Re: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 as cockpit touchscreen display
Thanks, John. Mike At 02:08 PM 12/09/2012, you wrote: I have continued this with Mike via diredt email. Yes PocketFMS has Aust/NZ maps and airspace. Regards, John Orton On 12 September 2012 11:55, Mike Borgelt mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.commborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Hi John, I've been hoping the OzRunways guys will release Android version. I really don't want an iPad that quits at 35 deg C. Or want an iPad. V2 runs Windows Mobile 6.1 and is essentially same as current Oudie so it ought to work with Pocket FMS. I get weather and Notams before takeoff on my netbook. I want the GPS device as a moving map with airspace, distance and time to run etc. Does Pocket FMS have Australian maps and airspace? Mike At 01:41 PM 12/09/2012, you wrote: Mike, I am wondering how the V2 would go with someting like http://www.pocketfms.com/PocketFMS for power or Motorglider. PocketFMS is better when it can get the weather and notams via the net. Regards, John Orton On 12 September 2012 08:33, Mike Borgelt mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 09:30 AM 12/09/2012, you wrote: Mike, According to the tech spec the Nexus 7 has an external micro-USB port, plus other features like accelerometer, magnetometer and gyroscope. Regards, Geoff V The question is, is the port programmable to be RS232 serial or is there a driver for an RS232 to USB device that will work in the Nexus? Some PNA devices have feature where the USB can be converted to a RS232 serial port by holding one pin on a mini USB high or low. There are 5 pins on these. With an accelerometer, gyro and magnetometer the Nexus is likely illegal in contests in the USA and probably here unless you can convince the scrutineer that there is no attitude indicator software on the device. I received two of the Vertica V2 devices yesterday. Same idea as Oudie but will run any software that runs on Windows Mobile such as WinPilot, XCSoar, SeeYou mobile etc so you don't have to buy the SeeYou software and hence is cheaper. The screen is same as new Oudie and is very bright. Works fine in bright sunlight, with any shade on it, it is brilliant. Also has a 10 pin mini USB which supports TWO wired serial RS232 ports, Bluetooth and internal GPS optimised for gliding dynamics (most GPS units aren't and hence will give poor wind measurements). 5screen which I think is the reasonable max for glider cockpits or even the BD-4, which has a large panel. You really don't want these devices getting in your line of sight to any canopy transparency. More later as I haven't had a chance to thoroughly test yet. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: tel:07%204635%20578407 4635 5784 overseas: inttel:%2B61-7-4635%205784+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : inttel:%2B61-42835%205784+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : inttel:%2B61-42835%205784+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details,
Re: [Aus-soaring] Nexus 7 as cockpit touchscreen display
At 12:43 PM 12/09/2012, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_01C8_01CD90E4.3B997B70 Content-Language: en-au Fundamentally you can't. But there are a number of rules that are like that, unenforceable in practical terms. At the end of the day if someone wants to cheat it's hard to stop them. Peer pressure is amazingly powerful and anyone cheating will eventually be found out. After which they are effectively branded for life as a cheat, not a nice title. ROSS I have a nice bridge for sale but you'll have to be quick! Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Instruments
At 01:11 PM 12/09/2012, you wrote: e. The point is that accelerometers / gyros are going to become so ubiquitous that the competition rule writers are going to be writing themselves into history if they persist with their no instruments approach. Yup. If I was an organiser and wanted to prevent these instruments I wouldn't be happy with software that didn't have that capability and the hardware is so small that it is too easy to hide. This reminds me of the introduction of GPS and the arguments against allowing it in gliding contests. Besides, with universal ADSB in and out what exactly are the arguments against cloud flying in gliders? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Instruments
Legality and fairness. I can deal with the fairness issue [I would probably be OK at the cloud thingy] but CASA might need convincing. Tom Besides, with universal ADSB in and out what exactly are the arguments against cloud flying in gliders? Mike Borgelt Instruments- design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Instruments
At 07:41 PM 12/09/2012, you wrote: Legality and fairness. I can deal with the fairness issue [I would probably be OK at the cloud thingy] but CASA might need convincing. Tom New Zealand allows cloud flying in gliders in contests. It isn't unfair, just learn how to do it. A gazillion hours on autopilot in cloud might not translate as well as you might suppose to gliders. My point was exactly the CASA argument. What exactly is the problem if everyone knows where everyone is relative to them and exactly where they are? I have seen an article where it was hypothesised that instead of IFR and VFR we would have EFR - Electronic Flight Rules. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Instruments
Lucky I had a life before Jets! ;) I have used the NZ rules [only one climb though] , with EFR I would be happy. All comps are unfair, but this would only add to that. Tom From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: tom claffey to...@yahoo.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Instruments At 07:41 PM 12/09/2012, you wrote: Legality and fairness. I can deal with the fairness issue [I would probably be OK at the cloud thingy] but CASA might need convincing. Tom New Zealand allows cloud flying in gliders in contests. It isn't unfair, just learn how to do it. A gazillion hours on autopilot in cloud might not translate as well as you might suppose to gliders. My point was exactly the CASA argument. What exactly is the problem if everyone knows where everyone is relative to them and exactly where they are? I have seen an article where it was hypothesised that instead of IFR and VFR we would have EFR - Electronic Flight Rules. Mike Borgelt Instruments- design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Weather for the weekend of 15 - 16 September 2012
Hi folks The weekend forecast is available at the link below and it looks to be a good one, with Saturday a high, mostly blue day and Sunday a day with good cloud. -- Robert Hartha...@interweft.com.au Darling Downs gliding weather information +61 438 385 533 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Instruments
At 10:55 PM 12/09/2012, you wrote: Lucky I had a life before Jets! ;) I have used the NZ rules [only one climb though] , with EFR I would be happy. All comps are unfair, but this would only add to that. Tom Once you have the electronics for the attitude instrumentation you also have most of an autopilot, you only need the servos to make one. With modern LiFePO4 batteries the electrical power isn't a problem. The Duckhawk already has electrically actuated flaps which means it is easy to organise *never* being in the wrong flap setting. So thermalling becomes a matter of pushing the leftor right button and the glider smoothly rolls into a co-ordinated left or right turn at 40 degrees of bank angle at the optimum lift coefficient for minimum sink. You will have a button to roll off the bank to straight flight and this could be used for centering. The ball would be in the middle the whole time so you'll need footrests as you won't have your feet on the pedals. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Instruments
Hmmm reminds me of an Ed Kilbourne song Sent from my iPhone On 13/09/2012, at 7:09 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 10:55 PM 12/09/2012, you wrote: Lucky I had a life before Jets! ;) I have used the NZ rules [only one climb though] , with EFR I would be happy. All comps are unfair, but this would only add to that. Tom Once you have the electronics for the attitude instrumentation you also have most of an autopilot, you only need the servos to make one. With modern LiFePO4 batteries the electrical power isn't a problem. The Duckhawk already has electrically actuated flaps which means it is easy to organise *never* being in the wrong flap setting. So thermalling becomes a matter of pushing the leftor right button and the glider smoothly rolls into a co-ordinated left or right turn at 40 degrees of bank angle at the optimum lift coefficient for minimum sink. You will have a button to roll off the bank to straight flight and this could be used for centering. The ball would be in the middle the whole time so you'll need footrests as you won't have your feet on the pedals. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] B500 wanted
Hi all, Wanted - Borgelt B500. In order to standardise Club glider instruments GCV wishes to buy a second-hand Borgelt B500 vario/averager/final glide computer. Contact Rob Dorning at rob...@softdawn.net, or (03) 9489 4298. If anyone is changing or upgrading from one of these instruments Rob would like to hear from you. Please note, this is a specific request for a B500, as it is for a standardisation strategy. -- Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Instruments and beyond
And then you link it to your computer at home so you don't have to drive to the airfield because the DI/launch robot has placed your glider on the grid, with it's onboard camera and computer and fly the thing from home. If you have a mid air no-one gets hurt apart from those whom the bits fall on the ground. Hang on! wait up! why would you even need a glider? Have a virtual one. You could play Condor. No a/c req'd, no airfield req'd, no club m'ship req'd, no GFA req'd. You can still wear beige though and a floppy hat. Although I guess some-one would complain about how to handicap their computer system so they win all the time. Me, I'd rather go gliding... Warning, my tongue is planted firmly in my cheek for those with no sense of humour.! Once you have the electronics for the attitude instrumentation you also have most of an autopilot, you only need the servos to make one. With modern LiFePO4 batteries the electrical power isn't a problem. The Duckhawk already has electrically actuated flaps which means it is easy to organise *never* being in the wrong flap setting. So thermalling becomes a matter of pushing the leftor right button and the glider smoothly rolls into a co-ordinated left or right turn at 40 degrees of bank angle at the optimum lift coefficient for minimum sink. You will have a button to roll off the bank to straight flight and this could be used for centering. The ball would be in the middle the whole time so you'll need footrests as you won't have your feet on the pedals. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] New ABC series starting this weekend looks interesting
http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/series/3586896 Wonder where that still frame is from - is that VH-GWV(Y?) I wonder if they will include the Morning Glory... -- Nelson Handcock 0409 149919 http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
