[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB-3 and external DAC
Sorry, but none have made it down under yet. Shipping costs on 8kg don't help, but it's probably something people have to hear for themselves first. So far, everyone that has, has ordered one. There's one in a CSD2/NAC552/NAP500/DBL system which the owner is very pleased with. I don't know how much use the CDS2 gets these days! It's interesting the number of 'audiophiles' who can't quite get their head round the fact that they won't need a CDP too - but what's the point when the SB2+ is better AND more convienent? Briks work quite well in the summer I find - open all the doors and windows and listen in the garden. Who needs multi-room audio? ;-) -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Calling all audiophiles - Uncompressed or lossless?
radish Wrote: An easy mistake to make if you are not involved in the field. Not knowing everything there is to know about computers is fine, we're all experts in our own fields. But seeing as SlimServer/Squeezebox is basically just a computer all the way up to the DAC or SPDIF driver, I really wish some people would start trusting those of us who do know about this stuff :) I dont think anyone should be trusting some of the comments here at all! All this talk about zip files and bit for bit exact copies etc is all true, but its just a shame that most people seem to forget that you dont listen to bits, you listen to music. SB doesnt even output 'bits' out of its digital output - its a signal, not a perfect square wave. SPDIF is not perfect. How audible this is depends on your ears and your equipment. I would put money on people not being able to hear the difference between wav and flac on an SB, but that doesnt mean that there isnt a difference (or at least couldnt be) Having said that, I use flac, i find the main advantages over wav are the file size and the tagging. File size is not necessarily that important depending on your storage and network - but the tagging is useful, especially when it comes to compilations that need more info that you can easily represent with the path/file name. -- martintyler martintyler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2385 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Calling all audiophiles - Uncompressed or lossless?
Finally some sanity! FLAC vs WAV are mathematically identical and neither the compression or decompression processes introduce error of any sort. If this wasn't true of any lossless compression regime, we'd all know about it - and how. LL compression is used on the wire to minimise bandwidth utilisation. If it wasn't really, always, lossless every networked computer in the world would be spewing out garbage all of the time (I know some might believe that the Internet is in fact doing this...). If ZIP files didn't unzip perfectly we'd all know about it - the world would be in uproar. FLAC, ZIP etc just work in the same way that your calculator always ALWAYS says that 2+2 = 4. With server-side FLAC decompression (and accurate rips in the first place), the only things that really count towards audible reproduction quality are the DAC onwards parts of the a chain. This assumes you buy into the SB-side FLAC decode can be heard to be worse than server-side argument - which I most certainly don't. In fact, there are very good arguments that SB+reclocking DAC should sound better than any spinning disc transport, since there is a much greater chance of random timing and reading errors in real-time, one shot reading of small pits on a wobbly rotating disc with a wobbling laser and some dubious interpolation algorithms to cover problems. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Calling all audiophiles - Uncompressed or lossless?
Phil Leigh Wrote: In fact, there are very good arguments that SB+reclocking DAC should sound better than any spinning disc transport, since there is a much greater chance of random timing and reading errors in real-time, one shot reading of small pits on a wobbly rotating disc with a wobbling laser and some dubious interpolation algorithms to cover problems.Agreed - although using an SPDIF or Toslink connection between the two doesn't strengthen the argument, IMV. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Calling all audiophiles - Uncompressed or lossless?
Patrick Dixon Wrote: Agreed - although using an SPDIF or Toslink connection between the two doesn't strengthen the argument, IMV. I agree - be nice not to have that...at the same time, keeping very good electrical isolation from any noisy upstream computers etc (my sb is wired) Also I was specifically talking about CD transports (that would also have SPDIF etc) to the DAC...the best CDP's I have ever owned or heard were all single box players. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Linear Power Supply DIY Weekend Project
Tom: it's early to draw definitive conclusions on the sound. I am cooking it for 24 hours before any critical listening. However, it appears to preserve the smoothness of the midrange I was experiencing with my other power supply. More later -- crooner Squeezebox 3 with DIY Linear Power Supply Lite Audio DAC60 tube DAC Pioneer SX-1980 Vandersteen 2Ce Signature Vandersteen 2W crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe my squeezebox v3, hooked up with a ecler nuo3 mixer... greets from vienna! +---+ |Filename: mybox.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=970| +---+ -- subnet subnet's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Jon Wrote: The books on the bookshelf do a nice job of hiding all the wires ... The books may hide the wires, but the speakers hide the geek. I see a copy of The Physics of Star Trek just peeking out of the bookshelf on the right. :) .anacron -- Rob A. Rob A.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Calling all audiophiles - Uncompressed or lossless?
Phil Leigh Wrote: With server-side FLAC decompression (and accurate rips in the first place), the only things that really count towards audible reproduction quality are the DAC onwards parts of the a chain. This is a nitpick (and doesn't really have to do with the original topic - FLAC versus WAV), but I don't think this is quite correct. I agree the FLAC should decode perfectly (almost always) in the sense that it produces the correct string of bits. However problems begin the moment those bits are converted into an isynchronous signal - for example because the clock isn't perfect, and because the output isn't a perfect square wave. That all occurs before the DAC. It does seem to be true that the SB does a better job with this than all but very expensive CD transports. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone using a Shigaraki or Progession DAC?
Just got the NOS DAC back from Derek today. I thought I'd put a couple of pics of the DAC board and a side-by-side with the SB3. Even though I'm not a DIYer (with electronics), I think it's obvious how nicely designed the DAC board is. +---+ |Filename: sb3_dac.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=973| +---+ -- ezkcdude To be determined... ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=16741 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320 kbps ogg file not playing correctly through slimserver
I got no response in one of the other forums, so I will try here. Hello I have a new install of slimserver and, by-in-large, everthing is working as expected and it is great software ! My local collection of music files is made up of both .mp3 and .ogg files. Some of the best I have is saved at a nominal 320 kbps .ogg files. As I understand my setup, lame is being used to convert this file to a .mp3 stream on-the-fly as it is being served. I can change it to a lower bit rate, for example, 128 kbps, for better streaming over the internet. I can also control the lame setting from 0 (slowest, best quality) to 9 (fastest, lowest quality). The problem is that when I play the served files locally, I get just noise ! However, if I play .mp3 files that need no conversion, I get good sound. I suspect slow processor as a possible cause. My machine is a 1 GHz AMD Athlon. I am running Linux/Ubuntu/Breezy. Any help appreciated. -- freelsjd freelsjd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4344 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21747 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Calling all audiophiles - Uncompressed or lossless?
Cleve Wrote: The nice thing about the McIntosh - there's not much of a learning curve involved - you just put the CD into it - push a button on the remote, and the entire CD is automatically encoded into FLAC in something like 6-7 minutes. And the McIntosh also interfaces with CD changers - so one can effortlessly copy multiple CDs at a time into FLAC. I'm not familiar with the software its using but I doubt its as good as EAC for making perfect rips. Average consumers want the CDs to rip as fast as possible. You only rip once but you play it many times so the speed of the rip is not as important as an error-free rip. If its ripping in 6-7 minutes I doubt its doing the equivalent of a secure mode rip in EAC. I prefer open systems myself to ensure the highest quality possible even if the learning curve is steeper. It does cause me to wonder about the market for this unit as the average consumer won't pay the premium for a McIntosh and audiophile consumers are more savvy about how to create high quality rips (I assume) and would prefer an open storage solution rather than being constrained by the included hard drive capacity. Then there's the backup issue... -- zooropa320 zooropa320's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3420 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
Bedroom system: Sonic Impact Super-T Totem Arro's Audioquest Viper ICs Acoustic Research 12ga speaker cables may try out some Speltz Anti-cables or Guerilla cables soon -- joncourage joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Here's a photo of my brother's system (from top: SB2+ PLAYER, PSU, SERVER, AMP), and a close up of the MiniITX server: http://www.at-view.co.uk/images/Systems/MD_system.jpg http://www.at-view.co.uk/images/Systems/MD_server.jpg BTW, Speakers (not pictured) are Linn Keilidh. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
Hi All I am fully aware how broad this question is...! In a nutshell, I have 15 feet runs that I need to replace. I'm not looking to spend much over $150. Currently driving some mid range B W's. No idea about which manufactures I should be looking at for this price range. Any hints welcomed. Thanks -- sebage sebage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2617 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
I use Kimber Kable 4TC that I am very satisfied with. I am unsure if it will fit your budget, though. Tom -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Have I Reached the Maximum?
I have 2271 albums with 51014 tracks. I've noticed that the last few CDs I have added don't show up in the database. When I browse music folder I see the folder but there are no tracks. The tracks are there and play fine through Foobar 2000. I have tried blowing away the database and rescanning but with no results. Any Ideas? Thanks -- demoleon demoleon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=168 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21756 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Have I Reached the Maximum?
There is no designed-in maximum number of tracks or albums, so there should be no limit. I'm not sure why your system isn't scanning some music, but it's not a limit or maximum like that. What operating system are you using? What version of the server? What happens? Do you get a message? does the server crash? Does it play other songs? If you use browse new music can it find the 'missing' songs? -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21756 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
I like the look of Kimber, the TC range is abit out of my price range for this project. Anyone had experience with the VS range? ezkcdude I'll look out for your opinion in the next week. I'm currently Biwiring using Cable Talk runs BTW. I'm taking the step back to regular wiring do to new cosmetic requirements (!). -- sebage sebage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2617 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
sebage Wrote: I like the look of Kimber, the TC range is abit out of my price range for this project. Anyone had experience with the VS range? ezkcdude I'll look out for your opinion in the next week. I'm currently Biwiring using Cable Talk runs BTW. I'm taking the step back to regular wiring do to new cosmetic requirements (!). I haven't listened to the VS range myself, so I cannot comment on them. I also used biwring before, but with the 4TC, that isn't necessary any more. I wouldn't mind trying bi-amping, though... -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
I've also been considering the speltz anti-cable, and also the Guerilla cable and Signal Ultra for a bedroom system. The anti-cable fits your budget and the signal is pretty close, the guerilla a bit more. someone just sold the signal ultra bi-wire (shotgun) 12' on a'gon for $95. -- joncourage joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
joncourage Wrote: I've also been considering the speltz anti-cable, and also the Guerilla cable and Signal Ultra for a bedroom system. The anti-cable fits your budget and the signal is pretty close, the guerilla a bit more. someone just sold the signal ultra bi-wire (shotgun) 12' on a'gon for $95. I just googled on info on the speltz anti-cable (hadn't heard of them before), and I like the philosophy. Have any of you compared them to the Kimber 4TC ? Tom -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
I have had some Nordost stuff, QED Silver Annivery, VDH Clearwater and now have twin runs of DNM Reson which is great, very transparent, detailed and not lacking in bass. It's very thin solid core and you must use the DNM solder plugs to get the best contact. £7 a metre, £4 for plugs it's a bargain. BTW, Speakers are Sonus Faber Grand Pianos and a Musical Fidelity A5 amp, over 3 grands worth of kit. -- Robster So much music, so little time.. Robster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2129 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
here's one worth considering http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?cablspkr1146524168 -- joncourage joncourage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
Could give Cat5 a go: http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
I use regular 15 gauge extension cord cable from Home Depot. Yes! many audiophiles swear by them and were even reviewed by TAS, I believe. The cable is orange. I biwire my Vandies with it. Sounds great and cheap! -- crooner Squeezebox 3 with DIY Linear Power Supply Lite Audio DAC60 tube DAC Pioneer SX-1980 Vandersteen 2Ce Signature Vandersteen 2W crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Have I Reached the Maximum?
Try MySQL instead of SQLite? See http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?MySQL Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21756 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
I was considering the anti-cables but I have longer runs which made them cost prohibitive. I just purchased from bluejeanscable.com and am happy with the value/price for my needs. They just arrived today so can't comment on how they sound yet. -- zooropa320 zooropa320's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3420 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Calling all audiophiles - Uncompressed or lossless?
And it's not like using EAC for secure rips is a constant struggle. Spend 30 minutes setting it up right, and you're done. This McIntosh may not be able to do it at all. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Have I Reached the Maximum?
I am using windows XP Using server version 6.2.2 No messages or crashes. Just missing tracks the browse new music does not have the songs either they are no deeper in a directory structure than any other albums -- demoleon demoleon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=168 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21756 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB-3 and external DAC
That is right my study system is doing duty at friends place who is in a separation. To hear music in the study I just crank up the main system. Amazing how the briks fill the house with music. I think the SB is quite revolutionary, not just the way we play cds but also the way we listen to the radio and the zillions of podcasts out on the net. I think commercial radio will suffer but it seems to be a medium made for the abc and bbc. For me the hard part is to see computer components in the same class as hifi components. While the 20yo 42.5/110 is still doing duty. I literally have 3 boxes full of obsolete computer bits that are only 5 years old. Shipping 8kg is not such a big deal. Most of us here have shipped in used gear from Europe, the UK or SE Asia. A friend brought over a home made hydra yesterday (he is a sparkie). A quick listen was very interesting. It seems to enhance the Naim sound. The band is really in your face and every note is slammed home by Mike Tyson. I'll have to do some proper cable dressing tonight and see if I can tame it a bit. -- gusi gusi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Calling all audiophiles - Uncompressed or lossless?
opaqueice Wrote: I agree the FLAC should decode perfectly (almost always) No - always. However problems begin the moment those bits are converted into an isynchronous signal - for example because the clock isn't perfect, and because the output isn't a perfect square wave. That all occurs before the DAC. Let's see here. We're talking about transmitting data at a rate of something like 1.4mbit/s. That's nothing compared to what goes on inside you computer when it's sitting there doing nothing more than displaying a screensaver (for example, the HyperTransport bus in my PC runs at something like 87 gigabit/s without loss). If the Slim engineers can't get that speed working reliably then they should hang up their soldering irons. Not to mention the fact that the same issues (or non-issues) exist whether FLAC or WAV is being played, and in any device manipulating digital data - such as a CDP. If there _is_ a risk of pre-DAC data corruption, it exists equally in every transport. It does seem to be true that the SB does a better job with this than all but very expensive CD transports. The difference is in the non-solid state areas. A CDP has the tough job of reading the disc realiably. Compared to that, getting the bits to the DAC is trivial. The SB already has the (assumedly perfect) bitstream, hence why it can do such a good job. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Calling all audiophiles - Uncompressed or lossless?
Cleve Wrote: Now, now. You left out the part of my original post where I stated Let me play Devil's Advocate. My concern was not with the UI, or the industrial design or anything else. I'm sure the McIntosh is very easy and convenient to use, and I imagine it sounds pretty decent. My main objection was your assertion that: the SB3 is $300 - and I'm using an old Gateway Athlon 650 as my ripper/encoder with freeware doing the tasks. The MS300 couldn't possibly make worse FLAC copies - in all likelyhood, superior. That's where you're equating cost with quality, and it's utterly wrong. Most of the best software I've ever used has been free, and much of the worst very expensive. While it might be really easy to rip a CD on this unit that's a worthless convenience if the resulting file sucks, and they don't give you any way to verify it doesn't. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21700 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 uncontrolled full scale output bug - still a concern?
I recently bought an SB3. It is connected to an Adcom stereo preamp, then to a Parasound amp. The sound is very good. I expect it would be even better with the SB3 going directly to the amp, but noticed a post about a bug that can result in the SB3 sending full scale output, which could possibly blow the amp or the speakers (especially if the signal is clipped either from the SB3 or from the amp). The Slimdevices CEO even warned that connecting directly to the amp is not recommended. Is that bug/issue still a concern? -- dmsmit1 dmsmit1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21772 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 uncontrolled full scale output bug - still a concern?
dmsmit1 Wrote: I recently bought an SB3. It is connected to an Adcom stereo preamp, then to a Parasound amp. The sound is very good. I expect it would be even better with the SB3 going directly to the amp, but noticed a post about a bug that can result in the SB3 sending full scale output, which could possibly blow the amp or the speakers (especially if the signal is clipped either from the SB3 or from the amp). The Slimdevices CEO even warned that connecting directly to the amp is not recommended. Is that bug/issue still a concern? Dmsmit1 I am thinking of doing exactly the same thing, connecting the analog output directly into a power amp! Your message did make me worry a little bit, are you saying that even if we play the SB3 at low volume, signal clipping will still cause the SB3 to send full output into the amp? Can you point me to the message where this bug is being discussed? Sorry I wasn't able to help you instead I'm asking for help! I'm an absolute newbie in this. Thanks barry Thanks barry -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21772 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 uncontrolled full scale output bug - still a concern?
I recently bought the A23, after 22+ years using a Haffler 220. Very nice sound. The A23 has adjustable input levels - knobs on the back, separate for left and right, so not useful as volume controls (use the Adcom for that). Need an accurate meter if you want to ensure L/R balance. Turning down the input on the A23 may provide enough protection from a malfunctioning SB3 connected directly to it, the problem is how to determine the right setting on the amp. If too low, then the full potential of the amp will not be realized, when desired. If too high, the amp or more likely the speakers (tweeters) could be damaged. -- dmsmit1 dmsmit1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21772 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 uncontrolled full scale output bug - still a concern?
search for white noise or white noise death in the general forum. I think it can still happen in rare cases, and some kind of attenuator should be used. -Dan -- dwc dwc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1892 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21772 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
