Re: [Aus-soaring] Shell 98 and fibreglass
I believe the smell could be Toluene, used as an octane booster. (Maybe) Dennis On 5/02/2015 2:29 pm, Ian Mc Phee wrote: I must admit I used epoxy resin Ciba/G 3600 and not vinyl ester. I am going to try again using vinyl ester. I am doing another trial with shell/liberty 98 and BP 98 with smell. In every case the shell smells like turps is added where as BP smells normal like you expect fuel to smell like. People are smelling the difference 100%. Some are describing the smell as paint thinners. Shell is a golden bright yellow colour where BP is more normal fuel colour. In germany they have zero issues of fuel turning clear fuel lines a real dark brown so dark you can not see brought be in 2 months. Sure happens here with liberty /shell So 98s are not the same. Ian mcphee On 04/02/2015 1:31 pm, DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com mailto:slutsw...@gmail.com wrote: I'll stick to Avgas in the BD-4 even though the 7:1 compression ratio engine (same as Super Cub) can handle unleaded from an octane rating basis. Unless things have changed, with some two strokes used in SLGs like the Solo engines, the manufacturer recommends using 95, not Avgas. The claim is that Avgas makes the engine run rougher and vibrate more than 95. It's difficult to get a real picture but a lot of the US experience, where they tend to overcompensate and use Avgas instead of 95, seems to suggest they have more problems overall, not less. Then again, they can't get the recommended Castrol 2 stroke oil either. I tend to agree with Mike here regarding resins too. It's really difficult to point your finger at the fuel without knowing more about the resins used in the layup. And the problems and expense of wing fuel bags seem to be not worth the effort. The recommendations in the manual that I have read say that they cannot be left with fuel in overnight, that they cannot be entirely drained either but need to have a small amount of oil in them. They have a very short life span (8-10 years?) and are sodding expensive to replace. Probably cheaper to replace than a fuselage mounted glass tank though! D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Registration markings
Peter,Mike, et al, GFA AN 84 1.3 (a) registration marking shall be at least 150mm high, or two thirds of the width of the surface. No VH needed if G registration of if operated in Aus. etc,etc Dennis On 8/01/2015 7:37 pm, Peter Champness wrote: Mike, *I'd replace all that verbiage in Part 45 with a requirement to have rego letters 75mm high for all aircraft both sides of the fin or fuselage and no necessity to have the VH bit if used inside Australian territory. Too simple I guess* Once again you are right, On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Yeah but close up they'll be able to see they are getting into the right glider :-) I'd replace all that verbiage in Part 45 with a requirement to have rego letters 75mm high for all aircraft both sides of the fin or fuselage and no necessity to have the VH bit if used inside Australian territory. Too simple I guess. That page you linked to was for a disallowable instrument that expired in 2013. Maybe there is a later re- issue. Mike On 8 Jan 2015, at 10:56 am, Niall Doherty t...@tpg.com.au mailto:t...@tpg.com.au wrote: Thanks all. The main thing is that nothing is required on the wings. Mike B...minimum 75mm - at the age of most glider pilots they wouldn't be able to read those from the wingtip! Regards ND - Original Message - From: wom...@netspeed.com.au mailto:wom...@netspeed.com.au Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 17:00:01 +1100 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Registration markings Niall You are correct that at present there is no requirement for registration markings under the wings on any aircraft below 5700 kg MTOW operated in Australia. The exemption was renewed in 2012 and falls due again at the end of this month: since I am not aware of any formal post-implementation review of Part 45 I would expect that it will be renewed for a further 3 years at that time. You do need to display the nationality mark VH- as well as the registration letters, in letters at least 150mm high that contrast with the background, and you do need the fireproof plate mentioned in the exemption (meeting the requirements of reg 21.820). You may also display a contest marking on the vertical fin and rudder (if the registration is marked on the fuselage sides) - many gliders, especially those with G as the first letter, use the last 2 letters of the registration for this, but others display a letter and a number, or two digits - these are becoming quite popular - for instance 36, W3, 4D, Q7, S7 are all in use. These are likely to be administered by the GFA so you should talk to the GFA airworthiness people if you want to use one of these. The convention is that if an aircraft is marked in accordance with the rules, and the4 rules later change, the markings do not require to be changed until the aircraft is next painted or refinished - so if the rules change at the end of the month and you do not have the glider marked yet, you could have to change to meet the new rules, whatever they may be (but that may be unlikely to happen). Wombat On 7/01/2015 3:00 PM, Niall Doherty wrote: All My understanding of this page http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD:1001:pc=PC_90236 is that the only requirement for markings on a glider is letters of at least 150mm high on the sides. None on the undersides of the wings. Am I right? Regards ND ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Re: [Aus-soaring] IS28/29 life extension - contact details needed
Email sent On 5/01/2015 11:04 am, brett pound wrote: Hi there, there was a thread on CQC’s final flight that had an enclosed email - that doesn’t seem to be in the archives intact. http://www.mail-archive.com/aus-soaring%40lists.internode.on.net/msg29008.html is one of the only messages I can see that has it. If anyone has the original email that was sent, I’d appreciate a forwarded copy to me at this address; failing that, does anyone know the email address for “Stan” that is mentioned ? thanks in advance Brett Sent from Windows Mail ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] : Hawaiian Pawnee tug in the drink
I reckon he spun you a line. On 25/12/2014 6:48 pm, Derek Ruddock wrote: That's the outcome of having a 'glider' add-on rating to a power licence. They only need an absolute minimum of hours before they can take rides. When I flew there, I was allowed to take the controls, after briefing the pilot on my experience (L2 instructor etc.) There was an offshore wind unfortunately, so no ridge soaring anyway, but there were thermals and we went whale watching over the bay. When I asked the pilot if I could try a spin, he gave an emphatic and terrified 'negative' followed by a lecture of the ' vicious spin characteristics' of the 2-33. When it was time to return, he flew the whole circuit at 80mph. When I asked why, he said the 'Vicious spin characteristics' of the glider required it. I reckon he had never spun anything in his life. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton Sent: Thursday, 25 December 2014 2:08 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] : Hawaiian Pawnee tug in the drink On 24 Dec 2014, at 10:11 pm, Peter (PCS3) p...@internode.on.net wrote: Great place to ridge soar unless the vog is blown in from the Big Island volcano. f/vog like when we were there. The ridge is parallel and about a klm from the runway. I visited in 2008. The commercial operation there has a clause in their ops manual saying they can't ridge soar, which was a bit disappointing. I suppose you could as a private owner, but there's no club as such. The joyflights are carried out by people with little or no gliding experience: Aerotow to 5000', float down, land. I didn't get the impression that the pilots knew or cared much about thermalling, the one I flew with was sensitive to unusual attitudes and got nervous when I slowed to thermalling speed, and didn't want to know about flying close to the rocks. Bit of a waste of a good site. It'd be great in a northerly! - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Tost Belly hook
Hi all, Does anyone have a belly hook suitable for an open Cirrus they want to sell. Cheers, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Tost Belly hook
Thanks Ian, Let me know when you get home. Dennis On 14/12/14 7:17 AM, Ian Mc Phee wrote: I think I would have a new one in stock but away in Canberra till Tuesday night. Nothing is cheap from TOST but is just list price plus delivery etc. Lever arm's can vary between installations Ian McPhee 0428847642 On 13/12/2014 9:37 pm, dennis hipperson dennishipper...@gmail.com mailto:dennishipper...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Does anyone have a belly hook suitable for an open Cirrus they want to sell. Cheers, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario
The B40 has backup power supply on the instrument. Dennis On 6/12/14 3:13 PM, Tim Shirley wrote: Hi all, Thanks heaps to people posting factual information about products of interest to soaring pilots. It is so much more useful than most of the nonsense that passes for comment here. Even if people are singing the praises of their own products, I still welcome all such information. I already have a high-end vario, so I'm not in the market for yet another magic box that will transform me into Sebastian Kawa. It didn't work with the first one either, though I am sure that is down to me. The instrument works fine. I also have a Winter vario that performs well enough as a backup but when I recently had a fuse blow in flight, I found myself with only the Winter for a couple of hours and I would have preferred a bit of audio and an averager. Of course, such a backup vario doesn't need to be complex and certainly it should not be expensive. It just needs to have a backup power supply onboard the instrument. So what are the options? Oh, and a reminder to all, I still have a very nice Discus for sale at a very reasonable price :) Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 6/12/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: Imitation is the greatest compliment. Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900. We've had the climb improving green light since the B400/B500 9 years ago and put in the comparator for the running average/thermal average as well on the B700 3 years ago and its more recent linear scale version the B900. Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes slightly when climb rate exceeds running average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA alkaline batteries for hours (power pack but no batteries included). These are also on the B600/B800 systems which have an airspeed sensor, advanced vario processing (optional netto or relative), speed to fly, glide/nav/wind computer, GPS and serial output of GPS, air data and settings to external PNA type glide computers. All our varios also have a large clear stepper motor driven pointer of extremely high resolution. The stepper allows for nearly 360 degree pointer movement (more can be confusing) giving significantly expanded scales. Most manufacturers were offering LCD pointer displays in the 1980s but nearly all have gone to stepper motor driven pointers. We looked at this around 1987 but didn't like the poor 0.4 knot resolution that was the best possible. You'd be really annoyed if say a Winter vario had a pointer that moved in half knot steps. All our instruments are available to properly fit 57mm or 80mm standard holes (adapter plates not required) and by putting the scales on the outside of the hole even the 57mm instruments have a larger, clearer display. The B600/B800 can also take our new Dynamis sensor for complete 3D real time airmass motion sensing and no horizontal gust sensitivity. Expensive (the sensor mainly), but unmatched capability. A recent customer who fitted a B800 to get an early Dynamis when available has found he likes the audio better than the one in the CAI302 it replaced and better than the LX9000 audio. Mike At 11:15 AM 6/12/2014, you wrote: Tasman Instruments have released a completely new model, the VRM 10 /Sprite/. It has a lot of new features such as elapsed time clock, recorded alarms including under carriage warning but its best feature is the way it allows you to more daily centre thermals. It also has up/down arrows showing whether the climb is improving or the need to recenter or leave the thermal. It also has tone selection, fast response and of course does not need a flask as per the previous Tasman model. I was lucky to be able to have XON as a test bed for its development and it has certainly impressed out syndicate pilots. Worth a look! Cheers David Cleland ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___
Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing
Except in this case no sucking down was evident, nor was any bouncing into the air and plunging nose first as someone mentioned. Dennis On 29/08/14 2:52 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 02:39 PM 29/08/2014, you wrote: Surely there are so many variables (fuselage shape, surface of water, C of G position, etc) that almost every case would be different. I'm sure there would be examples of gear up gear down examples succeeding and failing. Nick. It is my understanding that the point of putting the gear down is to act as a spoiler. See here: http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/spins.html#sec-teaspoon-effect http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/spins.html#sec-teaspoon-effect Think of the bottom of the fuselage as the convex side of the teaspoon in the demo and as it hits the water it gets sucked down. There is a reason that hydroplanes, flying boats and seaplane floats have a step. Mike *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing
Except in this case no sucking down was evident, nor was any bouncing into the air and plunging nose first as someone mentioned. Dennis On 29/08/14 2:52 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 02:39 PM 29/08/2014, you wrote: Surely there are so many variables (fuselage shape, surface of water, C of G position, etc) that almost every case would be different. I'm sure there would be examples of gear up gear down examples succeeding and failing. Nick. It is my understanding that the point of putting the gear down is to act as a spoiler. See here: http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/spins.html#sec-teaspoon-effect http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/spins.html#sec-teaspoon-effect Think of the bottom of the fuselage as the convex side of the teaspoon in the demo and as it hits the water it gets sucked down. There is a reason that hydroplanes, flying boats and seaplane floats have a step. Mike *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing
After looking and stopping the clip several times I think what could look like a wheel down is the shadow of the AC on the water, the sun is on the stbd side of the plane. Dennis On 30/08/14 8:49 PM, Catherine Conway wrote: I'm not convinced the wheel was up looking at that video. I think it might actually have had the wheel down. Cath On 30 Aug 2014, at 8:07 pm, dennis hipperson dennishipper...@gmail.com mailto:dennishipper...@gmail.com wrote: Except in this case no sucking down was evident, nor was any bouncing into the air and plunging nose first as someone mentioned. Dennis On 29/08/14 2:52 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 02:39 PM 29/08/2014, you wrote: Surely there are so many variables (fuselage shape, surface of water, C of G position, etc) that almost every case would be different. I'm sure there would be examples of gear up gear down examples succeeding and failing. Nick. It is my understanding that the point of putting the gear down is to act as a spoiler. See here: http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/spins.html#sec-teaspoon-effect http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/spins.html#sec-teaspoon-effect Think of the bottom of the fuselage as the convex side of the teaspoon in the demo and as it hits the water it gets sucked down. There is a reason that hydroplanes, flying boats and seaplane floats have a step. Mike *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing
And did not turn upside down nor get sucked down which appears to be the theory behind lowering the gear to stop that. This is a link to another pilot who ditched in the sea and lowered the gear and ended upside down, he surmises that the tail may have hit a wave first, but could it also be that the glider pivoted forward when the gear hit first. He has some good youtube vids and flys freight around the world.His youtube name is Balleka Cheers, Dennis On 29/08/14 8:25 AM, Paul Bart wrote: Hmmm, it is also said that the gear should be deployed. I understand this is the recommended procedure in Finland. This glider certainly did not lower his gear. Cheers Paul On 29 August 2014 08:16, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net mailto:ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Alan Precisely! A major reason for posting this link was to through doubt on the claim that gliders always submarine on water landings. Kind regards to all Bernard *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Alan Wilson *Sent:* Friday, 29 August 2014 7:17 AM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing Thanks Bernard, I hope we don't see a spate of such landings now. But to me it was useful because a fear for all would be the nose digging in leaving the cockpit under water. Options were oft discussed in Finland in 1976. I think it also implies such landings should be done with the undercarriage up. Not an option to things like Pipers and Cessna's. Perhaps options are discussed in manuals or some study somewhere. Thanks and I hope I never have to get that wet. Alan Wilson Canberra Sent from my iPad On 29 Aug 2014, at 7:36, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net mailto:ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hello all It appears to me that this glider pilot either left his field selection a little late or he wanted to imitate Captain Sullenberger! In any case, it was well done! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcsrDxOI8ccfeature=youtube_gdata_player Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing
Also found this: Landing on water: Over the years, there has been an on-going debate on whether it is better to land gear up or gear down on water. Current thought from Tom Knauff is to always land gear down. The rationale is that a water landing with gear up will result in the tail touching down first with the tail being sucked into the water. This in turn results in the nose pitching up and a higher angle of attack for the wings. Given the higher angle of attack, the glider then shoots back into the air until it stalls. Upon stalling, the nose drops down and dives steeply into the water. Put the gear down in a water landing and try to keep the tail from dropping. Dropping the gear also results in increasing water resistance, which further slows down the ship. Another water l anding aspect Tom relayed is that one always wants to land close to and parallel to the shoreline, but not so close as to hit the bottom in the event something goes wrong during the landing. You will want to maintain good aileron control for as long as possible. You do not want one of the wing tips hitting the water first at a high speed as the glider may flip. Once the glider has settled to a stop, it may float for awhile. I once saw a PIK that had been taken off the bottom of a lake and restored. This one flew better than it floated. Dennis On 29/08/14 8:25 AM, Paul Bart wrote: Hmmm, it is also said that the gear should be deployed. I understand this is the recommended procedure in Finland. This glider certainly did not lower his gear. Cheers Paul On 29 August 2014 08:16, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net mailto:ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Alan Precisely! A major reason for posting this link was to through doubt on the claim that gliders always submarine on water landings. Kind regards to all Bernard *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Alan Wilson *Sent:* Friday, 29 August 2014 7:17 AM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing Thanks Bernard, I hope we don't see a spate of such landings now. But to me it was useful because a fear for all would be the nose digging in leaving the cockpit under water. Options were oft discussed in Finland in 1976. I think it also implies such landings should be done with the undercarriage up. Not an option to things like Pipers and Cessna's. Perhaps options are discussed in manuals or some study somewhere. Thanks and I hope I never have to get that wet. Alan Wilson Canberra Sent from my iPad On 29 Aug 2014, at 7:36, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net mailto:ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hello all It appears to me that this glider pilot either left his field selection a little late or he wanted to imitate Captain Sullenberger! In any case, it was well done! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcsrDxOI8ccfeature=youtube_gdata_player Kind regards to all Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor foam
Hi Gary, I too looked at the BGA before I bought and as I recall the shipping was the fly in the ointment,so to speak, again very pricey. Dennis On 25/08/14 8:55 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: Hi Ron, Good general information here. Thanks. Re BGA pricing: Many combinations are obviously available, but I do not see anything to reflect this in the BGA shop pricing? Am I missing something here? ** As MB and others have pointed out on this website, parcel freight charges around the world (including Australia), have generally recently risen to all the market can bear ... plus a bit more. No doubt this trend will continue. Somewhat resisting this trend, British Royal Mail charges were not totally obscene the last time I checked (but that was some time ago). Never the less importing from the UK eg BGA, may still be a good option. Does anybody want to make comment on this? Regards, Gary -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Monday, 25 August 2014 7:29 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor foam www.bgashop.co.uk/index.php?_a=viewProdproductId=197 Ron S ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4007/8095 - Release Date: 08/25/14 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm
Hi Paul, How much are you after for it. Tell me about it. Dennis On 23/08/14 7:46 PM, Paul Bart wrote: Hi Denis I have an OZ Flarm for sale Cheers Paul On Aug 23, 2014 6:11 PM, dennis hipperson dennishipper...@gmail.com mailto:dennishipper...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all am looking for a second hand flarm any for sale. Regards, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Tyre
After my foam debacle I thought I would ask the list before I make my next purchase. I need a 400 x 4 tyre, anyone have a supplier. Regards, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm
Thanks Paul, Look forward to the pics. Cheers, Dennis On 23/08/14 8:58 PM, Paul Bart wrote: Hi Denis Not sure what I can say about it, it is a flarm with display, I am going up to instruct tomorrow, so I can take a picture. It is fully functional and currently in use. Not so sure about the price, new unit is $911.75. So I guess $350 may seem reasonable. Cheers Paul On Aug 23, 2014 8:50 PM, dennis hipperson dennishipper...@gmail.com mailto:dennishipper...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, How much are you after for it. Tell me about it. Dennis On 23/08/14 7:46 PM, Paul Bart wrote: Hi Denis I have an OZ Flarm for sale Cheers Paul On Aug 23, 2014 6:11 PM, dennis hipperson dennishipper...@gmail.com mailto:dennishipper...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all am looking for a second hand flarm any for sale. Regards, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm
Thanks Paul, Look forward to the pics. Cheers, Dennis On 23/08/14 8:58 PM, Paul Bart wrote: Hi Denis Not sure what I can say about it, it is a flarm with display, I am going up to instruct tomorrow, so I can take a picture. It is fully functional and currently in use. Not so sure about the price, new unit is $911.75. So I guess $350 may seem reasonable. Cheers Paul On Aug 23, 2014 8:50 PM, dennis hipperson dennishipper...@gmail.com mailto:dennishipper...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, How much are you after for it. Tell me about it. Dennis On 23/08/14 7:46 PM, Paul Bart wrote: Hi Denis I have an OZ Flarm for sale Cheers Paul On Aug 23, 2014 6:11 PM, dennis hipperson dennishipper...@gmail.com mailto:dennishipper...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all am looking for a second hand flarm any for sale. Regards, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm
Paul, Does it have SD card and flight recorder? Dennis On 23/08/14 8:58 PM, Paul Bart wrote: Hi Denis Not sure what I can say about it, it is a flarm with display, I am going up to instruct tomorrow, so I can take a picture. It is fully functional and currently in use. Not so sure about the price, new unit is $911.75. So I guess $350 may seem reasonable. Cheers Paul On Aug 23, 2014 8:50 PM, dennis hipperson dennishipper...@gmail.com mailto:dennishipper...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, How much are you after for it. Tell me about it. Dennis On 23/08/14 7:46 PM, Paul Bart wrote: Hi Denis I have an OZ Flarm for sale Cheers Paul On Aug 23, 2014 6:11 PM, dennis hipperson dennishipper...@gmail.com mailto:dennishipper...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all am looking for a second hand flarm any for sale. Regards, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
Rolf, A good price indeed, however with the foam being 32x37 (812mmx939) that would only yield 2 pieces of 412mmx469 not 4 which would therefore make each cushion $80, or have I missed something (again). Still an excellent price tho. Regards, Dennis On 20/08/14 11:26 AM, rolf a. buelter wrote: Just to clarify - the sheets and prices I cited earlier yield 4 cushions 400 X 450 mm. I purchased 7 each and freight was just over US $ 200.-. Each cushion came to A $ 40.- landed on my door step. Rgds - Rolf From: rbuel...@hotmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:48:22 +1000 I just recently bought a quantity of Sunmate from Dynamic Systems for our club and a few syndicate gliders. It costs less than Confor and for all I know same or similar material. They were very good to deal with. Transport of fluffy stuff is not cheap and it's worthwhile to combine orders. For our purpose we chose to go two layered; one layer of SunMate firm, 1, list price US $ 65.- for a piece of 32 X 37 and one layer of SunMate medium soft, 1/2, list price US $ 33.- for a piece of 32 X 37. My contact at Dynamic Systems was Ellie Brown, d...@sunmatecushions.com mailto:d...@sunmatecushions.com. Rgds - Rolf From: gstev...@bigpond.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:39:43 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam Richard, I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit might save your spine/life one day. The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again. Note that Confor is just a brand name. There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. However don't bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has pinned this supplier for you. Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA. Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic Systems Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate. You will note that there are many densities available. You will find that layers of different densities can be combined. However, as fascinating as this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this route. As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The higher the temp, the firmer the foam needs to be. Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a possible source of supply for you. Gary -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard Frawley Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz? At 06:33 AM 19/08/2014, you wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Microair M720 VHF radio service support (Michael Eales) 2. Latest virgin promo code (Justin Sinclair) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:27:37 +0800 From: Michael Eales m...@gm.harbaskin.com Subject: [Aus-soaring] Microair M720 VHF radio service support To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: CAFnuc7gwTO5S_2S1cLXzJ=sdvt2zsn90tmqq4vzwvvyxe5x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, The club recently tried to get a Microair M720 serviced with the Microair folks in Bunderberg, however we were informed that they no longer service the 720's They use to have a Best Effort approach to these radio's in the past as I believe the company inherited them with the name even though they were not the original development company. Apparently there has been a change of management and a decision was reach to no longer support these radio's. They are an old radio, but it was working fine till recently. Does anybody out there know of any other reputable service agents that has the kit to handle a M720? Thanks in advance. Michael. -- next part -- An HTML
Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
Whoops, I have just figured it out and have clearly missed something again, sorry for that and apologies. Regards, Dennis On 20/08/14 11:26 AM, rolf a. buelter wrote: Just to clarify - the sheets and prices I cited earlier yield 4 cushions 400 X 450 mm. I purchased 7 each and freight was just over US $ 200.-. Each cushion came to A $ 40.- landed on my door step. Rgds - Rolf From: rbuel...@hotmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:48:22 +1000 I just recently bought a quantity of Sunmate from Dynamic Systems for our club and a few syndicate gliders. It costs less than Confor and for all I know same or similar material. They were very good to deal with. Transport of fluffy stuff is not cheap and it's worthwhile to combine orders. For our purpose we chose to go two layered; one layer of SunMate firm, 1, list price US $ 65.- for a piece of 32 X 37 and one layer of SunMate medium soft, 1/2, list price US $ 33.- for a piece of 32 X 37. My contact at Dynamic Systems was Ellie Brown, d...@sunmatecushions.com mailto:d...@sunmatecushions.com. Rgds - Rolf From: gstev...@bigpond.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:39:43 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam Richard, I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit might save your spine/life one day. The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again. Note that Confor is just a brand name. There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. However don't bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has pinned this supplier for you. Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA. Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic Systems Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate. You will note that there are many densities available. You will find that layers of different densities can be combined. However, as fascinating as this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this route. As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The higher the temp, the firmer the foam needs to be. Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a possible source of supply for you. Gary -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard Frawley Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz? At 06:33 AM 19/08/2014, you wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Microair M720 VHF radio service support (Michael Eales) 2. Latest virgin promo code (Justin Sinclair) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:27:37 +0800 From: Michael Eales m...@gm.harbaskin.com Subject: [Aus-soaring] Microair M720 VHF radio service support To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: CAFnuc7gwTO5S_2S1cLXzJ=sdvt2zsn90tmqq4vzwvvyxe5x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, The club recently tried to get a Microair M720 serviced with the Microair folks in Bunderberg, however we were informed that they no longer service the 720's They use to have a Best Effort approach to these radio's in the past as I believe the company inherited them with the name even though they were not the original development company. Apparently there has been a change of management and a decision was reach to no longer support these radio's. They are an old radio, but it was working fine till recently. Does anybody out there know of any other reputable service agents that has the kit to handle a M720? Thanks in advance. Michael. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/2014 0819/9171d170/attachment.html
Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
Richard,Gary et al, I recently priced such foam from Cumulus and also the WA source, the foam was cheap from Cumulus BUT the shipping was horrendous such that I bit the bullet and bought from WA. They were very good to deal with. Dennis On 19/08/14 10:39 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: Richard, I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit might save your spine/life one day. The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again. Note that Confor is just a brand name. There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. However don't bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has pinned this supplier for you. Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA. Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic Systems Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate. You will note that there are many densities available. You will find that layers of different densities can be combined. However, as fascinating as this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this route. As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The higher the temp, the firmer the foam needs to be. Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a possible source of supply for you. Gary -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard Frawley Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz? At 06:33 AM 19/08/2014, you wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Microair M720 VHF radio service support (Michael Eales) 2. Latest virgin promo code (Justin Sinclair) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:27:37 +0800 From: Michael Eales m...@gm.harbaskin.com Subject: [Aus-soaring] Microair M720 VHF radio service support To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: CAFnuc7gwTO5S_2S1cLXzJ=sdvt2zsn90tmqq4vzwvvyxe5x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, The club recently tried to get a Microair M720 serviced with the Microair folks in Bunderberg, however we were informed that they no longer service the 720's They use to have a Best Effort approach to these radio's in the past as I believe the company inherited them with the name even though they were not the original development company. Apparently there has been a change of management and a decision was reach to no longer support these radio's. They are an old radio, but it was working fine till recently. Does anybody out there know of any other reputable service agents that has the kit to handle a M720? Thanks in advance. Michael. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/2014 0819/9171d170/attachment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:33:45 +1000 From: Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Subject: [Aus-soaring] Latest virgin promo code To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: 675f27b0-ef7e-460f-9242-715174681...@optusnet.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hope it helps someone out. Justin Good Afternoon All, As we move past the half-way point of another busy year, it?s important to take time out to relax and rejuvenate with friends and family. To help you do this, Revenue Management have released some amazing fares on selected domestic routes (see attached). These fares are available on our public website by entering the special promotion code KQZ59. These selected routes offer a 30% discount on Saver Lite and Saver Fares for the travel period25 August ? 17 September inclusive and will be on sale until the 31 August 2014. Remember as these are commercial fares, full terms and conditions apply as per the website and ticket purchased. Staff travel cannot assist you with bookings, changes and
Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
The figures looked like this Foam: CF47 25mmx400x400 Green CF45 12.5mmx400x400 Blue Cumulus Soaring: CF47 25x400x400 $30 CF45 12.5x400x400 $30 Freight approximately $45.95 USPS Total US$105.95 so around A$113 at todays rates Specialty Foams WA: CF47 25x400x400 $48+GST CF45 12.5x400x400 $24+GST Freight approximately $40 Total A$119.20 Shipping has become very expensive Dennis On 19/08/14 10:39 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: Richard, I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit might save your spine/life one day. The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again. Note that Confor is just a brand name. There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. However don't bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has pinned this supplier for you. Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA. Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic Systems Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate. You will note that there are many densities available. You will find that layers of different densities can be combined. However, as fascinating as this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this route. As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The higher the temp, the firmer the foam needs to be. Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a possible source of supply for you. Gary -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard Frawley Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz? At 06:33 AM 19/08/2014, you wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Microair M720 VHF radio service support (Michael Eales) 2. Latest virgin promo code (Justin Sinclair) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:27:37 +0800 From: Michael Eales m...@gm.harbaskin.com Subject: [Aus-soaring] Microair M720 VHF radio service support To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: CAFnuc7gwTO5S_2S1cLXzJ=sdvt2zsn90tmqq4vzwvvyxe5x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, The club recently tried to get a Microair M720 serviced with the Microair folks in Bunderberg, however we were informed that they no longer service the 720's They use to have a Best Effort approach to these radio's in the past as I believe the company inherited them with the name even though they were not the original development company. Apparently there has been a change of management and a decision was reach to no longer support these radio's. They are an old radio, but it was working fine till recently. Does anybody out there know of any other reputable service agents that has the kit to handle a M720? Thanks in advance. Michael. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/2014 0819/9171d170/attachment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:33:45 +1000 From: Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Subject: [Aus-soaring] Latest virgin promo code To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: 675f27b0-ef7e-460f-9242-715174681...@optusnet.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hope it helps someone out. Justin Good Afternoon All, As we move past the half-way point of another busy year, it?s important to take time out to relax and rejuvenate with friends and family. To help you do this, Revenue Management have released some amazing fares on selected domestic routes (see attached). These fares are available on our public website by entering the special promotion code KQZ59. These selected routes offer a 30% discount on Saver Lite and Saver Fares for the travel period25 August ? 17 September inclusive and will be on sale until the 31 August 2014. Remember as these are
Re: [Aus-soaring] Woodstock weak link
Visiting tugs and yes he uses the auto tow option as well. Dennis On 13/03/14 1:18 AM, Gary Stevenson wrote: Thanks Dennis. Re PR's Woodstock, you may be correct, but The Question then is : In a winch launch only club how else do you get your Woodstock into the air? Apart from the club winches, I know that Peter built a single drum reflex launch winch (using rope for the cable), quite some time ago. Do you know if this has been used? Maybe you could contact Peter on these questions - I do not have his contact details -- and let us know. Gary *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *dennis hipperson *Sent:* Thursday, 13 March 2014 12:12 AM *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Woodstock weak link Gary, Mal's is not a standard Woodstock it is 15m wingspan and has been winched, Peter does not winch launch his.AFAIK Cheers, Dennis On 12/03/14 10:58 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: Hallo Chris, Strongly suggest that you contact the people at Bendigo as per my earlier email advice. Mal and Peter will be able to tell you more than you ever want to know about this type -- THEY ARE POSSIBLY THE *_WORLD_* EXPERTS on this type! As a small aside, their two Woodstock's have been winch launching for years! Cheers, Gary *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Christopher McDonnell *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 March 2014 10:37 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Woodstock weak link Thanks Graham. I am on top of most of that and have more. It is probably 300 kg (green) but I have to have documentary proof before I placard it. A/T only, winch not allowed. have also started a bit of conflict between Burns CTO re record keeping. Paper trail on this A/C is abysmal. Mike supervised the first 4 built. Any thoughts on the ASK 21 weak link? Emailed Balaklava GC today as that is the only other club that winches an ASK 21 Chris *From:*Graham White mailto:anita_grah...@bigpond.com *Sent:*Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:23 PM *To:*'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:*Re: [Aus-soaring] Woodstock weak link Hi Chris I can't find anything either. Re. the deflections, I have only the ailerons (32deg UP, 8deg DOWN) and the elevator (20deg UP, no info for down). No rudder deflections and certainly no weak link. The plans and the construction notes are available on the web, but I guess you know that already. There was one built in Australia when Mike Burns was CTO Airworthiness (about 1987 or so) so he may have some recollections of the technical information for that aircraft. All the best Graham *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Christopher McDonnell *Sent:* Tuesday, 11 March 2014 2:05 AM *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Woodstock weak link Hi all, I have tried to find out what the Woodstock aerotow weak link should be but cannot find anything. There is no woodstock in the GFA data sheets either. I hope somebody can help. Regards Chris ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Astir CS 1000k
1000Km in a Ka6e is even more impressive. http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=326850 Dennis On 3/02/14 9:18 PM, Matthew Scutter wrote: I'm interested to know more about the standard class 1000k out and return record - 1000.86km in an Astir CS by G.J Vakkur on 8/4/77. As if an Astir wasn't impressive enough, in April?? Does anyone know where or how it was done? Perhaps someone has the relevant AG mag. Having done some googling I find an account (Soaring the bald eagle ridge) of a George Vakkur flying 1000k out and return on 7/4/77 in an Astir CS in the wave in Pennsylvania, USA which seems like too much of a coincidence to me. -matthew ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] The Sunship Game
Hi all, I'm looking for a copy of The Sunship Game anyone have a copy I can aquire?. Cheers, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] The Sunship Game
Thanks Ben and AL . Cheers, Dennis On 16/02/14 11:05 PM, Al @ Go Soaring wrote: Hi Dennis, I have copies of Sunship Game on Go Soaring. Cheers, Al Go Soaring - Why should the birds have all the fun! www.gosoaring.com.au http://www.gosoaring.com.au 07 5499 4636 / 0405 497 595 On 16 Feb 2014, at 21:08, Ben Loxton blox...@gmail.com mailto:blox...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dennis, You can buy the DVD from Paul at Cumulas Soaring! http://cumulus-soaring.com/videos.htm#SunShipGame Cheers, Ben *Ben Loxton* Melbourne, Australia +61 417 421 650 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:22 PM, dennis hipperson dennishipper...@gmail.com mailto:dennishipper...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a copy of The Sunship Game anyone have a copy I can aquire?. Cheers, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Email address wanted
Does anyone have an email or phone # for Don Able of DDSC, if so please reply off list. Regards, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 1980 Komet Trailer
Carac trailers in Dandenong have a huge selection of lengths and strengths. http://www.carac.com.au/ Dennis Grant Hudson wrote: Cheers, the strut isn't weak...it appears to bind up at about the 1/2 extended position on the way open. Regards, Grant. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:48 PM, JR jma99...@bigpond.net.au mailto:jma99...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Grant, I reckon there is a place in adelaide that recharges gas struts,cant remember where though. regards JR - Original Message - *From:* Grant Hudson mailto:granthuds...@gmail.com *To:* AusSoaring mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:57 PM *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] 1980 Komet Trailer Hi all, anyone have the technical specifications for the gas struts used on a 1980 Komet glass top clamshell trailer? Ones failed on our LS4 trailer and the labels can't be read. Regards, Grant. -- Grant Hudson ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Grant Hudson 23 Ronda Ave, Roseworthy, SA, 5371 (H) (08) 8524 8716 (M) 0407 605 128 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3003 - Release Date: 07/14/10 04:36:00 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 100 Year anniversary of gliding in Australia
See: http://www.deepsky.com/~firstflight/Pages/gpage6.html for the Smithsonian conspiracy as it's called. Dennis -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of DMcD Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2009 12:53 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 100 Year anniversary of gliding in Australia George Augustine Taylor created Australian aviation history on North Narrabeen beach in 1909, with the first glider flight. On 5th December of that year he was aboard a biplane glider when a stronger gust of wind released the tethers from the hands of four assistants. Taylor soared free above the sands for the first time in Australia. A re-enactment is scheduled to be conducted on the 100th anniversary of that seminal event, at the very same location. This was a nationally significant event that occurred through the endeavours of a small group of passionate believers in the development of aviation for Australia. As such, we owe those pioneers a fitting commemoration, and one that will demonstrate to our descendents the importance of this momumental achievement. There's some controversy about this. Was it Taylor or Hallstrom who was the first to fly? And where did this flight actually take place? It is difficult to see Narrabeen today and imagine that the flight took place on that beach, though no doubt it has changed enormously since 1909. Allan Ash's brilliant book called something like the history of Australian Gliding states that it was Hallstrom who first flew the glider he built. The Lake Keepit club website has an opinonated rant on this. http://www.keepitsoaring.com/LKSC/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=97Itemid=72 It's an interesting, amusing and somehow typically amusing side note to aviation history that the Smithsonian denied the Wright Bros claim to be the first to achieve controlled sustainable flight and supported their old mate Langley. As a result, the Wright Flyer was given to the Science Museum in the UK until about 1928 when the French and the English protested enough that the Smithsonian withdrew the ridiculous Langley claim. However relics of this bias still exist in some Smithsonian publications. Farnborough apprentices built a replica of the Flyer and returned the original to the US. Or so they claim. My hope is that the original still remains South Kensington and the one returned was the relic. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Avalon Airshow
I heard you both have,..And together whats more. Dennis Patching wrote: Yes you have - Original Message - *From:* JR mailto:jma99...@bigpond.net.au *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Avalon Airshow Well I never JR - Original Message - *From:* Patching mailto:patch...@westnet.com.au *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Cc:* Baylee Roberts mailto:bay...@adam.com.au ; Brian Bailey mailto:bcbai...@bigpond.com ; John Callahan mailto:johntcalla...@bigpond.com ; Andrew Rigby mailto:treasu...@vmfg.org.au ; Alan Payne mailto:jan...@ozemail.com.au ; Rowan White mailto:row...@infoxchange.net.au *Sent:* Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:38 PM *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Avalon Airshow Hello all, Apart from the tragics who have already contacted me, (Nigel), is anyone else on this list planning to attend the airshow and do you require accomodation at Bacchus Marsh? Same deal as last time, this time Nigel you can have a room, promise of a good time, (I found JRs number on the back of a door and left an invite for him). At least what I can remember from last time people had a great time! Same deal with passes as well. Cheers Patch. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Vintage and beautiful or old and ugly.
For those that are interested there is a brief history of this restoration and a picture at: http://www.bendigogliding.org.au/Main/ImageGallery Cheers, Dennis Mike Borgelt wrote: At 10:30 AM 21/12/2008, you wrote: Congratulations Ian on return to service of Ka6. Nice to see some refreshing news on this site in regards to aircraft restoration instead of the usual Blanik/PW5/anything under 40 to1 bashing that wastes so much space at times. I also returned our clubs Arrow to service yesterday,probably much to the digust of some who would rather use the wood for a BBQ and insert a new private (plastic) toy in its hanger space. Would be much the same as sending your MG to the wreckers because it was old and cant keep up with your commodore. The K6e was surely the last classic wooden glider. Probably performs about the same as a PW5 although I got an argument about that last night from a former K6e owner over dinner. The next question is PW5. Why? Was it a mistake or did they do it deliberately? Because if it was a mistake, maybe there's something we can do about it. This is a very relevant question. This was done over some years at the top level of the IGC. There doesn't seem to be anything to stop a similar bad decision being made nowadays. It wasn't as though lots of people didn't express their concerns before this happened. And it is ugly. They should have put the wings on an SZD55 fuselage, or just chosen the SZD55 or LS4 etc etc etc. BTW I took the trouble to fly one when I had the chance. Spent 1.5 hours in it on the ridge at Whaharoa. This contrasted nicely with the 1.5 hours I spent right after that on the same ridge in a Ventus CT 17.6. Same experience at twice the speed and no concern about getting back to the airfield. I doubt there was any deliberate attempt to make it ugly. Never ascribe to malice what can be put down to incompetence. Although I did see a statement once to the effect sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice. Certainly in its effects on the sport. Still people wonder why gliding continues to lose participants. BTW whose idea was it to give a penalty for straight in landings at the Grand Prix in an attempt at spectator appeal? What were they thinking? As a result in the first 2 days there I saw 3 examples of extremely poor airmanship relating to this rule and heard another example on the radio. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Old Joke
And while we're at it I wish Mike would just come out and say what he thinks for a change instead of holding back. :-) Dennis Christopher Mc Donnell wrote: sensorship, don't worry about Big Brother Ben, the spelling pOlicE are gunna b after U :-) - Original Message - From: Ben Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Old Joke Dont worry about sensorship Mike, the last email would have just tripped some government Big Brother flags. Don't answer your front door for a while 8-) Ben - Original Message - From: Mike Borgelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Old Joke ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!
Hi All, Here is some info on single drum winches and a retrieve winch currently in use at Terlet, written by one of the guys on the winch design forum. Dennis Skylaunch was just in the Netherlands to deliver their Skylaunch 2 to the Dutch National Gliding Center in Terlet which Terlet is using now in conjunction with their retreive winch replacing their 4 6 drum Van Gelders. Terlet has put more than a thousand launches onto the Skylaunch in a matter of a few weeks with the hourly launch rates right away being significantly higher than with the Van Gelders on their best days, even with drivers in training. They seem to be happy campers with what they got . I for one would be very interested in a comparative winch launching exercise. After getting the retrieve winch Terlet dropped the VanGelders as main winches because they could not cope with the high frequency single drum launches. http://www.terlet.org/nieuwsbrief/OPERATIONEEL%20NIEUWS%20SKYLAUNCH.pdf http://www.terlet.org/nieuwsbrief/OPERATIONEEL%20NIEUWS%20SKYLAUNCH.pdf The first paragraph and the bordered text box are a summary of their experience so far of running their new Skylaunch 2 with their Skylaunch retrieve winch (newsletter is from May 21st). Here the highlights of the first paragraph: - Terlet has now used the new Skylaunch winch system on their T-strip for several weeks - The Praxis shows that the systems works very well - The many advantages they thought they would have with introducing the new system were realized - They have achieved higher start frequencies, less waiting and better and higher launches - Last Sunday (referring to May 18th I believe) they achieved 25 launches in one hour - No surprise that the first impressions of the two schools and the private owners are very positive. - The Skylaunch system is a winner for Terlet The bordered text box says more or less the following: - Since the introduction of the Skylaunch system they have not had a single cable break (about 1500 launches) - Any cable breaks/disruptions they have had were with the retrieve winch, caused by operator error(?), they are working hard on that After that they cover the operational adjustments/ changes (OPERATIONELE AANPASSINGEN) that have been necessary to ensure a safe and efficient operation based on the experience gained with the new system. I won't get into detail, you should probably ask a Dutch native speaker to translate that properly if you want a translation of the new operating procedures ;-) The bordered text box at the bottom of page 4 says more or less the following: - Terlet has had the world premiere (outside England) of a unique winch system. The future is now happening at Terlet. Together we can be a model for the soaring world with the Skylaunch winch system! Also have a look at page 5, it doesn't really need any translation. Imagine you have a launch every 2 - 3 minutes, you gotta have your logistics down to sustain that kind of launch rate. Most of the line up on the left is for launching with the retrieve winch, the line up on the right side of the retrieve winch is for aero tow, TMG I believe refers to the lineup for the motorglider school. Landingsveld is the landing strip for everybody. Boxes 1 through 5 are for winch launching, box 6 and 7 are for aerotow, they actually use quite funny labels for the boxes: 1 - Startbox (in the cockpit, canopy closed and cockpit checks done) 2 - Get In (getting into the cockpit done) 3 - I'm going flying (all gliders inside the box, pilots push gliders into box 2) 4 - I would like to fly (gliders are lined up(?), pilots push gliders into box 3) 5 - I want in between (used only with authorization of chief ops e.g. if someone had a cable break(?)) 6 - I'm going aero towing 7 - I would like to go aero towing In the top part of page 5 it says that they were able to achieve 20 launches per hour on their second day of operation, 4 more than before (probably referring to launching with their old 6 drum Van Gelder). In case you are interested, the coordinates for Terlet in Google Earth are 52° 3'45.00N, 5°55'14.00E They commonly launch from the SW corner, that is also what the setup on page 5 refers to. You can actually see the old Van Gelder winch inside the tree area past the N edge of the field, their normal run must be between 1200 and 1300 m. You can also see a glider being launched, it must be pretty close to the release point (235 m SE of the winch over the field). Markus Graeber ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info-Lasham demo
That is of course the retrieve winch , not the launch winch. Dennis Nigel Andrews wrote: An example of winch at the glider end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlAMPb_IqaM Nig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Wilson Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2008 12:35 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info I had quite a few inquiries about the auto-tow system (it's sold) so I thought I'd put the info for the yahoo pulley launching group here. There is some good info on pulley launching for anyone considering this. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pulleylaunch/ If you'd like to talk to someone local who's using it Boonah club in Qld have built and used an auto-tow. Cheers, Greg. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Canopy Latch Mechanism Wanted - Std Libelle 201B
Good luck Mark, I posted the same request around a year ago and got no replies. If you get more than one offered I am still interested in one. Dennis Mark Bower wrote: I'm seeking a complete Libelle canopy latch mechanism for an existing canopy frame to be fitted to my AUS based Std Libelle. Please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with details, expected price, etc. Regards, Mark Bower ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] RE pawnee engine option
Of course you could also use LPG. Robert your C5 using 6Lt/100Km would cost you $9.88 /100Km in Melbourne with the current fuel price of $1.64Lt My 4lt Falcon on LPG uses 12.5 Lt/100km costing $7.61/100Km with the current price of 60.9cLt. Dennis http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/retail/diesel/national.htm Robert Hart wrote: Jim Staniforth wrote: What is the current price of diesel versus mogas in Australia? In the US, the fuel companies have figured out that they can charge more for diesel than even premium gasoline. For example, at the moment I'm in Las Vegas where regular mogas is about $3.65US per US gallon, premium mogas around $3.90, and diesel $4.35. These figures are $.25 or so less than at home in California. Truckers and those who paid extra for diesel vehicles are furious, as we all know diesel fuel is more easily produced. It's a matter of time before this daylight robbery happens in Australia, if it hasn't already. If so, this throws the economic advantage of diesel out the window and all you're left with is a bad smell. Not quite true. Yes, here in Aus we have diesel prices that are about 15-25c higher than petrol. but (at least in my 2.0 litre turbo diesel Citroen C5) I am still saving money compared to the Mazda Tribute (2.6 litre, petrol), despite that higher price. Towing Alice in her trailer on the highway I average about 8 litres/100km (without the trailer I get 6 litres/100km) whereas with the Mazda I got about 10 litres/100km (no trailer) and 13 litres/100km (with trailer). Having experienced the fuel consumption (yet still sporty performance) of these engines in a hire car in Europe, this was a major determinant for me when I switched cars last year. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] diesel pricing
Don't forget that in NZ on top of the Diesel pump price you must pay a user tax for Diesel powered cars as well and display the sticker on the windscreen. Dennis Wayne Carter wrote: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 00:57:03 +1000 From: stuart smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RE pawnee engine option To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Interestingly, I am in Singapore right now (isn't that where our price for Crude oil is set) and I am looking at a Shell station with unleaded at SG$2.01 and diesel at SG$1.58. In real terms the unleaded is about AUD$1.66 and diesel is AUD$1.30. If only I could buy diesel at that price for my new turbo diesel that I got last week. Stuart Interesting indeed, Stuart! The price of diesel in Melbourne, also in Auckland is around $1.58/ litre Melbourne ULP $1.36 Auckland ULP $$1.89 What is the go there? Wayne Carter ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] BINATONE X350 GPS
To the person who is using/playing with this product, could they please email me off list. Cheers, Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Alice Springs movie
Has anyone taped this documentary, is there a copy available?? Dennis Adam Woolley wrote: Good to see that the winch from 'Wings across the center' is still there - love that doco! Wonder when it'll be shown on TV again?? For those of you that haven't heard of 'Wings Across the Center', it's a documentry on Hans Werner Grosse attempting massive flights out of the Alice Airport in his ASW-17. W3 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 07:15:36 +0930 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Alice Springs movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvTUDVLMSeI We got geeks in Alice too. Da boys made a movie. Blaniks rule Simon ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Grab it. You dream job is up for grabs. http://mycareer.com.au/?s_cid=596065%20 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ka 6 E 1045 km
how come the igc file seems to be for an Elfe S4?? Dennis Mal Bruce wrote: http://www3.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/getScoring.html?scoringId=200pilotId=18110 http://www3.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?flightId=1397036202 Mal http://narromineglidingclub.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Family Tow Car
Re: Fuel price in NZ. Current price of ULP in Auckland $1.59 Current price of diesel in Auckland $1.09 Consider a 1000Km trip with trailer. Fuel useage based on Cathrine Conways figures Petrol car 13lt 100Km = 130 lt = $206.7 Diesel vehicle 13lt 100Km = 130lt = $141.7 + $30 = $171.7 So Aus diesel is FULLY taxed and then some at source? Dennis Jonoh wrote: Re In New Zealand diesel fuel is considerably cheaper than petrol. The reason why is something of a mystery. On this side of the Tasman diesel fuel is fully taxed at source. In NZ this is not the case and operators of diesel fuelled vehicles (including cars, 4WDs etc) pay a separate road user charge. This is distance based and purchased in multiples of 1000km. For cars this is about $30 per 1000km I think. - Original Message - *From:* Terry Neumann mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:25 AM *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Family Tow Car G'day Richard, Whatever you get - and there has been plenty of advice so far - look for a vehicle with sufficient weight (and this probably means size) to able to remain the dominant influence in the towing combination. I know of several road dramas with gliding trailers where the towing car had the horsepower - but not the weight - to allow the driver to be in totally charge of what was happening all of the time, and things went badly wrong when the trailer took over.There were probably other factors in the instances I recall, but the common question in those mentioned was a towing vehicle which on reflection, was probably on the smaller (lighter) side of what perhaps should have been used. The downward force on the hitch is a function of how the trailer is loaded. Most vehicles have a section in the manual about towing limitations and suggested weights for both the trailer itself, and the load at the coupling. All of these things are important in managing the stability and therefore the safety of the combination. An incorrectly loaded trailer appears to have been the major factor in one mishap with an otherwise reasonable combination of vehicle and glider trailer some years ago. Diesel engines are worth considering, especially in recent years. They provide plenty of lugging power for towing, and a turbocharger assists considerably in providing better performance and fuel economy. There is another worthwhile benefit in having a diesel vehicle. Unlike their modern petrol engine counterparts, diesel vehicles usually do not have a catalytic converter in the exhaust system.This means that as a general rule they are much less likely to start a fire when driven into standing stubble or long grass, a potentially useful feature when retrieving in the fire danger season.The obvious downside is that the fuel is more expensive and does not seem to be subject to discounting wars to the same degree as ULP. In New Zealand diesel fuel is considerably cheaper than petrol. The reason why is something of a mystery. As in most situations, the final choice of vehicle may well be something of a compromise. Regards, Terry ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Chuckle
Actually I heard it in the AIR FORCE many long years ago. Dennis Ben Jones wrote: That line is actually a ARMY line. and never laugh at the sargent who says it to you it snowballs back.. - Original Message - *From:* Christopher Mc Donnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:50 AM *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Chuckle Mark Rowe said: Please dont call me Mr, thats my dad. Watched the first episode of that patrol boat type show the other night to see what it was like and was not impressed but a Petty Officer (Sgt) came out with a great one liner to a rating who called him Sir. Don't call me Sir. I work for a living. Apologies to current or ex Naval officers on the list. ;-) Chris McDonnell ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Promoting Gliding
Yep absence of the word noted. Ahhhang on a minute :-D Derek Ruddock wrote: majority of existing pilots would be severely disadvantages by such a shift. (Note the absence of the word paradigm J) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences
That scenario has nothing to do with drug tests :-) Dennis simon holding wrote: JR - it's a changed world. We is now subject to drug tests. The vision of Leigh Bunting stepping out of his Grunau, and being accosted by a lab coat wearing functionary (yourself)looking for a urine sample at Bordertown Vintage Rally, is something you chaps may need to embrace in the future.. SH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 7:34 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences Simon, I hope you have fun and enjoy your flying at the pre worlds, stay in touch with the left and write wongs, Quote I heard whilst flying one day Get High, Fly fast JR - Original Message - From: simon holding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences And the shop steward at the Uni said I could get a really cheap deal on the Spel Cheque. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of simon holding Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 3:41 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences I am a current student - at Adelaide. Can't afford the bar prices. Gliding Club is elitist. The rest of the mob all look too fit. But I would like to join the Union :) :) except the food is ratshit. Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shirley Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 3:04 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences Many, many, years ago is about right for me too! In the late 50s Sydney Uni provided night lectures in economics (was working full time) so uni life amounted to dinner in the Men's Union and waving to the driver leaving the parking space you coveted. The only way to utilise the other facilities was to give up sleeping! Paying the fees was difficult indeed. Cheers Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ashford, John Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 3:22 PM To: Tom Wilksch; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences Many Many years ago when I went I resented the compulsory fees and saw no advantage. It appeared to benefit the party people and didn't add anything to my limited academic experience. Of course at this time I was working full time and really didn't have time for the other things. regards John Ashford Maintenance Supervisor, Dullingari / Cross Border Santos Ltd PO Box 1010 Bne 4001 Ph 08 8678 4751 Fax 08 8678 4740 Mob 0409 679 867 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Wilksch Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 13:49 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences Well as I said, unless you are a current student at Uni, its a bit hard for you to gauge the affect. Yes the services are avaliable in the 'real world' and unsurprisingly they have filled the gap for the most part. In doing so they have killed the campus life. You do _not_ go to Uni for just a degree! You go for the friends, the atmosphere and the environment. I wouldn't normally make a point of this, but I do get very sick of people making these judgements when they simply havent experienced the results. Any other students on the list care to comment? Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Borgelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Wilksch [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences At 01:30 PM 7/06/2007, you wrote: Obviously the GFA position was based on sheer greed and protecting the revenue, bit like trade unions, student unions etc which we've thankfully stopped. Mike Thankfully stopped? I think maybe you should try being a student at Uni since VSU has come in before you make comments like that. Tom Yes, thankfully stopped. I meant what I said. If a student union can't convince people to join without coercion it has no business being. You go to uni to do a course, get a degree. Having the uni administration refuse to give you the degree you've earned because you won't join the union is thuggery of the first order. The so called services provided by student unions are available in the real world
Re: [Aus-soaring] accident rate for gliders in Australia
Perhaps it should be renamed Landing Check, then it would not matter if you are downwind to land or straight in it's a Landing check. Which is surely the point of the check. What think you. Dennis Matthew Gage wrote: Exactly why a rigid downwind check is not a good idea, but training to have the glider in the correct configuration for phase of flight is. In an ideal world, the 2 coincide. When they don't, expect trouble. I wonder how many wheel up incidents are preceded by no downwind leg ? On 26/04/2007, at 8:52 AM, Peter Stephenson wrote: ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Libelle Canopy Lock
Ok you blokes, Now you've all had your fun and just to change the sugject away from bodily functions and avoiding an accident with Flarm whilst you look inside the cockpit to put you thing in the cockpit as it were. I'm still looking for all or part of a Libelle canopy lock Cheers, Dennis Robert Hart wrote: Dennis Hipperson wrote: Does anyone have a complete libelle canopy lock they can spare. Does this mean you can actually lock Libelle pilots into their gliders? Now there's a thought... ...(humming the GS tune from the Mikado I've got a little list...) :-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Hydration - unloading
Make mental note never fly under MG . But of course with Flarm you would know if there was anyone in the vicinity BTW.I suppose you use yellow crystals Dennis PTB wrote: Put jelly crystals in the bag! Makes a firm(ish) pleasant smelling mass, eliminates risk of spillage... Matthew Gage wrote: Get a bigger (and thicker) bag than you think – I use large ziplock freezer bags, but don’t zip them – twist the top after filling, and throw downwards through the window. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Book Idea
Stuart Kerri FERGUSON wrote: The Libelle Canopy lock topic got well of trackwas it resolved. Not as yet. Dennis ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Libelle Canopy Lock
Does anyone have a complete libelle canopy lock they can spare. Cheers, Dennis Hipperson ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NASA, a Super Blanik and Dynamic Soaring
Mike try here. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=deu=http://www.lfm.mw.tum.de/lfm_sources/albatros.htmlsa=Xoi=translateresnum=7ct=resultprev=/search%3Fq%3Dalbi2.mpg%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DtY8 Dennis Mike Borgelt wrote: At 05:50 PM 17/01/2007, you wrote: I've done a lot dynamic soaring with model gliders and it is a real rush. The idea is not to build altitude, rather build energy which in turn can then be transformed into altitude. The redcord for models is now around 360 miles an hour. VERY FAST! Chad Nowak Chad, Do you have a URL where this is described? Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] SA govt has the absolute Gawl(er)/sunnies du jour
G'day all, If you are happy with your non prescription sunnies but having trouble seeing the PDA or the instruments these will help http://www.hydrotaclenses.com.au/ Dennis Adam Woolley wrote: G'day Mitch After owning or using Oakley, Ray Bans and Eagle Eyes, I've found that... ...a pair of Serengeti's are key. The 'sedona' lens is absolutely superb for cloud (and anything for that matter) definition, I also find it easier to find birds and rising tufts of stubble. They are a rose coloured lens, and find that things are also very bright. After wearing them for a few days, you dont notice the rose coloured world anymore. My lens were just plain, ie, without the polorization($300). Add $80 for polorized lens. If you can afford a second pair, then get the 'drivers gradient' lens. I find these are excellent for blue days, as it's easier to find/see the haze domes/caps. This lens is a brown lens with a gradient down to light brown. The top for looking out, the bottom part of the lens for looking at the instruments.. ($280) On the other hand, my father Chris would say that he's never come across a better pair of sunnies (in his 25+years of gliding) than the 'Eagle Eyes'. There's two lens I believe, Dad, can you let us know which ones you have. For memory there the brown lens, not the bright orange ones.. Regards Adam 'W3' From: Mitchell Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] SA govt has the absolute Gawl(er)/sunnies du jour Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:05:33 +1100 I'd like to add my support to the ASC's negotiations with the SA govt. Gawler was where in 1973, as a 12 year-old kid from the North Coast of NSW who only knew of howling nor' easters, I discovered real thermals. Going up at 10 kts in a club K13 felt like I'd been strapped to the pointy bit of a Saturn V booster rocket! Our wonderful corner of the sport aviation sandpit seems to be under increasing pressure; a threat in the form of roadworks is yet another tentacle on the 'great squid' of anti-soaring activity. On a different topic, I once again dare to ask a question of the forum (still mulling over the great response regarding GPS/PDA units etc): what sort of sunnies do you wear when indulging in some 'segelflug'? I'm in the market for some new sunnies (new prescription) and see that there are some supposedly good flying brands about. Serengeti is one as well as the time-honoured Raybans, Rodenstocks, Zeiss, Bolle and so on. Answers on the back of a UV ray please and no hi-jacking the thread for sedition or pyramid selling! ; )) Cheers, Mitch. On 28/11/2006, at 1:27 PM, Phil wrote: Hi all The proposed road will indeed impact heavily on the operations at Gawler. Transport SA held a meeting at the club 2 weeks ago to inform us of their proposal and to outline how we will be compensated. The summary is that we will lose 20-30% of our runway lengths and the road will cut off the existing infrastructure from the remains of the airfield. The trotting complex adjacent to the airfield is being wiped out. Transport SA has told us they will relocate the buildings on the field. As for how, and how much, those details are not yet determined. They have stated that they would like the negotiation phase to be completed by May '07. The Adelaide Soaring Club is the manager of the airfield. The Light Regional council is the owners. The Light council was given the field by the Federal government under a deed of transfer which states that they must keep the field operational! In addition to the ASC, we have a strong aircadet movement plus about 50 private aircraft operating from the field. They are a mix of microlights, gliders, motorgliders, ultralights and GA. We as managers have to take their requirements into consideration as well. The ASC has formed a small working group to put together a proposal which we can then take back to the owners of the airfield and Transport SA. We are looking at all the things suggested on the list and have been assisted by John Summers, an ex ASC member, civil engineer with extensive experience in major road projects (and soon to be airfields officer for GFA). I don't want to go into too much detail at this time but of course we are going to try and make the best out of this. Needless to say this is going to be a big project and take a great deal of time and effort. Philip Ritchie ASC President Australian Gliding Grand Prix Convenor Chair of NEWP (Northern Expressway Working Party) Full time veterinarian in my own business ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please...
There are several PDA's with both SD and CF slots,I use an Ipaq 2210. If you use a CompactFlash GPS and a SD card all are powered from the PDA whereas if you use Bluetooth you need another power cable or trust that the battery in it will last for the flight. Dennis Ipaq 2210,CompactFlash..GlobalSat BC 307, XCSoar Alan Wilson wrote: Mitch, There are many options depending on what you want to do. PDA, preferably with internal GPS. Mitac Mio 350/550 or Mio A701 include GPS, PDA, triband phone, but will blow your budget. Without GPS, ipaq 4700 was good, but out of production, and required external GPS, a pain! So would HP 2490, 2790, 2110, 1950, 1710, and they have a silly little proprietary plug for data and power [but the HP plug is almost a standard]. The GPS would consume the SDIO or . Slot so external/additional memory card may be a problem. Software, GPS_LOG, XCSoar are quite good, and FREE [just Google]. SeeU/Winpilot and others cost several hundred dollars. [Powered pilots should check out FREE PocketFMS, it downloads ERSA, airspace, weather, and flight plans then is simple and useful in the cockpit] I use a HP 6515 as my phone, PDA, camera and internal GPS: but the screen is too small for most software, and the micro QWERTY keyboard is a waste of space, and an old eye test, and needs 5 volts. [But I only carry the one toy HP 6515, and it is almost indispensable to me] Logging. PDA and the above software will produce IGC files but not to FAI requirements. But good enough for bar talk, or your O/O [maybe] Voltage, they are all 5 volts and could contain some smarts [i.e. don't take 5V DC?? Not sure??] Aircraft [Garmin] type GPS are useful but don't calculate Macready, final glides around turnpoints, and don't log [to IGC??] So designers: what we want is a large screen [at least Ipaq 4700 size], internal GPS essential, plenty of internal memory, able to take 24 [30?] volt DC, USB or mini USB connection, a memory card, touch screen functionality and we don't need a keyboard. Mitch, the Jantar has a 12 v cigarette lighter and RAM mount [I put it there]. Other club gliders don't have power available. Alan Wilson Ph 02 62316404 or Mobile 0416 231641 PS. Most glider radio problems are low voltage. Radio's fail below about 10.5 volts and we start with 12 volts. If gliders started with 24 volts, and instrument power supplies were designed for it most glider battery problems would be solved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitchell Preston Sent: Tuesday, 7 November 2006 9:02 PM To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please... Groutings forum, I'm toying with the notion of buying a GPS unit; budget around $500. What makes and models may be recommended by your good selves? Sandshoe fairy mulch, Mitch Preston. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] K1W1 PW5
Mike Cleaver wrote: Sorry.. this is not Murray Wardell the PW5 record claimant. This pilot's name is Eduard Devonoges and the location looks like the Piako gliding clubs field at Matamata. (Know the pilot and field) :) And he's not THAT old.. Dennis At 22:45 9/05/2006, you wrote: This is crazy. This months 'photo of the month' in kiwi gliding land is the one attached... What sort of image are they trying to portray - the PW5, the blue blocker sunnys, the flannel hat what the!? If you go to www.gliding.co.nz you will see that one of their pilots has just set a distance-via-3TPs record of 600.1 km. World record in PW5 class!!. Took him 9 hours, never got above 3500 ft and mostly around 1500 ft. Not bad for a low scratch even if it was rock-polishing! If this photo is the same bloke no wonder he looks happy - though I'd be surprised if it was taken at the end of that flight!! Wombat ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Re: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 31, Issue 25
I do, and have used it also in the UK, I like it better than Destinator. Have not tried Sensis. It's available for PDA. Dennis Wayne Carter wrote: Does anyone use TomTom in Australia, as opposed to Sensis mapping? Its very popular in the US but I cant seem to find mapping/software information for a PDA, only the full kit is available with screen , etc. Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] metric guess
The one I just measured is 7/8 UNF. Dennis John Giddy wrote: Wouldn't be Whitworth. May be BSF. It's too fine a pitch to be Whitworth IMHO John G. stuart smith wrote: I believe that whether its a 2 or 50mm ball, the thread on the bottom to attach it to the tongue is still 7/8 Whitworth. Stuart ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
