[Aus-soaring] Anyone ?
Does anyone have a spare Libelle rigging tool taking up space? One would come in handy. Cheers Patch ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Anyone ?
A Hornet or Kestrel rigging tool should fit as well. Regards, John. John Welsh Home: (08) 9496 0664 Mob: 041 794 5981 (Next G) -- John invites you to visit Beverley Soaring Society at www.beverley-soaring.org.au and the Gliding Federation of Australia web site http://www.gfa.org.au/ www.gfa.org.au Newcomers to gliding and soaring are invited to visit http://www.soaring.org.au/web/ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ruth Patching Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 3:32 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Anyone ? Does anyone have a spare Libelle rigging tool taking up space? One would come in handy. Cheers Patch ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Anyone ?
G'day John, Yes, you are completly right, a Kestrel, Hornet, Club Libelle, Mossie, should all work. So...Plan A, Does anyone have a spare Libelle (and the rest of the Glasflugel stable) rigging tool taking up space? Cheers Ian (Patch) - Original Message - From: John Welsh jwe...@arach.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, 22 August, 2012 5:47:57 PM (GMT+1000) Auto-Detected Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Anyone ? A Hornet or Kestrel rigging tool should fit as well. Regards, John. John Welsh Home: (08) 9496 0664 Mob: 041 794 5981 (Next G) -- John invites you to visit Beverley Soaring Society at www.beverley-soaring.org.au and the Gliding Federation of Australia web site www.gfa.org.au Newcomers to gliding and soaring are invited to visit http://www.soaring.org.au/web/ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ruth Patching Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 3:32 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Anyone ? Does anyone have a spare Libelle rigging tool taking up space? One would come in handy. Cheers Patch ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
Then again, a leather-bound journal and ledger would do the job. No electricity required, and it got a lot easier since the last major upgrade was released (on 14th February 1966). Of course, this solution does require a knowledge of writing - without a keyboard or spell checker - and arithmetic (without a numeric keypad). Could be a worry, these days. Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 22/08/2012 13:55, Derek Ruddock wrote: If you don't need payroll, something as simple as MYOB AccountRight (replacement for Business Basics) will probably fit the bill. *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Peter (PCS3) *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 August 2012 9:59 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting You only really need upgrades if you require tax tables. I use MYOB15 as a club treasurer and MYOB19.7 for my office where I need the effing tax tables. I too complain about the cost of upgrades (both MYOB15 and MYOB19.7) look the same but they have me by the short and curlies. PeterS On 21/08/2012 8:23 AM, trevor.bu...@bigpond.com mailto:trevor.bu...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, can anyone recommend a club accounting program other than MYOB? I would like to get away from the cost of upgrades. Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
Now you'll have someone asking what happened on 14th Feb 1966. Mike At 06:13 PM 22/08/2012, you wrote: Then again, a leather-bound journal and ledger would do the job. No electricity required, and it got a lot easier since the last major upgrade was released (on 14th February 1966). Of course, this solution does require a knowledge of writing - without a keyboard or spell checker - and arithmetic (without a numeric keypad). Could be a worry, these days. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 22/08/2012 13:55, Derek Ruddock wrote: If you dont need payroll, something as simple as MYOB AccountRight (replacement for Business Basics) will probably fit the bill. From: mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2012 9:59 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting You only really need upgrades if you require tax tables. I use MYOB15 as a club treasurer and MYOB19.7 for my office where I need the effing tax tables. I too complain about the cost of upgrades (both MYOB15 and MYOB19.7) look the same but they have me by the short and curlies. PeterS On 21/08/2012 8:23 AM, mailto:trevor.bu...@bigpond.comtrevor.bu...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, can anyone recommend a club accounting program other than MYOB? I would like to get away from the cost of upgrades. Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
The Comptometrists life was decimated? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 5:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting Now you'll have someone asking what happened on 14th Feb 1966. Mike At 06:13 PM 22/08/2012, you wrote: Then again, a leather-bound journal and ledger would do the job. No electricity required, and it got a lot easier since the last major upgrade was released (on 14th February 1966). Of course, this solution does require a knowledge of writing - without a keyboard or spell checker - and arithmetic (without a numeric keypad). Could be a worry, these days. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 22/08/2012 13:55, Derek Ruddock wrote: If you dont need payroll, something as simple as MYOB AccountRight (replacement for Business Basics) will probably fit the bill. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2012 9:59 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting You only really need upgrades if you require tax tables. I use MYOB15 as a club treasurer and MYOB19.7 for my office where I need the effing tax tables. I too complain about the cost of upgrades (both MYOB15 and MYOB19.7) look the same but they have me by the short and curlies. PeterS On 21/08/2012 8:23 AM, trevor.bu...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, can anyone recommend a club accounting program other than MYOB? I would like to get away from the cost of upgrades. Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
Beaut post but! From: Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 6:24 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting Now you'll have someone asking what happened on 14th Feb 1966. Mike At 06:13 PM 22/08/2012, you wrote: Then again, a leather-bound journal and ledger would do the job. No electricity required, and it got a lot easier since the last major upgrade was released (on 14th February 1966). Of course, this solution does require a knowledge of writing - without a keyboard or spell checker - and arithmetic (without a numeric keypad). Could be a worry, these days. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 22/08/2012 13:55, Derek Ruddock wrote: If you dont need payroll, something as simple as MYOB AccountRight (replacement for Business Basics) will probably fit the bill. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2012 9:59 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting You only really need upgrades if you require tax tables. I use MYOB15 as a club treasurer and MYOB19.7 for my office where I need the effing tax tables. I too complain about the cost of upgrades (both MYOB15 and MYOB19.7) look the same but they have me by the short and curlies. PeterS On 21/08/2012 8:23 AM, trevor.bu...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, can anyone recommend a club accounting program other than MYOB? I would like to get away from the cost of upgrades. Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Anyone ?
Patch, I can make you one, as I made a spare one for the Kestrel. Brooky - Original Message - From: Ruth Patching To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Anyone ? G'day John, Yes, you are completly right, a Kestrel, Hornet, Club Libelle, Mossie, should all work. So...Plan A, Does anyone have a spare Libelle (and the rest of the Glasflugel stable) rigging tool taking up space? Cheers Ian (Patch) - Original Message - From: John Welsh jwe...@arach.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, 22 August, 2012 5:47:57 PM (GMT+1000) Auto-Detected Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Anyone ? A Hornet or Kestrel rigging tool should fit as well. Regards, John. John Welsh Home: (08) 9496 0664 Mob: 041 794 5981 (Next G) -- John invites you to visit Beverley Soaring Society at www.beverley-soaring.org.au and the Gliding Federation of Australia web site www.gfa.org.au Newcomers to gliding and soaring are invited to visit http://www.soaring.org.au/web/ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ruth Patching Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 3:32 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Anyone ? Does anyone have a spare Libelle rigging tool taking up space? One would come in handy. Cheers Patch ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
Now you'll have someone asking what happened on 14th Feb 1966. Valentine's Day perhaps? ;-) Petr Svoboda, Czech ice hockey player was born ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
..if it's that simple I wouldn't have called helpdesk.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNKjUaE54yIfeature=related On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.netwrote: Then again, a leather-bound journal and ledger would do the job. No electricity required, and it got a lot easier since the last major upgrade was released (on 14th February 1966). Of course, this solution does require a knowledge of writing - without a keyboard or spell checker - and arithmetic (without a numeric keypad). Could be a worry, these days. Cheers *Tim* *tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare* On 22/08/2012 13:55, Derek Ruddock wrote: If you don’t need payroll, something as simple as MYOB AccountRight (replacement for Business Basics) will probably fit the bill. ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Peter (PCS3) *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 August 2012 9:59 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting ** ** You only really need upgrades if you require tax tables. I use MYOB15 as a club treasurer and MYOB19.7 for my office where I need the effing tax tables. I too complain about the cost of upgrades (both MYOB15 and MYOB19.7) look the same but they have me by the short and curlies. PeterS On 21/08/2012 8:23 AM, trevor.bu...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, can anyone recommend a club accounting program other than MYOB? I would like to get away from the cost of upgrades. Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ** ** ___ Aus-soaring mailing listaus-soar...@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
Announcement. for rent one abacus. need to supply supply own operator. solid operating history. also fortran 4 manual also going cheap for anyone with a card reader and mainframe. only slightly used. cheers peter heath Simon Holding shold...@hotmail.com wrote: = The Comptometrists life was decimated? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 5:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting Now you'll have someone asking what happened on 14th Feb 1966. Mike At 06:13 PM 22/08/2012, you wrote: Then again, a leather-bound journal and ledger would do the job. No electricity required, and it got a lot easier since the last major upgrade was released (on 14th February 1966). Of course, this solution does require a knowledge of writing - without a keyboard or spell checker - and arithmetic (without a numeric keypad). Could be a worry, these days. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 22/08/2012 13:55, Derek Ruddock wrote: If you dont need payroll, something as simple as MYOB AccountRight (replacement for Business Basics) will probably fit the bill. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2012 9:59 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting You only really need upgrades if you require tax tables. I use MYOB15 as a club treasurer and MYOB19.7 for my office where I need the effing tax tables. I too complain about the cost of upgrades (both MYOB15 and MYOB19.7) look the same but they have me by the short and curlies. PeterS On 21/08/2012 8:23 AM, trevor.bu...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, can anyone recommend a club accounting program other than MYOB? I would like to get away from the cost of upgrades. Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Darling Downs weather for the weekend of 25 - 26 August 2012
Hi folks The forecast is available at the link below and it looks like it will be a great weekend, blue on Saturday but with cloud on Sunday. I will update tomorrow. -- Robert Hartha...@interweft.com.au Darling Downs gliding weather information +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting
Fortran? Tha' were lucky. We used to program by patching wi' cords and then we had to lick t' computer wi' tongue... -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of opsw...@bigpond.net.au Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 9:37 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Simon Holding Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting Announcement. for rent one abacus. need to supply supply own operator. solid operating history. also fortran 4 manual also going cheap for anyone with a card reader and mainframe. only slightly used. cheers peter heath Simon Holding shold...@hotmail.com wrote: = The Comptometrist’s life was decimated? From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2012 5:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting Now you'll have someone asking what happened on 14th Feb 1966. Mike At 06:13 PM 22/08/2012, you wrote: Then again, a leather-bound journal and ledger would do the job. No electricity required, and it got a lot easier since the last major upgrade was released (on 14th February 1966). Of course, this solution does require a knowledge of writing - without a keyboard or spell checker - and arithmetic (without a numeric keypad). Could be a worry, these days. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 22/08/2012 13:55, Derek Ruddock wrote: If you don’t need payroll, something as simple as MYOB AccountRight (replacement for Business Basics) will probably fit the bill. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2012 9:59 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club accounting You only really need upgrades if you require tax tables. I use MYOB15 as a club treasurer and MYOB19.7 for my office where I need the effing tax tables. I too complain about the cost of upgrades (both MYOB15 and MYOB19.7) look the same but they have me by the short and curlies. PeterS On 21/08/2012 8:23 AM, trevor.bu...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, can anyone recommend a club accounting program other than MYOB? I would like to get away from the cost of upgrades. Trevor Burke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] certification
Ah the joys and benefits of certification by government bureaucrats. http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/Pipistrel_Imports_Suspended_207237-1.html Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] certification
If it's not on the internet, it can't be true. mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012 10:02 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] certification Ah the joys and benefits of certification by government bureaucrats. http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/Pipistrel_Imports_Suspended_207237-1.html Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/ tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] certification
What a good story (and I am sure that its true). What are we to do about this dreadful disease...government funded ineptitude (cowardice? irrelevance?) and sheer stupidity. I see so much of it, and an increasing amount of it, as I move between the UK, New Zealand and Australia. We in aviation (and sailing in my case) are particularily vulnerable. At 66, I tend to think that it wont affect me for much longer, but then perhaps we should encourage civil disobedience if only to publicise the cause. When returning from my circumnavigation I was often asked whether I saw any pirates. My reply was on the lines of..Yes, and they all wore government uniforms. That was in 1991. Its worse now. Strangely, the cleverness of modern technology often seems to make the stupidities more effective, as in the case in point. From: mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:37:43 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] certification If it’s not on the internet, it can’t be true. mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012 10:02 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] certification Ah the joys and benefits of certification by government bureaucrats. http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/Pipistrel_Imports_Suspended_207237-1.html Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] certification
At 11:17 AM 23/08/2012, you wrote: What a good story (and I am sure that its true). What are we to do about this dreadful disease...government funded ineptitude (cowardice? irrelevance?) and sheer stupidity. I see so much of it, and an increasing amount of it, as I move between the UK, New Zealand and Australia. We in aviation (and sailing in my case) are particularily vulnerable. At 66, I tend to think that it wont affect me for much longer, but then perhaps we should encourage civil disobedience if only to publicise the cause. When returning from my circumnavigation I was often asked whether I saw any pirates. My reply was on the lines of..Yes, and they all wore government uniforms. That was in 1991. Its worse now. Strangely, the cleverness of modern technology often seems to make the stupidities more effective, as in the case in point. Thanks for that, Gavin. In general they are known as The Badge Gang. The gang colours are generally blue or black and they specialise in extortion and protection racketeering. The protection is from threats that range from non existent to extremely unlikely and they aren't very good at that anyway. Yes I know Michael Coates and I'm sure it is true. The problem is the very existence of laws on certification of recreational and private aircraft. We have lots of experience operating such things, including gliders and the risk to innocent third parties has been shown to be miniscule and largely caused by stupidity on the part of the operator rather than any shortcomings in the equipment. Innocent third parties are put at far greater risk whenever somebody gets in a car. There are laws and legal remedies already in existence if the product is defective anyway. Just look at the situation with recreational aviation in Australia. It makes a regurgitated dog's breakfast look good. Ten different organisations with many different legal requirementsand varying degrees of the regulator's involvement overseen by a unit in the regulator which seems to be largely interested in covering up for the shortcomings of the recreational aviation organisations all of which provide plenty of evidence for the corrupting influencer of power over other people. Then you have the SAAA (homebuilts) congratulating themselves about winding the clock back partly to the old amateur built regs. They are a bunch of complete morons and serfs. We have the situation where it is OK for someone who doesn't know what he is doing to build an aircraft in his garage and later sell it but you can't (legally) hire someone like a LAME to build one for you. Talk about the triumph of process over results! These aircraft designs are not required to be justified to any airworthiness standard but pretty much everyone designs to meet FAR 23 structural standards anyway. No problem with having engineering standards but I'm surprised that there are any small aircraft being produced. It is hard to make a business case when you have no idea when some government dipshit is going to sign on the bottom line so you can sell your product and meanwhile you are wearing the cost (and risk) of the capital sunk. Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
