Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! to be very honest, I didn't even know; I thought opensource meant, here you go do what ver you want with this code; like leagle cloning.Anyways, can you ban me too? I need a big long break from this drama-filled community, seriously I'm so sick and bloody tired of it!Everyone's getting bashed, clones, so much bullshit around here I just want to go and bang my head on the table. Newcomers if you see this, then don't come to the forum, especially people who want to make their games accessible; you should go find a place which will give you actual criticism, because there's drama on here 24/7. Oh yes! Clones, stealing, cracking and piracy; attacks insults and lies, only two moderators left, oh how thieves just fly! Well say see you, because I'm out so bye, and I hope that this stupid drama-filled place soon is going to die! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548821/#p548821 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! Look. All the dude wanted to do was give you guys a direct link, instead of searching through, page after page, after heading after heading, after table after table. Yes, I agree Rory could have handled it better, but all the guy tries to do is help, and yet still you guys just come down hard on him. Give him a chance. A simple, "What is ths?" Or where's the website would have been fine. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548820/#p548820 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! I think myself and others have had valid points. I'm also aware that he does get bashed quite a bit, but he's also doing things to warrant that to at least some degree or other. He also doesn't want to accept responsibility for what he's done. He doesn't know what he did wrong? I'm not buying that because multiple people have tried to explain it. It's natural to want to defend the under dog, but is his position really a good one? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548819/#p548819 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! ok. lissen.why do you bash him like it's your fucking hobby! leave him the fuck alone! you fucking blinktards!he can't post a single topic without getting bashed and trashed and holatashed! sorry, sorry, I neded a word to rime with ashh. so?fucking leave him alone you fucking cunnts!fucking ban me, jade! I don't need this wasteland of a fucking forum!fuck all of you that just can't stop! fuck drama!fuck you all. did your mother raised you that way? no! she, did, not! fucking blinktards!fuckyouallexcept dark and gamalation and nokturnus.and that's my mined. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548806/#p548806 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! you know what, this is pointless, I'm not even going to argue anymore.Look up surge. The official link is in post 1. I'm out. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548800/#p548800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! if you had looked in the post I would've said, my friend gave it to me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548801/#p548801 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! Hahaha, yeah right, they could have written their posts better. Of course. Learn how open source works. Don't defend something that really can't and should not be defended. His website isn't down in any way. Everyone pretty much said it all already, except one point. You weren't sure about the accessibility of their website so you shared it on your own? Well, only one question. How did you get it yourself? Nevermind that the first post itself needs to have more info. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548797/#p548797 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! Um, @Tunmi, people wouldn't see it on his site, because, his site is down, for the ompteen time. You can only get it through his link, so you're point's busted. Rory could have wrote post one better, and you guys could have wrote yur posts better. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548788/#p548788 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! I don't see what I did wrong. I shared a VST, happened to post it on my site, so people could get it easier, then saw my mistake and edited the link in. I admit post 18 was not smart, but @16 kind of had that coming. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548776/#p548776 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! Him trying to shrug off the responsibility. Acting like we're in the wrong for suggesting it in the first place. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548770/#p548770 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! Lord, he editted in the link. So what's the fuss about? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548765/#p548765 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! @18, uh... no. If you think that's what open-source means, you've got another thing coming to you. If you change the name and build it, and call it your own, you do not own it. That wouldn't even classify as a derivative or even a fork. That's downright theft and a direct violation of pretty much [all] open-source licenses in existence. The Apache 2.0 license defines "derivative works" as "any work, whether in Source or Object form, that is based on (or derived from) the Work and for which the editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications represent, as a whole, an original work of authorship. For the purposes of this License, Derivative Works shall not include works that remain separable from, or merely link (or bind by name) to the interfaces of, the Work and Derivative Works thereof." The GPL (2.0) defines a derivative work (it calls it a "work based on the Program") as "either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language." The GPL (3.0) defines your right to "modify" as "to copy from or adapt all or part of the work in a fashion requiring copyright permission, other than the making of an exact copy." All of these licenses that allow derivative works, however, require that you give attribution, or that you license the derivative work under the same license. (Side note: copyright law defines a derivative work as "a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a "derivative work".") There are few licenses that do not require you to give attribution in some way -- and licenses like that are used very rarely. (This project is licensed under the GPL-3.0, by the way. Under that license, propagation of the covered work, which is what you'd be doing, is very strictly controlled: "You may make, run and propagate covered works that you do not convey, without conditions so long as your license otherwise remains in force. You may convey covered works to others for the sole purpose of having them make modifications exclusively for you, or provide you with facilities for running those works, provided that you comply with the terms of this License in conveying all material for which you do not control copyright. Those thus making or running the covered works for you must do so exclusively on your behalf, under your direction and control, on terms that prohibit them from making any copies of your copyrighted material outside their relationship with you." [...] "You may not propagate or modify a covered work except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise to propagate or modify it is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License (including any patent licenses granted under the third paragraph of section 11).")So... in sum... no. You couldn't do that at all. That would terminate your right to the software (and I, or anyone else on here, would be obligated to report your violations to the authors of Surge). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548751/#p548751 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! @18, uh... no. If you think that's what open-source means, you've got another thing coming to you. If you change the name and build it, and call it your own, you do not own it. That wouldn't even classify as a derivative or even a fork. That's downright theft and a direct violation of pretty much [all] open-source licenses in existence. The Apache 2.0 license defines "derivative works" as "any work, whether in Source or Object form, that is based on (or derived from) the Work and for which the editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications represent, as a whole, an original work of authorship. For the purposes of this License, Derivative Works shall not include works that remain separable from, or merely link (or bind by name) to the interfaces of, the Work and Derivative Works thereof." The GPL (2.0) defines a derivative work (it calls it a "work based on the Program") as "either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language." The GPL (3.0) defines your right to "modify" as "to copy from or adapt all or part of the work in a fashion requiring copyright permission, other than the making of an exact copy." All of these licenses that allow derivative works, however, require that you give attribution, or that you license the derivative work under the same license. (Side note: copyright law defines a derivative work as "a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a "derivative work".") There are few licenses that do not require you to give attribution in some way -- and licenses like that are used very rarely. (This project is licensed under the GPL-3.0, by the way. Under that license, propagation of the covered work, which is what you'd be doing, is very strictly controlled: "You may make, run and propagate covered works that you do not convey, without conditions so long as your license otherwise remains in force. You may convey covered works to others for the sole purpose of having them make modifications exclusively for you, or provide you with facilities for running those works, provided that you comply with the terms of this License in conveying all material for which you do not control copyright. Those thus making or running the covered works for you must do so exclusively on your behalf, under your direction and control, on terms that prohibit them from making any copies of your copyrighted material outside their relationship with you." [...] "You may not propagate or modify a covered work except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise to propagate or modify it is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License (including any patent licenses granted under the third paragraph of section 11).") URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548751/#p548751 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! @18, uh... no. If you think that's what open-source means, you've got another thing coming to you. If you change the name and build it, and call it your own, you do not own it. That wouldn't even classify as a derivative or even a fork. That's downright theft and a direct violation of pretty much [all] open-source licenses in existence. The Apache 2.0 license defines "derivative works" as "any work, whether in Source or Object form, that is based on (or derived from) the Work and for which the editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications represent, as a whole, an original work of authorship. For the purposes of this License, Derivative Works shall not include works that remain separable from, or merely link (or bind by name) to the interfaces of, the Work and Derivative Works thereof." The GPL (2.0) defines a derivative work (it calls it a "work based on the Program") as "either the Program or any derivative work under copyright law: that is to say, a work containing the Program or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or translated into another language." The GPL (3.0) defines your right to "modify" as "to copy from or adapt all or part of the work in a fashion requiring copyright permission, other than the making of an exact copy." All of these licenses that allow derivative works, however, require that you give attribution, or that you license the derivative work under the same license. (Side note: copyright law defines a derivative work as "a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a "derivative work"." There are few licenses that do not require you to give attribution in some way -- and licenses like that are used very rarely. (This project is licensed under the GPL-3.0, by the way. Under that license, propagation of the covered work, which is what you'd be doing, is very strictly controlled: "You may make, run and propagate covered works that you do not convey, without conditions so long as your license otherwise remains in force. You may convey covered works to others for the sole purpose of having them make modifications exclusively for you, or provide you with facilities for running those works, provided that you comply with the terms of this License in conveying all material for which you do not control copyright. Those thus making or running the covered works for you must do so exclusively on your behalf, under your direction and control, on terms that prohibit them from making any copies of your copyrighted material outside their relationship with you.") URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548751/#p548751 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! I didn't claim to own it at all though, I just provided a link, and then I provided the official link afterwards so that people could know that it wasn't a clone or whatever. Could've always searched it in google, though. I'm not going to argue about it though. If you want it, either get it from me, or get it from the official source, but you can't blaim me for trying to make something easier for people. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548750/#p548750 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! So something being open source to you means that you lose all respect for the work that went into it? This is why some devs are stingy with their code, because this type of attitude is so prevalent. Can and should are very different things. I can go straight up to someone and punch them in the face, but should I?What's sad is that I'm fairly sure you understand all this but choose to ignore it, which puts you in the same camp with everyone involved in clones as far as I'm concerned. Not a good look homie. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548745/#p548745 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: my new vst discovery, surge! 16, here's the thing. Technically, since it's open source, I could literally compile it with a different name, and then boom, I *do* own it.Here's the other thing, at the time, I had forgotten what the official site was, and I was sending it to another friend anyway, so I figured I may as well use that link. It'd been like 3 hours since I got the thing and didn't know about the accessibility of the official page so I just put a direct download link. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548742/#p548742 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! rory-games wrote:edited in the official site for all those scared people.Really? What that proves is that you're too immature for the internet, so please go away and come back in a few years. g'day! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548741/#p548741 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: my new vst discovery, surge! @Rory: Fear has nothing to do with this. It's the fact that you simply took their application, and put it on your website, as if you own rights to it. Yes, you may have claimed that it is not yours. But keep in mind not everyone will refer to AudioGames.net, not everyone has vision. If they see this on your site they'll think you have ownership of the product. Which isn't respectful to the original creators. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548739/#p548739 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! edited in the official site for all those scared people.That is also nowhere near this synth's full capabilities, I have this really hard hitting bass called flangegun that I will put in the preset batch. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548733/#p548733 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! I put it on my website for ease of use, so people could just click the link and boom, direct download.To change the sound, find the patches, I think they are in programdata, although I moved them somewhere else.Ok, in more detail, go into the fx, then click plus, then click import vst patch/bank file, then find an fxp file and press it. THe sound will then change. Also gonna release a batch of presets for it soon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548731/#p548731 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! I think it's kinda shit, but I'm not musical, and it took me less than an hour. I just made it work with a midi file I found. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548723/#p548723 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: my new vst discovery, surge! @11, I like how that sounds! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548722/#p548722 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! And here is a thing I did to show what it can do. it's comprised of six tracks, which are all Surge instances. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548717/#p548717 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! Here's the (legitimate) website, I believe: https://surge-synthesizer.github.ioAnd here's the code: https://github.com/surge-synthesizer/surgeIt took me about 5 minutes to find that. Not sure why @OP didn't just post this info originally URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548708/#p548708 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! Here's the (legitimate) website, I believe: https://surge-synthesizer.github.ioAnd here's the code: https://github.com/surge-synthesizer/surge URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548708/#p548708 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! @6 his website is technicly not closed, he just put'd a closed website html page as the index, so yeah, he stil get trafic from every thing that's displade or downloaded from it, hell he eavin get a small amount of trafic if you sea his closed website index URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548703/#p548703 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: my new vst discovery, surge! i'd rather check the get hub page if their is any, well, i'm interested, so i'm heading off to google to search URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548700/#p548700 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! That, and the fact that you've linked to your website means I don't automatically get more information about it that I would have gotten on the official page, plus, you haven't even been bothered to say anything else in your original post? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548660/#p548660 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! Hmm. More traffic to his website when its closed huh? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548648/#p548648 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! My thinking exactly, and even if the license does allow for distribution rights, even if unmodified, why not link to its source. It's the respectful and ethical thing to do. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548644/#p548644 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! mmm, funny those who confuse open source with "I can take this as my own and put it on my website to drive more traffic to it but will still say that its not mine" but anyway. NO idea why I should get this. Convince me please? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548619/#p548619 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! I actually got it from github after seeing it in a youtube video.How do you change the sound URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548581/#p548581 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! Why wouldn't you link to the original source? This goes to your own site, which is a little shady if you ask me. If it truly is open source, what have you got to lose by linking us to its sourceforge, github, gitlabs or whatever else, or its homepage if it has one.Edit: Oh yeah, you never even said what it does? So it's like here's a VST, go get it, surprise it goes to my site. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548568/#p548568 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my new vst discovery, surge!
Re: my new vst discovery, surge! Why wouldn't you link to the original source? This goes to your own site, which is a little shady if you ask me. If it truly is open source, what have you got to lose by linking us to its sourceforge, github, gitlabs or whatever else, or its homepage if it has one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548568/#p548568 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
