Re: cheap cloud desktops
Re: cheap cloud desktops @Camlorn: Internet radio application, running Station Playlist Pro bundle on a Windows Server, client's audio collection is on the server as well because their residential internet is too intermittent. And there isn't an SPL or anything like it for Linux, both in terms of accessibility and good representation of how real hardware-based automation is supposed to run. That, as far as I'm concerned, is the only fully valid reason to justify a Windows Server. But I am just about done dealing with Wamp and permission inconsistencies, especially given I could roll a website (on either web server) in about 15 minutes give or take on a Linux server no problem. For what it's worth, the primary use case works decent, but ask me to run a stand-alone website and I will never roll a Wamp stack, for obvious reasons. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584856/#p584856 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: cheap cloud desktops
Re: cheap cloud desktops @2 a, thought it was obwious i wanted windows. I already have a good running ubuntu vps i don't need another one.@3 got that's freggin expensive, i knew a german friend out of the community that had a windows vps for only 6 euros a month and it also worked just fine, how ever it's stats where me to low so not using that in case you ask. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584851/#p584851 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: cheap cloud desktops
Re: cheap cloud desktops Blame Apache for that, not Linux. I don't know a single dev who uses Apache given a choice. Nginx is much simpler. And if you use a tool like certbot and you don't know what it's doing for you, yes, this kind of thing can happen. You didn't find google results because the thing you needed to google for wasn't "certbot broke my apache", it was whatever Apache was logging at startup. Also, smart sysadmins back up the server before running potentially dangerous commands.The right answer in a case like that is usually systemctl status apache to find the error, failing that you just stop it and run it in the foreground yourself to see why it won't start.You're using the thing you already said probably works worse on Windows as an example of why you don't like Linux. SO I'm not sure what the point is. Yeah, if you need to run Windows only software, Windows is probably easier, but this whole "Windows is my desktop and therefore I don't have to learn" thing is really harmful. You will have to learn. It will be worse, because when servers that are entirely GUI driven and also by Microsoft go wrong you are basically just screwed, especially as a blind person. On Linux you've got journalctl for logs, which is a bit cryptic but okay, you can deal, and once you know a couple flags you can see logs for any service in realtime. On Windows, you've got event viewer, which has a nasty habit of crashing screen readers and locking the machine just because you opened it and also you wanted a manual explaining what can be found there? Why ever would you want that? We're Microsoft, we don't believe in clear documentation. But I'm sure it feels great at first, that you can just click a thing on the desktop--to be honest, that's probably how they got most of their customers, then it was too late. Even Microsoft has sort of admitted that Windows on servers is lame. They can't ever say it but "now all our stuff works on Linux" is a pretty big tell. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584834/#p584834 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: cheap cloud desktops
Re: cheap cloud desktops Yeah, see, that's pretty much just it. I don't have a problem with using wine, the issues start when stuff just doesn't work, or you need to debug runtime errors, or whatever, because no display, and that, whatever it's called, virtual display thing you can install, just didn't work for me, or at least auto it didn't like it.Speaking of debugging? A while ago, certbot managed to totally fuck up my apache install just by me deleting my certificates because I messed them up. We're talking, the service wouldn't start, absolutely nada. Uninstalling and reinstalling both apache and certbot didn't work, nothing worked. Google wasn't particularly helpful either, ended up just having to redeploy the server because that was all I could do at that point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584832/#p584832 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: cheap cloud desktops
Re: cheap cloud desktops Linux is flat out easier on a server, unless you're running Windows-only software. If you're deciding that Windows is easier on a server, you must be doing something very strange.Linux servers and Linux desktops are different beasts entirely. The amount of resources poured into making Linux good for servers is around as much as Microsoft put into making Windows good for desktops, to put this in perspective. Linux desktop isn't so great because it gets a tiny, tiny fraction of the Linux development pie.Explain Windows permissions for a really good example of what I mean. Linux has some advanced stuff there but chown, chmod, and maybe one or two other commands are all you need to understand to do it. Windows is like "open the policy manager and dig down through these 5 control panels, but only if you have defrombulated the admin frombulator" or whatever.Couple Windows server management being a special hell where sysadmins go to die with having to access it via a screen reader with the added inherent lag and by the way it's more expensive...how about no. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584829/#p584829 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: cheap cloud desktops
Re: cheap cloud desktops You'll never be able to do TT broadcasting though, whatever that even means, even if you use something like shadow which isn't specifically designed to be a server. These are datacentres, remember. Probably you won't even have a mic.@Jack, dam, I wish I had that kind of money. Lol. They must have seriously upped their game recently though, I had a vultr at the beginning of the year back when I was hosting bloodbath, $20 / month for, if memory serves, a gigabyte of ram and a single core. Pretty shitty if you ask me, I'm not surprised that stupid thing lagged to hell and back at the best of times, windows server was probably eating about 80% of that ram all on its own.As much as I like linux, there's no denying that it's just more of a pain in the ass to deal with in general. Of course there are certain exceptions such as web hosting, which from my experience is hyper complicated on windows even just getting apache, not to mention windows firewall just, seriously needs to go away. For ever. Besides that, though, if given the choice I'd almost always rather be working with windows. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584827/#p584827 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: cheap cloud desktops
Re: cheap cloud desktops Any Windows Server offering that is cheap, as in, under $20 for a minimum package, is probably elicit anyway, so I wouldn't trust them. All vps providers who offer Windows Server add the license fee as part of your cost. I for example have a duel core cpu running at 2.4ghz, 4gb of ram, and 80GB ssd running through Vultr for $40 a month. I do wonder what Vultr's thought process is for holding onto Server 2016 though, i.e. if there's a reason for holding off other than the new licensing scheme. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584801/#p584801 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: cheap cloud desktops
Re: cheap cloud desktops Any Windows Server offering that is cheap, as in, under $20 for a minimum package, is probably elicit anyway, so I wouldn't trust them. All vps providers who offer Windows Server add the license fee as part of your cost. I for example have a duel core cpu running at 2.4ghz, 4gb of ram, and 80GB ssd running through Vultr for $40 a month. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584801/#p584801 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: cheap cloud desktops If you want Linux then LFCHost tens to have good but cheap offerings, there's Digital Ocean, etc. If you want Windows you get to pick either cheap or good, but not both. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584800/#p584800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
cheap cloud desktops
cheap cloud desktops Hi. I kind of like the idea of a computer in the cloud that i can connect to from almost every where, which i can use for tt broadcastings etc. I have tried the free vuby desktop trial but they directly suspended me for what ever reason and the support didn't help either. Also the site looks kind of unserious with crappy german, only half translated pages and stuff. Is there any canditdate you can recomment? Thanks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584782/#p584782 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
