Re: [AusNOG] Dutton decryption bill

[Chad Kelly]

Facebook do have their own network globally and they also have Facebook 
Messenger, and a lot of the service is encrypted so this bill would very 
much apply to them.


It isn't just a website they have an entire platform ware Apps for both 
mobile and desktop can be created and the network side of it as well, 
they have an extensive network.


I think the issue with these bills is they are so dam vague and the 
government don't have a great record when it comes to anything IT related.





On 8/18/2018 4:57 PM, Robert Hudson wrote:
This bill has nothing to do with content on Facebook (or websites run 
by content creators, or even websites at all).


The Internet is nothing like broadcast mediums such as radio and 
television, and cannot be regulated in the same way.


This bill should never pass.


On Sat, 18 Aug. 2018, 4:51 pm Chad Kelly, > wrote:


On 8/18/2018 12:00 PM, ausnog-requ...@lists.ausnog.net
 wrote:

> Possible scenario:
>
> 3:00am Sunday morning, phone rings at the DC reception, is
picked up by
> security. "Hi, we've never met. This is Paul Symon of ASIS. I'm
sending
> some uniformed AFP officers over to sieze a number of servers.
This call
> constitutes a verbal technical assistance notice, and non compliance
> carries a penalty of 5 years imprisonment".
Given how most Datacentres work in this country I doubt this would
happen.
You generally need to be escorted by security into the areas ware
equipment is housed and generally requests need to be made in writing
and an appointment needs to be booked.
You can't just walk in off the street, and you also need photo ID
which
gets scanned and stored for a period of at least 12 months, when
you enter.
You can't even just walk into the DC as a customer, hell for some of
them you even need an induction before you can set foot in them.
If someone did try this the operator would just demand something in
writing and hang up the phone.
Also security don't take phone calls that would be the on call
techs  job.
The UK 10 or 12 years ago doesn't really apply to Au law and it was
Verizon, who are a US company and they are now a lot larger then they
were 11 years ago and Publicly listed.
So I would suspect security at their facilities would be improved
and a
lot of those providers are getting out of the DC space and partnering
with the likes of AWS anyway so they don't need to take
responsibility
for hardware.

This bill has come about because of Facebook and them allowing
video of
child abuse to remain on the platform.
If Facebook had been proactive and handed over the content to the AFP
and the FBI as well as all of the users details none of this would
even
be being discussed.
The Internet needs regulation just like Radio and Television.
This bill should of been passed 20 years ago in reality.

Regards Chad.

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Manager
CPK Web Services
Phone 03 5273 0246
Web www.cpkws.com.au 

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Re: [AusNOG] Dutton decryption bill

[Robert Hudson]

This bill has nothing to do with content on Facebook (or websites run by
content creators, or even websites at all).

The Internet is nothing like broadcast mediums such as radio and
television, and cannot be regulated in the same way.

This bill should never pass.


On Sat, 18 Aug. 2018, 4:51 pm Chad Kelly,  wrote:

> On 8/18/2018 12:00 PM, ausnog-requ...@lists.ausnog.net wrote:
>
> > Possible scenario:
> >
> > 3:00am Sunday morning, phone rings at the DC reception, is picked up by
> > security. "Hi, we've never met. This is Paul Symon of ASIS. I'm sending
> > some uniformed AFP officers over to sieze a number of servers. This call
> > constitutes a verbal technical assistance notice, and non compliance
> > carries a penalty of 5 years imprisonment".
> Given how most Datacentres work in this country I doubt this would happen.
> You generally need to be escorted by security into the areas ware
> equipment is housed and generally requests need to be made in writing
> and an appointment needs to be booked.
> You can't just walk in off the street, and you also need photo ID which
> gets scanned and stored for a period of at least 12 months, when you enter.
> You can't even just walk into the DC as a customer, hell for some of
> them you even need an induction before you can set foot in them.
> If someone did try this the operator would just demand something in
> writing and hang up the phone.
> Also security don't take phone calls that would be the on call techs  job.
> The UK 10 or 12 years ago doesn't really apply to Au law and it was
> Verizon, who are a US company and they are now a lot larger then they
> were 11 years ago and Publicly listed.
> So I would suspect security at their facilities would be improved and a
> lot of those providers are getting out of the DC space and partnering
> with the likes of AWS anyway so they don't need to take responsibility
> for hardware.
>
> This bill has come about because of Facebook and them allowing video of
> child abuse to remain on the platform.
> If Facebook had been proactive and handed over the content to the AFP
> and the FBI as well as all of the users details none of this would even
> be being discussed.
> The Internet needs regulation just like Radio and Television.
> This bill should of been passed 20 years ago in reality.
>
> Regards Chad.
>
> --
> Chad Kelly
> Manager
> CPK Web Services
> Phone 03 5273 0246
> Web www.cpkws.com.au
>
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Re: [AusNOG] Dutton decryption bill

[Chad Kelly]

On 8/18/2018 12:00 PM, ausnog-requ...@lists.ausnog.net wrote:


Possible scenario:

3:00am Sunday morning, phone rings at the DC reception, is picked up by
security. "Hi, we've never met. This is Paul Symon of ASIS. I'm sending
some uniformed AFP officers over to sieze a number of servers. This call
constitutes a verbal technical assistance notice, and non compliance
carries a penalty of 5 years imprisonment".

Given how most Datacentres work in this country I doubt this would happen.
You generally need to be escorted by security into the areas ware 
equipment is housed and generally requests need to be made in writing 
and an appointment needs to be booked.
You can't just walk in off the street, and you also need photo ID which 
gets scanned and stored for a period of at least 12 months, when you enter.
You can't even just walk into the DC as a customer, hell for some of 
them you even need an induction before you can set foot in them.
If someone did try this the operator would just demand something in 
writing and hang up the phone.

Also security don't take phone calls that would be the on call techs  job.
The UK 10 or 12 years ago doesn't really apply to Au law and it was 
Verizon, who are a US company and they are now a lot larger then they 
were 11 years ago and Publicly listed.
So I would suspect security at their facilities would be improved and a 
lot of those providers are getting out of the DC space and partnering 
with the likes of AWS anyway so they don't need to take responsibility 
for hardware.


This bill has come about because of Facebook and them allowing video of 
child abuse to remain on the platform.
If Facebook had been proactive and handed over the content to the AFP 
and the FBI as well as all of the users details none of this would even 
be being discussed.

The Internet needs regulation just like Radio and Television.
This bill should of been passed 20 years ago in reality.

Regards Chad.

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Chad Kelly
Manager
CPK Web Services
Phone 03 5273 0246
Web www.cpkws.com.au

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Re: [AusNOG] Dutton decryption bill

[Christian Heinrich]

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 7:09 AM, Christian Heinrich
 wrote:
> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-encryption-exclusive/u-s-government-seeks-facebook-help-to-wiretap-messenger-sources-idUSKBN1L226D

https://twitter.com/AlecMuffett/status/1030592265553629185 who also
created the TOR Hidden/Onion Service for Facebook i.e.
www.facebookcorewwwi.onion


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Christian Heinrich

http://cmlh.id.au/contact
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[AusNOG] iSeek Contact for routing issue

[Darren Moss]

Afternoon,

I'm looking for a network admin from iSeek to assist with routing issues in NSW.

Can you please touch base.

Many thanks,


Darren.
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