482940/#p482940 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? @Meiffert:Really cool, thanks for your investigation about Swish! I'll dive in that rule page later or tomorrow And my name, well... I don't necessarily want to post it on a forum, but yes I was at the ETT. Someone with a google search will find it out quite easily though Writing Massimo about this is a good idea too! Don't know if he already knows about it.@Assault_Freak:The tablemaker would be a problem, yes. There are blueprints available to build a normalized table but the first table would probably be quite expensive. The tables we import from Czech Republic are about 1.500 € + 250 € shipping. Shipping to another continent is no option though I guess.On the other hand the place to keep the table doesn't need to be something special. You can disassemble the table very easily and store it in two pieces + the center board. Doesn't take much space and reassembling it doesn't take more than a couple minutes. So you only need a place to play and a little storrage. Thats still not easy to come by, sure. But it's way better than needing a place to have that 12 times 4 feet big thing standing around all the time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482933/#p482933 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? I wish it could catch on here as well, honestly. But the lack of a table maker, as well as the lack of a place to permanently keep a table is the problem, at least here in Canada. The thing in Europe is that with much more involved schools for the blind and other support centers, there is a place to keep a table up so people can play and get involved. Not here in Canada, though. I think if there was a solution to those two problems, there'd be more interest in playing regularly. I would certainly be happy about it. haha. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482869/#p482869 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? ehh, I think this sport is really unpopular in Australia, on their facebook page is very small posts and a lot of cancelled meetings. Pity.btw, dragon pong is not bad game, but shield protections are a little unfair;P or either I prefer play without them, but probably it is impossible. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482855/#p482855 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? @kool_turkI read rules about swish and I notice a few differents betwin this disciplina and showdown. I don't know all showdown rules all the time;D But, balls in showdown are smaller about 0,5 centimeter diameter.I don't know what is service areas, maybe the same as defence field in showdown.If I good understand, showdown bats are shorter. in swish rules all the time is written "for example "when oponent arge with referee he loose point", probably the second player get 1 point, not first player loose 1 point.and I noticed 1 weird rule. • When the ball is returned by anything that is not in contact with the bat you lost 1 point.link to swish rules:https://www.facebook.com/16885679480267 … 855089851/ps Hong what is your name? Were you on top 12? Probably you were on international competitions because a lot of german players take part in competitions.I think it is good idea to write mail to Masimo about swish, showdown and swish rules are similar, maybe australian people will want to start play showdown? if yes, we will get 1 continent. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482846/#p482846 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Slightly off topic, for those like myself who don't have a local Showdown scene, it would be cool if there was a multiplayer showdown game, similar to DragonPong or other sports games. The same for Goalball would be cool as well, but goalball is a much more complex sport, which means it would be harder to code. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482827/#p482827 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? @Assault_freak:The 35 minute estimation is for best of five matches. There you have to win three sets in order to win the match. The longest match I had so far was about 1 1/2 hours long though and went over the full five sets.Normal turnament matches are usually only best of three and calculated with 25 minutes on average. Only finals and the matches on the European Top Twelve go the extra mile there To bad that it won't catch on in North America in your opinion. I love this sport and wished there'd be more development towards an intercontinental scene.Well, maybe its better that way, couldn't afford a ticket to a turnament in America anyway @Kool_Turk:Wow, thats very interessting. Is Swish just another name for it or have you also changed some of the rules? Thinking about it you'd probably can't compare with our rules because you don't know ours as well... Just in case you happen to know something about that Do you know where you get the tables from? That is also an interessting factor because in Europe we settled on a certain fabricate they build in the Czech Republic, thats certainly not an option for other continents. But if you don't have easy access to playing material you aren't exactly encourraged to start a sport...I'm getting quite excited about the feedback I get here. I wasn't even sure if anybody would even know what I'm talking about. Keep the input coming Also in the poll there was one person who voted for playing in Asia. Can they please tell me where they come from? I'm very curious about Showdown in Asia, think it is starting to catch on there... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482800/#p482800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? @Assault_freak:The 35 minute estimation is for best of five matches. There you have to win three sets in order to win the match. The longest match I had so far was about 1 1/2 hours long though and went over the full five sets.Normal turnament matches are usually only best of three and calculated with 25 minutes on average. Only finals and the matches on the European Top Twelve go the extra mile there To bad that it won't catch on in North America in your opinion. I love this sport and wished there'd be more development towards an intercontinental scene.Well, maybe its better that way, couldn't afford a ticket to a turnament in America anyway @Kool_Turk:Wow, thats very interessting. Is Swish just another name for it or have you also changed some of the rules? Thinking about it you'd probably can't compare with our rules because you don't know ours as well... Just if you happen to know something about that Do you know where you get the tables from? That is also an interessting factor because in Europe we settled on a certain fabricate they build in the Czech Republic, thats certainly not an option for other continents. But if you don't have easy access to playing material you aren't exactly encourraged to start a sport...I'm getting quite excited about the feedback I get here. I wasn't even sure if anybody would even know what I'm talking about. Keep the input coming Also in the poll there was one person who voted for playing in Asia. Can they please tell me where they come from? I'm very curious about Showdown in Asia, think it is starting to catch on there... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482800/#p482800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Here in Australia, we call it Swish, and I heard somewhere it's only really played in two states, none of which I reside in.I like the sport, but not enough to move to another state to play competitively. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482729/#p482729 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Everyone has their preferences. Not necesarily about orientation, some people just don't like hard contact with anything at a fast pace. Feeling comfortable going about on your own and doing the same thing in a fast or explosive way is very different. But it's interesting to read more about shodown from people who come from places where it's much more than just a game, as I said. As for a game finishing in 35 minutes, that says something... hard for me to imagine what would have to be in order for a match to last that long. I still don't think it'll catch on in North America any time soon though... the person who made it known in Canada has been trying for 30 years. There just isn't enough interest. lol URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482706/#p482706 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Hi Assault_Freak,I haven't heared about blind hockey before. Sounds even more dangerous than blind soccer Wouldn't be something for me then.I consider myself decently mobile and I have no problems walking freely and comfortably with a cane and even without one and echo-sonar. But I still rather walk around obstacles instead of confronting them while they're moving and attacking me by themselves...I actually wanted to give goalball another try but don't have time for it now that I play showdown I mean it has to be also a great sport with that playerbase and acceptance all across the board...@Zenothrax:If you somehow get the chance to try it out definitely do it! I haven't known anybody yet who wouldn't say it is fun to play a round or two even if they don't intend to play it as a competetive sport. Thats another reason why I think showdown is a really well designed sport - it is just fun on every level.@meiffert:Exactly thats what I find so interessting about showdown. Nice to see someone else sharing my thoughts about it, but there is a reason why poland yet again got gold medal on the European Top Twelve URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482698/#p482698 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? The first of all showdown is not only good reflect. Of course it is important in all disciplines, but if you want to be showdown top player, you have to very good control the ball, learn where you have to hit the ball, for example before screen board, or after the screen board. You have to know how to hit the ball with the appriopriate account.and Even if you are very strong man, and your oponent is clever, you can do nothing, because clever player will avoid ball, for example when you hit the ball along the band, your oponent can move to the next band and the ball goes out and you will loose the point. Now from top 12 players in Europe not everyone has very big power, some players are faster, others slower, a few are very good technical players and others are very strong. The tournamens are hard and you have to be durable, for example on european top 12, you have to play 11 games in 2 days, and average 1 game last 35 minutes, sometimes less, sometimes more, but when you play for example 1 hour, you have to only 1 hour to rest before next game.And the coach is very important if you want to be pro player.Now In asia play Corea and probably Chinese stars play.In Africa is a few countries but there are showdown freaks;D The governments probably don't support their players.Some countries in Africa played, but now I only know that people from Jordan start to play, maybe in a few years they will be in wordl championship.I hope showdown will be on paraolympics, maybe in 2032? who knows, but probably not;PSOrry for mistakes, I hope it is understable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482694/#p482694 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? There was never a scene here either, in Vancouver BC. The most we got was the table at sports days or out at the place where summer camps were held so we'd have access to it for a week straight. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482680/#p482680 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? I've actually never heard of showdown until now. In my state (Texas) there isn't any local showdown scene, nor is there one at the local school for the blind (that I'm aware of). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482664/#p482664 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Nope, no contest going on here! Just an interesting discussion with people who come from a place where Shodown is taken far more seriously.I don't know what the circumstances were when you tried playing Goalball, but when you get into it at a higher level it definitely is more complicated. As for being able to move freely in Shodown, that's an interesting thought. I'm definitely one of those people who likes to run around and move lots, which is why I love Goalball and martial arts. but I can definitely see how some people wouldn't be comfortable with that, especially if blindfolded. And you definitely don't have any sorted of sighted guidance in Goalball. Soccer needs that, yes, and so does Blind Hockey which is big here in Canada, which is why I'm not a fan of it. I'd love to check out Shodown in Europe one day. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482645/#p482645 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? assault_freak wrote:Right... I don't know either. It's not called Power Shodown in Canada. Also, we don't spell it with a w in sho, so it becomes shodown to distinguish it from the actual word.Very interessting to hear. As I said every information I get firsthand from other continents is totally new to me. Good idea actually, I always found the name showdown to be quite stupid and wished to distinguish it from the normal word somehow. And I don't know why it hasn't caught on here. Most people find it too simple and enjoy it as a game, but not a sport. As someone who loves both Shodown and Goalball, I would have to say Goalball is more complex.Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to be a contest what blind sport is the best. Fun is totally subjective and I don't want anybody to defend their subjectivity. I've not played goalball in almost twenty years but back then it wasn't for me.Not sure exactly what you mean by Shodown being designed better than other sports for the blind, but that's subjective. And maybe because I don't play it often enough.. but it seems simple enough to me. I'd be curious to hear why you think it's complex, other than the fact that ball is moving fast and you have to have quick reflexes.That seems to be a misconception of what shodown is really about on the highest level. There is much more about it than only reacting to a fast ball. First it is of course a technically very challenging sport. There is a huge difference between hitting the ball and really controlling it. During a match there is a plethora of different types of shots, all sorts of spots to aim towards and different approaches to defend against. That also makes it a quite tactically charged sport too. At a certain point you need to play with a plan, need the control to execute it and the courrage to leave yourself vulnerable in doing so while trying to provocate your opponent to make wrong decisions. And that it is maybe not as physically taxing as goalball doesn't mean it doesn't take everything you can give on some matches. When we hug after some duels it feels like hugging under a shower As for the fact that you can't hurt yourself compared to other sports, well, that's not just in blind sports... it's possible to hurt yourself in any sport.This one is difficult to describe, especially in a forreign language. When playing shodown you can drop all restrains and move completely freely, everything you can do is alowed and even encourraged by the rules. The best negative example for this is blind soccer where you are encourraged to move as fast and agressive as possible across the field which means you are also encourraged to put yourself at risk of dangerous collisions. While this might be thrilling for some I don't feel comfortable enough to do so. Shodown doesn't have that.And in Goalball at least, you can also play without guidance from anyone sighted... that's the whole point of the sport after all, to play with everyone blindfolded. Don't know enough about goalball. Negative example again is blind soccer where you have to have a sighted goal keeper.I do agree that it definitely is easier to pick up than sports like Goalball or Soccer. Doesn't make it better, though. Some of the most rewarding things take the longest time to pick up. I know from where you're coming here and I agree that it feels pretty rewarding when you learn to do stuff you couldn't before, even more rewarding if you thought it to be very hard. But I stand by my point that it makes shodown better that you can pick it up easily. You can have fun from the first moment starting it. That lowers the starters frustration to a minimum and encourrages beginners to stick to it.It doesn't matter for the sport on a higher skill level wether it's easy or hard to start. But it makes the sport more appealing to newbies. And thats a quality I think makes a sport design better. Not better in comparison to others but better in itself.And as I said, shodown is easy to pick up but hard to master. There are some shodown gods from finnland and poland who have been playing it for the last twenty years and it is extremely impressive what they can do - yet they are not done learning. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482628/#p482628 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? assault_freak wrote:Right... I don't know either. It's not called Power Shodown in Canada. Also, we don't spell it with a w in sho, so it becomes shodown to distinguish it from the actual word.Very interessting to hear. As I said every information I get firsthand from other continents is totally new to me. Good idea actually, I always found the name showdown to be quite stupid and wished to distinguish it from the normal word somehow. And I don't know why it hasn't caught on here. Most people find it too simple and enjoy it as a game, but not a sport. As someone who loves both Shodown and Goalball, I would have to say Goalball is more complex.Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to be a contest what blind sport is the best. Fun is totally subjective and I don't want anybody to defend their subjectivity. I've not played goalball in almost twenty years but back then it wasn't for me.Not sure exactly what you mean by Shodown being designed better than other sports for the blind, but that's subjective. And maybe because I don't play it often enough.. but it seems simple enough to me. I'd be curious to hear why you think it's complex, other than the fact that ball is moving fast and you have to have quick reflexes.That seems to be a misconception of what shodown is really about on the highest level. There is much more about it than only reacting to a fast ball. First it is of course a technically very challenging sport. There is a huge difference between hitting the ball and really controlling it. During a match there is a plethora of different types of shots, all sorts of spots to aim towards and different approaches to defend against. That also makes it a quite tactically charged sport too. At a certain point you need to play with a plan, need the control to execute it and the courrage to leave yourself vulnerable in doing so while trying to provocate your opponent to make wrong decisions. And that it is maybe not as physically taxing as goalball doesn't mean it doesn't take everything you can give on some matches. When we hug after some duels it feels like hugging under a shower As for the fact that you can't hurt yourself compared to other sports, well, that's not just in blind sports... it's possible to hurt yourself in any sport.This one is difficult to describe, especially in a forreign language. When playing shodown you can drop all restrains and move completely freely, everything you can do is alowed and even encourraged by the rules. The best negative example for this is blind soccer where you are encourraged to move as fast and agressive as possible across the field which means you are also encourraged to put yourself at risk of dangerous collisions. While this might be thrilling for some I don't feel comfortable enough to do so. Shodown doesn't have that.And in Goalball at least, you can also play without guidance from anyone sighted... that's the whole point of the sport after all, to play with everyone blindfolded. Don't know enough about goalball. Negative example again is blind soccer where you have to have a sighted goal keeper.I do agree that it definitely is easier to pick up than sports like Goalball or Soccer. Doesn't make it better, though. Some of the most rewarding things take the longest time to pick up. I know from where you're coming here and I agree that it feels pretty rewarding when you learn to do stuff you couldn't before, even more rewarding if you thought it to be very hard. But I stand by my point that it makes shodown better that you can pick it up easily. You can have fun from the first moment starting it. That lowers the starters frustration to a minimum and encourrages beginners to stick to it.It doesn't matter for the sport on a higher skill level wether it's easy or hard to start. But it makes the sport more appealing to newbies. And thats a quality I think makes a sport design better. Not better in comparison to others but better in itself.And as I said, shodown is easy to pick up but hard to master. There are some shodown gods from finnland and poland playing it for the last twenty years and it is extremely impressive what they can do - yet they are not done learning. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482628/#p482628 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? assault_freak wrote:Right... I don't know either. It's not called Power Shodown in Canada. Also, we don't spell it with a w in sho, so it becomes shodown to distinguish it from the actual word.Very interessting to hear. As I said every information I get firsthand from other continents is totally new to me. Good idea actually, I always found the name showdown to be quite stupid and wished to distinguish it from the normal word somehow. And I don't know why it hasn't caught on here. Most people find it too simple and enjoy it as a game, but not a sport. As someone who loves both Shodown and Goalball, I would have to say Goalball is more complex.Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to be a contest what blind sport is the best. Fun is totally subjective and I don't want anybody to defend their subjectivity. I've not played goalball in almost twenty years but back then it wasn't for me.Not sure exactly what you mean by Shodown being designed better than other sports for the blind, but that's subjective. And maybe because I don't play it often enough.. but it seems simple enough to me. I'd be curious to hear why you think it's complex, other than the fact that ball is moving fast and you have to have quick reflexes.That seems to be a misconception of what shodown is really about on the highest level. There is much more about it than only reacting to a fast ball. First it is of course a technically very challenging sport. There is a huge difference between hitting the ball and really controlling it. During a match there is a plethora of different types of shots, all sorts of spots to aim towards and different approaches to defend against. That also makes it a quite tactically charged sport too. At a certain point you need to play with a plan, need the controll to execute it and the courrage to leave yourself vulnerable in doing so while trying to provocate your opponent to make wrong decisions. And that it is maybe not as physically taxing as goalball doesn't mean it doesn't take everything you can give on some matches. When we hug after some duels it feels like hugging under a shower As for the fact that you can't hurt yourself compared to other sports, well, that's not just in blind sports... it's possible to hurt yourself in any sport.This one is difficult to describe, especially in a forreign language. When playing shodown you can drop all restrains and move completely freely, everything you can do is alowed and even encourraged by the rules. The best negative example for this is blind soccer where you are encourraged to move as fast and agressive as possible across the field which means you are also encourraged to put yourself at risk of dangerous collisions. While this might be thrilling for some I don't feel comfortable enough to do so. Shodown doesn't have that.And in Goalball at least, you can also play without guidance from anyone sighted... that's the whole point of the sport after all, to play with everyone blindfolded. Don't know enough about goalball. Negative example again is blind soccer where you have to have a sighted goal keeper.I do agree that it definitely is easier to pick up than sports like Goalball or Soccer. Doesn't make it better, though. Some of the most rewarding things take the longest time to pick up. I know from where you're coming here and I agree that it feels pretty rewarding when you learn to do stuff you couldn't before, even more rewarding if you thought it to be very hard. But I stand by my point that it makes shodown better that you can pick it up easily. You can have fun from the first moment starting it. That lowers the starters frustration to a minimum and encourrages beginners to stick to it.It doesn't matter for the sport on a higher skill level wether it's easy or hard to start. But it makes the sport more appealing to newbies. And thats a quality I think makes a sport design better. Not better in comparison to others but better in itself.And as I said, shodown is easy to pick up but hard to master. There are some shodown gods from finnland and poland playing it for the last twenty years and it is extremely impressive what they can do - yet they are not done learning. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482628/#p482628 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Right... I don't know either. It's not called Power Shodown in Canada. Also, we don't spell it with a w in sho, so it becomes shodown to distinguish it from the actual word. And I don't know why it hasn't caught on here. Most people find it too simple and enjoy it as a game, but not a sport. As someone who loves both Shodown and Goalball, I would have to say Goalball is more complex. Not sure exactly what you mean by Shodown being designed better than other sports for the blind, but that's subjective. And maybe because I don't play it often enough.. but it seems simple enough to me. I'd be curious to hear why you think it's complex, other than the fact that ball is moving fast and you have to have quick reflexes. As for the fact that you can't hurt yourself compared to other sports, well, that's not just in blind sports... it's possible to hurt yourself in any sport. And in Goalball at least, you can also play without guidance from anyone sighted... that's the whole point of the sport after all, to play with everyone blindfolded. I would love for it to catch on in the US in Canada, but I doubt it will., at least in the near future. I do agree that it definitely is easier to pick up than sports like Goalball or Soccer. Doesn't make it better, though. Some of the most rewarding things take the longest time to pick up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482616/#p482616 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Right... I don't know either. It's not called Power Shodown in Canada. Also, we don't spell it with a w in sho, so it becomes shodown to distinguish it from the actual word. And I don't know why it hasn't caught on here. Most people find it too simple and enjoy it as a game, but not a sport. As someone who loves both Shodown and Goalball, I would have to say Goalball is more complex. Not sure exactly what you mean by Shodown being designed better than other sports for the blind, but that's subjective. And maybe because I don't play it often enough.. but it seems simple enough to me. lol As for the fact that you can't hurt yourself compared to other sports, well, that's not just in blind sports... it's possible to hurt yourself in any sport. And in Goalball at least, you can also play without guidance from anyone sighted... that's the whole point of the sport after all, to play with everyone blindfolded. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482616/#p482616 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? I love showdown URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482575/#p482575 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Regarding the nomenclature:drums61999 wrote:Power Showdown is a game played on a table, and it includes elements of table tenis and air hockey. There is a net on either end of the table, and a board halfway down with a two-three inch gap underneath it. You serve by bouncing the ball, which is slightly larger than a pingpong ball and filled with stuff to rattle, off the side. If you get the ball in your opponent's net you get three points. If you hit the middle board you lose a point. You do wear a glove as it can get intense.Also the Wikipedia article says it is called Power-Showdown at least in the US. But as I said I don't know anything about this sports outside of europe.Interessting to hear from you guys and good to know that it is at least played on occasion. But I wonder why it didn't catch on in USA and Canada where it started its carreer.What makes Showdown so special for me is that it is a complex and challenging sport that I can play without any guidance from sighted people. It is designed the way that the players also can do everything they are allowed to do without any fears of hurting themselves. That is a big problem I have for example with blind socker.Showdown is also very easy to pick up, you can basically start playing right away. That sets it apart from stuff like blind tennis and imho even goalball. It is however not simple, not in the slightest. It has the classic ideal difficulty curve of "easy to learn, hard to master".In my opinion showdown is by far the best designed sports for blind and vi I know of. I very much hope that the efford of the chairman pays off and we will see players from all around the world very soon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482538/#p482538 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? In North America it's also called Shodown, noone calls it Power Shodown. And noone plays it much here, as others have said. I would love a local scene as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482505/#p482505 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Yeah, I'd definitely love a local showdown scene... was one of my favorite camp things to do with friends as a kid when they'd let us do our thing, we'd always head to the table for a few rounds. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482470/#p482470 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Trinidad and never heard of it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482469/#p482469 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? @BlindNinja:Yeah, there are like six open international turnaments and alternating european championships and world championships plus a top twelve invitations turnament every year, not including of course the turnaments you may have on a national level. The wc however is a bit of a joke. This year there were three lonely koreans and the whole rest from europe unfortunately. That's why I'm asking around here.The new chairman of the showdown committee of the International Blind Sports Association is actively trying to spread Showdown whider around the world I think. But I'm not in contact with the right people so I don't hear a lot about that URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482466/#p482466 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Wait wait wait... you guys have showdown tournaments? Color me jealous... lol. In Canada, it doesn't really seem to be as much of a thing, though I've never heard it called power showdown. We had a table that was always at the local summer camps, but apart from that there's nothing really organized for it, which is unfortunate because it really is quite fun although I kinda suck at it. heh Interesting though if there's a scene for it in Taiwan, since that's where part of my family's from. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482462/#p482462 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Hi Lawrence_McSu,I am asking specifically about the continents because I'd love to see Showdown becoming a sports on the paralympics. For that it needs to have a much bigger coverage outside of europe, where it's at least seemingly most common.Are you playing Showdown or have even seen it before? What's your home country then? We could probably find out what continent that's on URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482454/#p482454 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Sounds interesting. Althoug idk what continent my country is. A bit confusing URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482448/#p482448 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing?
Showdown/Power-Showdown Sports - Who's playing? Hello people,I've found a couple threats and posts about this all over the forum but nothing really serious, so I'm starting this new one.So there is this sports for the blind and VI called Showdown, or in north america Power-Showdown. It is a variant of table tennis with similarities also to airhockey. I personally think it is an impressively well designed sports for the special needs and abilities our community has and I love playing it for fun and on turnament level.I am genuinly very curious about who is playing this one in this community. Especially interessting would be the feedback from non-europeans. Showdown is one of the most popular sports for blind/vi in most of Europe by now but I don't know anything about the scene on other continents. So I've also included a poll in this threat to probably collect some data about this. Feel free to leave your vote for me to satisfy my curiosity Also don't hesitate to give your opinions about this topic. Canadians / Americans, why don't we hear anything from you even though you're basically the cradle to this amazing sports? Asians, whats about you? There have been three Koreans to the world championships this year and there will be a referee workshop I think in Taiwan soon, so it seems that there is at least some Showdown happening over there. I also heared about showdown in parts of Africa but nothing substantial.Feel free to chime in with your experiences with this wonderful sports - or with questions about it if you don't have them yet. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482424/#p482424 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
