Re: [Aus-soaring] Electric replacement for quad bikes aroundairfields
I know of a gopher being used for this quite successfully. Cheap too second hand. Is that to get the pilot or the glider out to the launch pointinfo/aus-soaring? ;-) Beige flameproof suit and terry towelling hat on ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Electric replacement for quad bikes around airfields
It could have terry toweling canopy too. Large old beach towel would do the trick. -Original Message- From: Texler, Michael Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 6:02 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Electric replacement for quad bikesaroundairfields I know of a gopher being used for this quite successfully. Cheap too second hand. Is that to get the pilot or the glider out to the launch pointinfo/aus-soaring? ;-) Beige flameproof suit and terry towelling hat on ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Car damage
Nicely put Bernard! I see that you now fully understand the implications of your initial email to which I strongly objected! All this aside, I for one, freely acknowledge the huge effort that you have made to firstly improving the status of XC gliding in SA, and to a lesser extent, within the larger OZ scene, through your personal effort, and secondly to a possibly larger (worldwide extent), through the publication of the various editions of your book. I have a copy of your 2nd edition, which perhaps I should delve deeper into if I want to improve my performance? It would seem that you now have a positive resolution of the cost issues. That is good. Please keep up the good coaching work. Gary - Original Message - From: Future Aviation To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:59 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Car damage Hello Kevin and all other contributors! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter. Shortly after Kevin's posting I received a call from a concerned friend. He basically underlined Kevin's comments and pointed out that the naming of an individual should have been avoided. This doesn't seem to be an issue where I come from (as long as the facts are correct) but I was told that that it is a no-no in Australia. Therefore I have now come to accept that I was wrong in doing it Initially I received a number of e-mails in support of my approach while stressing that we should all object to people doing the wrong thing by others and expect to get away with it. However, lately some well meaning off line feedback is more concerned about the impact on the individual involved. It made me realise that my initial posting was interpreted by the majority of readers as an attack on the individual when in reality it was primarily an attempt to share a costly experience with other volunteers and prevent them from falling into the same trap. Talking of costs, the good news is that I have received feedback from GFA officials that the cost of repairs should be covered by the BBL insurance scheme. That will take care of the financial issue and I want to thank those members who have pointed that out to me. Apparently I need to submit a claim to the lady in question which she has to pass on to the GFA treasurer. I assume that I will receive the necessary cooperation and if this is the case I want to assure all members of this forum that I will write to the lady and express my deep regret for naming her. If my posting has offended a fellow club member (or anyone else) I want to apologise to them right here and now. Kind regards to all Bernard -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5650 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Car damage
I am still waiting for my BBL claim form it happened more than 6 years ago. Date and time of accident 01/12/2009 11:25 AM Not a word from the GFA since I submitted my GFA ACCIDENT/INCIDENT REPORT. Still waiting for a login to the GFA website since the revamp or I would send you the GFA ACCIDENT/INCIDENT REPORT form I get Server Error in '/iMIS15' Application. when I search the site for GFA ACCIDENT/INCIDENT REPORT I wonder what became of the report I bet it went missing. The gang of trolls can interpret whatever they like but the truth is the truth. My losses total $3004.00 Damage to vehicle $374.00 Remedial massage $350.00 Chiropractor $280.00 One week off work from my business $2000.00 Doctor billed Medicare Mal ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Car damage
On 05/03/2013, at 8:50 PM, Mal Bruce m...@mals.net wrote: One week off work from my business $2000.00 All other things aside, I don't know of any insurance scheme that would pay loss of earnings or wages. If you are employed with sick benefits, that is up to the company, and not part of the insurance claim. Certainly 3rd party Vicroads would not cover it. Even my income protection that I have as a consultant does not cover loss of earnings unless you are critically ill, or loss of limb. I make no judgement either way on the rest of the claim - just feedback on what is normal, and likely to be honoured if at all. Good luck all. Scott smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Jesus Wept! John 11:35
GFA is responsible read their website Safety Management System The GFA has developed a modern Safety Management System which will promote an awareness of safety throughout the sport, and will facilitate a culture of safety and a safer operating environment in all areas of gliding. I can hardly believe grown men are behaving like such princesses over such irrelevant issues. Yourself included Get your own insurance, get a lawyer or get lost - but above all don't bore the rest of us witless with your trivial lives. We just don't want to know. Get it? We do its in our GFA sub's and glider insurance as well as the vehicle insurance Appropriate subject Jesus wept - It has been remarked that this is the shortest verse in the Bible; but it is exceedingly important and tender. It shows the Lord Jesus as a friend, a tender friend, and evinces his character as a man. And from this we learn: 1. That the most tender personal friendship is not inconsistent with the most pure religion. Piety binds stronger the ties of friendship, makes more tender the emotions of love, and seals and sanctifies the affections of friends. 2. It is right, it is natural, it is indispensable for the Christian to sympathize with others in their afflictions. Romans 12:15; rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. 3. Sorrow at the death of friends is not improper. It is right to weep. It is the expression of nature and religion does not forbid or condemn it. All that religion does in the case is to temper and chasten our grief; to teach us to mourn with submission to God; to weep without complaining, and to seek to banish tears, not by hardening the heart or forgetting the friend, but by bringing the soul, made tender by grief, to receive the sweet influences of religion, and to find calmness and peace in the God of all consolation. 4. We have here an instance of the tenderness of the character of Jesus, The same Savior wept over Jerusalem, and felt deeply for poor dying, sinners. To the same tender and compassionate Saviour Christians may now come Hebrews 4:15; and to him the penitent sinner may also come, knowing that he will not cast him away. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] What You Can Claim NSW
What You Can Claim Your compensation depends on the types of injuries you sustained and your circumstances at the time of the accident. As far as possible, any form of compensation is aimed at returning the person injured to their pre-injury state. Your claim could be for economic loss and/or non-economic loss. Economic loss Economic loss includes: reasonable and necessary hospital, medical, rehabilitation and pharmaceutical expenses (past/future) reasonable and necessary attendant care and respite care expenses loss of income loss of ability to earn income other reasonable and necessary expenses and losses you suffer as a result of your injuries. You will need to show: that the amount claimed is reasonable receipts for expenses that the treatment relates directly to the injuries and losses caused by the accident. Medical expenses If the insurer accepts liability for your claim it will pay your reasonable and necessary hospital, medical, rehabilitation and travel expenses. You don't have to wait for the claim to be finalised for these expenses to be paid. The insurer is obliged to pay these expenses on an 'as incurred' basis only if they are reasonable and necessary, properly verified and relate to the injuries from the motor vehicle accident. Original receipts or accounts should be sent to the insurer and you should keep a copy of all these documents. The insurer cannot be expected to continue to pay accounts unless improvement is evident. An insurer will look for therapeutic benefits in assessing whether treatment will be reasonable and necessary, and hence, if you cannot agree with the insurer on medical issues about past or future treatment then the dispute can be referred to the Medical Assessment Service. Lost earnings There is a limit to the amount that can be claimed for lost income which is indexed annually on 1 October. The insurer will want evidence of any losses. For past losses, they may want: a letter or statement from your employer tax returns sick leave records medical evidence to show that you were unfit for work because of the injuries arising out of the accident (e.g. a doctor's certificate) any other proof you have that you have suffered an actual loss of wages if you were self-employed, they will want verification from your accountant. Give the insurer copies and keep any original documents. Before you can be awarded an amount of damages for future lost earnings you will have to establish that the claim is real and reasonable. You will have to show that you would have had this earning capacity if not for the accident. Payment is made for lost earnings when your claim is settled. Non-economic loss Non-economic loss (or general damages) is for the pain and suffering and loss of enjoyment of life that you have experienced as a result of the accident. While most people injured in motor vehicle accidents experience some degree of pain and distress, there are limits on who can claim compensation for non-economic loss and how much compensation they get. You will only get non-economic loss damages if you have a whole-person permanent impairment of more than 10 per cent as a result of your accident. Permanent impairment is assessed according to the MAA Permanent Impairment Guidelines (1 October 2007). The permanent impairment arising from each injury is assessed separately. The impairments arising from multiple physical injuries can be added together to get more than 10 per cent but you can't add a physical and psychological injury together to reach more than 10 per cent. If a person is assessed at more than 10 per cent permanent impairment, damages may be payable depending on the seriousness of the injury. Amounts which can be awarded are indexed annually and are listed in the Indexation of Damages. Summaries of cases (116kb) where non-economic loss damages have been assessed by CARS provide an indication of the type of injuries and permanent impairments that entitle claimants to non-economic loss damages. Need help? For more information contact the Claims Advisory Service. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] What You Can Claim NSW
Hi Mal, I checked Victoria and I am completely wrong for TAC sorry - they do accept loss of earnings claims, but only if more than 5 days (ie not the first 5 days lost work), and then only a maximum of 80% lost earnings to a maximum of $1130. Didn't check NSW. Scott On 05/03/2013, at 9:10 PM, Mal Bruce m...@mals.net wrote: What You Can Claim Your compensation depends on the types of injuries you sustained and your circumstances at the time of the accident. As far as possible, any form of compensation is aimed at returning the person injured to their pre-injury state. Your claim could be for economic loss and/or non-economic loss. Economic loss Economic loss includes: reasonable and necessary hospital, medical, rehabilitation and pharmaceutical expenses (past/future) reasonable and necessary attendant care and respite care expenses loss of income loss of ability to earn income other reasonable and necessary expenses and losses you suffer as a result of your injuries. You will need to show: that the amount claimed is reasonable receipts for expenses that the treatment relates directly to the injuries and losses caused by the accident. Medical expenses If the insurer accepts liability for your claim it will pay your reasonable and necessary hospital, medical, rehabilitation and travel expenses. You don't have to wait for the claim to be finalised for these expenses to be paid. The insurer is obliged to pay these expenses on an 'as incurred' basis only if they are reasonable and necessary, properly verified and relate to the injuries from the motor vehicle accident. Original receipts or accounts should be sent to the insurer and you should keep a copy of all these documents. The insurer cannot be expected to continue to pay accounts unless improvement is evident. An insurer will look for therapeutic benefits in assessing whether treatment will be reasonable and necessary, and hence, if you cannot agree with the insurer on medical issues about past or future treatment then the dispute can be referred to the Medical Assessment Service. Lost earnings There is a limit to the amount that can be claimed for lost income which is indexed annually on 1 October. The insurer will want evidence of any losses. For past losses, they may want: a letter or statement from your employer tax returns sick leave records medical evidence to show that you were unfit for work because of the injuries arising out of the accident (e.g. a doctor's certificate) any other proof you have that you have suffered an actual loss of wages if you were self-employed, they will want verification from your accountant. Give the insurer copies and keep any original documents. Before you can be awarded an amount of damages for future lost earnings you will have to establish that the claim is real and reasonable. You will have to show that you would have had this earning capacity if not for the accident. Payment is made for lost earnings when your claim is settled. Non-economic loss Non-economic loss (or general damages) is for the pain and suffering and loss of enjoyment of life that you have experienced as a result of the accident. While most people injured in motor vehicle accidents experience some degree of pain and distress, there are limits on who can claim compensation for non-economic loss and how much compensation they get. You will only get non-economic loss damages if you have a whole-person permanent impairment of more than 10 per cent as a result of your accident. Permanent impairment is assessed according to the MAA Permanent Impairment Guidelines (1 October 2007). The permanent impairment arising from each injury is assessed separately. The impairments arising from multiple physical injuries can be added together to get more than 10 per cent but you can't add a physical and psychological injury together to reach more than 10 per cent. If a person is assessed at more than 10 per cent permanent impairment, damages may be payable depending on the seriousness of the injury. Amounts which can be awarded are indexed annually and are listed in the Indexation of Damages. Summaries of cases (116kb) where non-economic loss damages have been assessed by CARS provide an indication of the type of injuries and permanent impairments that entitle claimants to non-economic loss damages. Need help? For more information contact the Claims Advisory Service. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Scott Penrose sco...@dd.com.au http://scott.dd.com.au/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Aus-soaring mailing list
Re: [Aus-soaring] Coaching issues
Hi All, Here is an interesting post, that has not got any response - to date. It seems to me that there might be issues well worth considering further, by members of this forum. I would hope that Terry Cubly, as Chairman of the Development Committee, might respond appropriately. Emilis's last three paragraphs has me intrigued. Emilis, I would like you to amplify just exactly what you mean in each of these paragraphs. Gary - Original Message - From: emilis prelgauskas emi...@emilis.sa.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Coaching issues It is a good thing that over the years the sport has moved toward better resourced and structured post-solo coaching. The regrettable aspects are that - - on the one hand the sport's traditions of making do and relying on individuals to stump up resources for the benefit of the sport as a whole has continued - meanwhile on the other hand the society wide attitudes, which might be termed 'victim mentality', have pervaded participant attitudes (no care/no responsibility). I am one of the people who has become concerned about providing resources (myself, skills and knowledge, sailplane and other bits and bobs) and then find the coachee turns up on the flightline after I have done the fettle, DI, tow-out, flight prep; ready to 'do the flight'. My view is that all those precursors are where the real learning occurs. Since we know that pilot comprehension and decisionmaking goes to mush once we are in the air. As the sport gets smaller, it relies ever more on the old hands where the corporate knowledge resides. Making that section of the sport wonder about the value of what they offer, the ineffectual nature of hand-on of that knowledge, let alone being left hung out to dry in terms of carrying the costs as well; is the rapid path toward those resources not being available. While there seems to be good things happening at the introduction to cross country flight/early contest scene, and at the elite training pinnacle; these concerns affect the transition of aspirants between those 2 states at either end of the performance spectrum. (The individuals concerned know who I am talking about without me violating the ethics of a public discussion list; don't you) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5646 - Release Date: 03/03/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
I really think taxiing is not on and Disc brakes 90% time can work but now and then they fail. I once watched an ASH taxiing hit Brad Edwards Pawnee - no damage to glider but serious ($10k or was it $20K) Pawnee damage. ASH disc was not working correctly. That pilot had been gliding over 40 years. . A friend of mine (he is level 3) taxied a glider in near hangar and I spoke to him about not a good idea. The next 2 seater was landing at hangar also and the visiting pilot from Sydney did something similar except overshot and finished up within 3m head on to John Michelle's Maule. I said to my friend Vic you are incharge best talk to him which he did and the pilot said I saw you taxi so I thought I was allowed to do it here .Basically my friend set a bad example. The best Taxi I have ever seen was Dafydd Llewellyn with his wife Jennifer and must be 25 years ago. He made 2 turns and stopped within 2 m of hangar door. Dafydd really did apologized but it was a skill he had from his youth at Bathurst (Sydney Tech Gliding Club) Late 70s I went to use wheel brake in L13 and bike wheel cable broke. I have not taxied since where I must rely on a wheel brake. If you must taxi then do it so NOTHING is in front of you. Taxi and relying on wheel brake is just not worth ite. When I have a young person jam on wheel brake I make them get out and touch the disc - they burn their fingers so bad that they never ever taxi and rely on a wheel brake again. AND I am sick and tired of fixing wheel brakes. Then there are the Pawnee pilots who push their luck too much with a taxi and use of wheel brakes. When I learnt to fly at a tailwheel flying school the owner got 3 of us students lift the tail of Citabria above our shoulder and the tail was now so light -always remember. He then proceeded with a lecture on how not overuse Citabria and Pawnee wheel brakes . That is my 2c worth Ian McPhee On 1 March 2013 07:02, Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net wrote: It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
Ian, I've got it! A very good reminder. Don't do this unless it is a means of last resort. If it is the latter, the question is how did you get into the situation in the first place? Thanks. Gary - Original Message - From: Ian Mc Phee To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply) I really think taxiing is not on and Disc brakes 90% time can work but now and then they fail. I once watched an ASH taxiing hit Brad Edwards Pawnee - no damage to glider but serious ($10k or was it $20K) Pawnee damage. ASH disc was not working correctly. That pilot had been gliding over 40 years. . A friend of mine (he is level 3) taxied a glider in near hangar and I spoke to him about not a good idea. The next 2 seater was landing at hangar also and the visiting pilot from Sydney did something similar except overshot and finished up within 3m head on to John Michelle's Maule. I said to my friend Vic you are incharge best talk to him which he did and the pilot said I saw you taxi so I thought I was allowed to do it here .Basically my friend set a bad example. The best Taxi I have ever seen was Dafydd Llewellyn with his wife Jennifer and must be 25 years ago. He made 2 turns and stopped within 2 m of hangar door. Dafydd really did apologized but it was a skill he had from his youth at Bathurst (Sydney Tech Gliding Club) Late 70s I went to use wheel brake in L13 and bike wheel cable broke. I have not taxied since where I must rely on a wheel brake. If you must taxi then do it so NOTHING is in front of you. Taxi and relying on wheel brake is just not worth ite. When I have a young person jam on wheel brake I make them get out and touch the disc - they burn their fingers so bad that they never ever taxi and rely on a wheel brake again. AND I am sick and tired of fixing wheel brakes. Then there are the Pawnee pilots who push their luck too much with a taxi and use of wheel brakes. When I learnt to fly at a tailwheel flying school the owner got 3 of us students lift the tail of Citabria above our shoulder and the tail was now so light -always remember. He then proceeded with a lecture on how not overuse Citabria and Pawnee wheel brakes . That is my 2c worth Ian McPhee On 1 March 2013 07:02, Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net wrote: It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5650 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Jesus Wept! John 11:35
Spare us the sermon! This is really not the forum for irrelevant superstitious religious nonsense. John Parncutt -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mal Bruce Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 9:01 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: lmyoud...@me.com Subject: [Aus-soaring] Jesus Wept! John 11:35 GFA is responsible read their website Safety Management System The GFA has developed a modern Safety Management System which will promote an awareness of safety throughout the sport, and will facilitate a culture of safety and a safer operating environment in all areas of gliding. I can hardly believe grown men are behaving like such princesses over such irrelevant issues. Yourself included Get your own insurance, get a lawyer or get lost - but above all don't bore the rest of us witless with your trivial lives. We just don't want to know. Get it? We do its in our GFA sub's and glider insurance as well as the vehicle insurance Appropriate subject Jesus wept - It has been remarked that this is the shortest verse in the Bible; but it is exceedingly important and tender. It shows the Lord Jesus as a friend, a tender friend, and evinces his character as a man. And from this we learn: 1. That the most tender personal friendship is not inconsistent with the most pure religion. Piety binds stronger the ties of friendship, makes more tender the emotions of love, and seals and sanctifies the affections of friends. 2. It is right, it is natural, it is indispensable for the Christian to sympathize with others in their afflictions. Romans 12:15; rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. 3. Sorrow at the death of friends is not improper. It is right to weep. It is the expression of nature and religion does not forbid or condemn it. All that religion does in the case is to temper and chasten our grief; to teach us to mourn with submission to God; to weep without complaining, and to seek to banish tears, not by hardening the heart or forgetting the friend, but by bringing the soul, made tender by grief, to receive the sweet influences of religion, and to find calmness and peace in the God of all consolation. 4. We have here an instance of the tenderness of the character of Jesus, The same Savior wept over Jerusalem, and felt deeply for poor dying, sinners. To the same tender and compassionate Saviour Christians may now come Hebrews 4:15; and to him the penitent sinner may also come, knowing that he will not cast him away. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Jesus Wept! John 11:35
Yes John I don't believe in the GFA either Perhaps the GFA Legal Advisor could assist in matters of gliders hitting cars I know he has first hand expertise in this field. About time glider pilots no matter who they are woke up to the damage caused on the ground and while flying acted like real people. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Boring
I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Dear Adam, i agree with you!! And i note that there was not one reply to your far more interesting posted questionif the handicaps are so good why aren't fifteen metre flapped gliders allowed in Standard class? The priorities are not in the right order. RS On 5 March 2013 20:16, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
On 5/03/2013 10:16 PM, Adam Woolley wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Did you put it on OLC I want to see it! FQA ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Re Taxying after Landing
Have a read of the current GFA MOSP page 10 Section 8.1.7 titled 'Taxying After Landing' Its pretty clear cut! Regards Laurie Hoffman From: Ian Mc Phee mrsoar...@gmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply) I really think taxiing is not on and Disc brakes 90% time can work but now and then they fail. I once watched an ASH taxiing hit Brad Edwards Pawnee - no damage to glider but serious ($10k or was it $20K) Pawnee damage. ASH disc was not working correctly. That pilot had been gliding over 40 years. . A friend of mine (he is level 3) taxied a glider in near hangar and I spoke to him about not a good idea. The next 2 seater was landing at hangar also and the visiting pilot from Sydney did something similar except overshot and finished up within 3m head on to John Michelle's Maule. I said to my friend Vic you are incharge best talk to him which he did and the pilot said I saw you taxi so I thought I was allowed to do it here .Basically my friend set a bad example. The best Taxi I have ever seen was Dafydd Llewellyn with his wife Jennifer and must be 25 years ago. He made 2 turns and stopped within 2 m of hangar door. Dafydd really did apologized but it was a skill he had from his youth at Bathurst (Sydney Tech Gliding Club) Late 70s I went to use wheel brake in L13 and bike wheel cable broke. I have not taxied since where I must rely on a wheel brake. If you must taxi then do it so NOTHING is in front of you. Taxi and relying on wheel brake is just not worth ite. When I have a young person jam on wheel brake I make them get out and touch the disc - they burn their fingers so bad that they never ever taxi and rely on a wheel brake again. AND I am sick and tired of fixing wheel brakes. Then there are the Pawnee pilots who push their luck too much with a taxi and use of wheel brakes. When I learnt to fly at a tailwheel flying school the owner got 3 of us students lift the tail of Citabria above our shoulder and the tail was now so light -always remember. He then proceeded with a lecture on how not overuse Citabria and Pawnee wheel brakes . That is my 2c worth Ian McPhee On 1 March 2013 07:02, Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net wrote: It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
Hi Ian, I think the message here is that if you don't think you can rely on a certified piece of kit then perhaps you should spend a little more time assuring yourself of its airworthiness with more diligent inspections and maintenance. This how ever does not account for the Biological element no seeing/feeling wet grass, obstructions etc and is not a replacement for Common Sense Yes things can and do break - If we applied the same reasoning to the Main Spar then no one would fly. Brakes are installed they need to be functional/serviceable - You don't always get large paddocks to land in.. John From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 9:05 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply) I really think taxiing is not on and Disc brakes 90% time can work but now and then they fail. I once watched an ASH taxiing hit Brad Edwards Pawnee - no damage to glider but serious ($10k or was it $20K) Pawnee damage. ASH disc was not working correctly. That pilot had been gliding over 40 years. . A friend of mine (he is level 3) taxied a glider in near hangar and I spoke to him about not a good idea. The next 2 seater was landing at hangar also and the visiting pilot from Sydney did something similar except overshot and finished up within 3m head on to John Michelle's Maule. I said to my friend Vic you are incharge best talk to him which he did and the pilot said I saw you taxi so I thought I was allowed to do it here .Basically my friend set a bad example. The best Taxi I have ever seen was Dafydd Llewellyn with his wife Jennifer and must be 25 years ago. He made 2 turns and stopped within 2 m of hangar door. Dafydd really did apologized but it was a skill he had from his youth at Bathurst (Sydney Tech Gliding Club) Late 70s I went to use wheel brake in L13 and bike wheel cable broke. I have not taxied since where I must rely on a wheel brake. If you must taxi then do it so NOTHING is in front of you. Taxi and relying on wheel brake is just not worth ite. When I have a young person jam on wheel brake I make them get out and touch the disc - they burn their fingers so bad that they never ever taxi and rely on a wheel brake again. AND I am sick and tired of fixing wheel brakes. Then there are the Pawnee pilots who push their luck too much with a taxi and use of wheel brakes. When I learnt to fly at a tailwheel flying school the owner got 3 of us students lift the tail of Citabria above our shoulder and the tail was now so light -always remember. He then proceeded with a lecture on how not overuse Citabria and Pawnee wheel brakes . That is my 2c worth Ian McPhee On 1 March 2013 07:02, Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net wrote: It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Coaching issues
On 05/03/2013, at 9:01 PM, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Emilis's last three paragraphs has me intrigued. Emilis, I would like you to amplify just exactly what you mean in each of these paragraphs. As the sport gets smaller, it relies ever more on the old hands where the corporate knowledge resides. Making that section of the sport wonder about the value of what they offer, the ineffectual nature of hand-on of that knowledge, let alone being left hung out to dry in terms of carrying the costs as well; is the rapid path toward those resources not being available. While there seems to be good things happening at the introduction to cross country flight/early contest scene, and at the elite training pinnacle; these concerns affect the transition of aspirants between those 2 states at either end of the performance spectrum. (The individuals concerned know who I am talking about without me violating the ethics of a public discussion list; don't you) The thread began with an individual noting that in being left to carry real immediate costs on an activity in addition to where he was already providing the aircraft, time and knowledge at no cost to participants, this left him wondering whether he could afford to help the sport out to that extent. A possible implication being that others may not have access to those resources into the future. Thus the sport loses. I was making the point that others have previously come to that conclusion. (Remember Barry Wrenford?) The loss is not just in handing on skills and knowledge right now, the distance created between the sport and the knowledge means that in the end the knowledge is lost entirely. Look at the explosion in paperwork within GFA, and yet the absence of real knowledge amongst its officers. I am aware of elite training camps put together for pilots aspiring to world comp attendances. I am aware of coaching courses, notably those targeted to pilots beginning to fly cross country or enter first contests. I am wondering where the provisions are for 'continuing professional development' for the pilots in the central section - neither tyro nor dux. I have always worked on the basis of gliding being a self directed activity (we do this because we want to; it isn't a job even for those who run support businesses within the sport; it isn't an obligatory activity directed by government or industry edicts) and so I expect a basis of fair dealing between people within the sport. I knew things had changed first some 2 decades ago when a President of a club from whom I offered to buy a sailplane reneged on the deal done with 'we have a better offer'. Of course there was no 'better deal', he was trying to be smart and get me to renegotiate at a higher price. In the end the original deal went through; which I always felt bad about - maybe I should have matched him and driven the purchase price down in retribution. Since then, this daily commerce 'smartness' has been occuring ever more frequently within the sport. For those who haven't figured it out yet; I don't respond well to daily commerce pressure - I don't accept it in my business, I don't put up with it in my pro-bono activities. It comes from growing up in a household where the parents lived through Europe in the 1930s, with its 'Gauleiters' and 'do it my way or you're on the cattle truck to Auschwitz'. (try pushing my buttons some time, eh?) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing
On 06/03/2013, at 10:35 AM, Trezise tre...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Also, I think it is necessary to be able to clear the runway after landing, especially when an large number of gliders are landing at a similar time. However, in these circumstances it should only be used when the speed is well under control (ie below 15kts ie just shortly before the wing is about to drop) and there is no possibility of hitting anything. I only use it in these circumstances. Although this is a popular thing to do, it is where I have seen the closest collisions. Someone on the ground turning, not realising that behind them someone was landing to one side. And if you are close enough to the runway markers to not have anyone land next to you, I would worry about hitting a runway marker. You just can't see behind you. Don't turn. So personally, I think it is a bad habit... there is a good saying more haste, less speed. Land straight ahead and pull up reasonably fast, without overloading your brakes. Scott -- Scott Penrose sco...@dd.com.au http://scott.dd.com.au/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing
It would be nice to think the two aircraft had identified each other at the latest 3 minutes before landing! Regards Michael _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Scott Penrose Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 10:42 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing On 06/03/2013, at 10:35 AM, Trezise tre...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Also, I think it is necessary to be able to clear the runway after landing, especially when an large number of gliders are landing at a similar time. However, in these circumstances it should only be used when the speed is well under control (ie below 15kts ie just shortly before the wing is about to drop) and there is no possibility of hitting anything. I only use it in these circumstances. Although this is a popular thing to do, it is where I have seen the closest collisions. Someone on the ground turning, not realising that behind them someone was landing to one side. And if you are close enough to the runway markers to not have anyone land next to you, I would worry about hitting a runway marker. You just can't see behind you. Don't turn. So personally, I think it is a bad habit... there is a good saying more haste, less speed. Land straight ahead and pull up reasonably fast, without overloading your brakes. Scott -- Scott Penrose sco...@dd.com.au http://scott.dd.com.au/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing
On 06/03/2013, at 11:34 AM, Michael Shirley michael.shir...@bigpond.com wrote: It would be nice to think the two aircraft had identified each other at the latest 3 minutes before landing! Sometimes radios don't work. Sometimes there is half a dozen people landing at once. Sometimes there is emergency. To rely on situational awareness and radios is not very safe. Scott smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing
The Mark 1 Eyeball is supposed to be used in the circuit to find out how not to have an unexpected meeting. Surely that would identify those sharing your final - it would need to be within 15-20 seconds of yours to cause a possible clash in landing run. You both should have seen each other already. Michael _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Scott Penrose Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 12:30 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing On 06/03/2013, at 11:34 AM, Michael Shirley michael.shir...@bigpond.com wrote: It would be nice to think the two aircraft had identified each other at the latest 3 minutes before landing! Sometimes radios don't work. Sometimes there is half a dozen people landing at once. Sometimes there is emergency. To rely on situational awareness and radios is not very safe. Scott ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing
On 06/03/2013, at 3:31 PM, Michael Shirley michael.shir...@bigpond.com wrote: The Mark 1 Eyeball is supposed to be used in the circuit to find out how not to have an unexpected meeting. Surely that would identify those sharing your final – it would need to be within 15-20 seconds of yours to cause a possible clash in landing run. You both should have seen each other already. Michael Three reasons why not always: * Straight in approaches - so the one in front can't see the one behind. * Both downwind approaches - again, back one didn't see * Too many gliders to keep track of * Second glider is lower, and does a modified circuit, or rope break landing where they don't even radio (aviate first). Maybe the Mark 2 eyeball will be able to see behind gliders. (actually seriously that could be pretty cool, like a rear vision camera on a car). To rely on seeing the other glider or hearing the other glider is to rely on luck. Scott smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing
On 06/03/2013, at 3:41 PM, Scott Penrose sco...@dd.com.au wrote: To rely on seeing the other glider or hearing the other glider is to rely on luck. Sorry, to clarify seeing, I meant to see that they are in the circuit before they get behind you. Scott -- Scott Penrose sco...@dd.com.au http://scott.dd.com.au/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing
I found the GCV rules online - they are not necessarily up to date but a useful set of guide lines, that do allow taxing off the runway under certain conditions. Thought it might be a useful guide from experts rather than just from me... Taxiing Off Runways “Taxiing off” refer to the practice of steering a glider off the runway at the end of its landing roll. This practice is not encouraged as a routine part of GCV operations, because of the risks it introduces: * unexpectedly crossing the intended path of a following aircraft * collision with obstacles such as runway markers * ground loop triggered by rudder input required to steer the glider on the ground. Nonetheless, taxiing off does clear runways and can assist safety in that respect. Gliders landing at Benalla airfield should only taxi off the runway under the following conditions: * the glider should land on the dead side of the active circuit * the glider should be sufficiently close to runway markers that another (following) aircraft cannot land between them and the edge of the runway * the glider should be kept straight until just sufficient energy remains to taxi to a stop without heavy braking * the departure angle from the runway should be kept shallow – not more than about 20 degrees. * A radio call on final approach announcing intentions will assist following traffic Scott smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing
Scott, my Mk2 eye ball is my Flarm; it does not resolve separation problems but it can direct your attention and our Mk1 eyeball to an area in the sky that needs attention, especially as you pointed out someone approaching from behind or an unannounced modified circuit. Correct use of the radio is also part of the overall package. S.A. or Situational Awareness is essential for safe operations. Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 On 06/03/2013, at 15:41, Scott Penrose sco...@dd.com.au wrote: On 06/03/2013, at 3:31 PM, Michael Shirley michael.shir...@bigpond.com wrote: The Mark 1 Eyeball is supposed to be used in the circuit to find out how not to have an unexpected meeting. Surely that would identify those sharing your final – it would need to be within 15-20 seconds of yours to cause a possible clash in landing run. You both should have seen each other already. Michael Three reasons why not always: * Straight in approaches - so the one in front can't see the one behind. * Both downwind approaches - again, back one didn't see * Too many gliders to keep track of * Second glider is lower, and does a modified circuit, or rope break landing where they don't even radio (aviate first). Maybe the Mark 2 eyeball will be able to see behind gliders. (actually seriously that could be pretty cool, like a rear vision camera on a car). To rely on seeing the other glider or hearing the other glider is to rely on luck. Scott ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing
There are plenty of cases where the mark one eye ball didn't work and fatal accidents on short final have been the result. In my case I was on final and was joined from behind by a glider that was overtaking less than 20 feet above me requiring a negative bunt to avoid and short landing before the threshold. I didn't trust that the now number one in the landing sequence would do the right thing and remain straight on the RWY landing run until stationary so that following ACFT could land on his right! Or has this rule for following ACFT to rely on this expectation of a clear path to the preceding ACFT been rescinded since I did my solo Trng? I would like to offer the reference for this rule but am away from my material for the fortnight so I'm sure someone else has the basic rule manual/CASA document to hand. Kind regards, Daryl Mackay On 06/03/2013, at 12:31, Michael Shirley michael.shir...@bigpond.com wrote: The Mark 1 Eyeball is supposed to be used in the circuit to find out how not to have an unexpected meeting. Surely that would identify those sharing your final – it would need to be within 15-20 seconds of yours to cause a possible clash in landing run. You both should have seen each other already. Michael From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Scott Penrose Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 12:30 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing On 06/03/2013, at 11:34 AM, Michael Shirley michael.shir...@bigpond.com wrote: It would be nice to think the two aircraft had identified each other at the latest 3 minutes before landing! Sometimes radios don't work. Sometimes there is half a dozen people landing at once. Sometimes there is emergency. To rely on situational awareness and radios is not very safe. Scott ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing
On 06/03/2013, at 4:17 PM, Stuart Kerri FERGUSON s...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Scott, my Mk2 eye ball is my Flarm; it does not resolve separation problems but it can direct your attention and our Mk1 eyeball to an area in the sky that needs attention, especially as you pointed out someone approaching from behind or an unannounced modified circuit. Correct use of the radio is also part of the overall package. S.A. or Situational Awareness is essential for safe operations. Totally * S.A. in circuit - using Eyes and Radio Call * FLARM * Local procedure (which strip to land etc) * Land straight ahead. I just don't think any of the first 3 replace the 4th without high risk, low benefit. I will be landing straight ahead, and assuming that any glider either side of me might turn in front of me - always fly safe and assume the worst. Scott smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing
We could add that old saying that a superior pilot uses his/her superior knowledge so they don't need to demonstrate their superior skills; it's part of the airmanship package. Stuart FERGUSON On 06/03/2013, at 16:26, Scott Penrose sco...@dd.com.au wrote: On 06/03/2013, at 4:17 PM, Stuart Kerri FERGUSON s...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Scott, my Mk2 eye ball is my Flarm; it does not resolve separation problems but it can direct your attention and our Mk1 eyeball to an area in the sky that needs attention, especially as you pointed out someone approaching from behind or an unannounced modified circuit. Correct use of the radio is also part of the overall package. S.A. or Situational Awareness is essential for safe operations. Totally * S.A. in circuit - using Eyes and Radio Call * FLARM * Local procedure (which strip to land etc) * Land straight ahead. I just don't think any of the first 3 replace the 4th without high risk, low benefit. I will be landing straight ahead, and assuming that any glider either side of me might turn in front of me - always fly safe and assume the worst. Scott ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Taxying after Landing (Thanks)
Thanks everyone for the input regarding this topic, there has been some drift from the question I posed about landing and then taxying towards the grid (is this done for the sake of convenience?). I am not referring to landing long past the grid and then taxying off to clear the runway for traffic behind. I have done that many times to provide a clear runway for traffic behind me. i.e. down the runway, taxying away from the grid and off the runway at a shallow angle and not towards any fixed objects if the brakes decide to fail or that I have miscalculated energy management! Even so, Never assume that the glider in front of you will clear the runway for you (it is nice if they do). Sometimes something might happen to the a/c to prevent it getting of the strip in a hurry (i.e. burst tyre on landing, not enough crew to get a/c off strip quickly, a wheels up, collapsed u/c on landing etc.). Have enough energy available to overfly and land longer if possible, consider an off-field landing (if the only runway has been filled up with landing a/c) if it is safe to do so. If you have that luxury, you might elect to land on another runway at the airfield, but by aware of the other traffic. Have plan B and C up your sleeve. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] ATSB Investigations and CASA not passing on info it seems
Our CASA!! Both the below are of interest about Aviation Accident Investigation and cover ups esp CASA Submission 16 in aph.gov.au is tragic all round (far too much to read all of the submissions) and crikey.com is exposing it all. Ian M http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate_Committees?url=rrat_ctte/pel_air_2012/submissions.htm http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2013/02/15/pel-air-senate-hearing-sensation-casa-hid-key-safety-audits-from-atsb/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
