Re: [Aus-soaring] Easements in the air
On 25/03/2012, at 6:42 AM, Tim Shirley wrote: A smile and a friendly explanation goes a long way, I find. And so, I expect, would an up front apology and offer to pay for damage, if it was necessary. I can't imagine the need for police, or lawyers. Or documents in the glove box. Like Tim, my outlanding experiences have been uniformly positive. But in a conservative self centric society, the landowner (now often a 'lifestyler' rather than farmer, can be more demanding; anbd some aviators are also not helpful. Locally, a commercial balloon operator scared horses into fences landing; the retrieve drove past the home to get the rig; this left it to me - the local sport airfield owner - to apologise and carry the illwill. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
I'm not sure what Terry's neighbour was growing... or perhaps he is the president of the local nudist club... OK, I had better explain the circumstances of the question regarding the right to fly over someone's property ... Firstly, he wasn't a neighbour, but a friend who lived about 20 km away. It transpires that he had been called over by a hobby farmer friend a few kilometres away to assist him/her to restrain and treat a horse which had injured itself against a fence after apparently being spooked by a glider flying overhead, allegedly quite low. Both horse and owner were seriously upset. Hence the question as to what right they (the pilot and his glider) had to be there.I thought back to the day in question; it was during our then annual regatta and one of the tasks would have been over that area. It seemed that a pilot had apparently thermalled away from a low point and more potential trouble than he could ever have known about at the time. So, yes, the question may be a no-brainer from our point of view, but if an investigative reporter from one of the current affair slush shows got hold of a situation like this, it's not hard to see how we could be painted. A letter of complaint in the local paper would have been equally damaging to our how the public sees us, because they won't necessarily see things in the way that we do. My friend's perceptions of gliders in paddocks had been pre-conditioned somewhat by an somewhat earlier outlanding in one of his paddocks in a standing crop where the retrieve crew drove in and got the aircraft - he didn't find out about it until a few days later when he discovered the damage and started asking questions. Yes, someone had seen a glider in there a few days earlier. So quite naturally, he complained to the first glider pilot he knows. And you've probably worked out who that is So thanks Bernie for digging out Paul Matthew's legal opinion. It does clarify the situation up to a point. However if it ever got to the point of calling in the police, you can imagine what happens in any subsequent outlanding in that area.I can only assert at this point that it's essential for us to be absolutely scrupulous in how we conduct ourselves after landing out, and during the subsequent retrieval. None of these possible complications should in anyway defer a decision to give it away and make a safe circuit and landing in a suitable paddock when it becomes necessary. But please be aware of how the owners might be feeling about your presence, and be prepared to go the distance in accommodating whatever you encounter in their reactions.Times have changed in the country and people are much more aware of and more sensitive about legal matters than they once used to be. That's why I see a few paddock gates with locks on them these days. Charm and diplomacy are valuable things to pack in your outlanding kit. Most people are totally reasonable, some are even honoured that you've chosen their paddock. But our sport is on display and it's important to paint it in the best possible context, because the next pilot's reception will be preconditioned by how you managed your visit. And Rob, you'll be relived to know that the farmer concerned, like myself, has retired from the land. He's gone to live in the suburbs just a few kilometres downwind from the threshold of the 23 runway at Gawler. Regards, TN ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Easements in the air
Title: Untitled Document I have offered them an AEF at my expense. PeterS On 25/03/2012 7:12 AM, Tim Shirley wrote: I'm not sure what Terry's neighbour was growing... or perhaps he is the president of the local nudist club... Perhaps some perspective is needed. Outlandings are a normal part of our sport and almost all go well. Expecting the worst is not a good way to build confidence. In 35 years of X/C gliding I have had my share or outlandings, and I've done a lot of retrieves. I've heard stories about farmers from hell, and I'm sure they exist, but I've never actually met one. The usual reactions I get are curiosity, concern, and the best of cooperation and assistance. I've had beer, food, lifts, wing runners, help with derigging, hospitality - and I've met some terrific people. Even the mythical "farmers daughter" on one occasion (but perhaps I was dreaming). I've never damaged anything. Not me, not my glider, no property, no animals. Yes, maybe next time it will happen. I should not speak too soon. A smile and a friendly explanation goes a long way, I find. And so, I expect, would an up front apology and offer to pay for damage, if it was necessary. I can't imagine the need for police, or lawyers. Or documents in the glove box. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c' mezzo il mare On 24 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
Horsies and their owners are a real problem for outlandings. Around the Mt Tambourine area in QLD, you are warned never ever to land in anything other than a designated outlanding area. In the UK they suggest that if a paddock has horses in it and the next best option is flying into the side of a mountain, that you take the mountain option since there's a good chance that you or your heirs won't be able to afford the alternative. Overflying is another issue altogether. Surely, if you are flying at a legal height (whatever that might be), there is little that the horsie or owner can do about it? Isn't there some figure of 300' AGL somewhere? Back in the early days of trikes and ultralights, we were limited to something less than 300' which meant flying at something like 9 most of the time which was briefly fun from the cockpit side but humans and stock didn't like it at all. In fact I have been roundly told off by a horse owner (sister) for just rigging my glider within sight of a horse in case it spooked them. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
Free range pigs and ostriches are a problem as well. Tom From: Terry Neumann tfneum...@internode.on.net To: Aus Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, 25 March 2012 7:35 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ... I'm not sure what Terry's neighbour was growing... or perhaps he is the president of the local nudist club... OK, I had better explain the circumstances of the question regarding the right to fly over someone's property ... Firstly, he wasn't a neighbour, but a friend who lived about 20 km away. It transpires that he had been called over by a hobby farmer friend a few kilometres away to assist him/her to restrain and treat a horse which had injured itself against a fence after apparently being spooked by a glider flying overhead, allegedly quite low. Both horse and owner were seriously upset. Hence the question as to what right they (the pilot and his glider) had to be there. I thought back to the day in question; it was during our then annual regatta and one of the tasks would have been over that area. It seemed that a pilot had apparently thermalled away from a low point and more potential trouble than he could ever have known about at the time. So, yes, the question may be a no-brainer from our point of view, but if an investigative reporter from one of the current affair slush shows got hold of a situation like this, it's not hard to see how we could be painted. A letter of complaint in the local paper would have been equally damaging to our how the public sees us, because they won't necessarily see things in the way that we do. My friend's perceptions of gliders in paddocks had been pre-conditioned somewhat by an somewhat earlier outlanding in one of his paddocks in a standing crop where the retrieve crew drove in and got the aircraft - he didn't find out about it until a few days later when he discovered the damage and started asking questions. Yes, someone had seen a glider in there a few days earlier. So quite naturally, he complained to the first glider pilot he knows. And you've probably worked out who that is So thanks Bernie for digging out Paul Matthew's legal opinion. It does clarify the situation up to a point. However if it ever got to the point of calling in the police, you can imagine what happens in any subsequent outlanding in that area. I can only assert at this point that it's essential for us to be absolutely scrupulous in how we conduct ourselves after landing out, and during the subsequent retrieval. None of these possible complications should in anyway defer a decision to give it away and make a safe circuit and landing in a suitable paddock when it becomes necessary. But please be aware of how the owners might be feeling about your presence, and be prepared to go the distance in accommodating whatever you encounter in their reactions. Times have changed in the country and people are much more aware of and more sensitive about legal matters than they once used to be. That's why I see a few paddock gates with locks on them these days. Charm and diplomacy are valuable things to pack in your outlanding kit. Most people are totally reasonable, some are even honoured that you've chosen their paddock. But our sport is on display and it's important to paint it in the best possible context, because the next pilot's reception will be preconditioned by how you managed your visit. And Rob, you'll be relived to know that the farmer concerned, like myself, has retired from the land. He's gone to live in the suburbs just a few kilometres downwind from the threshold of the 23 runway at Gawler. Regards, TN ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
Location, location - The Dublin Gliding Club is over the fence from the Irish National Equestrian Center. The club enforced a rule of never overflying the Equestrian Center if there was an event on and not to use airbrakes in the vicinity of horses. Made for interesting approaches when it was a southerly. Ron On 26/03/2012, at 11:16 AM, DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com wrote: Horsies and their owners are a real problem for outlandings. Around the Mt Tambourine area in QLD, you are warned never ever to land in anything other than a designated outlanding area. In the UK they suggest that if a paddock has horses in it and the next best option is flying into the side of a mountain, that you take the mountain option since there's a good chance that you or your heirs won't be able to afford the alternative. Overflying is another issue altogether. Surely, if you are flying at a legal height (whatever that might be), there is little that the horsie or owner can do about it? Isn't there some figure of 300' AGL somewhere? Back in the early days of trikes and ultralights, we were limited to something less than 300' which meant flying at something like 9 most of the time which was briefly fun from the cockpit side but humans and stock didn't like it at all. In fact I have been roundly told off by a horse owner (sister) for just rigging my glider within sight of a horse in case it spooked them. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
Most dogs, including mine, are absolutely terrified by hot air balloons. has that ever been raised as an argument to stop them flying over the Melbourne suburbia? Regards Jarek tom claffey to...@yahoo.com wrote: Free range pigs and ostriches are a problem as well. Tom From: Terry Neumann tfneum...@internode.on.net To: Aus Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, 25 March 2012 7:35 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ... I'm not sure what Terry's neighbour was growing... or perhaps he is the president of the local nudist club... OK, I had better explain the circumstances of the question regarding the right to fly over someone's property ... Firstly, he wasn't a neighbour, but a friend who lived about 20 km away.   It transpires that he had been called over by a hobby farmer friend a few kilometres away to assist him/her to restrain and treat a horse which had injured itself against a fence after apparently being spooked by a glider flying overhead, allegedly quite low. Both horse and owner were seriously upset.  Hence the question as to what right they (the pilot and his glider) had to be there.   I thought back to the day in question; it was during our then annual regatta and one of the tasks would have been over that area. It seemed that a pilot had apparently thermalled away from a low point and more potential trouble than he could ever have known about at the time.  So, yes, the question may be a no-brainer from our point of view, but if an investigative reporter from one of the current affair slush shows got hold of a situation like this, it's not hard to see how we could be painted.  A letter of complaint in the local paper would have been equally damaging to our how the public sees us, because they won't necessarily see things in the way that we do. My friend's perceptions of gliders in paddocks had been pre-conditioned somewhat by an somewhat earlier outlanding in one of his paddocks in a standing crop where the retrieve crew drove in and got the aircraft - he didn't find out about it until a few days later when he discovered the damage and started asking questions.  Yes, someone had seen a glider in there a few days earlier. So quite naturally, he complained to the first glider pilot he knows.  And you've probably worked out who that is     So thanks Bernie for digging out Paul Matthew's legal opinion.  It does clarify the situation up to a point.  However if it ever got to the point of calling in the police, you can imagine what happens in any subsequent outlanding in that area.   I can only assert at this point that it's essential for us to be absolutely scrupulous in how we conduct ourselves after landing out, and during the subsequent retrieval.  None of these possible complications should in anyway defer a decision to give it away and make a safe circuit and landing in a suitable paddock when it becomes necessary.  But please be aware of how the owners might be feeling about your presence, and be prepared to go the distance in accommodating whatever you encounter in their reactions.   Times have changed in the country and people are much more aware of and more sensitive about legal matters than they once used to be.  That's why I see a few paddock gates with locks on them these days. Charm and diplomacy are valuable things to pack in your outlanding kit.  Most people are totally reasonable, some are even honoured that you've chosen their paddock.  But our sport is on display and it's important to paint it in the best possible context, because the next pilot's reception will be preconditioned by how you managed your visit.        And Rob, you'll be relived to know that the farmer concerned, like myself, has retired from the land.  He's gone to live in the suburbs just a few kilometres downwind from the threshold of the 23 runway at Gawler. Regards, TN ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
Hi; I image that in this case we would be talking about torts. A pilot does not have to be in violation of any la or regulation to be subject to a tort (just ask anybody in business). The fact that a glider is in the air is irrelevant. On Mon, 26 Mar 2012, DMcD wrote: Horsies and their owners are a real problem for outlandings. Around the Mt Tambourine area in QLD, you are warned never ever to land in anything other than a designated outlanding area. In the UK they suggest that if a paddock has horses in it and the next best option is flying into the side of a mountain, that you take the mountain option since there's a good chance that you or your heirs won't be able to afford the alternative. Overflying is another issue altogether. Surely, if you are flying at a legal height (whatever that might be), there is little that the horsie or owner can do about it? Isn't there some figure of 300' AGL somewhere? Back in the early days of trikes and ultralights, we were limited to something less than 300' which meant flying at something like 9 most of the time which was briefly fun from the cockpit side but humans and stock didn't like it at all. In fact I have been roundly told off by a horse owner (sister) for just rigging my glider within sight of a horse in case it spooked them. D Cheers -- Peter F Bradshaw: http://www.exadios.com (public keys avaliable there). Personal site: http://personal.exadios.com I love truth, and the way the government still uses it occasionally to keep us guessing. - Sam Kekovich. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
All of this is a matter of conditioning for the horses. I used to take my horse gliding. Not kidding. He was great for clearing the sheep off the runway. He would stand at the launch point and watch the gliders launch and land.Then again, this horse lived in a paddock at North Glenelg alongside the main runway at Adelaide Airport. So gliders - pfffttt he'd seen bigger. Seriously though as a horse person as well as a glider person it annoys me that many horse people don't take the time to properly train and condition their horses to anything and spend their lives creeping around their horses in case something sets them off. Better to make the horse braver and smarter. See www.parellinaturalhorsetraining.com . Pat Parelli is a really nice guy and very sensible - and I owe him a flight in a glider. _Cath On 26/03/2012, at 12:06 PM, Ron Fox wrote: Location, location - The Dublin Gliding Club is over the fence from the Irish National Equestrian Center. The club enforced a rule of never overflying the Equestrian Center if there was an event on and not to use airbrakes in the vicinity of horses. Made for interesting approaches when it was a southerly. Ron On 26/03/2012, at 11:16 AM, DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com wrote: Horsies and their owners are a real problem for outlandings. Around the Mt Tambourine area in QLD, you are warned never ever to land in anything other than a designated outlanding area. In the UK they suggest that if a paddock has horses in it and the next best option is flying into the side of a mountain, that you take the mountain option since there's a good chance that you or your heirs won't be able to afford the alternative. Overflying is another issue altogether. Surely, if you are flying at a legal height (whatever that might be), there is little that the horsie or owner can do about it? Isn't there some figure of 300' AGL somewhere? Back in the early days of trikes and ultralights, we were limited to something less than 300' which meant flying at something like 9 most of the time which was briefly fun from the cockpit side but humans and stock didn't like it at all. In fact I have been roundly told off by a horse owner (sister) for just rigging my glider within sight of a horse in case it spooked them. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] OUDIE UPDATE
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Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
Well said Cath, too many horse owners take a hands off approach re conditioning, they are very smart and can be conditioned to all manner of loud noises, crowds, movements - even riots and police roles, noisy mines and quarries. Horses also get bored - they like activity and stimulation. gliderdrew email sent from my iPad On 26/03/2012, at 13:04, Catherine Conway con...@agile.com.au wrote: All of this is a matter of conditioning for the horses. I used to take my horse gliding. Not kidding. He was great for clearing the sheep off the runway. He would stand at the launch point and watch the gliders launch and land.Then again, this horse lived in a paddock at North Glenelg alongside the main runway at Adelaide Airport. So gliders - pfffttt he'd seen bigger. Seriously though as a horse person as well as a glider person it annoys me that many horse people don't take the time to properly train and condition their horses to anything and spend their lives creeping around their horses in case something sets them off. Better to make the horse braver and smarter. See www.parellinaturalhorsetraining.com . Pat Parelli is a really nice guy and very sensible - and I owe him a flight in a glider. _Cath On 26/03/2012, at 12:06 PM, Ron Fox wrote: Location, location - The Dublin Gliding Club is over the fence from the Irish National Equestrian Center. The club enforced a rule of never overflying the Equestrian Center if there was an event on and not to use airbrakes in the vicinity of horses. Made for interesting approaches when it was a southerly. Ron On 26/03/2012, at 11:16 AM, DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com wrote: Horsies and their owners are a real problem for outlandings. Around the Mt Tambourine area in QLD, you are warned never ever to land in anything other than a designated outlanding area. In the UK they suggest that if a paddock has horses in it and the next best option is flying into the side of a mountain, that you take the mountain option since there's a good chance that you or your heirs won't be able to afford the alternative. Overflying is another issue altogether. Surely, if you are flying at a legal height (whatever that might be), there is little that the horsie or owner can do about it? Isn't there some figure of 300' AGL somewhere? Back in the early days of trikes and ultralights, we were limited to something less than 300' which meant flying at something like 9 most of the time which was briefly fun from the cockpit side but humans and stock didn't like it at all. In fact I have been roundly told off by a horse owner (sister) for just rigging my glider within sight of a horse in case it spooked them. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
A glider pilot and balloonist friend of mine back in Germany drove his hot air ballon not too high across a farm with their prized stud pig in the yard. When he lit the burner, the pig did a flick roll and died of a hard attack. It cost my friend dearly. Rgds - Rolf From: jar...@optusnet.com.au To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:36:58 +1100 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ... Most dogs, including mine, are absolutely terrified by hot air balloons. has that ever been raised as an argument to stop them flying over the Melbourne suburbia? Regards Jarek tom claffey to...@yahoo.com wrote: Free range pigs and ostriches are a problem as well. Tom From: Terry Neumann tfneum...@internode.on.net To: Aus Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, 25 March 2012 7:35 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ... I'm not sure what Terry's neighbour was growing... or perhaps he is the president of the local nudist club... OK, I had better explain the circumstances of the question regarding the right to fly over someone's property ... Firstly, he wasn't a neighbour, but a friend who lived about 20 km away.It transpires that he had been called over by a hobby farmer friend a few kilometres away to assist him/her to restrain and treat a horse which had injured itself against a fence after apparently being spooked by a glider flying overhead, allegedly quite low. Both horse and owner were seriously upset. Hence the question as to what right they (the pilot and his glider) had to be there.I thought back to the day in question; it was during our then annual regatta and one of the tasks would have been over that area. It seemed that a pilot had apparently thermalled away from a low point and more potential trouble than he could ever have known about at the time. So, yes, the question may be a no-brainer from our point of view, but if an investigative reporter from one of the current affair slush shows got hold of a situation like this, it's not hard to see how we could be painted. A letter of complaint in the local paper would have been equally damaging to our how the public sees us, because they won't necessarily see things in the way that we do. My friend's perceptions of gliders in paddocks had been pre-conditioned somewhat by an somewhat earlier outlanding in one of his paddocks in a standing crop where the retrieve crew drove in and got the aircraft - he didn't find out about it until a few days later when he discovered the damage and started asking questions. Yes, someone had seen a glider in there a few days earlier. So quite naturally, he complained to the first glider pilot he knows. And you've probably worked out who that is So thanks Bernie for digging out Paul Matthew's legal opinion. It does clarify the situation up to a point. However if it ever got to the point of calling in the police, you can imagine what happens in any subsequent outlanding in that area.I can only assert at this point that it's essential for us to be absolutely scrupulous in how we conduct ourselves after landing out, and during the subsequent retrieval. None of these possible complications should in anyway defer a decision to give it away and make a safe circuit and landing in a suitable paddock when it becomes necessary. But please be aware of how the owners might be feeling about your presence, and be prepared to go the distance in accommodating whatever you encounter in their reactions.Times have changed in the country and people are much more aware of and more sensitive about legal matters than they once used to be. That's why I see a few paddock gates with locks on them these days. Charm and diplomacy are valuable things to pack in your outlanding kit. Most people are totally reasonable, some are even honoured that you've chosen their paddock. But our sport is on display and it's important to paint it in the best possible context, because the next pilot's reception will be preconditioned by how you managed your visit. And Rob, you'll be relived to know that the farmer concerned, like myself, has retired from the land. He's gone to live in the suburbs just a few kilometres downwind from the threshold of the 23 runway at Gawler. Regards, TN ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Regards Jarek ___
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 01:20:19PM +1100, rolf a. buelter wrote: A glider pilot and balloonist friend of mine back in Germany drove his hot air ballon not too high across a farm with their prized stud pig in the yard. When he lit the burner, the pig did a flick roll and died of a hard attack. It cost my friend dearly. Rgds - Rolf It must have been very convenient to have a burner handy for the resulting barbecue. - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
Forgive my spelling, it was obviously a heart attack, and yes, it proved pigs can fly, albeit briefly only. Rolf Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:55:18 +1030 From: new...@atdot.dotat.org To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ... On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 01:20:19PM +1100, rolf a. buelter wrote: A glider pilot and balloonist friend of mine back in Germany drove his hot air ballon not too high across a farm with their prized stud pig in the yard. When he lit the burner, the pig did a flick roll and died of a hard attack. It cost my friend dearly. Rgds - Rolf It must have been very convenient to have a burner handy for the resulting barbecue. - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
And it would be a worry if a stud died of a hard attack :-) BTW my daughters farrier disliked most horsey people. Good business though for him. - Original Message - From: rolf a. buelter To: aus soaring Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ... Forgive my spelling, it was obviously a heart attack, and yes, it proved pigs can fly, albeit briefly only. Rolf Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:55:18 +1030 From: new...@atdot.dotat.org To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ... On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 01:20:19PM +1100, rolf a. buelter wrote: A glider pilot and balloonist friend of mine back in Germany drove his hot air ballon not too high across a farm with their prized stud pig in the yard. When he lit the burner, the pig did a flick roll and died of a hard attack. It cost my friend dearly. Rgds - Rolf It must have been very convenient to have a burner handy for the resulting barbecue. - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Riding around in a header
I remember when I did my Silver C distance in an ES59 Arrow (GNF) many moons ago. The outlanding paddock (a lovely stubble paddock, flat as a billiard table) was right next to town of Crystal Brook (galvanized iron fences were on one side of the paddock). After securing the aircraft, I walked across to the what I presumed was the owner's house to offer explanation and apology. He and his young kids were already halfway out across the paddock in their Ute to greet me. All were very curious, and he did not seem fussed by my outlanding and he and his kids were keen to look at the glider. So I went in the Ute, he and the kids had a look and sit in the glider and were quite amazed about what an ancient looking thing could actually do. I asked to use a phone to phone the retrieve crew and I was offered a cool drink. I also asked if I could help around the place. He said that was OK, but if I wanted to go for a ride in the header, so I ended up riding around in an air conditioned header for the rest of the afternoon with the farmer having a general yak. It was good to hear the farmer's side of the story while he went about his business. I have been lucky that all the outlandings I have had have been without any bad feelings from the land owner. Most seem quite interested in what we get up to. And I remember that I am an ambassador for the sport. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Riding around in a header
My experiences have been similar to Michael's, the hospitality some people turn on for their unexpected visitor has been fantastic; it would be a pity that the poor experiences of a few colour our thinking about the majority of wonderful people we meet during our adventures in the bush. SDF -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Texler, Michael Sent: Monday, 26 March 2012 2:13 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Riding around in a header I remember when I did my Silver C distance in an ES59 Arrow (GNF) many moons ago. The outlanding paddock (a lovely stubble paddock, flat as a billiard table) was right next to town of Crystal Brook (galvanized iron fences were on one side of the paddock). After securing the aircraft, I walked across to the what I presumed was the owner's house to offer explanation and apology. He and his young kids were already halfway out across the paddock in their Ute to greet me. All were very curious, and he did not seem fussed by my outlanding and he and his kids were keen to look at the glider. So I went in the Ute, he and the kids had a look and sit in the glider and were quite amazed about what an ancient looking thing could actually do. I asked to use a phone to phone the retrieve crew and I was offered a cool drink. I also asked if I could help around the place. He said that was OK, but if I wanted to go for a ride in the header, so I ended up riding around in an air conditioned header for the rest of the afternoon with the farmer having a general yak. It was good to hear the farmer's side of the story while he went about his business. I have been lucky that all the outlandings I have had have been without any bad feelings from the land owner. Most seem quite interested in what we get up to. And I remember that I am an ambassador for the sport. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Riding around in a header
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 02:41:25PM +1100, Stuart Kerri FERGUSON wrote: it would be a pity that the poor experiences of a few colour our thinking about the majority of wonderful people we meet during our adventures in the bush. Reminds me of a comment in an American forum I frequent fairly regularly: We do not have a more litigious society. We have a society in which people are more fearful of litigation than they used to be. I think of that whenever I see bush lawyering in forums like this. Reading some of these accounts, anyone would think that gliding is hanging by a thread, one lawsuit away from being banned. Even though to my knowledge there has never been a single person in the history of the Commonwealth sued for trespass for outlanding a glider, and the tiny minority who've ever encountered a hostile reception have all got their gliders back. Relax, it's all good. - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
My local Council continues to be hot-to-trot favouring an international airport within its area. The selected location has its boundary fence 500metres from my strip. Council has told the landowners just how much money they will make, and a succession of consultants have written the reports that anticipate the legislated land use change (from farming to airport). The politics anticipates the closure of a close-to-Adelaide GA facility (Parafield) to validate the new. [the lesees there advise they are embedded for most of this century, and have no interest in moving.] Repeatedly, RAAus, GA and local airfield operators threatened for closure by the proposal have asked about the associated CTAF airspace that would need to be created (and its impact on the Adelaide airport inverted wedding cake of airspace.)(Adelaide airport owner says they don't want impact on them). The rules seem to be - build it, then apply for airspace change. It is unclear who will stump up the money against the imponderables of: - actual creation of the airspace - the opposition from existing CTAF users - the opposition from current OCTA users - opposition yet to be voiced by the local landowners (which brings this back on-thread) who currently have some GA and RAAus overflying (and the sailplanes) and would get the whoosh of the jets. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ... (?Monarto International)
My local Council continues to be hot-to-trot favouring an international airport within its area. The selected location has its boundary fence 500metres from my strip. That's terrible. OMG, think of all the animals at Monarto Zoo that will be scared to death!!! I hope jet proofing the animals is part of the master plan, quick we need a Rhino whisperer. TPFIC Seriously: I hope they never shove Adelaide airport out there. BTW TPFIC = Tongue planted firmly in cheek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
