Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
I really think taxiing is not on and Disc brakes 90% time can work but now and then they fail. I once watched an ASH taxiing hit Brad Edwards Pawnee - no damage to glider but serious ($10k or was it $20K) Pawnee damage. ASH disc was not working correctly. That pilot had been gliding over 40 years. . A friend of mine (he is level 3) taxied a glider in near hangar and I spoke to him about not a good idea. The next 2 seater was landing at hangar also and the visiting pilot from Sydney did something similar except overshot and finished up within 3m head on to John Michelle's Maule. I said to my friend Vic you are incharge best talk to him which he did and the pilot said I saw you taxi so I thought I was allowed to do it here .Basically my friend set a bad example. The best Taxi I have ever seen was Dafydd Llewellyn with his wife Jennifer and must be 25 years ago. He made 2 turns and stopped within 2 m of hangar door. Dafydd really did apologized but it was a skill he had from his youth at Bathurst (Sydney Tech Gliding Club) Late 70s I went to use wheel brake in L13 and bike wheel cable broke. I have not taxied since where I must rely on a wheel brake. If you must taxi then do it so NOTHING is in front of you. Taxi and relying on wheel brake is just not worth ite. When I have a young person jam on wheel brake I make them get out and touch the disc - they burn their fingers so bad that they never ever taxi and rely on a wheel brake again. AND I am sick and tired of fixing wheel brakes. Then there are the Pawnee pilots who push their luck too much with a taxi and use of wheel brakes. When I learnt to fly at a tailwheel flying school the owner got 3 of us students lift the tail of Citabria above our shoulder and the tail was now so light -always remember. He then proceeded with a lecture on how not overuse Citabria and Pawnee wheel brakes . That is my 2c worth Ian McPhee On 1 March 2013 07:02, Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net wrote: It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
Ian, I've got it! A very good reminder. Don't do this unless it is a means of last resort. If it is the latter, the question is how did you get into the situation in the first place? Thanks. Gary - Original Message - From: Ian Mc Phee To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply) I really think taxiing is not on and Disc brakes 90% time can work but now and then they fail. I once watched an ASH taxiing hit Brad Edwards Pawnee - no damage to glider but serious ($10k or was it $20K) Pawnee damage. ASH disc was not working correctly. That pilot had been gliding over 40 years. . A friend of mine (he is level 3) taxied a glider in near hangar and I spoke to him about not a good idea. The next 2 seater was landing at hangar also and the visiting pilot from Sydney did something similar except overshot and finished up within 3m head on to John Michelle's Maule. I said to my friend Vic you are incharge best talk to him which he did and the pilot said I saw you taxi so I thought I was allowed to do it here .Basically my friend set a bad example. The best Taxi I have ever seen was Dafydd Llewellyn with his wife Jennifer and must be 25 years ago. He made 2 turns and stopped within 2 m of hangar door. Dafydd really did apologized but it was a skill he had from his youth at Bathurst (Sydney Tech Gliding Club) Late 70s I went to use wheel brake in L13 and bike wheel cable broke. I have not taxied since where I must rely on a wheel brake. If you must taxi then do it so NOTHING is in front of you. Taxi and relying on wheel brake is just not worth ite. When I have a young person jam on wheel brake I make them get out and touch the disc - they burn their fingers so bad that they never ever taxi and rely on a wheel brake again. AND I am sick and tired of fixing wheel brakes. Then there are the Pawnee pilots who push their luck too much with a taxi and use of wheel brakes. When I learnt to fly at a tailwheel flying school the owner got 3 of us students lift the tail of Citabria above our shoulder and the tail was now so light -always remember. He then proceeded with a lecture on how not overuse Citabria and Pawnee wheel brakes . That is my 2c worth Ian McPhee On 1 March 2013 07:02, Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net wrote: It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5650 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
Hi Ian, I think the message here is that if you don't think you can rely on a certified piece of kit then perhaps you should spend a little more time assuring yourself of its airworthiness with more diligent inspections and maintenance. This how ever does not account for the Biological element no seeing/feeling wet grass, obstructions etc and is not a replacement for Common Sense Yes things can and do break - If we applied the same reasoning to the Main Spar then no one would fly. Brakes are installed they need to be functional/serviceable - You don't always get large paddocks to land in.. John From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013 9:05 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply) I really think taxiing is not on and Disc brakes 90% time can work but now and then they fail. I once watched an ASH taxiing hit Brad Edwards Pawnee - no damage to glider but serious ($10k or was it $20K) Pawnee damage. ASH disc was not working correctly. That pilot had been gliding over 40 years. . A friend of mine (he is level 3) taxied a glider in near hangar and I spoke to him about not a good idea. The next 2 seater was landing at hangar also and the visiting pilot from Sydney did something similar except overshot and finished up within 3m head on to John Michelle's Maule. I said to my friend Vic you are incharge best talk to him which he did and the pilot said I saw you taxi so I thought I was allowed to do it here .Basically my friend set a bad example. The best Taxi I have ever seen was Dafydd Llewellyn with his wife Jennifer and must be 25 years ago. He made 2 turns and stopped within 2 m of hangar door. Dafydd really did apologized but it was a skill he had from his youth at Bathurst (Sydney Tech Gliding Club) Late 70s I went to use wheel brake in L13 and bike wheel cable broke. I have not taxied since where I must rely on a wheel brake. If you must taxi then do it so NOTHING is in front of you. Taxi and relying on wheel brake is just not worth ite. When I have a young person jam on wheel brake I make them get out and touch the disc - they burn their fingers so bad that they never ever taxi and rely on a wheel brake again. AND I am sick and tired of fixing wheel brakes. Then there are the Pawnee pilots who push their luck too much with a taxi and use of wheel brakes. When I learnt to fly at a tailwheel flying school the owner got 3 of us students lift the tail of Citabria above our shoulder and the tail was now so light -always remember. He then proceeded with a lecture on how not overuse Citabria and Pawnee wheel brakes . That is my 2c worth Ian McPhee On 1 March 2013 07:02, Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net wrote: It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
I am not surprised at the reason for the poll, it had to be something like that. I know one airfield in the UK that is huge, plenty of room to land and stop behind or level with the grid, yet the rule is you must land past the grid, and stay straight. This is a very safe rule. The danger of the experienced pilot taxying off towards other gliders, is that a less experienced pilot will be tempted to try it, and get it wrong. I was once standing leaning against a car with another pilot, when a landing glider taxied right up behind us. If he had got it wrong, he would have caught us against the car. I seem to recall letting him know what I thought of that! Pam -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Texler, Michael Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 12:32 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; gstev...@bigpond.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply) Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
I once saw a Hornet run over the wingtip of a Puchatek when a pilot tried to do this. The airfield had two grass strips with a centre bitumen strip, all 5000ft long, with no other traffic and nothing on the ground. Absolutely unnecessary then, and it would be a rare event on almost any gliding airfield when it would be necessary. In the event that the pilot felt compelled to land 'short' then their explanation would be obvious and acceptable to the Duty Instructor. If it was done for any reason other than an emergent safety issue like convenience then they would be left with no doubt about the folly of their actions. Dave From: Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply) It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply)
I once saw a Hornet run over the wingtip of a Puchatek when a pilot tried to do this. The airfield had two grass strips with a centre bitumen strip, all 5000ft long, with no other traffic and nothing on the ground except the gridded-up gliders at one end and on one grass side. Absolutely unnecessary then, and it would be a rare event on almost any gliding airfield when it would be necessary. In the event that the pilot felt compelled to land 'short' then their explanation would be obvious and acceptable to the Duty Instructor. If it was done for any reason other than an emergent safety issue like convenience then they would be left with no doubt about the folly of their actions. Dave From: Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simple question straw poll, (offlist reply) It's very common in commercial ops that I have visited in the USA but I refuse to do it Cath Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2013, at 1:02 AM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: Why the straw poll? I had the audacity to question a fellow level 2 as to why he taxied a heavy club two seater (a DG1000 with 2 POB) to within 5-10m of the back of the launching grid (there were other gliders on the grid). I was told that since I didn't have anywhere near the vast years of experience he had, 1,00's of kms of X-country he did and I wasn't as regular flier as he was that I had no right to criticise him. I was the level 2 running the day. Just trying to see how prevalent taxying up behind the grid is. Great to hear from you! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
