Minutes of the 20th June 2022 Teleconference

[Andrew Josey via austin-group-l at The Open Group]

All
Enclosed are the Monday meeting minutes
regards
Andrew
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Minutes of the 20th June 2022 TeleconferenceAustin-1230 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group.   22nd June 2022

Attendees:
Nick Stoughton, Logitech/USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
Andrew Josey, The Open Group (Partial)
Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev.
Geoff Clare, The Open Group
Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR
Eric Ackermann, HPI, University of Potsdam


* General news

This was a call dedicated to gettext discussions. This session also extended to 
general bugs.

* Outstanding actions
The following action is still open.
AI: Andrew to remind the ISO Secretariat of our plan to submit draft 3
for ISO balloting.


* Current Business

Bug 1122: POSIX should include gettext() and friends

The gettext draft in the etherpad is at
https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_draft (most current)

The next steps will be to prepare a single pdf of the current proposal.

Bug 1590: requirement for pr on an empty file doesn't match implementations 
Re-opened after meeting
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1590

This was re-opened after the meeting.


Bug 1589: blank class definition should disallow some characters Accepted
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1589

This item is tagged for TC3-2008.


Bug 1588: Any arbitrary leading whitespace should be stripped before a here-doc 
delimiter Rejected
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1588

Such change, if adopted, would possibly break countless of existing scripts.
This was therefore rejected.

Next Steps
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The next calls are on:
Thu 2022-06-23 (general bugs) 
Thu 2022-06-27 (gettext/general bugs) 

The calls are for 90 minutes


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Bugs are at:
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An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as 
below:

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd

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Re: POSIX gettext(): lifetime of returned values

[Bruno Haible via austin-group-l at The Open Group]

Geoff Clare wrote:
> > I hope this explains it: how gettext() can be implemented in a reasonable
> > way, without limiting the use of uselocale().
> 
> In today's teleconference we changed the etherpad text to require that
> uselocale() does not invalidate the returned string.

That's great! Thank you.

Bruno

Re: [1003.1(2016/18)/Issue7+TC2 0001538]: what -s is poorly described, uses the word "quit"

[Geoff Clare via austin-group-l at The Open Group]

Quentin Rameau wrote, on 21 Jun 2022:
> 
> > This might seem an unimportant detail, but applications would
> > experience different behavior if a file operand names a FIFO special
> > file and what waited for an end-of-file condition rather than
> > closing the file straight away. 
> 
> Wouldn't that rather be “if a file operand *named* a FIFO special file
> and what waited for an end-of-file condition”?

Now that you point it out, that does seem a bit odd.  I have changed
it to say "named".

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Geoff Clare 
The Open Group, Apex Plaza, Forbury Road, Reading, RG1 1AX, England