Re: [AusNOG] Anyone have any ancient Bay 5000/5399's lying around?
It's probably related to the fact that people being in the one place all the time is hilariously rare, and portable solutions that provide secure MFA don't have all the interoperability and other downsides. There's probably five "desk phones" in my entire organisation, and they're VOIP teleconference systems. James On Sat, 21 Sep 2019, at 16:35, Paul Wilkins wrote: > I'm kind of surprised there isn't more of this, people building their own 2 > fact > or authentication services. I'd kind of assumed the obstacle being > negotiating SMPP telco access, leaving it to Google & Microsoft and a few > others who have the market clout to actually get access. > > It's super drole that for whatever billions have been invested globally in > internet security products, having a CLID tied to a physical line offers a > level of security that's both physical and out of band, that's unattainable > with SHA/PKI/DH etc up to your eye balls. > > The advantage of CLID over SMS being you can make the process hands free and > accessible through a serial port. Offer an accessible way to authenticate > against a CLID, and the business model looks increasingly less crazy and more > something useful to do with your time. > > Kind regards > > Paul Wilkins > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 21:30, Tom Storey wrote: >> I did something similar at home a couple of years ago, using some Cisco >> routers, a bunch of BRI/PRI VIC/VWIC/NM modules and an NM-30DM. I got good >> old fasioned "56K" dialup working, but there was so much chatter from modern >> web based services that it was useless for loading websites, and even after >> I shut Chrome down it was still useless so maybe even modern OSes are too >> chatty? >> >> My setup was something like an 1800 with an external dialup modem on the AUX >> port connected to a 3800 with an FXS (or was it FXO, I keep getting those >> two confused) VIC, VWIC'd via E1 over to another 3800 with a PRI NM and >> terminating on the NM-30DM. I'd also attempted to get ISDN working, but it >> seems that the combination of ISDN WIC/V(W)IC cards I used werent capable of >> exchanging data calls. >> >> Maybe my setup wasnt 100% quite right, I got bored after some days of >> debugging failed ISDN data calls and packed it all away. Maybe I'd give it >> another shot if I could figure out how to get ISDN going. :-) >> >> >> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 00:00, Rob Thomas wrote: >>> I was reminiscing on derpbook, and realised that it would be a >>> RIDICULOUSLY insane idea to try to recreate a 56k dialup ISP in 2020. >>> So I'm going to do it. >>> >>> To further this plan, I'm hoping that someone has some old Bay >>> 5000/5399's lying around that they paid megabucks for and are now >>> worth less than nothing, that they want to donate to a good home. >>> >>> If one happens to be in Brisbane, that would be even better, because >>> I'm heading down there for Comicon this weekend, and I could pick it >>> up then! >>> >>> If not, maybe some old Cisco devices? Or whatever those TNT devices >>> were? Something that takes a PRI in one end and makes modem sounds at >>> it, basically. >>> >>> --Rob >>> ___ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> ___ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > ___ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] Anyone have any ancient Bay 5000/5399's lying around?
I'm kind of surprised there isn't more of this, people building their own 2 fact or authentication services. I'd kind of assumed the obstacle being negotiating SMPP telco access, leaving it to Google & Microsoft and a few others who have the market clout to actually get access. It's super drole that for whatever billions have been invested globally in internet security products, having a CLID tied to a physical line offers a level of security that's both physical and out of band, that's unattainable with SHA/PKI/DH etc up to your eye balls. The advantage of CLID over SMS being you can make the process hands free and accessible through a serial port. Offer an accessible way to authenticate against a CLID, and the business model looks increasingly less crazy and more something useful to do with your time. Kind regards Paul Wilkins On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 21:30, Tom Storey wrote: > I did something similar at home a couple of years ago, using some Cisco > routers, a bunch of BRI/PRI VIC/VWIC/NM modules and an NM-30DM. I got good > old fasioned "56K" dialup working, but there was so much chatter from > modern web based services that it was useless for loading websites, and > even after I shut Chrome down it was still useless so maybe even modern > OSes are too chatty? > > My setup was something like an 1800 with an external dialup modem on the > AUX port connected to a 3800 with an FXS (or was it FXO, I keep getting > those two confused) VIC, VWIC'd via E1 over to another 3800 with a PRI NM > and terminating on the NM-30DM. I'd also attempted to get ISDN working, but > it seems that the combination of ISDN WIC/V(W)IC cards I used werent > capable of exchanging data calls. > > Maybe my setup wasnt 100% quite right, I got bored after some days of > debugging failed ISDN data calls and packed it all away. Maybe I'd give it > another shot if I could figure out how to get ISDN going. :-) > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 00:00, Rob Thomas wrote: > >> I was reminiscing on derpbook, and realised that it would be a >> RIDICULOUSLY insane idea to try to recreate a 56k dialup ISP in 2020. >> So I'm going to do it. >> >> To further this plan, I'm hoping that someone has some old Bay >> 5000/5399's lying around that they paid megabucks for and are now >> worth less than nothing, that they want to donate to a good home. >> >> If one happens to be in Brisbane, that would be even better, because >> I'm heading down there for Comicon this weekend, and I could pick it >> up then! >> >> If not, maybe some old Cisco devices? Or whatever those TNT devices >> were? Something that takes a PRI in one end and makes modem sounds at >> it, basically. >> >> --Rob >> ___ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > ___ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] Anyone have any ancient Bay 5000/5399's lying around?
I did something similar at home a couple of years ago, using some Cisco routers, a bunch of BRI/PRI VIC/VWIC/NM modules and an NM-30DM. I got good old fasioned "56K" dialup working, but there was so much chatter from modern web based services that it was useless for loading websites, and even after I shut Chrome down it was still useless so maybe even modern OSes are too chatty? My setup was something like an 1800 with an external dialup modem on the AUX port connected to a 3800 with an FXS (or was it FXO, I keep getting those two confused) VIC, VWIC'd via E1 over to another 3800 with a PRI NM and terminating on the NM-30DM. I'd also attempted to get ISDN working, but it seems that the combination of ISDN WIC/V(W)IC cards I used werent capable of exchanging data calls. Maybe my setup wasnt 100% quite right, I got bored after some days of debugging failed ISDN data calls and packed it all away. Maybe I'd give it another shot if I could figure out how to get ISDN going. :-) On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 00:00, Rob Thomas wrote: > I was reminiscing on derpbook, and realised that it would be a > RIDICULOUSLY insane idea to try to recreate a 56k dialup ISP in 2020. > So I'm going to do it. > > To further this plan, I'm hoping that someone has some old Bay > 5000/5399's lying around that they paid megabucks for and are now > worth less than nothing, that they want to donate to a good home. > > If one happens to be in Brisbane, that would be even better, because > I'm heading down there for Comicon this weekend, and I could pick it > up then! > > If not, maybe some old Cisco devices? Or whatever those TNT devices > were? Something that takes a PRI in one end and makes modem sounds at > it, basically. > > --Rob > ___ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] Anyone have any ancient Bay 5000/5399's lying around?
You're lucky to get over v22bis with VoIP these days, I couldnt get my old USRbotics V.Everthing to train above 2400 baud over an EnGin service recently in a trip down nostalgia lane, despite playing with codec's etc.. The only fax service ive seen work with any degree of reliability was over a FTTP Internode Fibrephone 'UNI-V' port service, ofcourse, everyones mileage may vary :) Kind Regards, Jim. On 20-09-2019 10:21, Luke Iggleden wrote: Hey Rob, I still have a lucent max tnt packed with 480 modems, and 16 x e1s. Probably have a max 6000 as well, and a 4000 for nostalgia. I've seen some isdn to sip devices around that might be the way to go for an e1 interface. You need a digital interface to get over v34.___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] Anyone have any ancient Bay 5000/5399's lying around?
I probably should take this off list, BUT, some people may not be aware of how much better Asterisk is these days! Asterisk USED to rely on interrupt-driven timing, which was - when you had a real timing source - super reliable. However, when you DIDN'T have timing, you had to fudge it, and there were a bunch of extremely fudge-y methods used, and it was awful, and people hated it. However, Linux now has timerfd, which is an EXTREMELY accurate timing source, and you can tell it to wake up a select(2) call every period - 20msec in VoIPs case. This actually ends up being MORE accurate than interrupt driven hardware (well, sort of) because you'll never (except you can) miss a tick, and you'll never slip on audio - which breaks fax. With all those caveats and sort-ofs aside, I feel confident that I'll be able to push a 56k connection from a random ATA through Kamailio, then Freeswitch/Asterisk into a PRI and then into something that talks 56k, to then establish a PPP or SLIP connection over it and connect to the internet! The only potential thing is that I doubt VERY much that it'll work over G722 - G722 is a really REALLY good codec for voice, but I'm almost certain i'll be useless for data. > PS. you have to much time on your hands. Shh. People will give me more stuff to do! 8) --Rob On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 10:01, Matt Perkins wrote: > > Ours all went to scrap years ago. I wonder if I have a copy of the old > tftp image that it loads off. Not sure I even remember the name for it. > PS. you have to much time on your hands. > PSS what are you going to use for an E1 as Asterisk and a zap card ? I > very much doubt v34 will make it through Asterisk intact Fax barely > does. Almost all trellis QAM modulated signals I think would fall on > their ass your going to need something with a master clock like a real > pabx. > > Matt > > > On 20/9/19 9:00 am, Rob Thomas wrote: > > I was reminiscing on derpbook, and realised that it would be a > > RIDICULOUSLY insane idea to try to recreate a 56k dialup ISP in 2020. > > So I'm going to do it. > > > > To further this plan, I'm hoping that someone has some old Bay > > 5000/5399's lying around that they paid megabucks for and are now > > worth less than nothing, that they want to donate to a good home. > > > > If one happens to be in Brisbane, that would be even better, because > > I'm heading down there for Comicon this weekend, and I could pick it > > up then! > > > > If not, maybe some old Cisco devices? Or whatever those TNT devices > > were? Something that takes a PRI in one end and makes modem sounds at > > it, basically. > > > > --Rob > > ___ > > AusNOG mailing list > > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > -- > /* Matt Perkins > Direct 02 8916 8101Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. > Office 1300 133 299m...@spectrum.com.au > Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 > Spectrum Networks is a member of the Communications Alliance & TIO > */ > > ___ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] Anyone have any ancient Bay 5000/5399's lying around?
Hey Rob, I still have a lucent max tnt packed with 480 modems, and 16 x e1s. Probably have a max 6000 as well, and a 4000 for nostalgia. I’ve seen some isdn to sip devices around that might be the way to go for an e1 interface. You need a digital interface to get over v34. Cheers, Luke Iggleden Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Sep 2019, at 09:00, Rob Thomas wrote: > > I was reminiscing on derpbook, and realised that it would be a > RIDICULOUSLY insane idea to try to recreate a 56k dialup ISP in 2020. > So I'm going to do it. > > To further this plan, I'm hoping that someone has some old Bay > 5000/5399's lying around that they paid megabucks for and are now > worth less than nothing, that they want to donate to a good home. > > If one happens to be in Brisbane, that would be even better, because > I'm heading down there for Comicon this weekend, and I could pick it > up then! > > If not, maybe some old Cisco devices? Or whatever those TNT devices > were? Something that takes a PRI in one end and makes modem sounds at > it, basically. > > --Rob > ___ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] Anyone have any ancient Bay 5000/5399's lying around?
Ours all went to scrap years ago. I wonder if I have a copy of the old tftp image that it loads off. Not sure I even remember the name for it. PS. you have to much time on your hands. PSS what are you going to use for an E1 as Asterisk and a zap card ? I very much doubt v34 will make it through Asterisk intact Fax barely does. Almost all trellis QAM modulated signals I think would fall on their ass your going to need something with a master clock like a real pabx. Matt On 20/9/19 9:00 am, Rob Thomas wrote: I was reminiscing on derpbook, and realised that it would be a RIDICULOUSLY insane idea to try to recreate a 56k dialup ISP in 2020. So I'm going to do it. To further this plan, I'm hoping that someone has some old Bay 5000/5399's lying around that they paid megabucks for and are now worth less than nothing, that they want to donate to a good home. If one happens to be in Brisbane, that would be even better, because I'm heading down there for Comicon this weekend, and I could pick it up then! If not, maybe some old Cisco devices? Or whatever those TNT devices were? Something that takes a PRI in one end and makes modem sounds at it, basically. --Rob ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog -- /* Matt Perkins Direct 02 8916 8101Spectrum Networks Ptd. Ltd. Office 1300 133 299m...@spectrum.com.au Level 6, 350 George Street Sydney 2000 Spectrum Networks is a member of the Communications Alliance & TIO */ ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] Anyone have any ancient Bay 5000/5399's lying around?
I know of at least two big banks of 56k modems being used as telemetry data platforms for remote sites ... we had to get custom serial cables made for the interfaces because the things they talk to are ~30 years old and still going strong. James On Fri, 20 Sep 2019, at 09:28, Jamie Lovick wrote: > Hi, > > I wonder how many Cisco AS5200's (probably the most popular 56K Access > Server) are lying around gathering dust? They're probably way beyond even > being used as a door stop. An ACC/Ericsson Tigris would be another option, or > Lucent MAX TNT Access Server. > > Who has modems left anymore? > > Jamie > > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 09:00, Rob Thomas wrote: >> I was reminiscing on derpbook, and realised that it would be a >> RIDICULOUSLY insane idea to try to recreate a 56k dialup ISP in 2020. >> So I'm going to do it. >> >> To further this plan, I'm hoping that someone has some old Bay >> 5000/5399's lying around that they paid megabucks for and are now >> worth less than nothing, that they want to donate to a good home. >> >> If one happens to be in Brisbane, that would be even better, because >> I'm heading down there for Comicon this weekend, and I could pick it >> up then! >> >> If not, maybe some old Cisco devices? Or whatever those TNT devices >> were? Something that takes a PRI in one end and makes modem sounds at >> it, basically. >> >> --Rob >> ___ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > -- > Jamie Lovick <-> IT Consultant <-> AU <-> +61-4-1479-1681 > -> US <-> +1-8018-4-52643 (JAMIE) > -> FR <-> +33-9-7073-0340 > Doof.org -> Em <-> jalov...@doof.org > > ___ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] Anyone have any ancient Bay 5000/5399's lying around?
Hi, I wonder how many Cisco AS5200's (probably the most popular 56K Access Server) are lying around gathering dust? They're probably way beyond even being used as a door stop. An ACC/Ericsson Tigris would be another option, or Lucent MAX TNT Access Server. Who has modems left anymore? Jamie On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 09:00, Rob Thomas wrote: > I was reminiscing on derpbook, and realised that it would be a > RIDICULOUSLY insane idea to try to recreate a 56k dialup ISP in 2020. > So I'm going to do it. > > To further this plan, I'm hoping that someone has some old Bay > 5000/5399's lying around that they paid megabucks for and are now > worth less than nothing, that they want to donate to a good home. > > If one happens to be in Brisbane, that would be even better, because > I'm heading down there for Comicon this weekend, and I could pick it > up then! > > If not, maybe some old Cisco devices? Or whatever those TNT devices > were? Something that takes a PRI in one end and makes modem sounds at > it, basically. > > --Rob > ___ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > -- Jamie Lovick <-> IT Consultant <-> AU <-> +61-4-1479-1681 -> US <-> +1-8018-4-52643 (JAMIE) -> FR <-> +33-9-7073-0340 Doof.org-> Em <-> jalov...@doof.org ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
