[Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics
and you cant do that under 1000 feet. All bets are off if it is an emergency. You need to do what is safe and appropriate. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics
But surely practicing low level launch failure is not an emergncy as such, it has been created, personally I would do what ever was needed, and be safe,even a downwind landing. JR - Original Message - From: Texler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics and you cant do that under 1000 feet. All bets are off if it is an emergency. You need to do what is safe and appropriate. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics
But surely practicing low level launch failure is not an emergency as such. That is true, and some might say that intentionally doing it is against the regs (and not worth the risk). But in a real emergency, agreed, do what is safe and appropriate... ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics
What ever happened to landing straight ahead within 30 Deg of the runway centre line for a cable break simulated or not. Teaching students to whip a beast around after they have buggered around and lost airspeed is fatal in my opinion. Ben and you cant do that under 1000 feet. All bets are off if it is an emergency. You need to do what is safe and appropriate. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics
Ben, Although this thread started in a very different place, winch cable breaks (as opposed to aerotow cable breaks), -which I assume you are talking about - are a different kettle of fish entirely - for a start they occur quite routinely. Nevertheless, after 80 odd years the procedures to deal with a winch cable break are well documented, and work well if followed. Gary - Original Message - From: Ben Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics What ever happened to landing straight ahead within 30 Deg of the runway centre line for a cable break simulated or not. Teaching students to whip a beast around after they have buggered around and lost airspeed is fatal in my opinion. Ben and you cant do that under 1000 feet. All bets are off if it is an emergency. You need to do what is safe and appropriate. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1665 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 7:00 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics
I'm talking about low level aerotow cable breaks, I have no winch experience. In my 15ish years of gliding I have seen 3 LOW level real cable breaks, had the displeasure of experiencing a high level real cable break, and have seen (from the ground ) 2 tost premature releases below 200ft within a week of each other. If people say aerotow cable breaks or launch failures of any kind will never happen then politly walk away from them as they will influence your thinking and one day possibly help accelerate you death. 8-) Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- Ben, Although this thread started in a very different place, winch cable breaks (as opposed to aerotow cable breaks), -which I assume you are talking about - are a different kettle of fish entirely - for a start they occur quite routinely. Nevertheless, after 80 odd years the procedures to deal with a winch cable break are well documented, and work well if followed. Gary - Original Message - From: Ben Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics What ever happened to landing straight ahead within 30 Deg of the runway centre line for a cable break simulated or not. Teaching students to whip a beast around after they have buggered around and lost airspeed is fatal in my opinion. Ben and you cant do that under 1000 feet. All bets are off if it is an emergency. You need to do what is safe and appropriate. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics
Sorry for the confusion Cable break should have read Rope Break Ben Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics Ben, Although this thread started in a very different place, winch cable breaks (as opposed to aerotow cable breaks), -which I assume you are talking about - are a different kettle of fish entirely - for a start they occur quite routinely. Nevertheless, after 80 odd years the procedures to deal with a winch cable break are well documented, and work well if followed. Gary What ever happened to landing straight ahead within 30 Deg of the runway centre line for a cable break simulated or not. Teaching students to whip a beast around after they have buggered around and lost airspeed is fatal in my opinion. Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics
I had a rope break on my first day of flying. Yep first day, never flown anything before, and there I am in the air a few hundred feet and had a rope break. I was a newbie so I don't remember exactly how high we were, but I know we were too low to turn or return, and ended up outlanding in the paddock across from the airfield. Then, while we were de-rigging the glider (an IS28 - yet another great experience on my first day) some friendly helpers told us students Oh yeah, happens all the time, lucky if we can get 5 launches on a rope - and at the time we believed him... I should end the story with what happened last. Which was me and my instructor (Jim Barton) sharing a couple of bottles of Red :-) I was hooked :-) Scott ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics
...2 tost premature releases I guess it can happen, but it would be interesting to know when those releases had last been tested, and exactly the condition they were in at the time of the incidents. No doubt you have read Eugene Blunt's article Behind the Yellow Handle in the Sept 2008 edition of Soaring Australia, which gives a good overview of Tost releases, and the proposed availability of a new tester. Eugene refers to AD 277, which is THE essential document for checking and adjusting Tost releases. Your description below 200 ft could mean almost anything from 1ft to 199 ft, but no doubt the pilots followed approved procedure and landed straight ahead (almost certainly on the strip?), without incident. Depending on such factors as the power of the tug, weather conditions, aerodrome layout, and the features of the surrounding countryside, an aerotow cable break at 300' to 400' would no doubt prove to be much more exciting. However, none of our postees have to date reported such an incident. Gary - Original Message - From: Ben Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics I'm talking about low level aerotow cable breaks, I have no winch experience. In my 15ish years of gliding I have seen 3 LOW level real cable breaks, had the displeasure of experiencing a high level real cable break, and have seen (from the ground ) 2 tost premature releases below 200ft within a week of each other. If people say aerotow cable breaks or launch failures of any kind will never happen then politly walk away from them as they will influence your thinking and one day possibly help accelerate you death. 8-) Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- Ben, Although this thread started in a very different place, winch cable breaks (as opposed to aerotow cable breaks), -which I assume you are talking about - are a different kettle of fish entirely - for a start they occur quite routinely. Nevertheless, after 80 odd years the procedures to deal with a winch cable break are well documented, and work well if followed. Gary - Original Message - From: Ben Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Low level aerobatics What ever happened to landing straight ahead within 30 Deg of the runway centre line for a cable break simulated or not. Teaching students to whip a beast around after they have buggered around and lost airspeed is fatal in my opinion. Ben and you cant do that under 1000 feet. All bets are off if it is an emergency. You need to do what is safe and appropriate. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1665 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 7:00 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
