Re: [Autogen-users] stanza processing, i18n, ...

2010-12-29 Thread Bruce Korb
On 12/29/10 15:51, Harlan Stenn wrote:
 Remember, this stuff is still in flux.  I am rewriting it
 as doc-sections and each section describes its format:

 doc-section = {
   ds-type   = SEE ALSO; // etc.
   ds-format = man; // texi, mdoc, etc.
   ds-text   = - _EOF_
   whatever, including .man formatting tags
   _EOF_;
 };
 
 I think I really like that idea, and it would be OK to have the same
 ds-type in a different stanza with a different ds-format, right?  I
 mention this because there may still be times when the source
 ds-format does not translate to a target format the way we want, and
 the easy fix for that would be to also provide the stanza that is
 already in the desired format.

H.  What you are asking for is multiple doc-sections that
have a ds-type of SEE ALSO (for example) and having some way
to distinguish them, depending upon output format. Sort-of a
bypass output pattern type of thing:

   ds-ignore = pod, mdoc;

Of course that can be done, but:

 Do you have a guess at the timeline for this?  I'm ready to start
 testing and using it...

My priority right now is finding employment.  Sorry.
You can find the beginnings of it by searching for
doc-section in the autoopts/tpl directory of the pre
releases.

 The preferred input is going to be that which has sufficient
 range of expressiveness to be able to be translated into the
 other forms.
 
 That would be nice, but I know I cannot force that on at least some of
 my users.  In this case, reality will bite me.

It is a trade off between maintaining multiple copies of
the same basic text vs. the hassle of figuring out a canonical
form that can be directly converted into all the desired
output forms.  If someone prefers maintaining multiple copies
then that means they prefer maintaining multiple copies.

 I think that means texi and certainly would not
 be plain text.  mdoc and man seem too limited and I am not familiar
 with pod, though these may be sufficient given the limited
 expressiveness needed for usage documentation.
 
 I pretty much (and possibly completely) agree.  I do believe that mdoc
 may be rich enough.  Kapila may know more about this.
 
 But again, I am forced to let certain users dictacte the tag format
 they want to use, and I must allow them that.  If this user decides to
 cut/paste their text using html tags, that's their choice.  What I will
 do, after the fact, is take that stanza and add in another copy that
 will be in .mdoc or .texi (most likely, it depends) and then we'll all
 be happy.

Make an edict:
   All documentation shall be in mdoc format.

   If you are not familiar with mdoc format,
   that is fine.  We'll take your initial documentation
   and convert it to canonical form and then emit the
   needed documentation. The official source shall be mdoc.

 Where this is coming from on my end is the detail stanza, as I'm
 hoping that we can get things like boldface and underlining working
 there, but to do that easily means translating from some tag format to
 plain text.

Ah, yes, the extra blurb at the end of the usage text output.
It does need some markup capabilities and the markup needs to
get stripped for usage output and it must not require markup.
I am open to suggestions from anyone.  :)

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[Autogen-users] stanza processing, i18n, ...

2010-12-27 Thread Harlan Stenn
The following ramble is not fully thought-out.

I was thinking about how I'd like to be able to support i18n of our
docs, specifically looking toward the stanzas in a .def file.

While doing this, I also was again reminded that with Kapila's recent
work we can now expect to see things like 'prog-man-descrip' or
'prog-mdoc-descrip'.

I was noting that I'd like the 'detail' stanza to have certain tags get
expanded (things like the program name, etc).

Right now, the detail stanza is plain inhaled text and it is not
post-processed.

Given that there are a number of templates that share stanzas, and
that we need and now have the ability to translate tags from one
format to another, I'm thinking that it would be Swell if there were
some internal autogen functions and variables that would help out
template writers, such as:

- a list of the preferred tag types, defaulting to, say:

texi mdoc pod man html text

- a function a la: expandStanza(stanzaName, tagtype)

that would mean something like:

 Scan the symbol table looking for 'stanzaName-tagtype'.
 If it is there, give it to me unmodified.
 If it is not there, start searching first for stanzaName-texi, then
 stanzaName-mdoc, ... (per the preferred tag type list mentioned above)
 and as soon as you find the first one use the translation stuff
 Kapila wrote to convert it to the desired tagtype.

The other reason I like this is that it makes it much easier to support
new tag types and have them become automatically supported in existing
.tpl files.

I'm suggesting this because I do not want to have to maintain multiple
instances of a given stanza (for different output formats) unless I
absolutely have to.

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